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Fedor Emelianenko to Strikeforce, UFC Declares War, What Does It All Mean?

Picture_14_medium Well, the Fedor has hit the proverbial fan, or should I say the fans. There is debate as to whether or not this is a game changer. Michael David Smith says yes:

I've long believed that any MMA promotion wanting to compete with the UFC needed to do one of two things: Develop the best women's division in the sport, and sign Fedor Emelianenko.

Strikeforce and Showtime have now done both.

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Fedor is nowhere near as big a draw as UFC heavyweight champion Brock Lesnar, but the MMA media and hardcore fans consider Fedor, not Lesnar, the heavyweight champion of the world. The heavyweight champion is always relevant, and his presence in Strikeforce makes Strikeforce relevant.

But Smith recognizes that changing the game has its negative implications as well as its positive ones:

However, we don't yet know the financial terms of the deal between Strikeforce and M-1, and that means it's possible that Fedor will change the game for Strikeforce in another sense: He may have just blown up their business model.

M-1 Global's Jerry Millen is less nuanced:

"Look at what (Showtime and CBS) were able to do with a fighter like Kimbo Slice," Millen says. "Imagine what will happen once Fedor is exposed to the mainstream. Fedor could be 100,000 times bigger than a Kimbo Slice, because he's a true MMA fighter."

Jake Rossen asks two questions:

The first question: a percentage of what? Emelianenko's first bout will air on the cable network, and it's fairly obvious they have an eye on getting him network television exposure. (Showtime is owned by CBS.) Neither approach requires a NASA calculator to balance the books: Strikeforce has traditionally kept their spending manageable and their profits modest relative to the UFC monolith. Is the plan to "build" the 33-year-old athlete into a pay-per-view attraction, or hope they can manipulate his cult-status stateside profile into big ratings and ad dollars?

The second question: Does Emelianenko's reputation take a hit among casual fans who heard faint "Lesnar versus Fedor" noise and now wonder why that's not happening? Strikeforce has a few talented heavyweights who could keep Emelianenko busy for the next two years, but whether they're perceived as quality competition or consolations is another matter.

Josh Gross adds a bit more from the Fedor/M-1 perspective:

Critics panned Emelianenko's decision to turn down a big-money offer from the UFC, deriding him as purposely avoiding the best competition. But most misunderstood the parameters of his arrangement with M-1 and failed to recognize that his weight division is one of the few in MMA that features strong talent outside the UFC.

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In closing a deal with Emelianenko so soon after the UFC declined to co-promote with M-1, Strikeforce has undoubtedly put itself square in the Las Vegas promoter's crosshairs. Because it runs primarily off pay-per-view, however, Strikeforce isn't necessarily a direct competitor to the UFC, even if they clearly, now, are vying for the same fighters.

 

With moves like aligning with Emelianenko, there's little doubt that Strikeforce is actively working to establish its standing as a dominant MMA brand.

All indications are that UFC will lash out at Strikeforce in any way they can. If this fan post is accurate, Zuffa will use their acquisition of Affliction to hurt Strikeforce/M-1 as much as possible.

Personally I was rooting for Dana to make the deal and get Fedor in the Octagon while Brock Lesnar is still on the upswing and Fedor is untarnished. But I also understand that Fedor doesn't owe anyone anything and if he wants to sign for less money with an organization whose head that doesn't publicly insult him, that is up to Fedor.

The alliance with EA Sports is not to be underestimated. EA is the big dog in video games and they are clearly on the Fedor/Strikeforce side of the fence. When they put their marketing power behind Fedor, the UFC will have a much bigger competitor than they have ever faced before.

In closing, this from Fightlinker takes a pretty good perspective:

But in the end I’m happy with Fedor fighting anywhere, because it’s better than having to deal with the constant tidal waves of bullshit that roll across the MMA landscape whenever he’s a free agent. It’s hard not to feel a touch of concern for Strikeforce though … I get the feeling we’re supposed to be celebrating, but instead I feel like I just learned they might have the AIDS.

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Dana & Lorenzo are like “Affliction folded & all we got were these lousy t-shirts.”

Strikeforce, on the other hand, got Fedor. Advantage, Strikeforce.

by bobthewriter on Aug 3, 2009 5:48 PM EDT reply actions  

I wonder if Strikeforce will officially get Mousasi too seeing as he is with M-1 and fighting Babalu (unless I missed something and Strikeforce has officially got him under contract).

by chrisbboy82 on Aug 3, 2009 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

They got millions coming into Zuffa from Affliction sponsorships, they have the footage from Fedor’s two bouts…at least in the U.S. They also have several fighters.

Millen stating Fedor will be 100,000 times bigger than Kimbo is missing the fact that Kimbo is unique in his appeal. On CBS, he did better than Arlovski.

by Lynchman on Aug 3, 2009 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

FL nails it again

This is going to kill Strikeforce.

MDS is dreaming – the only organization capable of killing the UFC is the UFC, and the only promoter that can stop Dana White is Dana White.

When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift

by Derek Suboticki on Aug 3, 2009 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s about right.

by thesource on Aug 3, 2009 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

My last post before I probably get banned, so I’ll try not to make it suck…

Fedor’s draw has always been attributed to the die-hard fans. And seemingly now he has alienated/angered a great bulk of them. What exactly can Strikeforce have to gain from this? Does Showtime really believe they will get that many new subscribers who just want to see Fedor? In my view, Fedor and Strikeforce will be the only ones who lost anything in this. The UFC will continue to grow, and Fedor will never be “the best” until he fights someone other than Werdum, Overeem and Rogers…

by mjw2e on Aug 3, 2009 5:49 PM EDT reply actions  

I used the “b” word in another post before i realized Luke outlawed the word…save me if you can…

by mjw2e on Aug 3, 2009 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

you can get banned for saying "best"????

in not really sure what the problem is or even if thats the word you guy are talking about!?!?

Everyone has a game plan, untell they get hit.

by mma is #1 on Aug 3, 2009 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Luke was going off on people

disparaging Fedor in the main thread earlier today. Threatened lifetime bans if a certain five letter word starting with “b” were used to describe Fedor in the comments.

There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

by misterjonez on Aug 3, 2009 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

He was just trying to keep everyone on topic,

I think. Some of it was devolving a little bit early on, as emotions were running pretty strong.

There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

by misterjonez on Aug 3, 2009 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh, well thank man!!

Everyone has a game plan, untell they get hit.

by mma is #1 on Aug 3, 2009 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Time to pick some of these comments apart….

Josh Gross has been a Fedor lover for years. His word on Fedor holds about as much weight as Iole’s does on the UFC. Also, the next 5 top challengers are all in the UFC. Gross is full of it.

Women’s MMA means nothing to MMA. Women are never a draw in any sport except tennis.

Showtime & CBS did not build up Kimbo Slice. He was already famous before they got him. They just put him on TV. Kimbo also looks like a fighter. Fedor does not look tough and doesn’t speak English.

by AlwaysRelaxing on Aug 3, 2009 5:52 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Also, EA Games Fight Night did not beat the UFC despite having Ali & Tyson. How is Fedor going to improve this?

by AlwaysRelaxing on Aug 3, 2009 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

except tennis

and beach volleyball! mmmmmm. :)

by bdw on Aug 3, 2009 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Women's soccer could have made some strides

if they hadn’t flipped completely out after one of the USA women tore her shirt off (but left on the sports bra) after winning the world championship.

They went and ruined that, though.

There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

by misterjonez on Aug 3, 2009 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Someone please tell me what viewers Fedor will be bringing to Strikeforce that it didnt already have?? People who know Fedor already know and watch strikeforce…

Fedor is the new “Frank Shamrock” only alot more expensive.

Striekforce has basically gambled their entire business on a group of people who has put every organization they have worked with out of business.

by mmalogic on Aug 3, 2009 5:52 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Not to mention…. To make any money they need to be on PPV.

To get on PPV, Fedor will need at least one fight on Showtime. One fight on CBS. And then by then he will have either lost or have no more challengers that are worthy of putting on PPV. Not to mention that once you give something away for free, it’s nearly impossible to charge for it.

They haven’t logically thought this one through. If they did, they would come to the conclusion that PPV will be tough to come by, and without it M-1 will suck them dry…

by AlwaysRelaxing on Aug 3, 2009 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Striekforce will put everything they got working up to 1 ppv and then Zuffa will put on a free a ppv caliber card on free TV. There goes all those hopes and dreams….

by mmalogic on Aug 3, 2009 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

1st ever post

Call me a hopeless optimist… but I see all this extra competition as a great thing. The fans are winners in this case!
We will now get to see Fedor fight more often and he will get mass mainstream coverage.
Fights like, Fedor vs. Overeem, vs. Khritonov, vs. Rogers are enough to keep me entertained for a few years.
WORST case scenario for Strikeforce is that they lose everything, UFC picks up the pieces and we get to finally see Fedor in the octogon.
WORST case scenario for UFC is that strikeforce becomes a force to be reckoned with and they will have to counter-program SF with better overall cards.

by Dudeski on Aug 3, 2009 5:53 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

/\ this

competition is good.

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by Kid Nate on Aug 3, 2009 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

The argument is fighters maximize their value if promotions are forced to engage in legitimate bidding wars for their services.

Obviously there is a lot more to it, but that’s the main argument for competition.

by Andy R on Aug 3, 2009 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Although the problem with competition is it prevents good fights from happening. Which sucks.

by Andy R on Aug 3, 2009 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

And when has the UFC prevented fighters from making more? It’s thanks to the UFC that they fighters even have these opportunities. And it is the UFC who is paying out more money to the fighters then anybody else, including more millionaires.

by AlwaysRelaxing on Aug 3, 2009 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not disagreeing. I think it’s better to have one powerful organization at the top so I can watch better fights. The idea of bidding on free agents is the major argument of people who want competition.

by Andy R on Aug 3, 2009 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

That and the fact that the UFC, spurred by this competition, will be running better and more fight cards to prove their superiority over the competition, fight cards that we probably either wouldn’t see, or would have to pay for.

by madiq on Aug 3, 2009 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Call me crazy but I dont see Lesnar vs. Fedor as being relevant right now. The only thing that makes Brock relevant is the belt around his waist, but I would much rather see him fight Fedor after he has cleaned out the division and actually earned the belt.

If you got what you wished for, Fedor would most likely beat Brock and then ppl would hate on him for fighting a 4-1 fighter. I rather wait 2 yrs, maybe Fedor will lose a step or two, maybe Brock will be well rounded. Only then is the fight really interesting.

we did see silva vs lidell… maybe they werent in thier prime but the fight was pretty good, I was satisfied at least.

by Dudeski on Aug 3, 2009 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

We saw silva liddell

after the competing org was gone

by Shaun32887 on Aug 3, 2009 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

CRAZY...

You asked for it…lol

Be a man, not a child-Phil Anselmo

by ANance on Aug 3, 2009 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

it means lots of free mma on tv.. it means Gina vs Cyborg, it means more Nick Diaz, it means more jobs for fighters or fight realated stuff….

"I’m not going to stop yelling because that would mean, I lost the fight!"-Kenny Powers
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by ekc on Aug 3, 2009 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL.. I actually laughed out loud at this statement… Well played my good friend.. well played indeed.. :)

by MMAuthority on Aug 3, 2009 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're on a roll, logic.

I never can quite understand the anti-Zuffa agenda out there. They’re the NFL of their sport, and they have done wondrous things for the sport and the athletes that choose to participate.

Remember where we came from, everybody. A decade ago this thing was still essentially underground/niche at best.

There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

by misterjonez on Aug 3, 2009 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I never can quite understand the anti-Zuffa agenda out there.

Bitter Pride fans.

Keep firing Assholes!

Thanks to Bisping's reenactment of the Battle of Cowpens, walla walla walla I'm an idiot.

by Ubernoober on Aug 3, 2009 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or pro-wrestling converts.

by madiq on Aug 3, 2009 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nah, they all like the UFC, remember?

When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift

by Derek Suboticki on Aug 3, 2009 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Exactly

I’ve never heard someone bash UFC without uttering “Pride” in their next breath

by Shaun32887 on Aug 3, 2009 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

But to be fair, it’d be pretty hard to be a Fedor fan before 2008 if you weren’t also a PRIDE fan.

by madiq on Aug 3, 2009 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I only liked the “legit” fights PRIDE put on, so i was torn. But they did manage to take a WWE style of promotion and have it to were [at least a few] of the fights weren’t determined beforehand.

by sadface on Aug 3, 2009 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

PRIDE was a dysfunctional, dirty, run org…

by MMAuthority on Aug 3, 2009 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Truer words were never spoken here

When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift

by Derek Suboticki on Aug 3, 2009 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Ok, I get it but

If competition is so good how come my ‘He Hate Me’ XFL jersey ain’t worth shit…

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by funnytiger on Aug 3, 2009 6:00 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I'm still not happy with the immediate outcome, but you're right.

SF is a definitely a step up from the cans of yester year.

"He built his whole reputation (as a) waffle house chef. They've been serving him up ham and eggs with a side of canned tomatoes." - Don Frye on Fedor Emelianenko

by Damon O. on Aug 3, 2009 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

The creditable, decently run #2 org is going to get shaken to pieces, crushed, and then absorbed. If (when) SF is dismantled it will mean the end of main event status women’s MMA

They are throwing years of work away to go chasing legend of Fedor.

Keep firing Assholes!

Thanks to Bisping's reenactment of the Battle of Cowpens, walla walla walla I'm an idiot.

by Ubernoober on Aug 3, 2009 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Honestly, I would like to see Overeem v. Fedor, which is the natural fight since Overeem is the title holder.

Though, I mean honestly, Brett Rogers? There needs to be a 6 degrees of Kimbo rule, where you can’t fight for a title if you or your opponent are within 6 fights of Kevin Ferguson.

by toxic on Aug 3, 2009 6:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Anyone else bummed about SF soon to be death? The good thing is UFC will go crazy at their going out of business sale and that means even better fights in the ufc.

by poundnground on Aug 3, 2009 6:07 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

The alliance with EA Sports is not to be underestimated. EA is the big dog in video games and they are clearly on the Fedor/Strikeforce side of the fence. When they put their marketing power behind Fedor, the UFC will have a much bigger competitor than they have ever faced before.

i’m not so sure . the main reason EA is in MMA game business is probably to try and bid for the UFC when the THQ deal is up

by davec84 on Aug 3, 2009 6:09 PM EDT reply actions  

to follow up on he EA game, Wasn’t Randy supposed to be on the cover it would make a lot more sense, casual fans actually know who Randy is

by davec84 on Aug 3, 2009 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I strongly suggest that the cover of the EA game will be Fedor and Randy doing a version of the pre-fight staredown, and it will be called:

“EA MMA 2010: Fedor vs. Couture

by madiq on Aug 3, 2009 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Am I the only one wanting the EA curse to hold true on the MMA game too ??? Everyone that’s graced the cover of an EA Sports video game has had terrible luck the following year with severe injuries and setbacks in their careers.. It’s like karma coming your way and you didnt know to step aside… lol

by MMAuthority on Aug 3, 2009 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought that was just Madden…although to be fair, it took like 20 years for it to catch up to the guy on the cover of the Original.

by madiq on Aug 3, 2009 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

No it crossed over to the NBA series as well.. And also caught up to Tiger Woods after they released his game on EA.. Boxing is the one that I’m not too sure on because Fight Night never used active fighters on their cover..

by MMAuthority on Aug 3, 2009 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mike,

As always, you contribute a lot to this website. Great analysis. And it’s spot on. They will be fighting the UFC for every free agent, which is a fight they can’t win.

And what happens if Fedor loses? They are completely exposed.

by AlwaysRelaxing on Aug 3, 2009 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or what if Gina misses weight and then gets owned by Cyborg? They are not that far away from having EliteXC’s level of reliance on a few marque fighters.

by Jahbulon on Aug 3, 2009 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I completely agree.. especially since they didnt get any financial backing from CBS on the deal.. It was strictly SF/Showtime.. So it comes to a matter of how much they were willing to lose.. Again never throw good money and bad money..

Poor decision on SF part.. I think they got lost in translation like all previous suitors.. Because hhistory had a pretty clear vantage point for them to view… Well let’s see how long they can ride that horse before it falls down…

by MMAuthority on Aug 3, 2009 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

It might not have been all Strikefore’s decision. Showtime has a good amount of power in this relationship. The fact that CBS is willing to pay $500,000 a fight for Fedor means they are completely convinced they can make money on the deal.

This is another reason why the UFC doesn’t want any bad TV deals. They want people out of their decision making.

by AlwaysRelaxing on Aug 3, 2009 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

CBS isnt putting anything into the deal at all.. Only Showtime…

SF/Showtime secured the deal.. CBS is the parent company to Showtime but did not have anything to do with Fedor’s deal..

by MMAuthority on Aug 3, 2009 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great point. They got Fedor but now can they keep everybody else? Will they be able to afford new stars? The depth of their roster is not great. Signing Fedor could drive up all the other fighters price tags.

by dedstrk316 on Aug 3, 2009 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not only that but now they are backed into a corner where they need ppv… So they will invest everything within the next year for one ppv event. After taking a piss Dana will make a phone call to counter program with a big card on free TV. End of the Game.

by mmalogic on Aug 3, 2009 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

And imagine… just imagine…. That the moons align just right…. And a network deal comes Zuffa’s way just in time for Strikeforce to put a PPV on. I can see it now….

Showtime PPV: Fedor vs. Rogers
UFC on ABC: Brock Lesnar vs. ANYBODY

I will not have witnessed such a brutal beating since seeing Passion of the Chris in theaters in 2004….

by AlwaysRelaxing on Aug 3, 2009 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Passion of the Chris?

I don’t think they’re actually going to let him kill me... And if he does kills me, book sales will really go up. Boom…win-win, bitch.- Forrest Griffin on Anderson Silva

by ufc4 on Aug 3, 2009 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I’m a Chris and let me tell you, there is passion. Oh if my computer screen could talk…

by Chris Barton on Aug 3, 2009 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

"I will not have witnessed such a brutal beating since seeing Passion of the Chris in theaters in 2004…."

I just wanted to tell you that was brilliant. I’d Rec but I’m on my phone.

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by funnytiger on Aug 3, 2009 10:28 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

any idea how many fights the names you mentioned, have left with strikeforce? just curious when that could potentially become a factor.

by woooburn on Aug 3, 2009 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

LMAO

"Frank Mir had a horseshoe up his ass. I told him a year ago. I pulled it out of him and I beat him over the head with it." Brock Lesnar

by pitbull187 on Aug 3, 2009 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Line of the year right there.

by sadface on Aug 3, 2009 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I had to rec this

There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

by misterjonez on Aug 3, 2009 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

That really was a damn good line.

Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken

by Richard Wade on Aug 3, 2009 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’s only a game changer until he loses and even then I don’t think of Fedor as being able to draw all kinds of new viewers. Kimbo was able to because of the buzz from his youtube stuff and because of the way he looks. Fedor will have to put on some AMAZING performances to get to that level. Which he is capable of of course.

The EA game won’t mean much to the casual fan. Like it or not UFC is the drawing power in MMA. UFC is the Bentley of the MMA world while Strikeforce is like a Honda Accord that’s been souped up a bit. When you get down to it it’s still an Accord.

The fans will be the winners in all of this because we get to see Fedor fight some decent guys (I think he loses to Overeem) and the UFC will be putting on some AMAZING free counter programing and will now be pulling out all the stops. The UFC has some deep pockets and will do everything in their power to show Strikeforce up.

Fedor just lost any chance he had at beating Brock.

by dedstrk316 on Aug 3, 2009 6:15 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

get ready for some awesome free UFC counter programming woo hoo!

by pandaboy99 on Aug 3, 2009 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

One other thing:

“Look at what (Showtime and CBS) were able to do with a fighter like Kimbo Slice,” Millen says. “Imagine what will happen once Fedor is exposed to the mainstream. Fedor could be 100,000 times bigger than a Kimbo Slice, because he’s a true MMA fighter.”

Jerry Millen, business genius.

by Michael Rome on Aug 3, 2009 6:16 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Jerry/Gary Millen, the one person who can unite the internet against him.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Aug 3, 2009 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

put him in a cage with Fedor i’d pay anything to see that

by davec84 on Aug 3, 2009 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

How about a head stomping competition with Wanderlei Silva?

Keep firing Assholes!

Thanks to Bisping's reenactment of the Battle of Cowpens, walla walla walla I'm an idiot.

by Ubernoober on Aug 3, 2009 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

even better

how about Brock takes that horseshoe and beats him over the head with it

by davec84 on Aug 3, 2009 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Headlock punch-to-face competition with Lesnar
Knees in the clinch competition with Anderson Silva
Tight pants competition with Aoki.

Keep firing Assholes!

Thanks to Bisping's reenactment of the Battle of Cowpens, walla walla walla I'm an idiot.

by Ubernoober on Aug 3, 2009 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pie-eating contest w/ Tim Sylvia
Back-pedaling contest w/ Kalib Starnes

I don’t think they’re actually going to let him kill me... And if he does kills me, book sales will really go up. Boom…win-win, bitch.- Forrest Griffin on Anderson Silva

by ufc4 on Aug 3, 2009 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rochambeau contest with Kongo.

Keep firing Assholes!

Thanks to Bisping's reenactment of the Battle of Cowpens, walla walla walla I'm an idiot.

by Ubernoober on Aug 3, 2009 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Beauty contest with Yoshihiro Akiyama

I don’t think they’re actually going to let him kill me... And if he does kills me, book sales will really go up. Boom…win-win, bitch.- Forrest Griffin on Anderson Silva

by ufc4 on Aug 3, 2009 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Piss drinking competition with Machida
Litigation with BJ

Keep firing Assholes!

Thanks to Bisping's reenactment of the Battle of Cowpens, walla walla walla I'm an idiot.

by Ubernoober on Aug 3, 2009 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sleeping in the octagon competition with Michael Bisping

I don’t think they’re actually going to let him kill me... And if he does kills me, book sales will really go up. Boom…win-win, bitch.- Forrest Griffin on Anderson Silva

by ufc4 on Aug 3, 2009 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Extra-long choke competition with Babalu.

Keep firing Assholes!

Thanks to Bisping's reenactment of the Battle of Cowpens, walla walla walla I'm an idiot.

by Ubernoober on Aug 3, 2009 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bird-flipping contest with Brock Lesnar.
English-speaking competition with Tito Ortiz

I don’t think they’re actually going to let him kill me... And if he does kills me, book sales will really go up. Boom…win-win, bitch.- Forrest Griffin on Anderson Silva

by ufc4 on Aug 3, 2009 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hand-speed competition with Vito Belfort
Ugly competition with Matt Lindland

Keep firing Assholes!

Thanks to Bisping's reenactment of the Battle of Cowpens, walla walla walla I'm an idiot.

by Ubernoober on Aug 3, 2009 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Syringe-filling competition with Josh Barnett
Ducking competition with Fedor

I don’t think they’re actually going to let him kill me... And if he does kills me, book sales will really go up. Boom…win-win, bitch.- Forrest Griffin on Anderson Silva

by ufc4 on Aug 3, 2009 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Petrolium Jelly production with GSP
Mud bogging with Matt Hughes

Keep firing Assholes!

Thanks to Bisping's reenactment of the Battle of Cowpens, walla walla walla I'm an idiot.

by Ubernoober on Aug 3, 2009 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hearing competition with Matt Hammill (too far?)
Staying healthy competition with James Irvin

I don’t think they’re actually going to let him kill me... And if he does kills me, book sales will really go up. Boom…win-win, bitch.- Forrest Griffin on Anderson Silva

by ufc4 on Aug 3, 2009 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Staying calm and composed with Gilbery Yvel

Keep firing Assholes!

Thanks to Bisping's reenactment of the Battle of Cowpens, walla walla walla I'm an idiot.

by Ubernoober on Aug 3, 2009 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Being interesting contest with Chuck Liddell

I don’t think they’re actually going to let him kill me... And if he does kills me, book sales will really go up. Boom…win-win, bitch.- Forrest Griffin on Anderson Silva

by ufc4 on Aug 4, 2009 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Public speaking contest with Dan Henderson.

Keep firing Assholes!

Thanks to Bisping's reenactment of the Battle of Cowpens, walla walla walla I'm an idiot.

by Ubernoober on Aug 4, 2009 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good tattoo artist contest with Alan Belcher.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Aug 4, 2009 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Joe Riggs could take him

I don’t think they’re actually going to let him kill me... And if he does kills me, book sales will really go up. Boom…win-win, bitch.- Forrest Griffin on Anderson Silva

by ufc4 on Aug 4, 2009 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Winning competition w/ Fedor.

"Not everything that is faced can be changed. But nothing can be changed until it is faced."
-James Arthur Baldwin

by FredPancake on Aug 3, 2009 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Awww

When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift

by Derek Suboticki on Aug 3, 2009 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Winning competition w/ Fedor Machida.

Fixed AND fulfilling my contractual obligations with Machida Karate.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Aug 3, 2009 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

What else does that job involve, urine taste-tester? :P

I don’t think they’re actually going to let him kill me... And if he does kills me, book sales will really go up. Boom…win-win, bitch.- Forrest Griffin on Anderson Silva

by ufc4 on Aug 3, 2009 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ah no, I like how he fights and carries himself, his personal habits such as that I leave for him to do.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Aug 3, 2009 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL

Yeah man, I love the guy too, I wish he had a little bit more of a challenge for his first title defense but at least I don’t have to worry about him losing. Can’t wait to see him fight Rampage next year- and it will be Rampage he will fight next.

I don’t think they’re actually going to let him kill me... And if he does kills me, book sales will really go up. Boom…win-win, bitch.- Forrest Griffin on Anderson Silva

by ufc4 on Aug 3, 2009 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m also looking forward to this fight(Rampage-Machida). If the Rampage that fought Chuck and Hendo shows up it will be a helluva fight. But, if the ‘Page that fought Jardine shows up he’s in trouble.

"Not everything that is faced can be changed. But nothing can be changed until it is faced."
-James Arthur Baldwin

by FredPancake on Aug 4, 2009 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I don’t know, it seems like sometimes he goes out just looking for that one punch KO and forgets all the other skills that got him to where he is today and that’s really frustrating.

I don’t think they’re actually going to let him kill me... And if he does kills me, book sales will really go up. Boom…win-win, bitch.- Forrest Griffin on Anderson Silva

by ufc4 on Aug 4, 2009 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

This is true also. ;)

"Not everything that is faced can be changed. But nothing can be changed until it is faced."
-James Arthur Baldwin

by FredPancake on Aug 3, 2009 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha, you made a funny!!!!:P

but really, that man is dumber then a brick wall. there are very few people i cant stand outhere, but he is one of them. i wouldnt be surprised if he had a big poster of Fedor in his room with roses around it.

Everyone has a game plan, untell they get hit.

by mma is #1 on Aug 3, 2009 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

CBS/Showtime didnt do any of that though.. The platform was laid by his Youtube audience.. EliteXC was the ones building him up.. CBS/Showtime didnt make them do anything.. The only thing CBS/Showtime did was secure their marker on the retainer and give them a time slot for them to be broadcast on.. The started to help on the financial side of things until Pro Elite defaulted on the loan.. The plug was going to be pulled before Kimbo got knocked out.. That was sort of the straw that broke the camels back.. CBS had to front the money for the venue on the last show because Pro Eltie was bust.. They basically told them at that venue they were done from there on out..

Jerry Millen is an idot .. He knows jack about business and would be the first one to run a lemonade stand in the ground.. He’s best locked in a room and not allowed to speak in any public forum..

by MMAuthority on Aug 3, 2009 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

How many people have paid to watch Kimbo fight on TV?

100,000 times 0 is still 0 Gary.

by Phildo on Aug 3, 2009 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Critics panned Emelianenko’s decision to turn down a big-money offer from the UFC, deriding him as purposely avoiding the best competition. But most misunderstood the parameters of his arrangement with M-1 and failed to recognize that his weight division is one of the few in MMA that features strong talent outside the UFC.

This came from Gross?

by The Bronzeville Bully on Aug 3, 2009 6:23 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Does that surprise you?

by filipinomix2oo0 on Aug 3, 2009 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I thought he was smarter than that

by The Bronzeville Bully on Aug 3, 2009 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

smarter than that? Yikes!

by sadface on Aug 3, 2009 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

“Not necessarily,” Afromowitz said when asked about the possibility. “Fedor is the top heavyweight in the world, (but) I wouldn’t say that’s definite that he’s fighting for the title.”

So he signed a lesser deal with StrikeForce to go on premium cable where there are much less eyeballs and his first fight is not only not for a title, it will be a warm up fight against a can?

Emelianenko, a former PRIDE champion who owns a 30-1 career record (and 24-fight win streak), was announced as Strikeforce’s latest signing today. Afromowitz confirmed it’s a three-fight deal.

So he declined a potential 6 fight deal to sign a 3 fight deal for less money?

But even convincing recent victories over Tim Sylvia and Andrei Arlovski (two former UFC title-holders) hasn’t completely swayed public opinion. And last week, when UFC president Dana White said a deal with Emelianeko was unlikely because of the fighter’s manager’s demands that the UFC must co-promote with his M-1 Global brand, many said Emelianeko was simply ducking the UFC’s impressive list of top-10 heavyweights.

If it walks like a duck, quack like a duck…

by cyph on Aug 3, 2009 6:25 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

We get it, you hate Fedor.

"Not everything that is faced can be changed. But nothing can be changed until it is faced."
-James Arthur Baldwin

by FredPancake on Aug 3, 2009 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Next time try refuting something I wrote. Or do you want to compare how hardcore you are instead?

by cyph on Aug 3, 2009 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

If someone can confirm that he was restricted by this, then I will lay off him.

I don’t mind watching Fedor on CBS. If it’s Showtime, I’m going to have to find a stream.

by cyph on Aug 3, 2009 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Fedor said it in an interview with Sherdog, I believe.

Twitter: @Mike_Fagan_13
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by Mike Fagan on Aug 3, 2009 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Would you believe everything Dana says? He’s only 10% UFC owner, Fedor is 20% M-1 owner.

by cyph on Aug 3, 2009 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Furthermore

If Fedor told the UFC that he’s already under contract, then the UFC would not even bother offering any terms as the negotiation would be already dead before it started. If he’s already under contract with M-1, then how would he be under contract with the UFC? By co-promoting, they obviously have to modify the original contract (if that were the case which I doubt). Don’t forget that the UFC is not signing a contract with M-1 (whereby they are loaning out Fedor), but they were noegitating on signing the contract with Fedor with the inclusion of co-promotion with M-1. That is subtle difference but a very strong one. If they can modify the original contract at will, then Fedor bringing up contract restriction is pure bullshit.

Fedor isn’t a saint. People need to wise up to this guy.

by cyph on Aug 3, 2009 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Whats to say SF makes it through the length period of full filling the terms of said deal anyways..

M-1 is not the bad guys in this ordeal.. No one is really the bad guy.. Fedor ducked out on the UFC.. There is no way to spin it.. He turned down a bigger offer against stiffer competition for less money and lesser competition..

No matter how you look at it.. Fedor ducked the UFC for some particular reason… What’s to say they are as open to court him at the next demise ?? When the hardcores turn on you, he really has no one left to appease, while it’s obvious he doesnt hold his fans in high regards.. I mean Tito of all people put up a poll to let his fans vote, which swayed his decisions.. He made a great statement.. It’s about competition…. Some guys want it consistently.. other’s run duck and hide…

by MMAuthority on Aug 3, 2009 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I really, really like Fedor as a fighter…. but this is really hard to argue against. It makes me a sad panda.

by Chris Barton on Aug 3, 2009 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

And he is a partial owner of M-1 too…. Which means he could himself void his contract at any point and make himself a free agent to fight anywhere.

You know, I have a lifetime contract with AlwaysRelaxing Incoporated. Nobody can sign me up as a fighter unless they co-promote with my company.

see how that works?

by AlwaysRelaxing on Aug 3, 2009 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m almost willing to bet that Fedor’s 3 fight contract with the UFC would equate to a greater amount of money that the total net worth of M1 Global’s entire holdings.. So being a “minority” owner of a company who’s entire net worth is shorter than your individual net worth is not something to really hold onto..

by MMAuthority on Aug 3, 2009 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is there anyone on the planet who believes this “3 fights with M-1” nonsense is anything more than spin and desperate PR straight from Vadim? Anyone?

by Take It Easy! on Aug 3, 2009 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

People get released from contracts all the time.

If only Fedor or his manager was friendly with the management of M1…

by Phildo on Aug 3, 2009 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

That reminded me of when Urijah asked Dana to talk to the owners of the WEC for him to get a raise.

by Chris Barton on Aug 3, 2009 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

So when is his next fight on an m-1 card?

I don’t think they’re actually going to let him kill me... And if he does kills me, book sales will really go up. Boom…win-win, bitch.- Forrest Griffin on Anderson Silva

by ufc4 on Aug 3, 2009 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Even if I try to discuss something w/ you, you’ll just change the subject(like subo).

"Not everything that is faced can be changed. But nothing can be changed until it is faced."
-James Arthur Baldwin

by FredPancake on Aug 3, 2009 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

And every time you discuss anything, you defend Fedor’s indefensible actions.

When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift

by Derek Suboticki on Aug 3, 2009 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

And you defend Brock/UFC.

"Not everything that is faced can be changed. But nothing can be changed until it is faced."
-James Arthur Baldwin

by FredPancake on Aug 3, 2009 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

What's wrong with that?

Brock and UFC rule! All hail King Dana!

I don’t think they’re actually going to let him kill me... And if he does kills me, book sales will really go up. Boom…win-win, bitch.- Forrest Griffin on Anderson Silva

by ufc4 on Aug 3, 2009 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Isnt this better for the Brock Fedor fight? It just means itll happen 3-4 fights from now when fedor clears out strikeforce. The excuse of brock is green is no more 1-2 years from now. Three UFC hw champion fights from now the true undisputed UFC hw will be crowned because brock will have defended his belt against carwin or velasquez or dos santos. Thus the making one of the biggest fight in MMA history. That is of course if neither loses in those next 3-4 fights.

by pandaboy99 on Aug 3, 2009 6:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Let me clear up who has what fight footage:

Fedor only rights to his affliction fight footage outside of North America. People think he also has his pride footage because it was used on his countdown. NO. FSN has certain rights to the pride footage because they used to air pride content.

So strikeforce will not be able to use any of his previous footage except for probably the matt lindland fight.

by mmalogic on Aug 3, 2009 6:30 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

What about HMC?

Keep firing Assholes!

Thanks to Bisping's reenactment of the Battle of Cowpens, walla walla walla I'm an idiot.

by Ubernoober on Aug 3, 2009 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah they probably have that too.

by mmalogic on Aug 3, 2009 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe they’ll just use the Meat Puppets to simulate his fights.

Then again, since all of his recent opponents is in the EA game, maybe they’ll get EA engineers to simulate all his wins from existing fight footage with video game graphics.

by madiq on Aug 3, 2009 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fedor in the UFC would’ve been fun. I’ll settle for Strikeforce, though. Even if there a handful of opponents for him, it’ll be nice to finally see him in action once more.

I specializes in grammar fail.

by a tommy point on Aug 3, 2009 7:03 PM EDT reply actions  

And they’ll probably let him beat up Josh Barnett on New Year’s Eve too…

by madiq on Aug 3, 2009 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

The mediocre numbers Fedor puts up with Strikeforce will just make the UFC’s job of signing him easier. They don’t need him; he needs them.

by Take It Easy! on Aug 3, 2009 7:40 PM EDT reply actions  

People like Michael Smith should stop justifying the draw of Fedor saying that while casual don’t know him, the hardcores do. It’s pretty clear that Fedor has alienated a good proportion of his hardcore following, so really by signing with Strikeforce he has done himself a bit of damage.

by brad23 on Aug 3, 2009 8:12 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

But hardcore fand are notorious for saying they’ll never watch again, and then doing so…so it remains to be seen whether the alienation will be permanent.

by madiq on Aug 3, 2009 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

This times one million

The people that bitch about no UFC competitor and watch fights illegally have no one to blame but themselves. They’re not paying any fighter’s bills.

btw I only stream what I can’t watch live in a legal way (and maybe Wargods)

When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift

by Derek Suboticki on Aug 3, 2009 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I just wish they would legalize PRIDE everywhere.

by Chris Barton on Aug 3, 2009 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gotta green that

I don’t think they’re actually going to let him kill me... And if he does kills me, book sales will really go up. Boom…win-win, bitch.- Forrest Griffin on Anderson Silva

by ufc4 on Aug 3, 2009 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Its legal, but is it ethical?

Keep firing Assholes!

Thanks to Bisping's reenactment of the Battle of Cowpens, walla walla walla I'm an idiot.

by Ubernoober on Aug 3, 2009 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wargods cares not for ethics!

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Aug 3, 2009 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

rec'd

I don’t think they’re actually going to let him kill me... And if he does kills me, book sales will really go up. Boom…win-win, bitch.- Forrest Griffin on Anderson Silva

by ufc4 on Aug 3, 2009 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rec'd for
Fedor looks a little doughy (I know, I’m just saying) while Lesnar looks to the public eye like he was chiseled out of a block of steroids. Fedor doesn’t speak English, Lesnar yells a lot and kind of scares people even when he’s being nice.

by Chris Barton on Aug 3, 2009 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe you’re the one in denial? just saying.

"Not everything that is faced can be changed. But nothing can be changed until it is faced."
-James Arthur Baldwin

by FredPancake on Aug 3, 2009 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or maybe he's the smartest man alive

I don’t think they’re actually going to let him kill me... And if he does kills me, book sales will really go up. Boom…win-win, bitch.- Forrest Griffin on Anderson Silva

by ufc4 on Aug 3, 2009 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe, depends on your perspective.

"Not everything that is faced can be changed. But nothing can be changed until it is faced."
-James Arthur Baldwin

by FredPancake on Aug 3, 2009 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right Fedor is a huge draw and he is going to make Strikeforce a household name and make them alot of money just like he has everyother mma org he’s ever fought for. It’s one thing to disagree about somethings that’s fine it’s another to live in this fantasy world that alof of people like Gross and others are where facts don’t matter I prefer to live in the real world.

by Raker on Aug 3, 2009 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Fedor is a big draw in Japan, just not in the USA where people don't know him..

If Fedor

"Not everything that is faced can be changed. But nothing can be changed until it is faced."
-James Arthur Baldwin

by FredPancake on Aug 3, 2009 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Whoops, continued..

is marketed correctly he could be a draw in the USA. Plus Scott Cokers job is to make Strikeforce better, which includes signing the best fighters available.

"Not everything that is faced can be changed. But nothing can be changed until it is faced."
-James Arthur Baldwin

by FredPancake on Aug 3, 2009 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Coker's job is to keep his employees employed

And that involves not competing with the UFC for free agents.

When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift

by Derek Suboticki on Aug 3, 2009 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

So Coker should not sign the #1 fighter in the world(after he already turned down the UFC) so as to not piss off Dana? Fuck that. Be a man and do what’s best for you’re company to grow.

"Not everything that is faced can be changed. But nothing can be changed until it is faced."
-James Arthur Baldwin

by FredPancake on Aug 3, 2009 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

do what’s best for you’re company to grow.

Exactly why he should NOT have signed Fedor. How well did Pride, Bodog, and Affliction grow with Fedro?

And it’s your.

I don’t think they’re actually going to let him kill me... And if he does kills me, book sales will really go up. Boom…win-win, bitch.- Forrest Griffin on Anderson Silva

by ufc4 on Aug 4, 2009 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

*your

You have to bet big to win big, and SF wasn’t going to get a shot better than this. At some point SF was going to have to make their move, we all knew they weren’t going to be content w/ being #2 to the UFC forever.

"Not everything that is faced can be changed. But nothing can be changed until it is faced."
-James Arthur Baldwin

by FredPancake on Aug 4, 2009 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

*better shot

"Not everything that is faced can be changed. But nothing can be changed until it is faced."
-James Arthur Baldwin

by FredPancake on Aug 4, 2009 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Why not?

That;s the only reason they were still in business and making money

I don’t think they’re actually going to let him kill me... And if he does kills me, book sales will really go up. Boom…win-win, bitch.- Forrest Griffin on Anderson Silva

by ufc4 on Aug 4, 2009 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

There is good money to be made my promoting shows and not butting heads with the UFC. It is called a niche market.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Aug 4, 2009 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Depends on your goals.

"Not everything that is faced can be changed. But nothing can be changed until it is faced."
-James Arthur Baldwin

by FredPancake on Aug 4, 2009 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

“Being a man” and making the correct decision affecting the financial stability of dozens of your employees in a deep recession are sometimes two different things.

As Sun Tzu wrote in the Art of War, “Do not get in a pissing contest if your opponent has drunk the Yangtze River.”

Keep firing Assholes!

Thanks to Bisping's reenactment of the Battle of Cowpens, walla walla walla I'm an idiot.

by Ubernoober on Aug 4, 2009 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

What page was that?

I don’t think they’re actually going to let him kill me... And if he does kills me, book sales will really go up. Boom…win-win, bitch.- Forrest Griffin on Anderson Silva

by ufc4 on Aug 4, 2009 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

We’ll see if it was right or wrong. But, you don’t know the outcome anymore than I do.

"Not everything that is faced can be changed. But nothing can be changed until it is faced."
-James Arthur Baldwin

by FredPancake on Aug 4, 2009 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Utterly.

When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift

by Derek Suboticki on Aug 4, 2009 3:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Rec'd

This is something Fedors more delusional fanbase never seems to want to admit. PRIDE desperately wanted him to draw but he didn’t, at least not on par with a lot of their other talent.

by Chris Barton on Aug 4, 2009 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

They built the entire Yarrenoka! event around him, so I think he was just fine.

"Not everything that is faced can be changed. But nothing can be changed until it is faced."
-James Arthur Baldwin

by FredPancake on Aug 4, 2009 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

it didn’t do very well and no, it wasn’t entirely built around Fedor. Had it been it would have done much worse.

by Chris Barton on Aug 4, 2009 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

That’s your opinion, w/ no evidence to back it up BTW.

"Not everything that is faced can be changed. But nothing can be changed until it is faced."
-James Arthur Baldwin

by FredPancake on Aug 4, 2009 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Let me teach you how a rational argument works...

You made a positive claim:

They built the entire Yarrenoka! event around him
. The onus is then on the claimant (you) to provide evidence for said claim.

by Chris Barton on Aug 4, 2009 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Rec'd for truth

However you forgot a very important name, Misaki. The hype for him getting “revenge” for Sakuraba was huge… well huge for that event.

by Chris Barton on Aug 4, 2009 1:13 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Fedors was the main event, so if Aoki and Sakurai were more popular they would have been.

"Not everything that is faced can be changed. But nothing can be changed until it is faced."
-James Arthur Baldwin

by FredPancake on Aug 4, 2009 1:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

There was no “Shifting Goal posts”. I didn’t say that the Fedor fight was the ONLY important fight, only that Fedor was the marquee fight.

"Not everything that is faced can be changed. But nothing can be changed until it is faced."
-James Arthur Baldwin

by FredPancake on Aug 4, 2009 1:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Your idea of “built entire event around” isn’t consistent with reality, or with this post.

by Chris Barton on Aug 4, 2009 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Let us try this again

“I didn’t say that the Fedor fight was the ONLY important fight, only that Fedor was the marquee fight.”

"Not everything that is faced can be changed. But nothing can be changed until it is faced."
-James Arthur Baldwin

by FredPancake on Aug 4, 2009 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

And that

is you shifting goal posts. You claiming “the entire event was build around Fedor” IS saying the other fights weren’t important.

Not only that, but your argument that “Fedor was main event so he had most fan interest” doesn’t hold much water either. HW “champions” always get the headline, even if nobody gives a fuck (see Sylvia in the UFC).

Think back to how often Fedor didn’t headline PRIDE unless it was for his title. It was for a reason, because he didn’t draw like the others.

by Chris Barton on Aug 4, 2009 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Every card is built around the main event, guys.

If you’re talking about special promotion done for a special event, then that’s one thing. But every card is banked on its main event.

by asa on Aug 4, 2009 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not really...

I can give endless examples, but lets take UFC 100. It was not built around the main event, it was built mainly around 2 title fights but they also used hype from the other fights to build it.

To claim UFC 100 was built “entirely” around Brock would be foolish.

by Chris Barton on Aug 4, 2009 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Foolish because it had two main events?
To claim UFC 100 was built "entirely" around Brock would be foolish.

Wow. That’s … Are you talking to me, or did you hit the wrong reply button? I can understand how with all these comments and everything you got me confused with TedPancajkes or whatever his name is.

If yer just being angry or something, then please relax and enjoy the game. I specifically mentioned special events, like a centennial event. But you already knew that.

You’re also right that they built the card around their two main events. They also hyped up the undercard, because Dana thinks it shouldn’t be an afterthought like in boxing. Building and promoting the undercard does not mean you bank on that an undercard.

This does not prove anything about Fedor, but going forward with this information at least you’ll be able to make your argument amongst the self-proclaimed “hardcores” without being treated like a “n00b.” Good luck.

by asa on Aug 4, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I stand by disagreeing with:

Every card is built around the main event, guys.

Maybe you we’re being sarcastic about that?

by Chris Barton on Aug 4, 2009 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wrong again.

Yarrenoka wasn’t entirely built around Fedor. Fedor wasn’t even the main event. Look it up. Hayato Sakurai’s fight was placed above Fedor. Shinya Aoki was in the main event against Bu Kyung Jung. Get your fact straights before you argue about Fedor being a draw in Japan.

by filipinomix2oo0 on Aug 4, 2009 1:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Fedor fight was the main event, but they moved it up due time constraints. I have the DVD, they mention it in the commentary. So, I think you should get your facts straight.

"Not everything that is faced can be changed. But nothing can be changed until it is faced."
-James Arthur Baldwin

by FredPancake on Aug 4, 2009 1:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t know how credible that DVD is since it was produced by HDNet who was trying to market the event as “Fedor Returns” instead of by it’s Japanese title of Yarrenoka. Don’t forget what’s most appealing to American fight fans isn’t the most appealing to Japanese fight fans But if you’re right, I stand corrected.

This doesn’t change the fact that Fedor wasn’t a draw in Japan. If he was, wouldn’t they have already thrown money at him and bowed to his every demand to help their struggling MMA scene. Why try to desperately sign Cro Cop instead, a guy who Fedor beat?

by filipinomix2oo0 on Aug 4, 2009 2:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

They mentioned it during the event, so HDNets publicity team didn’t have anything to do w/ that statement. They have wanted to get Fedor back to Japan since he left. They wanted him to fight last NYE but, it was too close to the AA fight. They also thought highly enough of Fedors drawing ability that they arraigned a “Sambo Exhibition” for a recent event , thinking that even tho it wasn’t an actual fight, having Fedor appear in any fashion would bring in more fans.

"Not everything that is faced can be changed. But nothing can be changed until it is faced."
-James Arthur Baldwin

by FredPancake on Aug 4, 2009 2:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

The SAMBO “exhibition” was w/ Aoki. BTW.

"Not everything that is faced can be changed. But nothing can be changed until it is faced."
-James Arthur Baldwin

by FredPancake on Aug 4, 2009 2:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

FredPancake, let's face facts....

Fedor isn’t the “draw” you think he is.

And the sooner you realize that, the sooner we can end this ridiculous thread.

End of story.

by MetsGod on Aug 4, 2009 4:29 AM EDT reply actions  

Prove me wrong. With facts, not just opinions of a few people on BE.

"Not everything that is faced can be changed. But nothing can be changed until it is faced."
-James Arthur Baldwin

by FredPancake on Aug 4, 2009 4:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Instead of everyone proving you wrong with facts you’ll just dismiss, why don’t you attempt to prove yourself right?

by Phildo on Aug 4, 2009 8:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Because it’s easier to just say “you are wrong, I am right”. Seriously, if you’re going to tell us all that Fedor is/was a big draw in Japan and we disagree, can you refute it with facts?

by sadface on Aug 4, 2009 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Fedor is a big star in japan from what I have seen, so if you want to claim otherwise then provide proof. otherwise, it’s just hear-say.

"Not everything that is faced can be changed. But nothing can be changed until it is faced."
-James Arthur Baldwin

by FredPancake on Aug 4, 2009 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

So is your statement.

"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito Ortiz on Vitor Belfort at Affliction:DOR

by Rundownloser on Aug 4, 2009 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Again, YOU are the one making the positive claim. The onus is on YOU to provide the evidence. This is serious basic, basic stuff.

by Chris Barton on Aug 4, 2009 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

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"Not everything that is faced can be changed. But nothing can be changed until it is faced."
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by FredPancake on Aug 4, 2009 7:18 PM EDT reply actions  

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