The War Has Just Escalated...
by mmalogic on Aug 3, 2009 4:32 PM EDT
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PrintZuffa has just sent Strikeforce a cease and desist regarding the Babalu versus Mousasi fight... expect the same for Fedor's engagement.
The war already started between Zuffa and Showtime years ago and this is simply a different chapter in the same saga. Showtime's new proxy: Strikeforce... EA and potentially CBS coming into the mix - there are multiple fronts in play.
Zuffa's pay scale has already been gearing up to preempt this and many don't realize the Affliction "collaboration" has more implications than meets the eye.
With Zuffa's warchest increasing by the minute and more revenue streams being added by the day expect the payscale to continue its increase.
My bloody elbow brothers probably expected an apology from me as "I guaranteed Fedor's next fight would be in the UFC"... and rightfully so after hearing the strikeforce/fedor announcement.
But pay heed my brothers as you've only seen half (Zuffa's amazing offer) of why I guaranteed it... The other half - the stick - is yet to be pulled out.
Always bet on Zuffa.
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Like when they signed Fedor?
"All I guarantee is Violence" - Wand
If you try to shoot the devil in the back, you’d better not miss.
by Jahbulon on Aug 3, 2009 4:34 PM EDT reply actions 8 recs
If you’re gonna hire Machete to kill the bad guys, you’d better make sure the bad guy isn’t you.
by dt3 on Aug 3, 2009 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions
RIP Strikeforce, remember “it wasn’t the UFC who put you out of business it was you’re own stupidity that put you out of business”.
They poked the bear.
Keep firing Assholes!
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by Ubernoober on Aug 3, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
"He built his whole reputation (as a) waffle house chef. They've been serving him up ham and eggs with a side of canned tomatoes." - Don Frye on Fedor Emelianenko
by Damon O. on Aug 3, 2009 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I just googled bear attack to find a funny picture in response…don’t make the same mistake I did.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
I just puked in my mouth. I knew it was a bad idea to see what you were talking about… I just didn’t know how bad an idea it was. :(
However this does show up =D
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Aug 3, 2009 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
why send the C&D – explain logic
Yes, time flies. And where did it leave you? Old too soon...smart too late. - Mike Tyson
They’re trying to tie everyone up in court by suggesting it’s illegal for them to fight for anyone else besides Affliction, I believe.
And is this under the assumption that the UFC bought out Affliction’s assets? Or is this just a tactic by the UFC to stop these shows from happening?
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by Leland Roling on Aug 3, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m not certain, but I believe these fighters are still under contract for one more fight with Affliction and because Affliction isn’t promoting another show they can’t fight elsewhere. I’m not 100%, but it’s something along these lines.
ok, kinda like when EXC went under
Yes, time flies. And where did it leave you? Old too soon...smart too late. - Mike Tyson
Something like that… but a little more complicated.
The bottom line is these fighters need to settle there Affliction contracts before they can do anything.
by mmalogic on Aug 3, 2009 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The contracts don’t become void when Affliction folded as a promotion? Or does Zuffa have some kind of deal with Affliction concerning the contracts?
Forgive my ignorance, I don’t know anything about contract law.
Sherdog suggests otherwise.
But maybe that means they just agreed to stop putting on events and still technically exist as a promoter.
And yet legally, it makes a huge difference. If sports are a game of inches, then the law is a game of millimeters.
by AlwaysRelaxing on Aug 3, 2009 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Ahh, that’s a shitty ordeal for those fighters.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 3, 2009 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
No
NOTHING UFC does is shitty for fighters. You hear me?
BOOSH
by Farthammer on Aug 3, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yep, pretty crappy ordeal. Instead of fighting, they’ll get caught up in a legal hassle.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 3, 2009 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
Fighters want to fight. But UFC doesn’t like the situation so they are taking their ball and going home, so nobody can play.
BOOSH
They can play all they want…in the UFC.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Aug 3, 2009 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
they FIRED Babalu
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by Kid Nate on Aug 3, 2009 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Babalu fired himself with his own stupidity.
I don’t think they’re actually going to let him kill me... And if he does kills me, book sales will really go up. Boom…win-win, bitch.- Forrest Griffin on Anderson Silva
by ufc4 on Aug 3, 2009 5:29 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 7 recs
Following that logic
David Heath choked himself out with his own trash talking.
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by ElliotMatheny on Aug 3, 2009 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Incorrect
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 3, 2009 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Heath’s trash talking didn’t put anyone’s life in danger.
I don’t think they’re actually going to let him kill me... And if he does kills me, book sales will really go up. Boom…win-win, bitch.- Forrest Griffin on Anderson Silva
Stop overexaggerating
A few seconds on a choke like that does not put you in danger.
OK, sorry doctor, you’re right, cutting off air to the brain doesn’t cause any permanent damage as long as it’s only for a few extra seconds.
I don’t think they’re actually going to let him kill me... And if he does kills me, book sales will really go up. Boom…win-win, bitch.- Forrest Griffin on Anderson Silva
If we’re being SUPER nit picky, blood carries oxygen to the brain. :)
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Nah,
super nit-picky would be that hemoglobin binds to oxygen, and is found mainly in Red Blood Cells, which are generally found in the blood.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
Except Heath’s, whose blood cells were found all over the cage floor.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Aug 4, 2009 3:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Its a violation of an unspoken agreement. “If I tap, you’ll release the submission”
If someone taps in MMA competition, and the ref steps in you must release the submission. Holding a potentially dangerous submission move is an ultra-dick move.
Keep firing Assholes!
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AND he said he planned it
Them’s the breaks
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 3, 2009 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
They chose not to re-sign Babalu after that incident. Of course they dropped him after the first loss to Liddell too. The UFC drops fighters all the time and brings them back later. It’s not beyond reasoning that they would take Babalu back now (although Babalu seems to be doing fine for himself as a bigger fish in a smaller pond).
Nobody said they couldn't fight
They just have to do it under the UFC banner.
If this were in 15th century Italy Dana, Vladdy, and Coker would be wearing silly hats and trying to poison each other’s food.
Keep firing Assholes!
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by Ubernoober on Aug 3, 2009 4:38 PM EDT reply actions 9 recs
So, lemme get this straight...
This is part of the whole Zuffa bought Affliction’s assets ordeal?
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I guess logic wasn't so wrong after all
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 3, 2009 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Lets not jump to any conclusions...
This could just be more shit thrown against the wall while we wait to see if it sticks…
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Yeah, he was. It’s just that now it’s some sort of prolonged way around the fact… that he was wrong. All these bullshit rumors… makes me just think these are guesses at what may happen.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 3, 2009 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The cease and desist on the Babalu vs Mousasi fight may have a different reason for happening than the UFC mad about Fedor signing too(although it gets to the same issue).
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2009/8/3/976226/fedor-lied-to-gegard-mousasi-was
Yeah, that’s a horseshit lie in my opinion at this point. Everyone on the UG knows CindyO is a UFC shill on those forums, so pardon me for not falling for that just yet. I want to hear Mousasi confirm that.
If Mousasi confirms that, I’ll throw Vadim under the massive bus because Fedor is probably being lied to as well.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 3, 2009 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
She gets called a shill by most of the random anonymous people but a lot of the people on there in the actual industry give her credit as what she is: someone with connections who knows Dana White personally.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
I’m not giving credit right now. I also am not lending truth to this rumor either. SF didn’t announce anything yesterday, so what’s the story? Coker seemed completely unphased by anything in his radio interview.
And this rumor has nothing to do with Dana White, so I’m not sure how reliable this will be. It could very well be reliable, and I would love to see it be reliable.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 4, 2009 6:31 AM EDT up reply actions
I guess I am just getting sick of people in general attacking those who choose to share inside information for whatever reason. Yes most people who do so are doing it with a purpose, but they don’t need to be attacked for it. Take what they say with a grain of salt and move on. Not saying you Leland, but people in general.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
We will know soon enough(she’s a UFC shill but I didn’t think she would boldfaced lie about something like that), if that was true then you know Mousasi won’t keep his mouth shut about it. Thing is if that is true it changes the complexion of this story too. Them serving the C & D on Strikeforce may of had nothing to do with the Fedor signing or them declaring ecomomic war on Strikeforce it may be because of a bad faith negotiation.
All this crap...
Could happen, but the fact is that the initial GUARANTEE that he was signing was wrong.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 3, 2009 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Sooooooooooo......
the comments you made about Brock vs Fedor at UFC 103 were more wishful thinking than “inside info”?
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by Gunslinger20 on Aug 3, 2009 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions
He allowed for wiggle room on that prediction.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 3, 2009 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm gonna get off your jock now man
but I’m still calling you Bruce Wayne.
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by Gunslinger20 on Aug 3, 2009 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m not sure this is a smart move on the UFC’s part. They’ve clearly got public opinion on their side right now (even among hardcores). I don’t think fans will react to positively if they perceive the UFC as standing in the way of them seeing fights they’re looking forward to.
Did Strikeforce lose the pr battle when they kept Jake shields? No, they protected their rights. Zuffa is protecting its rights.
by mmalogic on Aug 3, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I want you to be correct because I want to see Fedor and Mousasi in the UFC, but I don’t think the Jake Shields situation is analogous.
it’s the same exact thing.
Shields was very very public about wanting to go to the UFC and he tried hard to get out of his elitexc contract, but couldn’t.
by Phildo on Aug 3, 2009 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeap, same exact thing. He has even eluded to (but can’t actually directly say) he is stuck in Strikeforce until the contract runs out.
Strikeforce was playing hardball with these guys. And that was okay with everybody. Now Zuffa does it and people complain.
by AlwaysRelaxing on Aug 3, 2009 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Great info...
Watching the UFC deal with their competitors is like watching a killer whale with a seal pup. It’s almost not fair.
That’s business.
Microsoft & Goggle do the same thing in the tech world.
This is competition at it’s finest.
by AlwaysRelaxing on Aug 3, 2009 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I wonder how much Showtime and CBS are willing to put into a fight with Zuffa. Winning this battle has to be worth more to Zuffa. I expect they will put far more time and resources into it.
If nothing else I’m sure it’ll get ugly. And I hope we don’t miss out on too many good fights.
Showtime & CBS won’t want to spend millions on lawyers. Their goal is to make money quickly, not lose $45 Million before turning a profit like Zuffa.
Always bet on the guy who has more invested (both emotionally and financially). And that is Zuffa.
This means nothing to Showtime because it’s just a tiny part of their business.
by AlwaysRelaxing on Aug 3, 2009 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Only took a week for the UFC to find a new arch enemy.
Big orgs need enemies to focus their efforts on, or they’ll get all soft and lazy like GM did back in the 60s and 70s.
Keep firing Assholes!
Thanks to Bisping's reenactment of the Battle of Cowpens, walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
Damn, I knew the UFC was going to put Strikeforce in it’s sights, but not at all did I expect the first move by the UFC to be made this fast.
This is what happens in business when you piss off the biggest bully on the playground. You get bullied, hard.
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Sounded to me more like a suggestion,
as in ‘sit back, strap in, and pay (for) head, cuz this is gonna be a long process.’
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
I'm stoked for..
UFC 103 Brock vs. Fedo- Oh.. Wait..
by TennesseeTopTeam on Aug 3, 2009 5:16 PM EDT reply actions
It aint no lie...
Baby, bye, bye, bye (strikeforce)! Bye! Bye! Zuffa will get nsync back together for one night only when they kill strikeforce next.
by poundnground on Aug 3, 2009 5:21 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
That should be an automatic lifetime ban.
I don’t think they’re actually going to let him kill me... And if he does kills me, book sales will really go up. Boom…win-win, bitch.- Forrest Griffin on Anderson Silva
by ufc4 on Aug 3, 2009 5:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
Really corny. 1999 wants their pop culture reference back.
by filipinomix2oo0 on Aug 3, 2009 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions
The lame store called
they said they want their shitty jokes back
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by ElliotMatheny on Aug 3, 2009 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Yeah, well the JERK store called
And they’re running out of YOU!
j/k
I don’t think they’re actually going to let him kill me... And if he does kills me, book sales will really go up. Boom…win-win, bitch.- Forrest Griffin on Anderson Silva
by ufc4 on Aug 3, 2009 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Zuffa has just sent Strikeforce a cease and desist regarding the Babalu versus Mousasi fight…
According to Greg Savage from Sherdog radio it is indeed true.
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by Venom77 on Aug 3, 2009 5:29 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Very interesting info. Keep us update mmalogic. I wonder if any of the other insiders on this site such as Luke or Brent have heard anything about this as well and can update us with some info.
the babalu thing isn’t going anywhere (having already had a contract as a strikeforce fighter). the fedor thing is. i’ll leave it at that as it is really all the info I have
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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 3, 2009 5:38 PM EDT reply actions
What about Mousasi?
Keep firing Assholes!
Thanks to Bisping's reenactment of the Battle of Cowpens, walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
I should have said...
“the babalu/mousasi thing isn’t going anywhere”
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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 3, 2009 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Someone please tell me what viewers Fedor will be bringing to Strikeforce that it didnt already have?? People who know Fedor already know and watch strikeforce. They will find this was a big misstep on their part.
Jerry Millen sez Fedor is 100 000x the draw Kimbo is.
100 000 × 6 000 000 = 600 000 000 000.
Fedor will draw 600 billion viewers in his debut.
Keep firing Assholes!
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by Ubernoober on Aug 3, 2009 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Jerry Millen says a lot of stupid shit
I don’t think they’re actually going to let him kill me... And if he does kills me, book sales will really go up. Boom…win-win, bitch.- Forrest Griffin on Anderson Silva
by ufc4 on Aug 3, 2009 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
Misstep, yeah. But Fedor will get a big bump if he preforms well on the same card as Carano (assuming Carano is still alive after the cyborg fight.). Then Fedor could be Money in the bank.
Brett Rogers has been extremely impressive on multiple cards featuring both Gina and Kimbo, and he speaks English. Is Brett Rogers “money in the bank”?
perception is more important then reality. Is he money in the bank? no, but he is a 1-D fighter that is overvalued because of his performance in the spotlight. If he were touted as the number one HW in the world and fought in the main event while Carano was on the undercard, then he might be a HUGE draw.
I’m agreeing with most of this, in that people who tune into Showtime to see Fedor, are mainly the ones who already know who he is.
It will be easy to build up Fedor, but they need big names for him to beat up on. Beating Rogers or even my boy Overeem, will NOT gain him a lot of fans. So I guess we can expect to see Fedor vs Ken Shamrock pretty soon.
If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.
What Fedor fight footage can they use to build him up? All they can do is talk about his prior fights. Unless they want to show the HMC or Lindland fight.
Maybe they have a tape of him losing that sambo match.
I don’t think they’re actually going to let him kill me... And if he does kills me, book sales will really go up. Boom…win-win, bitch.- Forrest Griffin on Anderson Silva
by ufc4 on Aug 3, 2009 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Good point!
Expect all the Fedor fight videos on Youtube to dissapear very soon.
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by Well Read Idiot on Aug 4, 2009 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Disappear.
'He built his whole reputation as a waffle house chef. They’ve been serving him up ham and eggs with a side of canned tomatoes' - Don Frye on Fedor Emelianenko
by Well Read Idiot on Aug 4, 2009 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Stick to the smilies.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Aug 3, 2009 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Damage control?
mmalogic, what happenned to the “guarantee”, Fedor will fight in UFC “guarenteed”.
You should admit you were wrong and stop making propaganda for Zuffa.
This time, the UFC lost and did not sign the fighter they wanted. It can happen to everyone.
Zuffa has just to move and take it like professional.
Ill say im wrong and never post again if Fedor enters his next fight in something other than an Octagon.
by mmalogic on Aug 3, 2009 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Fedor already signed with Strikeforce.
If the papers are done and signed, they probably can’t and won’t change their opinion. They choose Strikeforce. Signing a contract is more than wanting to put pressure on the UFC. They really want to fight in Strikeforce.
What it looks like is going on here is that Fedor had one or more fights left on his Affliction contract and now the UFC holds those assets. This gets us into a situation where things can get tied up in court for months or even years going back and forth. Heck there was talk coming from M-1 and Affliction that they were about to sign a long term contract together, that could really make this a mess if that deal was done.
It’s also not a UFCcentric thing either, Strikeforce took EliteXC to court when EliteXC signed Frank Shamrock and he still had Strikeforce fights on his contract. It really sucks ass but this stuff happens. Honestly the whole situation is going to make me sick but lets not act like this stuff doesn’t happen in the business world every single day.
Randy Couture also signed with Mark Cuban… what happened to that fight?
by mmalogic on Aug 3, 2009 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
So Logic
Are you saying that Strikeforce is going to pay the Octagon licensing fee? YES!!!
I keed!
I dunno man. At first I didnt like you and your potty mouth. Then you cleaned up your act a bit and started giving us glorious revelations of the future. :) Then… that last “Fedor in UFC gauranteed” stuff hurt :(
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by xFenixKnightx on Aug 3, 2009 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions
so you’re telling me there’s a chance
by mmalogic on Aug 3, 2009 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
GSP: I pulled my groin.
Greg Jackson: I don't care Georges! HIT HIM WITH YOUR GROIN!
by xFenixKnightx on Aug 3, 2009 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Looks like Coker has lost some weight.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 3, 2009 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions
THANK THE LORD, PAY HEAD BROTHERS!
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by Leland Roling on Aug 3, 2009 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Fedor never was signed with UFC or even with Affliction.
He is under a M1 contract and M1 has an agreement with Strikeforce. As simple as that.
I hope the UFC does not play the butthurt card. White should stop acting like a child.
The UFC could not sign Fedor, another org is happy to do that. Where is the problem?
Fedor was signed with Affliction, at one time he was North American exclusive and I think before the January card he became worldwide exclusive. There was also talk coming out of M-1 and Affliction a month or so ago that they were real close to a long term contract on Fedor. There is a real chance here that the legal mess will go very deep.
You really need to cut out the acting like a child bit here. Yes calling names is acting like a child but this kind of legal fighting is as grown up corporate business as you can get. This stuff happens every single day between companies over contract issues. This is a whole different ballgame than Dana being Dana, heck this is probably coming from a whole different place in Zuffa than Dana running his mouth, this is legal issues.
by who me on Aug 3, 2009 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I have read Vadim interviews stating than Fedor was never under Affliction contract. But only with M1.
I have read numerous Tom Attencio (and others) interviews where they said he was. If he wasn’t under contract with Affliction then this couldn’t happen and if he is then M-1 made a huge mistake signing with Strikeforce before they cleared up the status of his Affliction contract. I’m not going to argue with you about it because it is what it is, they can’t make up he was under contract with Affliction to file a cease and desist they actually have to have the contract in hand, if they do then this is exactly what will happen and nothing anyone said in any interview will mean squat to it. We will know what is real and what was just interview fluff soon enough.
Well, we can only wait like you say, I guess.
But White had the same reaction when they bought Pride and they could not get Fedor. Vadim is supposed to be someone very smart when he negociates and do contracts. he is very careful to all the littles lines and all. Monte Cox could not sign Fedor in part because they wanted all the papers in russian.
Dana runs his mouth all the time yes but the Zuffa legal department doesn’t move until they have something solid to go with. It’s just that simple, don’t confuse Dana the big mouth fight promoter with Zuffa the company that is very experienced in these kinds of legal matters, is sitting on a attack squad of very smart and expensive lawyers. If they do go into this legally you better believe they will have everything they need to at least tie it up for years.
by who me on Aug 3, 2009 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Typical lawyers. Every company I have ever worked for, the lawyers don’t do anything like the rest of the company. They kind of lurk in the background, and when they are 100% certain that something will win in court, they go straight for it. Lawyers for major companies typically don’t bring on frivilous lawsuits. At least from my experience.
If the lawyers gave the OK, it is likely legit.
by AlwaysRelaxing on Aug 3, 2009 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Waits for Coleko to make another conspiracy Fanpost......
"He built his whole reputation (as a) waffle house chef. They've been serving him up ham and eggs with a side of canned tomatoes." - Don Frye on Fedor Emelianenko
In the worst way.
"He built his whole reputation (as a) waffle house chef. They've been serving him up ham and eggs with a side of canned tomatoes." - Don Frye on Fedor Emelianenko
so what i got from this is that we might not see fedor fight anywhere for a very long time?
i think fedor will eventually fight for strikeforce but strikeforce will probably have 2 make a settlement that would surely cripple them or at least get showtime/cbs less interested in fighting a never ending fight for legal fees.
he did it to himelf. He said he didnt sign the ufc contract out of spite. Now reap what you sow.
by JaTinkles on Aug 3, 2009 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Here's what happens
Coker put all his cards on the table. Dana was giving him a pass up until he went for the gold. CBS + Strikeforce does not equal ABC/ESPN + HBO. Yeah, I said HBO. Like they’re not watching this mess.
And yeah, the UFC will take fighters from Strikeforce because they can. Big poo poo for Strikeforce but if you’re Coker you gotta try that.
IMO there does need to be one premiere league for MMA and the UFC is obviously it. It just looks like it might take a little longer. But, this might help MMA in the long run – regarding fighter contracts and sponsership deals – and driving one more competing org. into the ground. Strikeforce should have tried to stay in the minor leagues.
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by donkeypunch on Aug 3, 2009 6:50 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
How does this affect Mousasi then? I assume he had a N American exclusive deal with Affliction, since he is still fighting for Dream in the Super Hulk Tournament. Therefore Zuffa has this deal? But since Zuffa only do exclusive contracts, he will not fight in N America and Zuffa can sell his contract? So Strikeforce either take Zuffa to court or pay them a shitload of money for the Babalu fight which takes place in 11 days
Just because the UFC doesn’t do those types of deal doesn’t mean their legal staff won’t act on the Affliction contracts if Zuffa now holds those assets. Heck Zuffa would almost have to do something if they hold those contracts, it would be their fiduciary duty to take care of that issue. Obviously they could end those contracts but they couldn’t just ignore them if they hold them now. What we could end up with is a situation like after Pride where a lot of guys just sat out their old Pride contracts and that sucks ass but legally that would fall at Affliction for not freeing them up before they kissed the Zuffa ring. It’s a situation where everyone is a bad guy here except for the poor fighters trying to make a living but caught inbetween because of M-1 and Zuffa butting heads.
I’m assuming it’s murky enough that they can wreck a fight that is only a couple of weeks away.
I know that logically you can’t just blame this on Zuffa but the situation really sucks.
Zuffa has to protect their legal rights. The legal system almost puts companies in a bind this way. If they don’t protect, they lose the rights.
I have a feeling Zuffa was going to let it slide with Mousasi and the rest of the Affliction people. And then Coker announced Fedor before his Aug 15th show. big mistake.
by AlwaysRelaxing on Aug 3, 2009 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I hope Finkie was just this fucking stupid.
I hope he gambled so hard on a third Affliction show that he resigned exclusively for two fights after Tim.
I hope Zuffa owns the contract.
I hope I hope I hope
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by Derek Suboticki on Aug 3, 2009 7:16 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
What?
I hope you are keeding or something.
I can’t understand how someone would be that much of a fanboy that they hope that Fedor will not fight at all rather than fighting outside the UFC.
But it will not happen. Vadim is too smart. he owned White after Pride demise and will continue. If he has refused to sign a contract with Monte Cox because it was not in Russian there is a reason.
But Fedor will fight in Strikeforce. Every fan should understand that Strikeforce is better than nothing.
No kidding. I want what I think is best for MMA, what I think is best for MMA is all of the top talent in the UFC, and Fedor is one of the final pieces of the puzzle.
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by Derek Suboticki on Aug 3, 2009 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions
You know that they would most likely sit out and sue Affliction if the mmalogic if true? Then fight in Strikeforce.
I want to watch Fedor fight personally. The sooner the better imo
I want to watch him fight too, and Fedor vs. Brett Rogers or Alistair Overeem is not going to be a fight, it’s going to be a one-sided annihilation.
I don’t think they’re actually going to let him kill me... And if he does kills me, book sales will really go up. Boom…win-win, bitch.- Forrest Griffin on Anderson Silva
by ufc4 on Aug 3, 2009 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Serious question, are you paid by M-1 or just a huge Russian fan of Fedro?
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Aug 3, 2009 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I could say the same about you and UFC/Machida.
"Not everything that is faced can be changed. But nothing can be changed until it is faced."
-James Arthur Baldwin
I just read that Fedor didn’t sign with the UFC because of all the internet strong-arming that logic did, lol.
You broke my heart, logic, you broke my heart.
Actually, I think it is pretty apparent that almost all of us thought Fedor would sign with the UFC when the offer was revealed, so I can’t be to hard on logic.
If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.
To be fair
The guarantee was always ’Fedor’s next fight will be in the UFC.’ Unless his next fight isn’t, we can’t say logic wasn’t right.
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by Derek Suboticki on Aug 3, 2009 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions
AND...
How can we not be stoked for the amazing cameo appearance that Fedor will surely make on “Dexter”?
If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.
Well
Unless Finklestein is getting cut up, I could give a shit about Fedor on Dexter
"Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy" - Ben Franklin
Strikeforce and Dexter.
Only 2 good things on Showtime. :( My wife keeps trying to make me cancel it.
GSP: I pulled my groin.
Greg Jackson: I don't care Georges! HIT HIM WITH YOUR GROIN!
by xFenixKnightx on Aug 3, 2009 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The Tudors is pretty good,
for what it is. A little more emphasis on sex than I’d like, but at least they generally have hot people doing it.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
He also guaranteed at 95% confidence that Fedor/Brock would headline UFC 103. So unless something drastic happens, he’ll be 95% wrong about that.
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Well, doesn’t the fact that he absolutely guaranteed one thing and left some doubt on the other mean something? The only thing he guaranteed 100% is that Fedor’s next fight will be in the UFC – and it might just be.
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by Derek Suboticki on Aug 3, 2009 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Subo, you are starting to scare me here…..
"Moral of the story: mmalogic is wrong. Thanks" Leland Roling, my new favorite writer on BE.
I am beginning to wonder what your obsession with mmalogic being wrong is. Yes he acts like an ass at times, and he is very very confident.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
You know what...
you have a valid point there sir… you’re right. I’m just trying to understand why everyone follows his words so blindly when his misses are more abundant than his hits. I’m coming off as the asshole and I will back off.
I’m just going to sit back silently and laugh to myself over this, even more so when he turns out to be wrong again.
"Moral of the story: mmalogic is wrong. Thanks" Leland Roling, my new favorite writer on BE.
by Gunslinger20 on Aug 3, 2009 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Think about baseball for a second.
A guy like Barry Bonds, or Babe Ruth, only ‘succeeds’ about 33% of the time (I consider walks more or less a draw for these sluggers), but everyone hugs their nuts for those one out of three times they do something great.
Logic probably falls into that category. The reason everyone listens is because all of his hits go for extra bases. The man doesn’t know how to hit a single.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
A walk is not a draw. Average hitters succeed (in reaching base) roughly 33% of the time.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
I never said that walks were a draw.
I said for hitters like Bonds or Ruth I consider them to be a draw from the pitcher’s standpoint, which is a relatively weak position, since even the greatest hitters rarely exceed a .600 slg% for any significant portion of their careers, which is 3/5 of a base on average for each plate appearance.
But it’s how I look at the big boppers. Only the top-shelf elite, though.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
I'm a serious baseball geek, too.
I was subscribing to Baseball Prospectus back when it was basically the only premium site worth subscribing to.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
Same could be said about you...
you seem to come and defend him everytime I post something negative about him and his credibility… but we’ll leave that one alone.
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by Gunslinger20 on Aug 3, 2009 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions
It is more that you suddenly seemed to jump all over this. I take his word as someone who has inside information, but I use that along with other things I hear/read to draw my own conclusions. I find it rather refreshing when people on the inside actually talk about it and would like to keep them around, no matter how biased they are. Essentially the more information the better.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
And I respect your stance on the subject sir…. I just don’t see the things he does as “inside info”. Given the “person’s” attitude, if it wasn’t so arrogant… I’d probably just ignore it but it struck a nerve and I pounced on it…but much like the whole Fedor situation, I’m over it and ready to move on.
If you find his info to be beneficial and enjoyable… then more power to you. I just however don’t, but since I seem to be irritating his following with my comments… I’ll be respectful to those around me and keep my mumblings to myself.
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by Gunslinger20 on Aug 3, 2009 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Fair enough…now onto some more inside info, any more fun Subo facts like his hatred of the Raiders? =D
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
He looks like Jim Breuer with a red beard
I don’t think they’re actually going to let him kill me... And if he does kills me, book sales will really go up. Boom…win-win, bitch.- Forrest Griffin on Anderson Silva
He's a young Kris Kringle
Thats just my opinion… you know those claymation Xmas specials like Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer…. well the one “Santa Claus is Coming to Town”, he looks like Santa before his beard turned white.
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by Gunslinger20 on Aug 3, 2009 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry Subo...
you’re not gonna have anywhere to hide if you piss off any of these guys and they decide to come to the Springs to envoke revenge on you :)
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by Gunslinger20 on Aug 3, 2009 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I get the feeling that I could take most of them.
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by Derek Suboticki on Aug 3, 2009 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Well..
Donald’s in town apparently… maybe he could help ya out :)
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by Gunslinger20 on Aug 3, 2009 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions
lol...
You won’t find another human being more dedicated to his hometown teams…. no matter how much they suck balls (ahemmm..Rockies…Avalanche…Rapids)
Broncos fans are on another level…. the hatred for the Raiders reaches epic proportions… we’re talking beyond the drama of Chuck vs Tito or Shamrocks vs Tito or Dana vs Tito….. seeing a pattern here?
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by Gunslinger20 on Aug 3, 2009 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions
For those that need help
Subo is actually Tito Ortiz
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by Gunslinger20 on Aug 3, 2009 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions
His English improves a lot on the internet.
Something funny about Tito, his handle on the UG is FUTA1…futa means something rather interesting in Japanese slang.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
Here is a hint, image search at your own risk.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
Yeah, I read the thread where someone went off about a pic of Jenna and he swore off the UG…
I do lurk on the UG but I’ll never post there, I don’t know how anyone can pay to be on that site.
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by Gunslinger20 on Aug 3, 2009 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions
People pay for the UG?? I only lurk there, too..
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
Sick isn't it?
But I do love the threads that Wes Sims does…. that dude is freakin hilarious… him and McCorkle.
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by Gunslinger20 on Aug 3, 2009 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Kizer and Buffer are usually good. My favorites are when some random guy goes ranting off on a fighter then said fighter posts back owning them.
Or like this one:
Random guy: Thiago Alves has no way to beat GSP, he got beaten by Spencer Fisher for crying out loud!
next post down Spencer Fisher: Alves is a much different guy now…
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
mmalogic is not always right, but he’s never wrong.
Keep firing Assholes!
Thanks to Bisping's reenactment of the Battle of Cowpens, walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by Ubernoober on Aug 3, 2009 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
lol....
oh how I love the Maple Leafs!!!
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by Gunslinger20 on Aug 3, 2009 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions
That's it, you're on my enemies list now.
My enemies list:
Gunslinger 20
Are you afraid yet?
Keep firing Assholes!
Thanks to Bisping's reenactment of the Battle of Cowpens, walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by Ubernoober on Aug 3, 2009 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
LMAO!!!
How did I know that statement was just the right button to push!!!
A statement as sexy as Dany Heatley’s missing front teeth :)
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by Gunslinger20 on Aug 3, 2009 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Are you aware of my Sens/Leafs picture situation?
Keep firing Assholes!
Thanks to Bisping's reenactment of the Battle of Cowpens, walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
Only slightly…. didn’t you lose an avatar bet or something?
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by Gunslinger20 on Aug 3, 2009 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, but I am due to recover it pending an Anderson Silva victory.
Keep firing Assholes!
Thanks to Bisping's reenactment of the Battle of Cowpens, walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
So.....
statements such as “Felix Potvin is the greatest goalie in NHL history” or “Mats Sundin is the most dominant front line player in modern NHL era” or perhaps “Daniel Alfredsson blows goats, I have proof”… would send you completely over the edge?
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by Gunslinger20 on Aug 3, 2009 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I loved Felix and Mats, I’m a die-hard Leafs fan.
The new brutally violent truculent Leafs are going to have a field day curb stomping the Sens.
Also: if Silva beats Griffin we all get to see subo throw a tantrum over having to rock a Kansas City Chiefs logo until the next numbered UFC event.
Keep firing Assholes!
Thanks to Bisping's reenactment of the Battle of Cowpens, walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
lol... so I have it backwards...
I thought the Sens were your team…
We may witness the death of Subo if he has to rock a Kansas City Chiefs avatar… we’d all be dead if he had to rock a Raiders one.
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by Gunslinger20 on Aug 3, 2009 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Keep dreaming
Forrest by superior precise precision
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by Derek Suboticki on Aug 3, 2009 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions
If subo is just now starting to scare you then you haven’t been paying attention.
I don’t think they’re actually going to let him kill me... And if he does kills me, book sales will really go up. Boom…win-win, bitch.- Forrest Griffin on Anderson Silva
Nah...
He scared me the moment I met him… but thats neither here nor there… :)
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by Gunslinger20 on Aug 3, 2009 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions
just own up to the fact you were wrong
Zuffa cant stop M1 and Fedor from doing what they want. If anything Affliction is in breach form cancelling the show. Affliction never had exclusive contracts with Gegard anyway so how can they stop him from fighting for strikeforce. Zuffa cant illustrate that they were damaged by any of this unless they start planning for a Babalu Gegard fight in the UFC right away. I guess they can get a judge to listen to them and maybe force Babalu and Gegard to delay the fight but i still think it’s a long shot.
by naturalist on Aug 3, 2009 8:04 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
This is what I'm thinking...
Affliction said it was not going to promote events anymore and became a primary sponsor for the UFC. All fine and dandy, right? Well, Affliction never actually closed it’s doors, just said, “Hey, we’re not going to promote fights anymore!”
What if the UFC funds Affliction to promote their final show, and the UFC co-promotes with Affliction for that final show?Aren’t all of the fighters signed to Affliction contracts still bound by that last fight? What’s stopping Zuffa to give Affliction money to host its last show, or at least be UFC 103: Affliction, and use the fighters from both organizations?
I’m not sure of all the legalities of this, but essentially, I would think that there is nothing to stop them unless it specifically states in the contracts otherwise.
Is this a possibility?
Contributing writer for MMA-Analyst.com
by Joe Schmitt on Aug 3, 2009 9:15 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
very interesting possibility
Yes, time flies. And where did it leave you? Old too soon...smart too late. - Mike Tyson
This has been a whirlwind of changes the past few days, but I can’t see why this wouldn’t work, as long as the contractual obligations of the fighters bound to Affliction are met.
Just something to think about, but it’s an interesting theory I think.
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TJ DeSantis on Sherdog radio just mentioned UFC has sent Strikeforce a C+D letter in regards to the Babalu/Mousasi fight. Strikeforce’s Mike Afromowitz responded by saying Babalu is Strikeforce’s property and has been since 2007 but didn’t say anything about Mousasi.
But if he also signed with Affliction, it’s going to be a complicated mess.
The way these contracts are signed is going to be especially confusing, but I wonder if the presence of bout agreements from Trilogy could factor in at all.
Silence speaks volumes sometimes.
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by Derek Suboticki on Aug 3, 2009 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions
So the shit.... i mean the writing is on the wall now
Look forward to seeing how this one will work out, Bruce Wayne.
"Moral of the story: mmalogic is wrong. Thanks" Leland Roling, my new favorite writer on BE.
So wait; these fighters sign contracts with Affliction, a promotion that paid people completely unrealistic amounts of money, antagonized the leading competitor (which is know for being willing to spend money to quash competitors), and which has been trying to get out of the promotion business pretty much since they started, and they didn’t a) guarantee certain amounts of money regardless of whether the show went on or not and b) didn’t give themselves an escape clause if the org went tits up?
These guys really, really, need a better lawyer. Seriously. This is just terrible.
If this is true
then it’s a serious dick move on Affliction’s part.
They cancel an entire event, less than a week out. And then they tie up the fighters they just screwed in court.
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