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Who's Next for Randy Couture?

Randy-couture-2_mediumIt's pretty obvious Randy Couture is not retiring.  He said as much after the fight, and it looks like he will continue to fight under his new contract.  I expect him to actually fight again somewhat soon instead of taking a long layoff, perhaps by early 2010.  Long layoffs don't make sense when you're 46 years old.  

The UFC needs to be careful in how they promote Couture. Nobody in the sport delivers dramatic fights as regularly as Couture, but the magic will disappear if fans no longer believe in him.  Fans want to see him in fights he has a good chance to win, and as long as they can believe and Couture still wants to fight, then there's no harm in allowing him to continue.  That being said, here are a few options.

1.  Rich Franklin at light heavyweight:  Franklin has a tough fight at UFC 103.  If he beats Vitor Belfort, a fight with Randy would make for a great co-main event on a big show, or yet another strong main event for a show like UFC 102. Franklin has better striking than Couture, but he is susceptible to takedowns in the clinch and will not be as strong as Randy.  Randy was beaten standing by Nogueira, but he still landed some nice shots, shots that I think have enough power to at least make Franklin think twice about being overly aggressive.  I think the line on this fight would be about even, slightly favoring Franklin, so I think it is a good fight.  The winner would take a step toward a title shot at 205.

2.  Wanderlei Silva at light heavyweight:  Wanderlei Silva has yet to accept a new fight since his loss to Rich Franklin at UFC 99.  He was noticeably slower in that fight, but he still put up a good effort in defeat.  This is one of those Pride vs. UFC dream matches that may be a few years too late, but since the two are probably at similar points in their career trajectories it still makes a lot of sense.  Wanderlei has the power to finish Couture, but probably doesn't have the wrestling ability to keep it standing the whole fight.  This would probably be another one where morons would claim it's a fight nobody wants to see, and then on fight night the crowd would be going insane and they'd deliver an epic match.  

3.  Mirko CroCop at heavyweight:  Here is another dream match a few years too late, but it's still a fight a lot of fans would like to see.  It came so close to happening a few years ago, but Gabriel Gonzaga stopped it.  I believe Couture would have won in 2007, but it could be a different story now.  Mirko looked slow at UFC 99, but he had power in his hands and was no longer afraid to throw.  He was also a lot bigger, which could pose problems for Randy.  I personally think Randy should be fighting at 205 though, which makes this less than ideal.

4.  Dan Henderson at light heavyweight:  This is a weird one that I find very unlikely given their history, but Randy has said he has no problem fighting training partners.  There's a lot of backstory to tell, and it would be interesting to see two greco legends go at it.  At this stage it's a very tough fight for Randy, but Henderson has been taken down by much lesser wrestlers than Randy.

5.  Shogun Rua at light heavyweight:  If Shogun loses to Machida as most experts predict, this could be a solid fight for early 2010.  It's another Pride vs. UFC dream match.  Shogun has the advantage standing, but Randy is a lot stronger physically, and may be able to muscle him around the ring.  It's probably the weakest drawing fight of the mix, but I still find it intriguing.  It would be a good test for Shogun too, because Machida is probably going to run a clinic on him like he does to everyone else.

I should note that I'm shocked to see people suggesting he should fight Mark Coleman or Tito Ortiz next.  The entire reason Couture is a draw in the sport is the miracle story of this old guy beating younger fighters.  It's basic marketing 101 not to ruin that by putting him in with another old guy and jeopardizing his image.  There's nothing for Randy to gain in either fight at this point, both would be counterproductive.

I believe Randy is moving to light heavyweight.  He was dwarfed by Minotauro, and given the effects age has had on his chin and strength, he shouldn't be fighting guys significantly bigger than him.  At the same time, I think calls for fights with Anderson Silva or Lyoto Machida are very premature.  If Randy comes out and beats two of the above fighters in dominant fashion, then we can start talking about those fights, but right now I think there are some real questions about Randy's chin, and I don't think sending him in to fight Anderson Silva is the responsible way to find answers to those questions.

Once again, Couture has lost two fights at heavyweight and is probably on his way back to light heavyweight.  And once again, he will be counted out and deemed fit for retirement.  Can he pull any more miracles at his advanced age?  I think there is good reason for skepticism, but I also think he showed last night that he can at least compete a top 5 heavyweight in the world, and as long as that's the case I think he deserves the benefit of the doubt.

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just retire already…

by kamachi on Aug 31, 2009 10:35 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

You know what’d be interesting? Couture vs. Jon Jones. Jones’ reach and more versatile striking would be a problem, but the Greco matchup would be really interesting. Who knows, maybe Randy’s experience would allow him to negate Jones’ flashy but unpolished standup.

I don’t think a Wandy fight is all that appealing, considering they’re both coming off losses, and that Wanderlei’s never been a great wrestler.

by gzl5000 on Aug 31, 2009 10:39 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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by thetakeover on Aug 31, 2009 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jones striking technique is rather poor, so I don’t think he would beat up Randy.

by dancingChicken on Aug 31, 2009 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

jones striking is rather poor? LOL as readers online we cant pick up a sense of sarcasm but im just going to take that as a complete joke. i remember seeing the kids fight clips on hdnet inside mma with bas n kenny and thinking damn this kids striking is what is going to get him into the UFC. now im no mind reader but ha where is he now? someone needs to show you all his fights prior to being in the ufc if you didnt already catch his awesome stand up performance against bonnar. i mean really spinning back elbow that actually landed and almost ended bonnars night was SICK

by buttters on Aug 31, 2009 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

His striking is technically very poor. He is unorthodox and unpredictable, but that doesn’t prevent him from making a lot of mistakes with his strikes.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Aug 31, 2009 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

His elbows and such are flashy, but his defensive boxing needs serious work. He can away with getting tagged by guys like Jake O’Brian, but it’s going to get him in trouble if he doesn’t improve it.

by Zack Gobie on Aug 31, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He’s flashy, not technical. Watch the fight with Gusmao. He couldn’t throw proper punch, at times he looked like 12 year old brawling kid, who throws arm punches. Even Rogan points out his lack technique. He learns fast, but once he will face a good striker, things could get ugly.

by dancingChicken on Sep 1, 2009 4:06 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

CropCop would be great. Last Saturday was a “Pride v UFC” dream match on some level, and I would love to see more of these matchups so I can finally get this out of my system.

by judonerd on Aug 31, 2009 10:43 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

He should fight Tito. LHW or HW, doesn’t matter. Lets see if the old man still has it.

by szucconi on Aug 31, 2009 10:44 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The bigger question would be whether Tito has it. He just started training again after taking a year off.

by zeke21 on Aug 31, 2009 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, thats a good point. His twitter last week said he was sparring for the first time in A YEAR AND A HALF. Thats a long time to knock the dust off. Randy retired, but he started a gym and stayed active as a trainer. Tito has a lot to prove to me vs. Coleman.

by szucconi on Aug 31, 2009 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’d rather see Anderson Silva fight Cro Cop.

Randy vs. Cain Velasquez would be interesting.

by MMAEruption on Aug 31, 2009 10:54 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Randy versus
1. Franklin – yeah
2. Wanderlei – no.
3. Mirko – yeah
4. Dan Henderson – WOW, that’s really interesting.
5. Shogun – yeah.

I really don’t think that Machida will completely dominate Shogun, they should provide a truly interesting match. I personally don’t think a Shogun victory would be shocking. We never really seen anybody truly hit Lyoto Machida with the exception of Soukoudjo. Hmmm . . .

Randy vs. Anderson Silva is seriously premature. One, we all know that Couture will not stand with Silva. Silva may prove way too much on the ground for Randy Couture. Where Noguiera was unable to finish Couture, Silva will more than likely do so in less than two rounds. This fight would be huge, but just a show to entertain fans and satisfy both fighters’s lust for a interesting and marketable challenge.

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by VeeisAnimated on Aug 31, 2009 10:58 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

a loooong time ago i saw a youtube interview where the guy interviewing asked dan if he would ever fight randy and he said NO WAY. friends, old training partners, he even said randy is like a part of my family. i couldnt see it happening but on another note i could still see anderson vs lyoto. so maybe im dreaming but then again if the money is right im sure anyone would fight anybody. by the way i think that fight would be extremely entertaining but i think randy would just have hendo by sheer size and experience

by buttters on Aug 31, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Give him Wanderlei as a tuneup fight

Hendo would kill him. Franklin would knock him out. And a Mirko kick to the dome would be like raping Santa Claus.

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by thetakeover on Aug 31, 2009 11:00 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

When was the last time Mirko knocked someone out with that head kick?

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by ufc4 on Aug 31, 2009 11:03 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

definately rec’d

by amadeus on Aug 31, 2009 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Randy vs Wand would be another potential “fight of the year”. Both fighters are fan favs and put their all into fights. To me it sounds like a recipe for an epic battle.

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by ANance on Aug 31, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

or...

Wandy comes in guns blazing and KO’s randy in a half minute, or Couture GNPs Wandy for 3 rnds.

by amadeus on Aug 31, 2009 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

His “guns blazing” are not packing as much punch as they once were. Knocking out Jardine is his only recent KO, and we all know how his chin is. People also said he would GNP Nog.

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by ANance on Aug 31, 2009 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You say Coleman and Tito would "jeopardize his image"...

… which I don’t really understand, even though yes, they are older. But Wand, Hendo, and CroCop aren’t exactly young either. I don’t think Randy’s image will be ruined by fighting anyone, even cans. For God’s sake, he is STILL getting more positive press than the man who just dominated him for 15 minutes. People will still gush about him endlessly, no matter what.

by TDITZ on Aug 31, 2009 11:02 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

That’s what I was thinking, isn’t Tito
younger than two or three of the guys listed?

Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.

by ufc4 on Aug 31, 2009 11:05 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Randy spanked Tito a long time ago. Tito is “older” because most casual fans have seen him fighting for years and not so much the others.

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by iiowyn on Aug 31, 2009 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tito Ortiz and Anderson Silva are both 34 years old.

Randy Couture started his career at the age of 34.

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by VeeisAnimated on Aug 31, 2009 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thank you

I was just thinking the same thing.

by zeroword on Aug 31, 2009 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd like to see Couture fight Frank Mir

They’re both coming off losses and I think they would make a good matchup.

by Patrick79x on Aug 31, 2009 11:08 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree, first thing that struck me after the match, both have been in the menage a troi regarding interim belts and both lost to Brock. Both have name recog and are legit HW’s and no shame in a loss for Couture should he lose since Mir beat Nog (allthough a shell of him).

by jvxta on Aug 31, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Couture could be used

the way Liddell was unintentionally used at the end of his career – to promote up and coming fighters. It may seem disrespectful, but put him in against challengers to the title so they get lots of eyeballs on them. If Couture wins, he’s back on track, but if the challenger wins then the UFC has another marketable fighter.

by rzor on Aug 31, 2009 11:08 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i disagree

I think that he should just be used for superfights, along with guys who always bring it but probably won’t be in title contention again.

I’d rather not see Franklin in a fight that does nothing for his title status, because he always seems to get screwed.

Couture vs. Wand is a great matchup. If Belfort was willing to move to LHW that could be an intriguing 3rd matchup.

Hell, I’d love to even see Liddell vs. Couture.. I’m surprised noone has mentioned that

by amadeus on Aug 31, 2009 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Randy was cornering Belfort and they have common trainer in Shawn Tompkins so I don’t think this fight would happen.

by dancingChicken on Aug 31, 2009 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

forgot that belfort trained with him… belfort would be too quick nowadays anyways

by amadeus on Aug 31, 2009 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Anderson Silva > Rich Franklin < Lyoto Machida
Rich Franklin knows that he doesn’t have any title status or contention unless Machida loses his title. He has already frankly stated that no one is interested in a 3rd fight against Anderson Silva AND he has already stated that he finds Machida’s style boring and doesn’t really care to fight him. He only has 3 – 4(?) fights lef t on his contract and I believe he plans on retiring after that. And fighting at 185 – 195 puts him in an awkward position since the last 205 fight he had was his win against Matt Hamill.

There’s a reason why no one has mentioned that fight. I don’t think Liddell or Couture would care to fight again.

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by VeeisAnimated on Aug 31, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Those are all pretty good choices, though I’d have to put Cro Cop/Couture at the top of my list.

"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito Ortiz on Vitor Belfort at Affliction:DOR

by Rundownloser on Aug 31, 2009 11:18 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Matt Hamill? Brandon Vera? Not huge-selling fights, but intriguing at LHW. Not sure if Randy wants to take those sort of “lower-tier” fights.

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by Beer Monster on Aug 31, 2009 11:22 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i'd rather

Couture be used with fighters who can’t compete in the title picture anymore, then damaging up and comers if he beats them

by amadeus on Aug 31, 2009 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Vera vs Randy would only sell in the Philippines… I don’t think most fans would care to see that..

Although i honestly would like to see that fight.

by Anton Tabuena on Aug 31, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Randy would be KO’s by every guys here.

His chin can’t take it anymore.

by Meshuggeth on Aug 31, 2009 11:27 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I disagree...

Randy took some big shots from Nog and didn’t get finished. It’s def not where it was a few years back, but he is not in Liddell’s boat either.

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by ANance on Aug 31, 2009 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Some big shots, yes...

but he was rocked twice by a guy who isn’t exactly known for the KO power in his hands.

by ludakrish on Aug 31, 2009 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is true...

But to me it doesn’t warrant saying every guy on the list will KO Randy.

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by ANance on Aug 31, 2009 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not arguing that point

What I’m saying is that refuting Meshuggeth’s point by using Nog’s punching isn’t the best example .

by ludakrish on Aug 31, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Randy at LHW makes most sense… but I think it’s movies > training for Randy going forward.

by Nick Thomas on Aug 31, 2009 11:29 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

which is a shame

because he might be the worst actor of all time. I rewatched the all access couture on demand of before his fight with Lesnar, and g-damn does he make everything he says feel scripted

by amadeus on Aug 31, 2009 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He was ok in redbelt, nt great but adequate

by judonerd on Aug 31, 2009 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, that was "Never Back Down"

Redbelt had the Operative from “Serenity,” Chiwitel Ejiofor (I will never ever say or spell his name correctly and I am too lazy to IMDB it right now)

by woomikee on Aug 31, 2009 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe a Randy/ Gonzaga rematch? I think GG could take him this time

by amadeus on Aug 31, 2009 11:31 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Somebody suggested a fight with Rampage on another site I go to, but I don’t know if I want to see Randy get KO’d in the 1st round.

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by The Legend on Aug 31, 2009 11:36 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

He was dwarfed by Minotauro,

Puhleez….

by ludakrish on Aug 31, 2009 11:40 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

re-watch the fight… it was like a 155lber fighting a 185lber and the weight difference wasnt even that much.

by mmalogic on Aug 31, 2009 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What is that even supposed to mean?

You seem to have contradicted yourself. Couture was dwarfed by Lesnar, Sylvia and Gonzaga. Not Minotauro.

by ludakrish on Aug 31, 2009 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It means by the way they looked, you woulda thought there was a bigger weight difference than there was.

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by ANance on Aug 31, 2009 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It means he’s too old to be fighting guys that much bigger than him now.

He was 220lbs.

The flip side of the coin is at this age how will he handle the weight cut… because thats also a big factor.

SO you have to weigh the 2 negatives. Being smaller or cutting weight the weight to fight guys your own size…. At this age both are big factors but I’d go with the latter.

by mmalogic on Aug 31, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Couture came in 220 and Minotauro 230. I’m pretty sure neither of them cut weight before the fight because neither had to, so I don’t see how size was even a factor. If you go by percentages, it’s less than 5.

by ludakrish on Aug 31, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

UFC 110: Legends

Chuck vs. Randy at 210
Ortiz vs. Wandy
Hughes vs. Trigg 3
Cro Cop vs. Nog

by amadeus on Aug 31, 2009 11:41 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

UFC 110: Losers Move to Del Boca Vista

Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.

by ufc4 on Aug 31, 2009 12:09 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

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by woooburn on Aug 31, 2009 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

We’ve seen Chuck vs. Randy three times. At this rate they’ll be fighting in an old age home.

UFC 110: Legends
Randy vs. Wandy
Cro-Cop vs. Chuck (at 210)
Ortiz vs. Lil Nog
Serra vs. Trigg

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by thetakeover on Aug 31, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not to be snide, but given his contract and his career trajectory, why the hell would Randy even consider fights with Jon Jones, Brandon Vera, Gabriel Gonzaga? The UFC would be insane to waste his star power like that.

As far as Tito goes…it has nothing to do with actual age, it’s more perception. Fans perceive a guy like Carwin as new and young even though he’s not that young, some with Lesnar. Tito’s been around the block, the first fight settled everything, it was a full 25 minutes of dominance. There’s nothing to be gained there.

by Michael Rome on Aug 31, 2009 11:42 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

*same with Lesnar.

by Michael Rome on Aug 31, 2009 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

I have zero desire to see Randy fight Brock again, so I am kinda glad he didn’t win against Nog.

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by ANance on Aug 31, 2009 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

exactly. I might be in the minority of fans, but i don’t really care about people getting set up for the title, especially with some of the older guys. I’d rather see superfights, and Randy has nothing to gain from any of those. However, i do think a rematch vs. Gonzaga could be interesting, but since Gonzaga is about 15 lbs more of solid muscle, i think it would be a bad night for randy

by amadeus on Aug 31, 2009 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Man

Nobody should write this guy off, Randy would be an awesome card booster, He is still top at his age, he may not be in title contention but I would be excited to see him fight at least six guys just for the fact of watching him fight. He never gives up and doesnt bitch when he loses.. This guy is a poster boy for the ufc, and in all rights finishes his career off here.. I would hate to see the ufc throw some young guys at him, because NO WAY should Randy be a gatekeeper.. Mir, Crocop, Henderson, Wandy, Chuck, Dos santoes, man there are a ton of great fights to co a main card… Props to both those guys for a damn good fight.

by gecko071980 on Aug 31, 2009 11:43 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I’m sure I will catch Hell for this, but here we go…

While he is a legend, Randy has got to be one of the most overrated fighters out there. He is 16-10. Of course many of those have been BIG fights, but he has hardly been dominant. Much of this has to do with popularity and what he has done at an advanced age. I personally don’t care about his age, if you are going to get in there with guys younger than you, I expect you to win, not just put on a show. Yeah, he is great and all that, I just don’t consider him to be on the level of greatness with guys like Fedor. If he wasn’t such a fan favorite, he would never have been given so many big fights. Don’t get me wrong, I understand why he was, but what other fighter with that type of record would be given so many title shots?

As for the future, I agree that he should fight as long as he wants, but probably be matched up with fighters in similar circumstances, Wandy, CC, etc.. I don’t want to see Silva destroy him, or Machida make him look silly. In my perfect world, he would fight Chuck and they both retire after the fight in the octagon.

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by BJJDenver on Aug 31, 2009 11:50 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

he is who he is because of how he acts and just the true heart you see him fight with.. plain and simple. thats why people love him, because if it looks impossible, he usually finds a way.

by gecko071980 on Aug 31, 2009 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree completely, and that is a lot of what I like about him as well. I don’t dislike him and I am always down to watch him fight. I’m not saying he isn’t great, just not the dominant fighter that many of his fans make him out to be, I could easily sit here and write a laundry list of all the great things about him, but I just want to kind of take a different perspective.

I understand why people love him, but sitting in a crowded venue, watching 102, I was just dumbfounded by the blind cheering, when Nog was pretty much dominating him (at times, not the whole fight).

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by BJJDenver on Aug 31, 2009 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

disagree bigtime

when 3/5s of his fights have been for titles, its hard not to lose some of those. Especially because he competed with the best of the best in 2 divisions.

by amadeus on Aug 31, 2009 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But he didn’t just lose some of them, he lost a lot of them. I agree with BJJDenver, Randy is definitely a legend but a lot of people act like the guy in unbeatable- like those who
think he’s never lost via submission.

Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.

by ufc4 on Aug 31, 2009 12:13 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

On a related note, I think his submission defense question was answered.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Aug 31, 2009 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The thing is Couture could fight the “washed up” circuit after he loses to Machida.

After one fight Couture will get a title shot. So the question is who should that be?

Besides Franklin the only other choice would be Tito but then you eliminate another major draw in a title fight that way. With Franklin, atleast if he wins he gains brand equity from that mega fight. Tito already has the equity.

Out of the Zuffa “senior citizens” there are only 3 who will be on the run for the title: Franklin, Couture, Tito. And Franklin vs Machida is the least compelling of the 3.

So I go with Couture vs Franklin.

After Tito beats coleman he’ll have one more fight before the title match. Rashad or Forrest?

Once Franklin, Tito and Couture are out of title contention then they can go into “showcase” fights with the other guys like Chuck, Forrest, Wand,…

Chuck vs Franklin. Chuck vs Forrest.
Couture vs Wand
Tito vs Franklin, Tito vs Wand, Tito vs Couture 2, tito vs couture 3?
chuck vs wand 2, chuck vs wand 3?

and sequels to other fights listed here.

The “senior citizen” circuit. Pretty soon Dan henderson will enter the circuit as other guys leave.

Then they will each be given a “ken shamrock vs Rich Franklin” fight to start their retirement and pass the torch.

by mmalogic on Aug 31, 2009 12:04 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

Another Important question is who’s next for NOG?

Another step in the evolution of the UFC is building up contenders better. There is enough depth now in all the divisions to have these guys enter title fights with alot more steam.

For example if Anderson fought Nate or Dan now it would be ok but there would be alot more steam If Anderson fought the winner of Dan vs Nate.

Cain is next in line so Mike Rome suggested Cain vs Nog instead of Cain vs Ben Rothwell. I agree 100%.

The steam for the title fight of Brock vs the winner of Cain vs Nog will be alot bigger then.

If Nog vs Cain cant be worked out… I think then you have to do Nog vs Mir and get Kongo a different opponent. If Mir wins then you can do Mir vs Kongo as the next eliminator for the title shot. If Nog wins then he gets the next title shot.

So Ideally the line to the champ would be:

1. Carwin
2. winner of Cain vs Nog
3. winner of Mir vs Kongo (if kongo wins). If Mir wins:
    a. Mir vs the winner of Dos Santos vs Crocop.

or

1. Carwin
2. winner of Cain vs Rothwell (if cain wins)
3. winner of Mir vs Nog
4. winner of kongo vs the winner of dos santos vs crocop.

What are your thoughts for Nog’s next fight?

by mmalogic on Aug 31, 2009 12:41 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Ehh

I think Nog should get the winner of Carwin/Lesnar. That’s the biggest fight out there for him. If he lost that fight…then he could re-match Mir…if Mir beat Kongo….and if Mir beat Nogueira…then they could do Lesnar/Mir 3 provided Lesnar beats Carwin.

I know Nog looked great at UFC 102…but he has a ton of mileage on him…he just won very impressively against the sports most beloved fighter in his hometown…not to mention the storyline for this fight would be can Nogueira withstand the pounding from Lesnar(if Lesnar wins) and squeak out a win….which is basically the story of his whole career…I think fight is more intriguing than anything else available right now…no sense in risking that with letting Nogueira take another fight. They need to capitalize off of Nogueira now.

Basically…Nogueira’s one of my favorite fighters ever…so give him the damn title shot!

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by Kelvin Hunt on Aug 31, 2009 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

1. Crocop- this makes the most sense, they are both respective legends in the sport, one from Pride the other from the UFC. It would be striker vs grappler, a classic matchup. I would love to see Randy dodging Crocop’s highkicks with his trademark head movement!

2. Wandy- another striker vs. grappler fight, would be awesome, another Pride vs. UFC fight that HAS to happen. If this fight doesn’t happen, what was the point of the PRIDE aquistition?

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by Bandaka on Aug 31, 2009 1:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Agree with you there mare , Randy vs Cro Cop is a good match up . Cro Cop doesn’t hit as hard as he used to and generally isn’t what he used to be , and neither is Randy . That’s why I think it’s a good matchup…

by JoelMan on Aug 31, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Couture vs Rich Franklin, please.

by grein on Aug 31, 2009 4:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Couture needs to be fighting at 205 from now on his days as a HW are done, Franklin/Wand/Hendo any of those fights would be interesting to watch.

by Raker on Aug 31, 2009 4:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

205

I dont want to see Randy have to cut weight. Im sure he says he can, but dropping takes a lot out of you, and at his age you dont recover the same.

Dont get down on Forrest, no one has moves like Anderson Silva.

by ryanwk628 on Aug 31, 2009 4:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Randy could probably get down to 210 just by dieting for a few weeks, it’s not like it’s a huge cut for him.

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by ufc4 on Aug 31, 2009 5:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Probably Not

Silva b/c their close friends as are Hendo and Randy. Franklin…if he doesn’t get hurt against Belfort. Rua v. Randy would just be lame

by drudog1715 on Aug 31, 2009 7:46 PM EDT via mobile reply actions   0 recs

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