Quote of the Day: Dana White Responds to Fedor Emelianenko Signing With Strikeforce: "Fedor Is a ****"
by Kid Nate on Aug 3, 2009 4:47 PM EDT
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"I'm in Abu Dhabi right now and my reaction is Fedor is a [expletive] joke. [He] turns down a huge deal and the opportunity to face the best in the world to fight nobodies, for no money. Fedor is a [expletive]."
Dana White speaking to Cagewriter.
As a fan who would dearly love to see Fedor in the Octagon, I really wish Dana would just shut up.
Insulting someone because he chose another offer goes a long way towards demonstrating why he didn't want to do business with you.
Fedor isn't American. He isn't coming to this from the same place as Tito Ortiz and all the other fighters that Dana has been able to insult and then kiss and make up later when the money is right.
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I agree with you Dana.
"He built his whole reputation (as a) waffle house chef. They've been serving him up ham and eggs with a side of canned tomatoes." - Don Frye on Fedor Emelianenko
by Damon O. on Aug 3, 2009 4:49 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Dana tried everything possible to get Fedor into the UFC. Either he is scared or doesn’t want to tarnish his “legacy”. Either way, Fedor comes off as the bitch. Too late…
by mjw2e on Aug 3, 2009 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Don't you dare kiss Fedor's ass
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by Derek Suboticki on Aug 3, 2009 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Wow. It’s like a merry-go-round w/Dana’s emotions. It goes from “we’ll do almost anything to get this guy” to “several asterisks”. It’s comical how unprofessional he acts & still be so damn successful.
The dude opened his wallet and made plenty of exceptions to allow stinky to come to the UFC, only to have stinky spit on the plate full of food, that’s a huge slap in Dana’s face. Dana is right to be angry, and I don’t agree with this article, I no longer worry how Dana uses his mouth to express how he feels about Fedor. If Fedor wanted to be in the UFC Fedor would be in the UFC, end of story. However Dana approaches him from now on will have no impact on his reasons to become part of the UFC rooster or not.
inside joke
hope it doesn’t get me blocked or banned, Luke seems to be a bit pissy today. in portuguese “fedor” = “bad smell”.
by Orcus on Aug 3, 2009 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Luke isn't pissy
we’re working very hard to maintain the quality of comments in our community.
Fighter bashing is the #1 rule violation at BE.
Follow me on Twitter @KidNate
If this is true then stand up for all fighters...
Not just your favs.
Be a man, not a child-Phil Anselmo
by ANance on Aug 3, 2009 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
I really wish someone from staff would respond to you
They’ve really come around Fedor while leaving guys like Tim to burn.
Nate, seriously, if the Cabbage Patch BJ at the ’Ospital is ok, can I make a whiny crying Fedor one?
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by Derek Suboticki on Aug 3, 2009 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
They won't respond tho will they?
I’ll keep posting my question patiently every time I see a warning for bashing…
Be a man, not a child-Phil Anselmo
by ANance on Aug 3, 2009 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
I will keep on rec’ing it. I think the stance on fighter bashing is a little harsh, but rules is rules and they should be upheld evenly.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Aug 3, 2009 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Good point. We need fair and balanced. But in order for that to happen, we need a good definition.
What exactly is the BE definition of “fighter bashing”?
"The path to enlightenment is through suffering"
by RearNakedChoker on Aug 3, 2009 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
yeah
and does that include the women? I’ve read so many times that cyborg has a d… wouldn’t that be considered bashing?
by Orcus on Aug 3, 2009 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Can I call Roy Nelson fat?
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by Derek Suboticki on Aug 3, 2009 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Yes, but not Fedor or BJ.
I don’t think they’re actually going to let him kill me... And if he does kills me, book sales will really go up. Boom…win-win, bitch.- Forrest Griffin on Anderson Silva
by ufc4 on Aug 3, 2009 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Exactly. If i say Cyborg has a pee pee, that’s bashing, right? If i say Fedor is a lady part, that is bashing, no?
I also don’t understand, if BE is trying to “control the quality” in the comment section, why is it OK to bash promoters and other authors?
by sadface on Aug 3, 2009 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Now don't say that
If I can’t bash shitty MMA writers from other sites then I lose a great piece of the reason I come here.
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by Derek Suboticki on Aug 3, 2009 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I know you’re being funny, but I’m serious. I’m all for opinions and I’m all for controlling the filth that is spewed online, but where is the line?
by sadface on Aug 3, 2009 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I like it better when you call him “country breakfast”. :)
"The path to enlightenment is through suffering"
by RearNakedChoker on Aug 3, 2009 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions
country fried steak works too.
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by Derek Suboticki on Aug 3, 2009 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Nice.
"The path to enlightenment is through suffering"
by RearNakedChoker on Aug 3, 2009 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions
What exactly is the BE definition of "fighter bashing"?
Well, over the last couple days Kid Nate’s definition has been “anything about Fedor or BJ that could possibly be construed as something other than unfettered praise and adoration”
I don’t think they’re actually going to let him kill me... And if he does kills me, book sales will really go up. Boom…win-win, bitch.- Forrest Griffin on Anderson Silva
by ufc4 on Aug 3, 2009 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Yup! Rec'd
Be a man, not a child-Phil Anselmo
by ANance on Aug 3, 2009 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Does anybody think Fedor made the right choice?
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If he wants to fight B level opponents & maintain / build his legacy, then he made the right choice. If he wants to be the best & become as big to casuals as he is to hardcores, then no.
I only go with 'maintain/build legacy' if
by that you mean maintain a sterling looking record. Otherwise, it’s pretty clear that at this point, he’s decidedly ducked the largest stable of talent in the world multiple times. I think he’ll always be revered, but he had an opportunity to become a timeless legend in the annals of combat sports.
As it is, he might end up with an asterisk.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
by misterjonez on Aug 3, 2009 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It's the right choice if he doesn't want to lose
As far as money, legacy, challenge and spectacle, though? Utter failure of a choice.
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by Derek Suboticki on Aug 3, 2009 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
YES!!
they never hid their agenda, which was to grow the M1 Global brand and they got what they wanted. many will say that Fedor was manipulated, but he owns 20% of M1 and will surely benefit from this contract. as a fan, i would like nothing more than to see Fedor vs. Lesnar, but i truly respect him for sticking to his agenda despite being offered a huge sum of money and a ton of fame. this is the exact opposite of what 99% of athletes do. i feel he will tear through the HWs in Strikeforce and then the UFC will be forced to make a better offer (not necessarily financial and probably not the “co-promotion” that M1 is asking for) in order to satisfy the fans.
I really really hope Brett “The Tireman” Rogers knocks Fedor out in fifteen seconds. I also hope the UFC picks him up shortly thereafter.
by traydawg on Aug 3, 2009 4:57 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
yarp.
Keep firing Assholes!
Thanks to Bisping's reenactment of the Battle of Cowpens, walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
narp?
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That's the exact same thing I said when I heard Fedor doesn't want to fight the best.
Run Fedor run.
Man standing on toilet is high on pot.
Dana, just shut up already and take a nap or something!!
Everyone has a game plan, untell they get hit.
I understand why Dana is upset,
but at this point it is crystal clear that Fedor believes his legacy is set & does not need the UFC or their competition to help.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
by dnevil001 on Aug 3, 2009 5:01 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Fedor is obviously never going to sign with the UFC, so might as well nuke that bridge and discredit the competition.
Keep firing Assholes!
Thanks to Bisping's reenactment of the Battle of Cowpens, walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
100% agreement with this stmt & I am sure this was a calculated move
on Dana’s part & not an emotional outburst like so many here may think.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
why would Fedor ever want to sign with a org that talks about him this way?
"I’m not going to stop yelling because that would mean, I lost the fight!"-Kenny Powers
shooter/cutter for AllElbows.com
He wasn’t going to sign with them to start with. Lets get real, the co-promotion bit was something stuck in there to make sure the UFC negotiations would fail same as the open contract demand was two years ago. This is about what M-1 wants and Fedor is obviously willing to be a part of that and go in that direction. Talking bad about him can be their next big excuse once they drag Zuffa to the negotiations table in order to get a better offer from someone else.
I love this quote by Millen
This does not close the door on Fedor fighting Brock Lesnar," Millen says. "It just means now it would be Strikeforce, M-1 Global and UFC.
Wow. I wonder who his dealer is?
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by funnytiger on Aug 3, 2009 5:05 PM EDT reply actions 9 recs
I’d spend the night in jail for kicking his ass, I don’t care. I’d like to say “it’s nothing personal” but it is, his whole act just offendeds every sense of being I have in me.
"You guys are jerking eachother off with some pseudo deep bullshit." - Kid Nate
by Kaleb Kelchner on Aug 3, 2009 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Agree completely,
he offendeds me as well.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
well...
obviously now M-1 and Strikeforce are willing to take the risk of a 3 way cross promotion…
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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 3, 2009 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn’t sell him a bag if my life depended on it.
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by Derek Suboticki on Aug 3, 2009 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions
You should…Just charge double and lace it with something nasty.
"The path to enlightenment is through suffering"
by RearNakedChoker on Aug 3, 2009 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I never understood people that thought I laced their weed. Like I’m going to give you free drugs.
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by Derek Suboticki on Aug 3, 2009 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions
What did they think you were lacing it with?
Out here in Cali there was a fear of bug spray being sprayed directly on the weed out of Mexico (to get you higher supposedly) for a few years. I never knew anyone who actually smoked any of it though, probably more of an isolated incident that grew to urban myth proportions. That rumor died out as soon as the mass hydro transition came into effect.
We did have some enterprising cholos around here who would lace their herb with PCP at no extra charge, (and without the customer’s knowledge) probably in an effort to gain more customers. Needless to say, they went out of business pretty quick.
It’s funny, ’cause it got so widespread it was parodied in the movie Friday.
"The path to enlightenment is through suffering"
by RearNakedChoker on Aug 3, 2009 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions
ooo!
sell him a bag of catnip and say its KB! hehe…
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Or fuck it, just sell him a bag of oregano. He seems dumb enough to buy it. But don’t forget to charge double!
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by RearNakedChoker on Aug 3, 2009 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Rec'd
Typical Dana White, throwing a tantrum like a spoiled 3 year old girl because Fedor doesn’t want to play with him.
Dana White, very classless
And I am glad that Kid Nate did not hesitate to point that out. Seems I was wrong when I said that he was part of the zuffa propaganda machine. Sorry.
But this quote alone says all.
Who want to word under that conditions if they can have a better relation with another org?
Like most jobs, I’ll take that kind of money the UFC offered, wether I hated my boss or not. Especially when I could just go through Lorenzo rather than Dana.
"You guys are jerking eachother off with some pseudo deep bullshit." - Kid Nate
by Kaleb Kelchner on Aug 3, 2009 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Fedor has money don’t worry. M1 has to pay him a lof to fullfill their contract.
Then he is humble and have small expenses. I heard that he bought a house for his mother and that he drives a car offered by his city.
Do you know Fedor? Have you seem Fedor’s bank account numbers? If not then you don’t have a clue what he does or doesn’t have, none of us do.
What are you talking about?
You are the one who is making up Fedor not being paid.
Maybe Lesnar’s purse has been stolen by martians, I am sure you like that story.
Yes he’s getting paid but how much? Vadim said in an interview a couple of weeks ago Fedor got $300k a fight and the rest (including sponsorships) went into M-1. People act like Fedor is some kind of multi-millionaire but honestly we don’t have a clue about how much money he actually earns or has. Unless you actually know something factual then it’s all just internet talk.
M1 released a statement today saying that they had to pay Fedor more than what the UFC offered (a little less than 2 millions according to multiples sources) under his current contract..
Fedor was paid 300k by Affliction, but M1 has to pay Fedor too and they take a cut for their developpement too.
fedorM-1 was getting PPV %’s in affliction
Fixed.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
if that is true
fedor was getting f’ed over by his own ppl. how can he only get 300k with no PPV’s % for himself, while timmey was getting 800k? and he’d be okay with that? I’m starting to agree more and more with Dana.
Fedor owns part of M-1 (I think the rumor was 20%), It’s an investment on his part. Make of that what you will.
Starting this again?
I’m still waiting for a report from outside UFC headquarters about Vadim’s management.
Luke mentioned he has heard bad things about Finkie and M-1 on his radio show.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
If True
I want someone to actually put their name on the line and publish it. No one ever has problem reporting a story that rips Dana White and he is infinitely more powerful. I’m waiting for someone step to the plate, otherwise it’s really just rumors and hearsay.
I’d rather have respect than money. Plus it isn’t like he’s fighting for peanuts and won’t be on national tv.
It’s crazy how poor the structure in MMA is. Where the top guy has to go to the challengers rather than the other way around and then proclaim he’s scared. (Even though he’s fighting legit fighters as well.)
People can hate on boxing but at least in boxing anyone can make a fight with anyone.
at least in boxing anyone can make a fight with anyone
…
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Aug 3, 2009 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Um no in boxing anyone can’t make a fight with anyone, they have to jump through promoter hoops and sanctioning body hoops and the distribution outlets hoops to get a fight. Just because Boxing isn’t broken up into organizations doesn’t mean that it isn’t firmly divided.
by who me on Aug 3, 2009 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Promoters work together plenty of times. Hell Don King just did a fight with Gary Shaw promotions. Fights can be made especially if it’s big enough. Keep missing the point.
As for sanctioning bodies, guys vacate them all the time to do fights.
Klitschko is the heavyweight champ what fighter is being blocked from fighting him because of promotional issues? When a top contender emerges the fight will be made.
my reasonings for not using boxing as examples is that
boxing is a dying sport. If we were to introduce boxing politics into MMA I wouldn’t give MMA a long life line.
And you have bought into propaganda. Boxing is far from a dying sport and millions are being made especially worldwide.
WE DON'T WANT MMA TO TURN OUT LIKE BOXING
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by Derek Suboticki on Aug 3, 2009 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Guys make the sanctioning bodies meaningless but yes if you pay the promoters enough then you can get fights to happen, of course your talking about paying silly amounts of money and a lot of negotiations and getting HBO or Showtime to back it all(and it helps if the promoters actually don’t hate each other). It’s not just some magical “hey lets get these guys to fight each other” deal it’s a mess that can sometimes take years to get put together.
Promoters work for their fighter. If fights are big enough (whether it be financially or for divisional supremacy) they get them done. A lot of fighters fight on foreign tv in their home countries because they’re making millions over there. Boxing is huge outside the US and people, wrongly, only view American interest as the end-all to boxing’s state.
Fights between different promoters happen literally all the time. If Fedor and Brock were under the boxing structure, without question a fight would have been made.
And right there is the point, you don’t know that would happen. Heck if these guys were promoters instead of organizational owners they would still not want to work with each other, the international issue adds to that too. You just can’t say “well if this was boxing the fight would get done” because that just isn’t by any means a certainty.
Fedor is losing respect by doing this
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by Derek Suboticki on Aug 3, 2009 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You hate Fedor unless he’s in the UFC. We get it already.
"Not everything that is faced can be changed. But nothing can be changed until it is faced."
-James Arthur Baldwin
Funny, I never said hate.
I hope he’s paying you well.
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by Derek Suboticki on Aug 3, 2009 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
IF I SEE ONE MORE "FUCK FEDOR" or "FEDOR IS A BITCH" COMMENT
You’re banned for life. Try me.
by Luke Thomas on Aug 3, 2009 5:09 PM EDT reply actions 10 recs
For your entire life? Even if I make a comment about Fedor, then devote my life to inner city kitten rescue and disarming landmines in Angola I still won’t be able to come back?
Keep firing Assholes!
Thanks to Bisping's reenactment of the Battle of Cowpens, walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
Do you use the kittens to set off the landmines?
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by Derek Suboticki on Aug 3, 2009 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Aug 3, 2009 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Oh my
Bigger plz
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by Derek Suboticki on Aug 3, 2009 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions
So Dana is banned?
(please please don’t ban me, I can’t not make this joke)
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
Thank you for keeping things clean here Luke!
"You guys are jerking eachother off with some pseudo deep bullshit." - Kid Nate
by Kaleb Kelchner on Aug 3, 2009 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Good work Luke.
"The path to enlightenment is through suffering"
by RearNakedChoker on Aug 3, 2009 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions
He's serious too
I mean, check out the all caps in the title
I don’t think they’re actually going to let him kill me... And if he does kills me, book sales will really go up. Boom…win-win, bitch.- Forrest Griffin on Anderson Silva
Serious - just for a second
I’m confused. “F*** Fedor” isn’t fighter bashing. It’s just an expression of rage, and in this case, disappointment. I mean you aren’t saying much of anything about Fedor in that case except that you don’t like him. And if I write: “I don’t like Paul Buentello” that won’t get me banned.
Calling him a bitch is tasteless – and as a guy who likes women, feminizing somebody isn’t a put-down in my mind. We’re in accord there.
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Yes, but you could at least contribute a opinion, like why you’re mad.
"Not everything that is faced can be changed. But nothing can be changed until it is faced."
-James Arthur Baldwin
Well, I guess that’s where something like “Fedor is a *” would come in handy. :-)
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huh?
“…and as a guy who likes women….”
Really? REALLY NOW? ;)
One of the few on this board.
Not that there’s anything wrong with that.
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by jemaleddin on Aug 4, 2009 6:54 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
haha….what in fact does “banned for life” mean? can I no longer look at the website? will you be able to track my computer and block me from setting up another name? (in case that happens look for jjgersh…..Luke will never know!) If i sign-on to my buddies screename, will you know its me?
I dont know another website that regulates the comments sections more than this site. is this tmz.com? or cocks*cker.com?
I am pretty sure the “no calling people names” rule came about because you guys all got picked on in high school and this is your payback!!!!!!
by jgersh on Aug 3, 2009 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
All I know is this :
If someone gets banned, I see that same person easily get another screen name and return with guns-a-blazing.
this site may be more strictly moderated but it’s not so sophisticated that it blocks IP addresses…..
That can only be a good thing – you’re encouraging other people to have sex with Fedor. And don’t we all want him to have an active and exciting sex life with as many options as he needs?
Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- I blog at TangleBones - you should follow me on Twitter here.
I gotta admit I love when Dana flies off the handle like this, all these crybabies who get really delicate when it comes to swearing need to get over it.
Dana is pissed off and he should be, I really hope everyone remembers this moment because from now on The UFC is going to fuck over SF and this will be the day it all came to ahead.
I can’t tell if this is Dana-bashing or Fedor fanboy nut-hugging.
Fedor is content on playing in the minor leagues so his professional record will always be ??-1. Bottom line.
And why do people hate on Dana so much anyway? Do you really want Bill Rhodes, Muhtar Kent, or Alfred Verricchia running the world’s preeminent MMA organization?
by Screwface on Aug 3, 2009 5:18 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
In my defense, Luke
I started typing out that post before you posted the banning post.
by Screwface on Aug 3, 2009 5:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm not sure anything really happened with Dana's statement.
He’s said similar things in the past, although never quite as pointedly. At this point, we’ll get to see M-1 bleed yet another organization dry, and Fedor will for the first time face the real possibility that his actions will tarnish his legacy.
The guy’s an amazing fighter, but you can only tool around the big leagues for so long, before it becomes a big negative in the eyes of the fanbase.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
^should read
“can only tool around the OUTSKIRTS OF the big leagues”
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
and I fail to reply to my own post. brilliant.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
by misterjonez on Aug 3, 2009 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Well I’m sort of torn by this. I wanted to see Fedor in the UFC, and I think it’s a bit weak of him to opt to fight at a smaller org. But on the other hand I like the job that Strikeforce is doing and I think it’s great that they got Fedor and he didn’t go back to Japan to fight freakshow events. I just only hope Fedor doesn’t send them broke.
I'm 100% with Dana
As a business owner, I totally understand where White is coming from.
Look at it this way: let’s say you run a car company, a very successful car company. Let’s say you sell more cars than any other company, but a lot of people really love the engine that powers an obscure, but coveted car. If you could make a deal with the maker of the engine for the engine itself, and it would help you sell cars then that’s a good deal.
However, if the only way the competitive car manufacturer will sell you its engine is to slap its logo right next to your logo on every car you make — and for this right they want 50% of your profits — that’s a bad deal. You’re promoting a competitor and giving too much money away.
Dana may want the engine, but the car is a piece of crap. I don’t see what value M-1 brings to the UFC. In the US, you may as well call it Fedor, Inc.
How can you be with White?
Not signing Fedor because of a copromotion , totally ok, I would have done the same.
But beginning to insult a fighter because he will fight in another organization, this is retarder. Dana White should learn how to keep himself calm and professional.
Fedor signing in Strikeforce is not a slap in his face. It’s jut business. UFC will be fine without Fedor, Fedor will be fine without UFC.
White has a problem going personnal like that. Russians probably hate that and that might have played against the UFC.
As a business owner, I understand his frustration of not being able to close the deal, but that in no way excuses his lack of professionalism.
I’ve always admired what Dana & the Fertittas have done for our sport. It would never be where it is today without them. That being said, you just don’t talk to people that way. American, Russian, Martian, it doesn’t matter. You speak to a grown man that way, you better be prepared to back that shit up with your fists, ‘cause them’s fightin words. The worst kind of people are those who talk that kind of shit because they know they won’t have to pay any physical repurcussions. It’s like teasing a dog that’s tied to a tree only because you know he can’t bite you. FUCK those kinds of people. Those people are the REAL bitches. If Dana thought for ONE second that Fedor, or any of these other fighters he talks that kind of shit about, would whoop his ass, I personally believe he would shut up REAL quick. Or more simply, if Dana wasn’t the president of the UFC, he would never talk to/about these guys like that. Period.
This quote helped me decide where I stand on this issue. I’m with Fedor. Fuck money. Fuck fame. Fuck the fans who turned on him. Fedor maintains his legacy in my eyes because he’s his own man. He chose self respect and refused to deal with a man who feels it’s ok to call people bitches, punks, chumps, etc.
I would have loved to see Dana try to talk to people like that when he was a fucking bellhop with his little balding haircut. Wouldn’t happen. The guy makes some bucks and shaves his head, and all of a sudden he’s a badass? FUCK that.
"The path to enlightenment is through suffering"
by RearNakedChoker on Aug 3, 2009 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions
no bald-guy bashing please...lol
Be a man, not a child-Phil Anselmo
by ANance on Aug 3, 2009 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
D'oh!
"The path to enlightenment is through suffering"
by RearNakedChoker on Aug 3, 2009 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Fedor will only hurt himself being in Strikeforce
If he wins, he’s not beating anybody that casual fans will say is impressive.
Once he loses though…..
Done.
Strikeforce should’ve signed Kimbo when they had the chance.
Fedor destroying Kimbo would’ve given him a popularity boost, more than anyone else on the current Strikeforce HW roster.
At the very least, ESPN would’ve talked about it.
by MickDawg on Aug 3, 2009 5:28 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Thing everyone is ignoring:
What is Dana doing in Abu Dabi? UFC Middle-east expansion stuff I hope.
Keep firing Assholes!
Thanks to Bisping's reenactment of the Battle of Cowpens, walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by Ubernoober on Aug 3, 2009 5:30 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
watching houston alexander compete in competitve grappling
by crinow on Aug 3, 2009 5:30 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
I’ve known Houston for almost 10 years. I didn’t even know he competed in grappling events. He should’ve stuck to breakdancing and djing, at least you can’t get KO’d as often when doing those things.
But seriously, I love Houston, he’s an awesome guy.
by Screwface on Aug 3, 2009 6:09 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Please. Fedor never has a never will want to sign with the UFC and it has nothing to do with Dana insulting him.
www.mma-elite.com
your right about that . it has to do with he is a afraid to face real competition against ufc guys in their prime
by SHOWMAN 56 on Aug 3, 2009 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Co promotion has never been negotiable for both parts. I don’t see why Fedor should fight in the UFC if they don’t want to copromote while he wants to expand M-1. It makes no sense. Fedor is a fighter, but he is working hand in hand with M-1. The UFC came here to negociate but M-1 was clear from the begining (that’s why we had no hope for this contract until the Time started with BS), co-promotion or GTFO. He still tried, now he blames fedor.
You don't look like a Tanaka.
i hope alstair and dana can put a puts crushin on those russians
it will be great to see fedor lose badly to overeem because than fedor and m1 would lose all their luster .plus dana is going to counter the fedor fight on a showtime with a free ppv event on spike.
dana is right
they gave fedor the brass ring but he spit in their face
Fedor turned down their deal
they’re the ones calling him names in public
Follow me on Twitter @KidNate
Way to go Fedor. Sure, UFC is the toughest, but Strikeforce is next, and they have Fedor.
BTW, Strikeforce is a great show. Always enjoyable. Fedor vs Erin Toughill, they finally found her an opponent.
Dana's mouth
I think Dana finally found a fighter he couldn’t verbally slap around without consequence.
I would have preferred Fedor in the UFC, I think M-1 Global’s plans interfered with the deal with UFC, but I think ultimately Fedor sided with M-1 Global simply because he didn’t like Dana and his often classless tirades.
Not to take anything away from nate, but it’s really obvious who is out of his mind right there.
You don't look like a Tanaka.
what does Dana benefit by insulting Fedor?
How does he help the fans or the UFC?
Follow me on Twitter @KidNate
by Kid Nate on Aug 3, 2009 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
KID, BE REALLL!!!!!!
how does fedor signing with strikeforce help the fans kid?!?!?! BE REAL!!! fedor doesn’t care about the fans and doesn’t care about putting on the fights the fans want to see, so i don’t blame dana because he DOES want the best fights for the fans and DOES want to put the best against the best
by cagefightonacid on Aug 3, 2009 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
that being said....
i do appreciate you (kidnate) as a journalist…. i just don’t buy into the fedor-zombies’ hype
by cagefightonacid on Aug 3, 2009 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I for one, like honest responses.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Aug 3, 2009 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
No wonder Fedor doesn't trust Dana.
Would you want to work for a guy who says things like this about you?
"Not everything that is faced can be changed. But nothing can be changed until it is faced."
-James Arthur Baldwin
On the plus side, we get to see Fedor fight in an octagon!
Also if either Cain or Shane beat Lesnar then the whole Fedor vs. Lesnar thing might become less of a big deal. The only downer is the Strikeforce deal being a multi-fight deal, if thia ia more than three fights then there’s probably no chance Fedor will ever fight in the UFC. If only 3 then maybe there’s a chance – remember when Dana was calling Cro-cop worse than shit then he ended up signing with the UFC?
Anyway lets hope Fedor’s transition from ring to octagon is well – must add Strikeforce’s broadcasts are usually awful, hope they get a new broadcasting team!
"IF" cain/ Shane beat Lesnar....
….BIG “IF” there….
I think Fedor might slip up and lose before Lesnar does. Wouldn’t that be hilarious.
I mean….What will Kid Nate do if that happened? Perhaps this :
spikes next original b-movie
Its the Russian mafia vs the Vegas mafia. Vegas’ foul mouth front man insults the head of the Russian Mafia and much killing ensues.
by son of miss the mark on Aug 3, 2009 5:49 PM EDT reply actions
some scary Italian American guys
just came to the door and told me I better shut up or there gonna f*** my * up and then ** ** ** * with a * in the * for starters I shoulda just agreed with Dana Fedor is a ****
by son of miss the mark on Aug 3, 2009 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Fedor is a proud guy
He will beat the “great” fighters in Strikeforce and then retire.
We will think of him as we do Rickson Gracie.
What could’ve been if he wanted to fight the best.
If Fedor beat Brock then retired, then you would still bitch about him not fighting the next “contender”.
"Not everything that is faced can be changed. But nothing can be changed until it is faced."
-James Arthur Baldwin
Yes, I would
Brock wouldn’t have been the only matchup I want to see in the UFC.
He hasn’t cleared his division. So why would I be satisfied with him only beating Brock?
By the time he beat the guys you want him to fight now, there will be more “up-and-comers” for him to fight, so it’s a never ending cycle. Fedor doesn’t need you’re approval.
"Not everything that is faced can be changed. But nothing can be changed until it is faced."
-James Arthur Baldwin
Fedor doesn't need my approval?
No shit.
No fighter needs my approval.
It’s an opinion, dummy.
That’s fine.
BTW, name-calling is for children. ;)
"Not everything that is faced can be changed. But nothing can be changed until it is faced."
-James Arthur Baldwin
No, it's not
It’s uncalled for…but it isn’t for children.
It show you’re not intelligent enough to think up an actual argument.
"Not everything that is faced can be changed. But nothing can be changed until it is faced."
-James Arthur Baldwin
No.
There was no argument needed there, cuz I agree.
Fedor doesn’t need my approval.
The insult is an add-on, because you stated the obvious like it’s a great reply or something.
Your “Fedor doesn’t need your approval” is no different than ending an argument with “Anything can happen in a fight”.
"Anything can happen in a fight".
Is a legit response if some noob is talking about a fights outcome as if it’s a foregone conclusion.
"Not everything that is faced can be changed. But nothing can be changed until it is faced."
-James Arthur Baldwin
Uh..OK
Watch some noob argue Kimbo would take Fedor out…
Then counter-argue “Anything can happen in a fight”…
“Anything can happen in a fight” should never enter a discussion.
It already goes without saying.
No
Kimbo would have a puncers chance(Like Serra-GSP I).
"Not everything that is faced can be changed. But nothing can be changed until it is faced."
-James Arthur Baldwin
Who are the best
He could fight guys like Werdum/Overeem/Rogers/Roger Gracie, and possibly Monson, Kharitonov, Barnett (in Japan), Antonio Silva…
That are good fights.
UFC had the super fight with their champion Lesnar. But who after? Couture , Carwin, Dos Santos? Good but not better than these outside.
this^
Agreed.
"Not everything that is faced can be changed. But nothing can be changed until it is faced."
-James Arthur Baldwin
Doesn't sound that impressive to me.
Seriously
Werdum is a good fight with Fedor?
Maybe Overeem, after he roided up.
Brett Rogers…why?
Roger Gracie? Who cares right now.
Monson…give me a break.
Kharitonov…not interesting at all.
Barnett is the only fight that was a GREAT fight. And he’s a fukkin roider too.
Antonio Silva….can he make 265?
Seriously, almost all of the names you mentioned were from Pride.
Those matches weren’t that interesting then.
It doesn’t interest me now.
lol
Great arguments
"Not everything that is faced can be changed. But nothing can be changed until it is faced."
-James Arthur Baldwin
Past Brock what does UFC really have that is better?
Not too many people give Randy a chance. Carwin is similar to Rogers and you can even argue Cain presents a grappling match similar to Werdum.
Rogers is more fluid and athletic than Carwin and Werdum is a better grappler than Cain.
"Not everything that is faced can be changed. But nothing can be changed until it is faced."
-James Arthur Baldwin
What's Roger's record
Why would any MMA fan care about a guy that’s 2-0 that hasn’t fought anyone in the top 50?
Yeah, put him up with Fedor so you elitists wannabes can be “satisfied”.
Rogers is not 2-0, you’re ignorance is exposed.
"Not everything that is faced can be changed. But nothing can be changed until it is faced."
-James Arthur Baldwin
OK.
What’s his record then?
And who has he beaten?
Not your personal encyclopedia. You have Google, USE IT.
"Not everything that is faced can be changed. But nothing can be changed until it is faced."
-James Arthur Baldwin
Sherdog fight finder says 2-0.
Wikipedia says 2-0
So unless you come up with a reliable source outside of those two (not saying wiki is reliable)….I’m going to say you’re a dumbass.
Oh, there I go again with the name calling.
How juvenile.
Copied and pasted directly from Wiki
Win 10-0 Andrei Arlovski KO (Punches) Strikeforce: Lawler vs. Shields June 6, 2009 1 0:22 St. Louis, Missouri
Win 9-0 Abongo Humphrey TKO (Strikes) Strikeforce: Shamrock vs. Diaz April 11, 2009 2 1:38 California, United States
Win 8-0 Jon Murphy TKO (Punches) EliteXC: Primetime May 31, 2008 1 1:01 New Jersey, United States
Win 7-0 James Thompson KO (Punches) EliteXC: Street Certified February 16, 2008 1 2:24 Florida, United States
Win 6-0 Ralph Kelly Submission (Strikes) EliteXC: Renegade November 10, 2007 1 1:43 Texas, United States
Win 5-0 Josh Melichar KO EFX – Fury February 1, 2007 1 0.09 Minnesota, United States
Win 4-0 Mark Racine TKO EFX – Fury December 17, 2006 1 2.38 Minnesota, United States
Win 3-0 Brian Heden KO EFX – Fury November 1, 2006 1 Minnesota, United States
Win 2-0 Stan Strong KO (Punch) UCS – Throwdown at the T-Bar July 30, 2006 2 0:14 Minnesota, United States
Win 1-0 Chris Clark TKO EFX – Fury May 3, 2006 1 Minnesota, United States
"Not everything that is faced can be changed. But nothing can be changed until it is faced."
-James Arthur Baldwin
10-0 w/ his biggest win being AA(Ranked#2) is your answer.
"Not everything that is faced can be changed. But nothing can be changed until it is faced."
-James Arthur Baldwin
Oh..
Shit, I was talking about Roger Gracie.
AA was not #2 when he fought Rogers. He was #2 when he fought Fedor.
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by Derek Suboticki on Aug 3, 2009 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yes, he was # 2
People kept him @ #2 b/c of his impressive performance b4 he got caught.
"Not everything that is faced can be changed. But nothing can be changed until it is faced."
-James Arthur Baldwin
Stupid people, perhaps.
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by Derek Suboticki on Aug 3, 2009 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
he was only #2....
because he was slated to fight fedor in the first place…. watch brett rogers or whoever cruise up the rankings before the fedor fight
by cagefightonacid on Aug 4, 2009 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Are you talking about Roger Gracie?
Roger Gracie (2-0) is a very interesting prospect, and it’s a shame he’s off the Strikeforce show, but the rest of us are talking about Brett Rogers, the guy who knocked out Arlovski in 22 seconds.
Carwin has a wrestling background to fall back on but for the most part he is just like Rogers in that he totally relies upon a huge right hand.
I’m not sure who is better in regards to Werdum or Cain but neither has much KO power and there style wouldn’t be necessarily be called common-Joe friendly.
This is a good argument. Mick should read you’re posts to educate himself.
"Not everything that is faced can be changed. But nothing can be changed until it is faced."
-James Arthur Baldwin
I'm not buying Mick's or any similar argument
The only big fight in the UFC Fedor would be missing is Lesnar. Win or lose Fedor wouldn’t fight Carwin or Cain for another 2 years. He’d facing the old man circuit of Randy, Nog and CroCop . . . UFC might even throw in Chuck.
Werdum and Rogers would be more relevant on a competition level.
Competition level? Give me a break.
Werdum over Dos Santos?
Why would Rogers be more relevant than Cain or Carwin?
Rogers KO’ed chinny Arlovski and THAT’S IT.
Where is the Rogers hype coming from?
Tell me…I would like to hear it.
But it’s not easy to corner Arlovski to pounce on that chin. The win over Arlovski is a bigger notch than anything Cain or Carwin have recorded which is probably why people have jumped on the Roger wagon.
I’m not even arguing that Cain or Carwin aren’t better fighters than Werdum or Rogers. If Fedor signed with UFC he simply would not be offered those two to fight. UFC would see too many dollars having Fedor fight Randy, Nog and Crocop.
Yeah, it’s not easy.
And I was surprised Brett Rogers made it look easy.
And you’re right, those wouldn’t be the first fights offered.
But if those guys earned the shot, they will get it within 2 years.
In Strikeforce, anybody with any hype will get their shot.
There’s a limited filtering process there.
Hell, look at the scramble they had to go through after Barnett dropped out.
By not easy you mean you have to use the bum rush technique?
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
Yeah, that is a good argument
But Werdum got KO’ed by Dos Santos, who is 2-0 in the UFC.
Cain is still unbeaten, and will still need to prove himself too.
One will emerge after Brock.
Maybe Rogers is Strikeforce’ Brock, who knows.
I’d rather have him in the UFC.
I feel the HWs previously mentioned have a much better chance to go from their existing org to the UFC…rather than UFC HW’s going from the UFC to the other orgs.
Guys on winnings streaks go to the UFC, not the other way around.
Rogers is more fluid and athletic than Carwin
LMAO, if by fluid you you mean flabby.
I don’t think they’re actually going to let him kill me... And if he does kills me, book sales will really go up. Boom…win-win, bitch.- Forrest Griffin on Anderson Silva
Yeah, that’s just insane.
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by Derek Suboticki on Aug 3, 2009 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions
That athletic guy has bigger boobs than my old lady.
I don’t think they’re actually going to let him kill me... And if he does kills me, book sales will really go up. Boom…win-win, bitch.- Forrest Griffin on Anderson Silva
Rickson Gracie
You mean that guy who says he can beat everyone but ignores the times he has lost?
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
When did Rickson lose?
"Not everything that is faced can be changed. But nothing can be changed until it is faced."
-James Arthur Baldwin
Rickson has at least one loss — from the 1993 U.S. Sambo Championships in Norman, Oklahoma, where he was defeated by American Ron Tripp by Total Victory via uchi-mata in 45 seconds. Rickson disputed this loss, claiming he was misinformed of the rules of the event.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
You said "losses" . As in plural.
Also that loss is very controversial.
"Not everything that is faced can be changed. But nothing can be changed until it is faced."
-James Arthur Baldwin
common you guys
rickson is from a different era, we can’t use today’s standards to the days of rickson.
Kid Nate, your perspective is very wise. This is the exact reason why Fedor doesnt want to sign with the UFC.
“fedor isnt american, he isnt coming into this from the same place as tito” so why did he sign with strikeforce, isnt that primarily an american organization. i hope dana makes a insult rap song, about fedor, like eminem made one from m carey and nick cannon.
by realblood33 on Aug 3, 2009 7:52 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Everyone hates Brock
and after he torched Mir, it looks as though no one is going to be able to touch him. This has everyone clamoring for Fedor. Now take what youre feeling about Brock now, and look 2 years ahead where he has cleaned out the UFC HWs… what can Fedor get for a UFC fight then?
I’ll agree, Dana would have been a lot more interesting and a lot more scary if he would have said.
“It’s too bad, in the end I think Fedor will regret his terrible choice.”
but we get the very predictable DW crying.
by pr0cs on Aug 3, 2009 9:38 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
New Comment From Dana..
I feel sorry for the real fans! I wanted to make the deal but it takes two and it is VERY obvious Fedor doesn’t want to fight the best and doesn’t give a [expletive] about the fans.
—From Cagewriter
by Anton Tabuena on Aug 3, 2009 10:53 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
Haven’t seen you in the scrum. What’s your take on the situation?
Keep firing Assholes!
Thanks to Bisping's reenactment of the Battle of Cowpens, walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
lots of different emotions actually..
as a fan, im a bit bummed that we might not see brock vs fedor.. but sorta happy im gonna get to see him fight guys like rogers and overeem.. (after that i’ll be back to wanting him to sign with another promotion)
And about strikeforce, I’m want to be happy for them, but it’s hard cause they might have just bought a ticked to the cemetery with this move… They declared war with the UFC, plus they might have gone away from their usual business strategies.. I don’t want them to go broke, but if they do (knocks on wood) i hope they take M1 global with them..
that way, fedor would trully be a free agent.. or at least i hope that he would be..
by Anton Tabuena on Aug 4, 2009 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions
I think this is
the worst possible move by Fedor, I am guessing he is taking less money. If so then I don’t think he will ever see another contract like the one the UFC offered him. I think one of the heavyweights in StrikeForce will get a lucky KO and his luster will be gone, I can see Rogers knocking him out on CBS and Strikeforce going the way of eliteXC
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