New York Times Covers Fedor Emeliananko Dissing the UFC
by Kid Nate on Aug 3, 2009 11:36 PM EDT
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From the Old Gray Lady:
Man Considered World’s Top Fighter Rejects His Sport’s Top Brand
By R.M. SCHNEIDERMAN New York Times
Fedor Emelianenko, a champion mixed martial arts fighter from Russia, signed a three-fight deal Monday with Strikeforce, once again depriving the Ultimate Fighting Championship of the chance to lay claim to the man who is widely considered the best mixed martial arts fighter in the world.
The U.F.C. has nearly all of the world’s best professional mixed martial arts fighters, but Emelianenko, a heavyweight, remains elusive.
...In March, Strikeforce signed a multiyear television deal with Showtime. Before the deal, Coker said, Strikeforce was largely a regional-based live event promotion. But the addition of Emelianenko gives it a chance to become the No. 2 mixed martial arts brand in the world, behind the U.F.C.
They also cover the negotiations:
The U.F.C. tried and failed to sign Emelianenko once before, two years ago. It would not disclose how much money it offered him, but in an e-mail message Monday, the U.F.C.’s president, Dana White, expressed frustration in dealing with Emelianenko and his management.
"He turns down a huge deal and the opportunity to face the best in the world to fight nobodies," White said.
Strikeforce has some highly acclaimed heavyweights, but the U.F.C. has a deeper talent pool.
"As far as heavyweights in the world go, Fedor’s the man," said Scott Coker, the chief executive of Strikeforce.
At 6 feet and 235 pounds, Emelianenko (30-1) is relatively undersized for a heavyweight, but has not lost a fight in nine years. Recently, however, some fans and mixed martial arts analysts have criticized the caliber of his opponents. Such criticism is likely to persist.
The important thing to think about when reading NY Times coverage of an issue is that the Times is disproportionately influential media outlet that tells other media outlets how to cover things.
Fedor's ability to generate coverage in the paper of record is a leading indicator of his promotability.
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I’m actually surprised they didn’t call Fedor “Mr. Emelianenko” myself…
by madiq on Aug 4, 2009 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The WSJ would have
I don’t think they’re actually going to let him kill me... And if he does kills me, book sales will really go up. Boom…win-win, bitch.- Forrest Griffin on Anderson Silva
by ufc4 on Aug 4, 2009 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s hilarious in the WSJ sports coverage. They are talking about Jeter and Arond and its Mr. Rodriguez.
by SES 84 on Aug 4, 2009 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
M1 must of made a deal with the New York Times id expect to see M1/New York Times in the coming paper
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by pitbull187 on Aug 4, 2009 5:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
More like the people in NY who do not like the UFC/Fertittas have access to media like this.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Aug 4, 2009 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fedor’s ability to generate coverage in the paper of record is a leading indicator of his promotability.
I don’t know, if he was such a big deal why wasn’t this a story the first time he spurned them and signed with Affliction?
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by ufc4 on Aug 3, 2009 11:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
cause they've gotten bigger and carried him along with them
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by Kid Nate on Aug 3, 2009 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right
So this story is really about the UFC more than Fedor
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by ufc4 on Aug 4, 2009 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Yep
I don’t think this has ANYTHING to do with Fedors supposed marketability and everything to do with the UFC.
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by funnytiger on Aug 4, 2009 7:12 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Bingo.. look at the headline… Fedor turned down the big bucks and better competition..
Bingo.. look at the headline… Fedor turned down the big bucks and better competition..Thats exactly how the article reads.. IT’s less to do with Fedor and everything to do with the UFC. They are starting to insert doubt into the readers mind’s by releasing the article. It reads plainly that Fedor turned down big money and big fights for the lesser of the 2.. How does that make him look good for future potential marketing ??? Or maybe it’s just me… lol
by MMAuthority on Aug 4, 2009 7:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
B/c the longer this soap opera goes on the more pub it’s generating. It’s like a snowball rolling downhill at this point.
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by FredPancake on Aug 3, 2009 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As long as it is MMA related news, I’m good with it.
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by IHateMMA on Aug 3, 2009 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Strikeforce has highly acclaimed heavyweights?
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by subo on Aug 3, 2009 11:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
They have multiple heavyweights with +.500 records.
As far as MMA heavyweights go, that is pretty damn good.
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by Ubernoober on Aug 3, 2009 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Someone had connections at the NYT.
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by IHateMMA on Aug 3, 2009 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow…it’s almost as if someone OTHER than the UFC knows how to get mainstream publicity…who knew?
by madiq on Aug 4, 2009 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m so tired of attacking Overeem. But he’s not a top ten heavyweight, and neither is Werdum.
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by subo on Aug 3, 2009 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would love to see your top 10. Lots of people attack guys as not being part of a group but when you dont list who should be there instead of them, i kind of think that there really is no one in this mythical top 10.
by Rabbit915 on Aug 4, 2009 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Do you think that what happens in other sports should influence MMA rankings?
by Jahbulon on Aug 4, 2009 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anybody who has Overeem top 10 want to answer this question?
by Jahbulon on Aug 4, 2009 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I guess you mean K-1?
In AO’s case, yes.
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by FredPancake on Aug 4, 2009 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Should Fedor drop out of the number 1 spot because he lost at sambo? Should Roger Gracie be top 10 because of his grappling accomplishments?
by Jahbulon on Aug 4, 2009 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh Jeez
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by donkeypunch on Aug 4, 2009 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No
I said “In AOs case”.
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by FredPancake on Aug 4, 2009 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, K-1 is more closely tied to MMA than the others(in terms of perception). And, the rankings are alot about reputation. So, KO’ing the #1 or 2 HW kickboxer in the world, then losing a very close decision to Remy is bound to boost your reputation. Also, AO has crushed a # of guys in MMA recently as well.
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by FredPancake on Aug 4, 2009 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who?
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by donkeypunch on Aug 4, 2009 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Crocop’s testicle. And literally crushed it. Made that little bastard quit.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Aug 4, 2009 12:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Turned Cro Cop’s testicle into an ovary.
Keep firing Assholes!
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by Ubernoober on Aug 4, 2009 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Overeem is latin for maker of ovaries
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by Day Man on Aug 4, 2009 3:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If there was n AO vs CC I"m retarded for missing it.
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by donkeypunch on Aug 4, 2009 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Got your AOs crossed?
I think you have Andrei Arlovski and Allistair Overeem mixed.
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by Ubernoober on Aug 4, 2009 1:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tru Dat
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by donkeypunch on Aug 4, 2009 1:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But still
Who has Arlosvski beat lately?
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by donkeypunch on Aug 4, 2009 1:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
b4 his losses to Rogers and Fedor?
Roy Nelson – IFL HW champ
Rothwell -Beat Roy head-to-head, top 10 then.
Jake O’Brien – Gave him 1st career loss.
Werdum – Top 10
Marcio Cruz-1st round KO
4 out of 5 were by KO or TKO.
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by FredPancake on Aug 4, 2009 1:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s since he was in the UFC?
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by donkeypunch on Aug 4, 2009 1:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rothwell and Nelson were After UFC. @ Affliction:Banned &EliteXC:Heat, respectively.
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by FredPancake on Aug 4, 2009 2:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Choi mu bae
Mark Hunt
Was dominating CC b4 the “nutshots”
Goodridge
Buentello
No exactly a murderers row, but not cans either. And HW is kinda thin so a win streak will really elevate you.
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by FredPancake on Aug 4, 2009 1:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Come on Man
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by donkeypunch on Aug 4, 2009 1:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who are you talking to?
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by FredPancake on Aug 4, 2009 1:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You should prolly write something on that.
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by donkeypunch on Aug 4, 2009 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe… Fedor, Lesnar, Mir, Nogueira, Barnett, Couture, dos Santos, Rogers, Carwin & Arlovski? Although I suspect subo has Velasquez in his top 10.
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by Richard Wade on Aug 4, 2009 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think Dos Santos should be top 10. He only has one remarkable win.
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by FredPancake on Aug 4, 2009 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s fine…it of course means that Rogers should be more highly ranked, since his only remarkable win was against a higher-ranked fighter.
by madiq on Aug 4, 2009 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rogers should be higher ranked than Dos Santos b/s HIS win was against #2, where as Werdum was about 5 at the time.
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by FredPancake on Aug 4, 2009 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
*b/c
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by FredPancake on Aug 4, 2009 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
“bs his win was against #2” – actually fits better
Arlovski was not ranked #2 when he fought Rogers
by MMAussie on Aug 4, 2009 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You don’t think that Mir was #2, do you?
If I recall correctly, the rankings were:
Fedor, Arlovski, Barnett, Mir, Brock, Nogueira, Couture, dos Santos, Sylvia, Overeem…although #10 is kinda sketchy.
We have already seen that just losing to the #1 guy doesn’t always drop you multiple spots in the rankings. Neither Mir or Brock was Top-10-ranked before their respective breakthrough wins.
by madiq on Aug 4, 2009 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes he was.
Quit being a revisionist. Go back and check. Alot of people kept him at 2 b/c his strong performance against Fedor.
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by FredPancake on Aug 4, 2009 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ll put Monson in my top ten, Fight! magazine has him ranked 5th.
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by ufc4 on Aug 4, 2009 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep - AA has to go
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by subo on Aug 4, 2009 3:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A little early to be putting the nails in the coffin...
Don’t you think?
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by FredPancake on Aug 4, 2009 3:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You just love to dispute anything of reason...
In “Fred’s eyes” Fedor is number 1-5 in the HW rankings, Arlovski is still top ten….jeez
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by ANance on Aug 4, 2009 4:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whether or not you thnk AA is still top-10 depends on...
How good you think Rogers is. And, no, I don’t think Fedor is 1-5 in the rankings. Just b/c I defend him as opposed to bashing him(as is SO popular these days) doesn’t mean I “love beyond reason”. Please stop putting words in my mouth.
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by FredPancake on Aug 4, 2009 4:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You dispute anything that has to do with Fedor. It’s ok, I like Fedor too, but I know where to draw the line.
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by ANance on Aug 4, 2009 4:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No
The only things that I dispute things said about him that I truly feel to be inaccurate. I’ve posted many times about things other than Fedor, that just seems to be on everybodys mind a lot lately.
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by FredPancake on Aug 4, 2009 4:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
We all want the same thing, to see him fight. Some of us only want to see that in the UFC (me) and some of us don’t care where he fights as long as he does (you)
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by ANance on Aug 4, 2009 4:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would prefer to see him in the UFC...
But, that doesn’t mean that if he’s not in the UFC he suddenly becomes a bum, or that there are no “legit” opponents in SF or Japan.
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by FredPancake on Aug 4, 2009 4:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is a few
But, I dunno if they are good enough to keep him up at number 1. I hope Strikeforce makes it, I enjoy their card, and respect what they have done. Maybe they will be able to snag a few more HW for him to fight too, who knows.
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by ANance on Aug 4, 2009 4:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly...
I understand people wanting to see Brock /Fedor. But, what would be SO wrong about The UFC having a little competition?
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by FredPancake on Aug 4, 2009 4:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
Having other organizations is good and bad for the fans and the fighters. Good for the fans because we get to see more fights. Bad for the fans because we miss out on some that we really want to see , due to the co-promo bs. Good for the fighters because it gives them a place to work their way up to the UFC, and a place to go if they don’t make it in the UFC. Bad for the fighters when these promotions fold, fights get cancelled and fighters are left in limbo. These guys have families to feed, always is sad when they get the rug pulled out from under them. I doubt we will ever see the day an UFC is cancelled. So basically, even with all this, I think some competition is good.
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by ANance on Aug 4, 2009 4:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you
For some intelligent debate.
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by FredPancake on Aug 4, 2009 4:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In the end we are all just fans...
This whole situation just has everyones feathers ruffled.
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by ANance on Aug 4, 2009 4:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the co-promotion issue is Dana’s hangup, not Fedors
by ryanwk628 on Aug 4, 2009 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree. That means you expect Dana to give on every demand. He basically gave on all of them. It was Fedor decision. He was asking Dana to totally change the UFC business model.
by SES 84 on Aug 4, 2009 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well you have to balance them… whats it worth to you to see fedor fight? To Dana, Fedor v Brock is not worth sharing.
by ryanwk628 on Aug 4, 2009 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Co-promotion is business suicide. It is arming your competitor when he is trying to kill you.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Aug 4, 2009 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s not that it’s not worth sharing.
Fedor vs anyone is not worth half the profit of a ufc card.
by Phildo on Aug 4, 2009 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dana tried that
and it came back and bit him on the ass. Bad.
by VegasBatman on Aug 4, 2009 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the co-promotion issue isDana’sany intelligent and successful market leader’s who has worked fucking hard to get where they are hangup, notFedorssome fly by night leeching shell promotion’s whose entire purpose is to leverage one person’s marketability while not paying them even close to what they are worth.
Fixed.
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by iiowyn on Aug 4, 2009 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm just glad they didn't have to bleep Dana.
And they called it “mixed martial arts”! Awesomeness!
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by themachiavellian on Aug 3, 2009 11:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Anyone else notice..
That this Fedor/UFC beef is unintentionally making MMA mainstream in terms if media coverage. ESPN,Time, now The NYT. WOW.
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by FredPancake on Aug 3, 2009 11:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Fedor signing would’ve done the same thing times about fifty.
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by subo on Aug 3, 2009 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Doubt it. The media loves negativity and controversy. The UFC getting what they wanted would not have made into the NYT b/c it’s not remarkable, they ALMOST always get what they want.
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by FredPancake on Aug 4, 2009 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The PPV numbers of a Fedor vs. Lesnar fight would have made mainstream media for sure, though.
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by IHateMMA on Aug 4, 2009 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Possibly.
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by FredPancake on Aug 4, 2009 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did the record-breaking PPV numbers of UFC 100 make the Times?
by madiq on Aug 4, 2009 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No
But maybe Brock-Fedor would be more compelling.
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by FredPancake on Aug 4, 2009 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fedor’s ability to generate coverage in the paper of record is a leading indicator of his promotability.
Really?
by Jahbulon on Aug 3, 2009 11:55 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
oh hell no. c’mon, there would be no"story" without the ufc. if fedor becomes promotable without the ufc brand behind him, well then that would be like moses parting the red seas. you shouldn’t give the kiddies hope like that Kid Nate, you spin doctor you. :-)
by bdw on Aug 4, 2009 1:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fedor’s ability to generate coverage in the paper of record is a leading indicator of his promotability.
The only MMA story on the Sports page of nytimes.com is about Gina Carano…
by George Lucas on Aug 4, 2009 12:05 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Gina IS a big draw for a female fighter.
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by FredPancake on Aug 4, 2009 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gina IS a big draw
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by Benicio on Aug 4, 2009 2:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks...
But, not compared to top male fighters.
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by FredPancake on Aug 4, 2009 3:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
She is a waaay bigger draw than Fedor is
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by ANance on Aug 4, 2009 4:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's irrelevant since Gina's never been on PPV(as far as I know)...
But if she were the headliner for a PPV, I doubt she would single handedly out-draw Fedor, as unknown as he is in the USA.
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by FredPancake on Aug 4, 2009 4:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You, my friend, are crazy.
I know they both have boobs, but I’d wager that Gina’s look better in a sports bra.
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by funnytiger on Aug 4, 2009 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wtf are you talking about?
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by FredPancake on Aug 4, 2009 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jiminy Cricket...
You said:
But if she were the headliner for a PPV, I doubt she would single handedly out-draw Fedor, as unknown as he is in the USA.
And I said:
I know they both have boobs, but I’d wager that Gina’s look better in a sports bra.
Implying that Gina is definitely more a draw because she’s a good looking, well-trained athlete that actually has some name recognition in the US than Fedor. And, you know, that Fedor is a little pudgy. :)
I’ll be sure to be less subtle with you in the future. ;)
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by funnytiger on Aug 4, 2009 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah b/c saying that “Gina Carano is a better athlete than Fedor” makes a helluva lot of sense. ;)
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by FredPancake on Aug 4, 2009 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
whoa, whoa, whoa!
Where did I say she was a “better” athlete than Fedor?? Seriously. Point it out. Come on…
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by funnytiger on Aug 4, 2009 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s insane. What in the world leads you to believe that? She drew like crazy on CBS, need I remind you.
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by Rundownloser on Aug 4, 2009 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s insane for you to think a female MMA fight wiil draw. And, Kimbo was why people watched the CBS show, not Gina.
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by FredPancake on Aug 4, 2009 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kimbo was the Draw, not Gina. Selective memory?
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by FredPancake on Aug 4, 2009 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Again
the ratings completely disagree with your assertion.
by VegasBatman on Aug 4, 2009 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Based on the data available, the Carano vs. Kelly Kobold fight was the hit of the night, adding 950,000 viewers from the previous segment. That makes Carano two-for-two as the top ratings mover. Carano’s fight with Kaitlin Young on May 31 added 1,020,000 viewers.
The disappointment of the night was Andrei Arlovski. The former UFC heavyweight champion’s fight with Roy Nelson, the last IFL heavyweight champ, lost 110,000 viewers from the Carano fight.
Proof, you should try it more often.
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by iiowyn on Aug 4, 2009 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for giving me some proof.
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by FredPancake on Aug 4, 2009 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
She is headlining on Aug. 15th...
Let’s see what the ratings do then. That should clear it up, right?
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by funnytiger on Aug 4, 2009 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Her fight on EliteXC: Heat had higher ratings than any other part of the show, sans Kimbo. People tuned in for her too.
Secondly, if she is such a shitty draw, why in the world was the UFC so interested in signing her?
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito Ortiz on Vitor Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on Aug 4, 2009 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
For a female fighter, she is a big draw.
"Not everything that is faced can be changed. But nothing can be changed until it is faced."
-James Arthur Baldwin
by FredPancake on Aug 4, 2009 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wrong.
For afemalefighter, she is a big draw.
Fixed.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito Ortiz on Vitor Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on Aug 4, 2009 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This argument started over me saying that Gina can’t outdraw Fedor/ So, Fedor brought in about 250,000 for his Affliction fights, right? If Gina was such a draw get her on PPV. There is a reason that card is on showtime instead of PPV.
"Not everything that is faced can be changed. But nothing can be changed until it is faced."
-James Arthur Baldwin
by FredPancake on Aug 4, 2009 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The reason she is not on a PPV is because Strikeforce can’t market for shit, not because she isn’t a big draw. She’d be on a UFC PPV.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito Ortiz on Vitor Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on Aug 4, 2009 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s convenient. If she could be on UFC PPV she already be on it. Dana would have made that deal. You notice that Kimbo is in the UFC, but Carano is not? Hmmmm…..
"Not everything that is faced can be changed. But nothing can be changed until it is faced."
-James Arthur Baldwin
by FredPancake on Aug 4, 2009 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dana offered her a contract, she chose to sign with Strikeforce
I don’t think they’re actually going to let him kill me... And if he does kills me, book sales will really go up. Boom…win-win, bitch.- Forrest Griffin on Anderson Silva
by ufc4 on Aug 4, 2009 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
To fight on the WEC. If the UFC contract was more lucrative she would have signed it.
"Not everything that is faced can be changed. But nothing can be changed until it is faced."
-James Arthur Baldwin
by FredPancake on Aug 4, 2009 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
She said that she didn’t like that the UFC’s concept didn’t include a division, only her and opponents for her.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito Ortiz on Vitor Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on Aug 4, 2009 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Elite did the same thing
Didn’t they create an entirely new weight division to allow her to fight smaller fighters?
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by FredPancake on Aug 4, 2009 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nobody responded to this, tho^ :)
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by FredPancake on Aug 4, 2009 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think I understand what you’re implying. Please elaborate.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito Ortiz on Vitor Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on Aug 4, 2009 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why would she have a problem w/ a division based solely around her in the UFC, when Elite based a Made-up WC on her? sounds like an excuse.
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-James Arthur Baldwin
by FredPancake on Aug 4, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The UFC contract was probably more lucrative as far as money goes, she wanted to fight Cyborg and that could only happen with SF.
I don’t think they’re actually going to let him kill me... And if he does kills me, book sales will really go up. Boom…win-win, bitch.- Forrest Griffin on Anderson Silva
by ufc4 on Aug 4, 2009 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see it
If Strikeforce is going to be successful, they have to make Fedor a household name, right? If anybody in MMA is going to be a household name, it’s going to be Brock Lesnar. I don’t understand how Strikeforce thinks they can win this
“This guy here is the best MMA fighter in the world! You’ve never heard of him. You’ve never seen him fight. But trust us! He’s the best. He’s big in Japan!”
“Over here is Brock Lesnar. Look at him. Freaky, huh? He’s going to fight this guy Cain Velasquez. On free TV. Oooh, he sure did a number on Velasquez. He’s quite a monster isn’t he America? He’ll be hosting SNL next week too, don’t forget.”
“No, no, no, wait! Fedor won 381 fights! He’s going to fight..um..this other guy you’ve never heard of!”
“Hey, here’s this guy Cheick Kongo. He’s a big dude, huh? Let’s watch Lesnar tear him apart too! Wow! Oh man, did you see what Lesnar did at the post-fight interview? Insane! Man, that guy is crazy!”
“Wait, wait! Fedor has something to say. Well, Fedor doesn’t speak English. But his translator says that….”
No. Contest.
by Skeller on Aug 4, 2009 12:05 AM EDT reply actions 5 recs
Fedor hosting SNL would be unintentional comedy gold.
by madiq on Aug 4, 2009 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The real question is whether Lorne would be willing to give up fifty percent of all future profits and put Jerry Millen in all future Chris Katan and Jimmy Fallon projects. My assumption is that he’d eventually end up with MADtv.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito Ortiz on Vitor Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on Aug 4, 2009 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lorne probably needed to give up 50% control 15 years ago.
Adding Jerry Millen to all future Chris Katan and Jimmy Fallon projects wouldn’t hurt. -200 × 0 = 0.
MADtv is already canceled. Is it still to late to blame this on Fedor/M-1?
Adding a pudgy Russian who cannot speak a lick of english would probably be a better guest host than 30% of what they had.
by bignerd on Aug 4, 2009 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
like tito ortiz
Everyone has a game plan, untell they get hit.
by mma is #1 on Aug 4, 2009 2:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Fedor hosting SNL would be unintentional comedy gold."
I bet M-1 would want 50% to co-promote that as well…
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by funnytiger on Aug 4, 2009 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is easy, Fedor just needs to fight a couple guys on Youtube in Florida backyards.
by Razreshat on Aug 4, 2009 8:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ONLY if we can get Fedor in a do-rag...
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by funnytiger on Aug 4, 2009 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sombrero.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Aug 4, 2009 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So, random potential fan picks up the NY Times…
Their thought process:
“Fedor, eh? If he were any good he would be in the UFC, that’s where all the other best guys like Chuck Liddell and Brock Lesnar are.”
Keep firing Assholes!
Thanks to Bisping's reenactment of the Battle of Cowpens, walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by Ubernoober on Aug 4, 2009 12:10 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
So this random potential fan has no reading comprehension skills? You’re thinking New York Post…
by madiq on Aug 4, 2009 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
American Newspaper politics?
walks away…
Keep firing Assholes!
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by Ubernoober on Aug 4, 2009 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Kimbo!
I don’t think they’re actually going to let him kill me... And if he does kills me, book sales will really go up. Boom…win-win, bitch.- Forrest Griffin on Anderson Silva
by ufc4 on Aug 4, 2009 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
KIMBO!!!
"Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy" - Ben Franklin
by donkeypunch on Aug 4, 2009 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I told my dad about Brock Lesnar and he asked when he was going to fight Kimbo.
Keep firing Assholes!
Thanks to Bisping's reenactment of the Battle of Cowpens, walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by Ubernoober on Aug 4, 2009 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I told my dad about him and he said stay the fuck away from that guy – he’s no good, son.
"Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy" - Ben Franklin
by donkeypunch on Aug 4, 2009 1:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kimbo!
By the time Fedor’s SF contract is up Kimbo might be better known to America than Fedor.
Scary.
by Skeller on Aug 4, 2009 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He already is.
Speaks to the power of youtube and network television.
I specializes in grammar fail.
by a tommy point on Aug 4, 2009 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Speaks to the power of sarcasm
"Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy" - Ben Franklin
by donkeypunch on Aug 4, 2009 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I completely misread that one.
I specializes in grammar fail.
by a tommy point on Aug 4, 2009 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Something tells me there aren’t a whole lot of Brock and Chuck fans reading the NYTimes…
by George Lucas on Aug 4, 2009 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Fedor’s ability to generate coverage in the paper of record is a leading indicator of his promotability.
Smart move – gives him more leverage for round 3! Lets bring it on! Besides he has a 3 fight deal with Strikeforce, which is ironically the exact number of worthwhile heavyweights that Strikeforce has. Not a smart move on Dana’s part to diss Fedor given that he’ll get another crack at him in a years time.
by ludakrish on Aug 4, 2009 12:11 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't know....
I think the odds that Lesnar has cleaned out the heavyweight division are at least as good as the odds that Fedor wins all three fights. By that time the UFC will have drummed “Fedor is ducking the champ” into everybody’s head.
by Skeller on Aug 4, 2009 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
?
Scuse me.
"Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy" - Ben Franklin
by donkeypunch on Aug 4, 2009 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No really.
Let’s say Fedor wins all three of his fights. Let’s say Lesnar wins his next three fights (Velazquez, Carwin, Couture II, whatever) as well.
At that point — with the UFC media machine in full power mode — who does America think is “the best”?
by Skeller on Aug 4, 2009 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Depends on thier MMA knowledge.
"Not everything that is faced can be changed. But nothing can be changed until it is faced."
-James Arthur Baldwin
by FredPancake on Aug 4, 2009 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They will think Brock is better. So would I.
Keep firing Assholes!
Thanks to Bisping's reenactment of the Battle of Cowpens, walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by Ubernoober on Aug 4, 2009 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can’t speak for all of the MMA fan in America. So just stop.
"Not everything that is faced can be changed. But nothing can be changed until it is faced."
-James Arthur Baldwin
by FredPancake on Aug 4, 2009 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No but
He can make a reasonable assesment of public opinion.
Lesnar will be a media star in a year. Fedor will be that guy who won’t fight Lesnar.
Dana White will make it his mission.
by Skeller on Aug 4, 2009 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have a right to my own opinion also. And, your predictions suck also.
"Not everything that is faced can be changed. But nothing can be changed until it is faced."
-James Arthur Baldwin
by FredPancake on Aug 4, 2009 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
again, when making a point, please make more constructive arguments than “your predictions suck”.. it makes for a better conversation.. okay? thanks. :)
by Anton Tabuena on Aug 4, 2009 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I’ve already stated that making “absolute predictions” is pointless. I’m not going to keep repeating myself.
"Not everything that is faced can be changed. But nothing can be changed until it is faced."
-James Arthur Baldwin
by FredPancake on Aug 4, 2009 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well I'm going to repeat this :
Your attitude SUCKS! Knock it off!
by MetsGod on Aug 4, 2009 4:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can’t “repeat” something if you haven’t said it before. But, I see what you were trying to do there. Nice try.;)
"Not everything that is faced can be changed. But nothing can be changed until it is faced."
-James Arthur Baldwin
by FredPancake on Aug 4, 2009 4:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t like you.
"Japan panics about the rise of "grass-eating men," who shun sex, don’t spend money, and like taking walks."
Did they all get married?
- Ubernoober
by SamCupitt on Aug 4, 2009 7:01 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Rec’d and green’d and furthermore, here is a T-shirt for you that fits you perfectly Mr. Pancake:
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Aug 4, 2009 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Send it
And i’ll wear it.
"Not everything that is faced can be changed. But nothing can be changed until it is faced."
-James Arthur Baldwin
by FredPancake on Aug 4, 2009 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's ok weo
He got all pissy when someone called him a dummy…. but he can say your prediction/opinion sucks….and it’s ok
by soadtrails on Aug 4, 2009 7:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nobody called anybody a “dummy”. If you Fedor haters are going to try to insult me, at least make sense.
"Not everything that is faced can be changed. But nothing can be changed until it is faced."
-James Arthur Baldwin
by FredPancake on Aug 4, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t hate Fedro, just Gary Millen, Finkie, M-1 Globalshillcompanytofuckfedro, and you.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Aug 4, 2009 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
that makes me smile
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by funnytiger on Aug 4, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, but… I can speak for all MMA fans in Canada! :D
Keep firing Assholes!
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by Ubernoober on Aug 4, 2009 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brock already is better, and with 1 or 2 more solid wins for Brock and he will be number 1 in the rankings
Be a man, not a child-Phil Anselmo
by ANance on Aug 4, 2009 4:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I said this earlier, but i'll repeat for your sake...
If Brock is #1 and Fedor #2, then #1 and #2 will STILL not be fighting each other. So, nothing would have changed. Fedor would still be the best HW and best fighter outside the UFC. Think about it.
"Not everything that is faced can be changed. But nothing can be changed until it is faced."
-James Arthur Baldwin
by FredPancake on Aug 4, 2009 4:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agreee they are 1 and 2 also...
But I think if Fedor would have came to UFC there is a few guys that could beat him…could not would,,,i just don’t feel the same about the strikeforce guys chances with Fedor. Rogers has that “punchers chance”, AO would look like Kongo on the ground with Fedor and Werdum can’t stand with Fedor…
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by ANance on Aug 4, 2009 4:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
See...
I’don’t disagree w/this post at all.
"Not everything that is faced can be changed. But nothing can be changed until it is faced."
-James Arthur Baldwin
by FredPancake on Aug 4, 2009 4:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree, but the #1 fighter has more leverage than the #2 fighter. Of couse Fedor will claim to be number 1 until he loses.
by SES 84 on Aug 4, 2009 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Agree
"Not everything that is faced can be changed. But nothing can be changed until it is faced."
-James Arthur Baldwin
by FredPancake on Aug 4, 2009 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess my point was that the odds of Fedor cleaning out his division are astronomically better that Lesnar doing it – based soley on talent.
"Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy" - Ben Franklin
by donkeypunch on Aug 4, 2009 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Talent in the division.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Aug 4, 2009 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right. And Organization.
"Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy" - Ben Franklin
by donkeypunch on Aug 4, 2009 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lesnar, most likely doesn’t face BOTH Carwin and Velasquez, since they’re both facing each other for the shot. It’s probably more like Carwin/Velasquez, Nogueira/Couture, Crocop/DosSantos. If that combo ends up being Carwin, Nog, and CroCop, people will be impressed, but not blown away.
by madiq on Aug 4, 2009 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Besides Rogers, what is the fresh blood for Fedor?
Werdum and Overeem?
Bottom line is that nobody knows who the Man until they all HAVE to fight each other.
"Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy" - Ben Franklin
by donkeypunch on Aug 4, 2009 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its more impressibve then what Fedor is going to fight.
You also need to remember the fights those guys will have to win to even get in those positions.
Carwin has to beat Velazquez. Nog has to beat Couture and CroCop probably needs to win 1-2 fights. Maybe Couture, maybe Velazquez, maybe dos Santos
by SES 84 on Aug 4, 2009 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s also the number of fights which M-1 claim they have on their “contract” with Fedor.
by brad23 on Aug 4, 2009 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It depends on marketing
If all three fights are heavily pushed by ESPN (no love for CBS there) and one of the fights is outside in Aloha Stadium (or New Yankee Stadium!!) and Lesnar’s giant body is on a giant billboard in Times Square….
Who’s that Russian guy again?
by Skeller on Aug 4, 2009 12:29 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
ESPN covered MMA on CBS when Kimbo was fighting…and they’ll likely cover Carano-Cyborg on Showtime.
by madiq on Aug 4, 2009 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They would cover Fedor if he was on CBS, also.
"Not everything that is faced can be changed. But nothing can be changed until it is faced."
-James Arthur Baldwin
by FredPancake on Aug 4, 2009 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That whole Russian thing?
"Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy" - Ben Franklin
by donkeypunch on Aug 4, 2009 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess.
"Not everything that is faced can be changed. But nothing can be changed until it is faced."
-James Arthur Baldwin
by FredPancake on Aug 4, 2009 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe Strikeforce and M-1 should give free tickets to every hot young Russian tennis player that’s currently here, as well as Alex Ovechkin, and sit those guys prominently at cageside. Any Russian celebrities you can think of?
by madiq on Aug 4, 2009 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not right off...
… but I like your style.
"Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy" - Ben Franklin
by donkeypunch on Aug 4, 2009 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ovechkin and Fedor would get in a fight over the ice cream bar.
Keep firing Assholes!
Thanks to Bisping's reenactment of the Battle of Cowpens, walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by Ubernoober on Aug 4, 2009 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Depends if they lock down a deal on UFC
Also they won’t ignore it, but its the level of coverage. Do we get an E60 piece. Is it discussed on PTI, Around the Horn. ESPN has a bunch of degrees of coverage and the UFC will get more especially with a ESPN deal.
by SES 84 on Aug 4, 2009 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure...
They also cover college basketball. But they COVER Duke, know what I mean?
The UFC has a contract with ESPN UK. That “relationship” can easily find it’s way (even unofficially) over here….
by Skeller on Aug 4, 2009 12:32 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Kinda like Bellator was on ESPN Deportes, and got all that coverage, huh?
by madiq on Aug 4, 2009 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eddie Alverez
"Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy" - Ben Franklin
by donkeypunch on Aug 4, 2009 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s funny, I see no NFL or NBA coverage when I go on vacation to Mexico. Instead ESPN Espanol shows this sport called Soccer and tennis tournaments 99.99999999% of American’s have never even heard of . . . that includes Andy Roddick.
by bignerd on Aug 4, 2009 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
FEDOR IS ON DANA's PAYROLL AND IS TRYING TO GET THE COMPTETITION SHUTDOWN FROM THE INSIDE OUT
I’m starting a new rumor, to go along with all the other crazyness.
by CliChe Guevara on Aug 4, 2009 12:50 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Reminds me of the Barack Obama Presidential Nigerian Prince Scam
That’s a Daily Show Reference for you non-comedy watchers.
by Sokonojudo on Aug 4, 2009 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I saw Miguel Torres eat a live iguana once.
Keep firing Assholes!
Thanks to Bisping's reenactment of the Battle of Cowpens, walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by Ubernoober on Aug 4, 2009 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank heavens you brought that to light for us.
"Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy" - Ben Franklin
by donkeypunch on Aug 4, 2009 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You’re completely overestimating the importance of things like this. Fedor’s past issues with the UFC were also covered by the NYT, as well as the Affliction/UFC war in July 2008. They still completely bombed on PPV. This is not coverage that leads to anything meaningful. He is relatively promotable, nowhere near the level of Gina Carano, yet he costs 20 times more.
Fedor-Overeem on PPV is a 60,000 buy fight that costs an insane amount. If you add a big Gina fight maybe you get over 100k, but at least Sylvia and Arlovski were former UFC names that people knew. Overeem, Rogers, and Werdum are nobodies.
The other thing people aren’t considering is the fact that Strikeforce is not very good at promoting MMA! The biggest myth in the world is how Coker is so incredible at this. So far they’ve completely screwed up the promotion of their second show (actually was down from the first with a poor number), and they have no idea what they’re doing with Carano and Cyborg. You get the feeling that if Strikeforce got Randy vs. Fedor they’d promote it around the fact that both men fought Kevin Randleman.
by Michael Rome on Aug 4, 2009 1:04 AM EDT reply actions 8 recs
The bar for genius level MMA promoters is pretty low.
Not going out of business puts you in the 95th percentile.
Keep firing Assholes!
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by Ubernoober on Aug 4, 2009 1:10 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The other thing people aren’t considering is the fact that Strikeforce is not very good at promoting MMA! The biggest myth in the world is how Coker is so incredible at this. So far they’ve completely screwed up the promotion of their second show (actually was down from the first with a poor number), and they have no idea what they’re doing with Carano and Cyborg.
Not to mention Showtime is having to much input on their product. That’s kind of a recipe for disaster in long term
by The Bronzeville Bully on Aug 4, 2009 1:47 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
But!
According to Lorreta Hunt, Carano/Cyborg was going to get more mainstream press than UFC 100!
by filipinomix2oo0 on Aug 4, 2009 2:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know you're being sarcastic, but...
NOBODY cares what Loretta Hunt says(at least I don’t).
"Not everything that is faced can be changed. But nothing can be changed until it is faced."
-James Arthur Baldwin
by FredPancake on Aug 4, 2009 2:20 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
hey, something we can finally agree on…
by Reaser16 on Aug 4, 2009 2:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hah, I like you more already than I thought I would. (Not that you needed my approval)
by filipinomix2oo0 on Aug 4, 2009 2:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Not that you needed my approval"
"Not everything that is faced can be changed. But nothing can be changed until it is faced."
-James Arthur Baldwin
by FredPancake on Aug 4, 2009 3:12 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It will be interesting to see how much press it does get. UFC got no mainstream press until the Wednesday before 100, and then it just exploded. Still, the post-fight coverage was mostly driven by Lesnar, I think the only fair comparison is pre-fight.
by Michael Rome on Aug 4, 2009 2:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just don't think that Carano/Cyborg will THAT big...
I mean sure, Carano has a certain amount of mainstream appeal, but nobody outside of hardcores knows who “Cyborg” is. Also, womens fights have a hard time drawing(obviously).
"Not everything that is faced can be changed. But nothing can be changed until it is faced."
-James Arthur Baldwin
by FredPancake on Aug 4, 2009 2:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have to agree with you. I think Hunt was way off base with that statement, but Rome’s right. We won’t be able to fully gauge the amount of pre-fight hype for this Carano/Cyborg event until mid to late fight week. Still though, it seems almost impossible for this fight to match the pre-fight press that UFC 100 got, and it will surely not match the post-fight press.
by filipinomix2oo0 on Aug 4, 2009 2:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unless...
Gina does something outrageous, like take her top off or something REALLY crazy.
"Not everything that is faced can be changed. But nothing can be changed until it is faced."
-James Arthur Baldwin
by FredPancake on Aug 4, 2009 3:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fred.. I completely agree with you… And I’ll take it even further..
Fred.. I completely agree with you… And I’ll take it even further..If Cyborg wins, you’ll see a “RAPID” decline in the interest in womens MMA. The main pointof attraction is the pretty face and personality of Gina.. Gina is the “only” draw for womens MMA appeal. Erin Toughill is also attractive, but that’s really about it..
Fred.. I completely agree with you… And I’ll take it even further..If Cyborg wins, you’ll see a “RAPID” decline in the interest in womens MMA. The main pointof attraction is the pretty face and personality of Gina.. Gina is the “only” draw for womens MMA appeal. Erin Toughill is also attractive, but that’s really about it..Not to dog womens MMA, but most men dont care about womens sports because the majority of female athlete’s are not physically attractive enough for the men to stay tuned in. So the majority appeal is not there to begin with, because the majority of people watching sport’s are men & boys.. Gina is a pretty face that’s been built up, but you’re naive if you think that people “honestly” care about womens MMA.. MMA as it stand’s has a hard enough time gaining acceptance from the men’s side of things, do you really think womens MMA is going to stand on it’s own 2 feet ??
Fred.. I completely agree with you… And I’ll take it even further..If Cyborg wins, you’ll see a “RAPID” decline in the interest in womens MMA. The main pointof attraction is the pretty face and personality of Gina.. Gina is the “only” draw for womens MMA appeal. Erin Toughill is also attractive, but that’s really about it..Not to dog womens MMA, but most men dont care about womens sports because the majority of female athlete’s are not physically attractive enough for the men to stay tuned in. So the majority appeal is not there to begin with, because the majority of people watching sport’s are men & boys.. Gina is a pretty face that’s been built up, but you’re naive if you think that people “honestly” care about womens MMA.. MMA as it stand’s has a hard enough time gaining acceptance from the men’s side of things, do you really think womens MMA is going to stand on it’s own 2 feet ??Maybe in a another 10 years or so.. But if Gina loses, then so does it the “only” appeal heading into the fight itself. If she wins, then they’ll have another pretty face to match her up against in Erin Toughill.. But that’s about it…
by MMAuthority on Aug 4, 2009 8:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
???
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by Benicio on Aug 4, 2009 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
I dont know why it keeps doing that to me ???
It keeps separating the post and dividing it into a 3rd ???
by MMAuthority on Aug 4, 2009 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the thing about the carano fight is how much credit are they giving her for being a drawing power when really it was FREE mma on Network tv, also kimbo had a heck of alot to do with those numbers….
for ex. my wife likes carano but would she go outta her way to watch her fight? no. come the 15th tho if im watchin it and i say hey baby gina is about to fight, will she watch? sure, but only because im allready watching it
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by baldspot23 on Aug 4, 2009 3:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very good point & you’re absolutely right…
Anyone will tune in when it’s FREE.. But is the product really worth buying ?? I dont have enough room in my budget for 2 MMA PPV’s per month.. I wouldn’t go out of my way to watch the fight on Showtime (which I have a subscription). I’m a die hard.. But I also dont put a whole lot of effort into “every” fight outside the big draws (UFC). I, like most, usually try to catch it or the results, on the net.. If I’m not doing anything and it happens to come on, then sure I’ll watch it.. But I wouldnt go out of my way to see it live & especially if I have to pay for it..
That’s the mentality of most of the general public.
by MMAuthority on Aug 4, 2009 7:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s what people don’t get.
Coker is really good at filling up The Pond (especially when Cung Le and/or Frank Shamrock are fighting).
Filling up the Pond is not going to make M1 happy, they’re going to need more. They’re going to need serious help from Showtime and CBS to get that thing done properly, and they really havne’t shown that they could do it either when it comes to MMA.
by Phildo on Aug 4, 2009 7:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tell me I'm retarded
Here’s what happens Coker put all his cards on the table. Dana was giving him a pass up until he went for the gold. CBS + Strikeforce does not equal ABC/ESPN + HBO. Yeah, I said HBO. Like they’re not watching this mess.
And yeah, the UFC will take fighters from Strikeforce because they can. Big poo poo for Strikeforce but if you’re Coker you gotta try that.
IMO there does need to be one premiere league for MMA and the UFC is obviously it. It just looks like it might take a little longer. But, this might help MMA in the long run – regarding fighter contracts and sponsership deals – and driving one more competing org. into the ground.
Strikeforce should have tried to stay in the minor leagues.
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by donkeypunch on Aug 4, 2009 1:18 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Minor Leagues go out of business too…unless they’re subsidized or otherwise propped up by the Major League.
by madiq on Aug 4, 2009 1:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah but Strikeforce was the best set up for it.
It’s different because there isn’t a MMA high school league (yet). Coker screwed himself.
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by donkeypunch on Aug 4, 2009 1:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
UFC will BURN him.
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by donkeypunch on Aug 4, 2009 1:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Newspaper? They still have those?
Do people still read them or was this a museum exhibit?
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by Paynuss on Aug 4, 2009 1:30 AM EDT reply actions 6 recs
I would much rather read a newspaper than stare at my monitor, but that’s just me.
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by IHateMMA on Aug 4, 2009 1:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
every time you buy a newspaper
You are paying to hear about things that happened yesterday
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by Paynuss on Aug 4, 2009 2:00 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
My college gives them to students for free. Local paper, NYT, and USAT. Great to read between classes (and show off the BE Rankings once a month)
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by themachiavellian on Aug 4, 2009 2:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rec’d^
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by FredPancake on Aug 4, 2009 2:05 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I posted this as a reply in another thread but it applies here too
To be honest.. I don’t get where people keep saying nobody knows who Fedor is.. He has been widely acclaimed as the sport’s top dog for many years now. Everyone is aware of who he is. While "most" simply don’t care because they never see anything about him on a personal level. He has zero personality or charisma. He’s identical to Ivan Drago.. A Russian robot that does what he’s told. He doesn’t connect with fans and now more apparent than ever, he simply has shown he has less interest in what his fans really care about.
Bottom line is that Fedor is "not" a draw (to the buying public). He doesnt sell tickets to events where people have to "pay" to see him because nobody has ever seen his personality.. If he had any type of personality, most major media outlets would have picked up on him for not only being the best, but for his ability to connect with the general public in some sort of way..
The hardcore’s simply haven’t ever understood this. They still don’t realize that they themselves are the "minority", Fedor’s name has been brought up MANY times on mainstream media outlets.. But once the general media start diving in to find out more about the guy, all they get is a man with a poor looking physique, that simply doesn’t say anything at all, & doesn’t take the time to even "try" to crossover to communicate.. And to top that all off, it’s even harder to promote a guy that doesn’t have right’s to any previous fight footage to boot. The UFC have hindered Fedor’s appeal, even without him being in their organization, due to the fact that every time they scoop up a fledgling organization, they also take ownership of their video library.. Fedor’s best years have been in PRIDE.. Kind of hard to promote a guy that no one can see fight. isn’t it ???
Another key thing is that, even Fedor’s handlers & management are poor personalities. They themselves come off, very robotish. With Ed Soares you at least get some kind of translation and he takes the time to help his fighters cross over (even if it is very few words).. The fact that they make an effort says a lot. Where as Fedor’s handlers themselves dont have much to say. They "try" to come off humble.. But sometimes the general media need a little personality to relate to. Either it forces them to love you or love to hate you. Fedor seems very Ivan Drago’ish. He doesn’t do a lot of press, & when he does, he doesn’t say too many words. His handlers don’t even speak English so they wind up with a regular translator who doesn’t know "how" to spice it up & play to the media. I respect humble, but I also want to see who he really is.. It’s just not appealing as to what we’ve been given outside the "fights" themselves..
So in closing, I’ll say that Fedor has not been a draw, not for lack of not trying, but for lack proper social skills & communication. Fedor needs desperately to have a PR firm built to cater him and his image .. He need’s a translator with a little personality while he takes the time to learn how to cross over himself. Some will say he doesn’t need to, and fortunately they’re probably right. However, for the bigger picture, if he want’s to have any success "past" his contract numbers and want’s to stay relevant in the public’s eye, he desperately needs to conform to some of those things or it’s going to be the same cycle repeating itself, as we’ve seen every time previous…
by MMAuthority on Aug 4, 2009 7:27 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I would disagree that he got no charisma.
You don't look like a Tanaka.
by spectaa on Aug 4, 2009 8:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you should "learn" how to "emphasize" without "quotation marks"
Otherwise it “looks” like you’re being “sarcastic.”
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by Paynuss on Aug 4, 2009 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What leads you to believe he has any charisma ?? Is it his offbeat smile from time to time ?? Are you fluent in Russian ?? Is he saying something that’s not been translated properly that the majority of the English speaking world is missing ?? I’m not downign you by any means.. I only ask because maybe you’ve seen something or know something the majority isn’t getting at this point ??
by MMAuthority on Aug 4, 2009 8:36 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The quiet little puppy dog eyes act would go a long way if he just learned to speak English. That goes for a lot of the international fighters plying their trade in the west – Learn English and your marketability will benefit.
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by Benicio on Aug 4, 2009 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Vadim won’t let him learn English; he might start thinking for himself.
by Take It Easy! on Aug 4, 2009 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Granted, this was in Korea. Clearly what he needs to do to demonstrate charisma to the UFC audience is to engage in some ultimate trash talking.
It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.
by capital L on Aug 4, 2009 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If that’s not charisma I don’t know what is
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by ufc4 on Aug 4, 2009 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not trash talking per say.. But at least try to communicate to your audience in a manner other than a brief smile and I’m happy to be here (through translation).. We’re in the fight business.. You dont have to be cordial and polite “all the time”.. A liitle human emotion and a little reaction every now and then is not so bad..
Also I’m sure he has a personality in Russia.. Why not try to convey that same personality here as well ???
by MMAuthority on Aug 4, 2009 10:43 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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