Fedor Emelianenko Signs With Strikeforce; First Fight to Air on Showtime
Strikeforce manages to cut MMA's free agent Gordian Knot. From a press release in my inbox:
World's No. 1 MMA Heavyweight To Fight
In STRIKEFORCE / M-1 Global Co-Promoted Events
First Fight To Air This Fall, Live on SHOWTIME®
NEW YORK (August 3, 2009)--After a week of intense negotiations and speculation, the hottest topic of discussion in the professional fight world has come to a head as the world's number one heavyweight and most sought after mixed martial arts (MMA) champion Fedor "The Last Emperor" Emelianenko has signed a historic, multi-fight agreement that will see him headline mega-events co-promoted by world championship promotions STRIKEFORCE and M-1 Global.
Emelianenko, known globally as Fedor, will make his premium television debut this Fall when his first fight under the new agreement airs live on SHOWTIME®. Up until now, Emelianenko's live fights have aired exclusively on pay-per-view in the United States.
"I am looking forward to going back to work and fighting at the highest level," said the 33-year-old Emelianenko. During his nine year professional fight career, which included a four and a half year stay with the world's former top MMA promotion, the now defunct PRIDE Fighting Championship, the Russian native has faced and defeated all comers.
In his last effort, the 6-foot, 235-pound Emelianenko decimated the number two ranked heavyweight at the time Andrei "The Pitbull" Arlovski with a single punch in the first round (3:14) of the main event of Affliction: "Day of Reckoning" at Anaheim, California's Honda Center on January 24.
"STRIKEFORCE is a top fight promotion that houses some of the greatest fighters in the world," continued Emelianenko. "I am prepared to fight any of them."
"We are extremely excited to have the opportunity to work with M-1 Global and Fedor," said STRIKEFORCE Founder and CEO Scott Coker, a martial arts fight promoter of over 25 years. "Fedor has been the reigning king of MMA's heavyweight division for quite some time now so being able to work with M-1 and Fedor will substantially increase the level of competition amongst the athletes in this weight class."
A few early takeaways:
1. Before we get into any discussion about whether this move will or won't bankrupt Strikeforce, we need to see what the explicit terms of the deal Fedor/M-1 actually reached with the California-based MMA organization. Period. Certainly, though, the task of promoting Fedor while profitting from him has not been something easily accomplished by fight promoters either at home or abroad.
2. I take this to be the official declaration of UFC's mostly "hands off" policy towards Strikeforce. While losing Carano to Coker probably doesn't keep White up at night, this one most certainly means aggressive counter campaigning and media marginalization by Zuffa. Let's also see how bold the UFC becomes in luring away Strikeforce talent. Conversely, will UFC heavyweights leave to seek a Fedor fight in Strikeforce? I wouldn't rule it out.
3. In terms of adding subscribers to Showtime, Fedor could prove beneficial. He's obviously well-known to MMA hardcores and believe it or not, rather easily attracts the attention of large-scale media outlets. Add in the popularity boost he'll likely receive from the EA Sports game and the prospect of Showtime adding thousands of new subscribers doesn't seem like the long shot that turning him into a PPV draw actually does.
4. I suppose we'll see Fedor take on Brett Rogers first , which is a fun and legitimate undertaking, but not necessarily the stuff of Fedor vs. Lesnar or Fedor vs. a wide array of UFC heavyweights. Although should Emelianenko lose to Rogers, the heavyweight division could be turned on its axis.
5. The UFC management who tried to broker a deal with Fedor and M-1 must be beside themselves. They made many of the concessions Fedor and his team were looking for, but it was too little too late. The scorched earth policy of White after the initial round of negotiations soured Emelianenko on any prospect of working with Zuffa. Fedor and his team's desire to make the aggrandizement of M-1 a central tenet to any deal sealed their fate. Zuffa tried to rush the deal through by making the other concessions sweetheart compromises but thereby unwittingly raised Emelianenko's value in one fell swoop. After the completion of this deal, Fedor will likely see no value in signing with the UFC and will be more expensive than ever.
6. The missed opportunity in having Fedor vs. Lesnar is indeed sad. It's a shame for the sport, for the division and for the fans of MMA. But the upside is that Fedor has at least some noteworthy fights ahead of him all on American soil. It's not what the MMA community asked for, but I suspect they'll take it. Albeit with a very bitter aftertaste of what could've been.
Congratulations, Strikeforce. The rest of the release after the jump.
"With the addition of Fedor and STRIKEFORCE's new relationship with M-1 Global, SHOWTIME is now the home of the best pound-for-pound male and female fighters in the world," said Ken Hershman, Senior VP and General Manager of SHOWTIME Sports®. "The Aug. 15 Carano-Cyborg matchup on SHOWTIME will clearly determine the best female mixed martial artist on the planet. Then, come this Fall, our subscribers again will witness history when the universally recognized best male fighter-Fedor Emelianenko-joins the already long list of world-class athletes on the STRIKEFORCE roster, and for the first time ever plies his skills live on SHOWTIME."
Hershman continued: "We are better positioned now than ever before to deliver on our promise to televise the top fighters in mixed martial arts today."
"I am very happy and excited about the upcoming collaboration with Strikeforce," said Vadim Finkelchtein, President of M-1 Global. "We are very pleased that we found a reliable partner and I feel that Strikeforce and M-1 can support each other on many things. This will create big opportunities for both parties to test their fighters against worthy opponents."
Though his official professional record is 30-1, Emelianenko is considered undefeated. The only blemish on his record is a December 22, 2000 fight that was stopped after 17 seconds and declared a TKO in favor of his opponent, Tsuyoshi Kohsaka, due to a cut Emelianenko sustained in the opening seconds of the matchup in Osaka, Japan.
Amongst those on Emelianenko's list of impressive conquests are former PRIDE Heavyweight Champions Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira, Mark "The Hammer" Coleman, and Mirko "Cro Cop" Filipovic as well as former UFC Heavyweight Champions Kevin "The Monster" Randleman and Tim Sylvia, whom Emelianenko submitted with a rear naked choke only 36 seconds into their main event showdown at Affliction: "Banned" on July 19, 2008.
Despite his extensive experience, Emelianenko's debut under the new STRIKEFORCE-M-1 venture will, interestingly enough, mark his first start in a cage. To date, all of his bouts have taken place in a ring.
After co-promoting two events live on SHOWTIME in 2007 and 2008, STRIKEFORCE in March 2009 signed a multi-year agreement to stage live MMA events on the premium cable television network.
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Ugh.. here we go again.
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I don't care anymore
Fedor is just a guy protecting his record at this point. It’s like a quarterback that sits out against tough defenses.
I’m done with Fedor – I hope this doesn’t kill Strikeforce because I like them.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 3, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Subo is finally here.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 3, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Same here, actually.
I don’t really care what happens in strikeforce at this point, except for Carano/Cyborg.
Fedor will now start his gradual descent down the rankings list.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
Like when certain left handed hitters would sit against Randy Johnson and the like.
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This argument falls apart from the brushing impact of a feather.
Fedor = Barry Bonds/Ken Griffey Jr. (first 10 years of career), and you NEVER sit Bonds/Jr. against Randy Johnson.
Raul Ibanez, sure. Barry Bonds, no.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
by misterjonez on Aug 3, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rec’d.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 3, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
It was a dig at Larry Walker. Subo’s a big Rockies fan.
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Don’t think I didn’t see it, you bastard. I simply won’t respond to those that desecrate the greatest player in Rockies history.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 3, 2009 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions
:-)
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
I always liked Hampton.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
He took our money and sucked, sucked, sucked while he was here. RIP Darryl Kile.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 3, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
He was really good in Houston and New York.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
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Oh, I know – that’s why we paid him gobs of money. Between him and the lefty from Cincy – Denny Neagles – I thought we’d be decent.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 3, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
The altitude just fucks with pitchers.
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Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
It was pre-humidor. We’re controlling it now. Aaron Cook = most underrated SP in baseball
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 3, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Nah, he's properly rated
Among people who actually care about the NL. We’re in the minority these days.
Aaron Cook with the lifetime 1.439 WHIP and 3.7 K/9?
And before you go all “OMG COORS FIELD”, his away splits aren’t exactly lighting the world on fire either.
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He’s been like 2 wins above replacement this year.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
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And I recently learned that that is the be all/end all of stats.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 3, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
He’s one of the top 50 pitchers in the league this year.
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Right around Zach Duke and Carl Pavano. Sounds about right.
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Cook's been surprisingly solid for the
Rockies throughout his career, but he’s not the second coming of..well, anyone special.
He’s definitely a piece you want on that roster, though.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
Unless you're extremely tall
with good downward action on a 2seamer or sinker, yeah, you’re toast.
I’ve even seen it suggested that the thin air makes breaking pitches break less than they should, which in many cases is the difference between weak contact and hard contact.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
Only in 1995 – MVP.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 3, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Barry Bonds never played for the Rockies.
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by Mike Fagan on Aug 3, 2009 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
^this
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
Jason Marquis? LOL
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by Leland Roling on Aug 3, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I missed that angle, obviously.
But didn’t Walker bat righty against RJ in an allstar game once, after getting ‘thrown at’ like ten feet over his head?
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
Kruk?
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
I thought it was Walker.
I remember seeing Kruk shiver or whatever and try to make light of it, but I thought it was Walker.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
I’m pretty sure Walker was the one who flipped his batting helmet around against Johnson?
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Yeah, found a description:
1997: Andres Galarraga, Larry Walker
The Big Cat made it back to the ASG after a three-year hiatus, but it was Larry Walker who best represented the club at this year’s event. Walker participated in the HR Derby and put on a clinic, homering nine times in each of the contest’s first two rounds. However, he ran out of gas at the end and ended up finishing as the runner-up to Tino Martinez, despite hitting three more homers overall. The following night, Walker started and went 0-for-1 with a walk, but had a memorable at-bat against Randy Johnson in which he turned his helmet backwards and batted from the right side of the plate after the Big Unit threw a fastball over his head. Galarraga struck out in his only AB.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 3, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I would always pick him up
in my ps2 baseball games, because the publishers had an unruly man-crush on him, so he was like the cheapest .900 OPS DH you could find in the FA pool.
Never got to see him in his prime, though.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
They called him The Big Cat for his defensive prowess. He was great – batted .370, best for a righty since Joltin’ Joe.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 3, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Even when he was old, he 'looked good'
around the bag. .370 is impressive, for sure. But I grew up with Edgar Martinez, so I’m kinda jaded on high BA for right-handed hittersw.
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That was quick.
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by Eugene Schelfaut on Aug 3, 2009 12:37 PM EDT reply actions
That sound you hear is Dana’s good will for Scott Coker going up in smoke. He shouldn’t worry, everyone else who co-promoted with M-1 has gone out of business.
by ProCannonFodder on Aug 3, 2009 12:39 PM EDT reply actions
Are we seriously going to go through another thread of spewing this ridiculous assumption?
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by Leland Roling on Aug 3, 2009 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m just happy that all of the free UFC is coming in the counter programming.
by ProCannonFodder on Aug 3, 2009 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
omg omg omg
Does this mean I get to take photos of Fedor?! Studio photos of Fedor?! YES YES YES. AHHH! Okay. Awesome.
by allelbows on Aug 3, 2009 12:39 PM EDT reply actions 6 recs
Please find a way to involve ice cream
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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 3, 2009 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
God I hope so, your photos and videos are the best MMA media out there bar none.
by Patrick Tenney on Aug 3, 2009 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
yeah, well this is the plus side i guess..
even if we don’t see him fight against brock, at least we get great photos from esther.. :)
by Anton Tabuena on Aug 3, 2009 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
are you the ONLY girl on this entire site?
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by ekc on Aug 3, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
There are women on the internet, but it costs $23.95 a month to see them.
Keep firing Assholes!
Thanks to Bisping's reenactment of the Battle of Cowpens, walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
Aww, you're so jaded.
I’ve got THREE women from Africa who have already sent me naked pics of themselves, AND are trying to wire $32million to my bank account. EACH!
All I’ve had to do is pay for their legal efforts via Western Union…
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by misterjonez on Aug 3, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Well did you?
Or did you use your head? (the one that’s on top) :p
He's dead wrong on fighting at the highest level.
by Pontus on Aug 3, 2009 12:41 PM EDT reply actions 12 recs
Can someone get someone on record explaining the details of Strikefroce and M1’s co-promotion?
I’d love to hear their excuse if it’s anything less than a 50/50 split. I’d also like to hear Strikeforce’s reasoning for doing it if it is a 50/50 split, I don’t think he could bring in half the revenue of a strikeforce card either, so it doesn’t make sense for them either?
Not to defend M1 and Jerry Millen
and I mean I absolutely don’t find them defensible at all, but StrikeForce isn’t asking for exclusivity, so that’s probably what their explanation is going to be if it’s not a 50/50 split.
So what then after Fador cleans what Strikeforce has of HW . . . .
I lost a lot of LOVE for Fador for not signing with the UFC.
by Warpath650 on Aug 3, 2009 12:42 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Ideally, he gets a lot of American press. He gets some exposure, he gets some casual fans talking. If that happens, I’d like to see the possibilities.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 3, 2009 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
please
come on Leland people have only been saying that now sence Bodog. LOLat that one because It will just never happen without the UFC behind even thenI have my douts. Fedor just has no charisma what so ever and the No 1 biggest thing he speaks no english, Stupid move buy Cooker and crew over at strike force. I can’t wait to see the terms of this copromotion they did with M-1?
I think there is a superfan problem.
Too many MMA promoters (Dana White, Affliction, Corker) fall in love with Fedor because at their heart they are huge MMA lovers. Its not great business sense though.
If Fedor sweeps through Rogers
Werdum and Overeem for Strikeforce. And one or two of those fights is on CBS, he’ll be in a much stronger position next time with the UFC.
I think Dana’s shit talking cost him this signing.
That and Strikeforce not allowing elbows on the ground.
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by Kid Nate on Aug 3, 2009 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
True...paper skin is an issue when it's getting smashed by elbows
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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 3, 2009 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It doesn’t bother any of you that Fedor is ducking the Unified Rules, too?
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 3, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Frank Shamrock is already ugly enough.
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by jemaleddin on Aug 3, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Yep
I’m just as excited for Fedor/Overeem as I would be for Fedor/Brock, and Rogers and Carwin are similar as opponents (edge for Rogers in accomplishments, though Carwin might turn out to be the better fighter).
Ok,
But he will have lost 10 million in the meantime. If Brock won his first 3 fights in the UFC and was a mega star wouldn’t he have been making more money anyway? I see the point, but they way to get the most money is by signing with the UFC now.
Strikeforce, don’t fuck up.
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They already kind of have
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 3, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Well at least I know I’ll have a good chance to watch him fight in a cage now.. and not have to tune in at 3am on Sunday night in order to watch him. I can’t help but think there isn’t enough competition at SF but to be honest it was my second choice.
My wife said “you should take bets on how long till SF goes out of business, since Fedor is the kiss of death”.
I'll watch
but the matchups out there in Strikeforce just aren’t that compelling.
Overeem and Brett Rogers fights, you’d be fucking mad to say you werent excited for them.
by Marcus213 on Aug 3, 2009 12:45 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, I’m a bit surprised people don’t give a shit about these fights… especially in a cage.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 3, 2009 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Good god
Why?
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by The Kittitas Kid on Aug 3, 2009 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Because nobody really knows who Overeem is....His name sounds like he's being called...
….The Overlord or something cheesy like that.
I’m not excited for the Rogers fight at all. I dig Brett…he’s awesome. But he matches up incredibly poorly against Fedor. Overeem is a good fight…but I just can’t get past the business end of things. NONE of the Strikeforce fights for Fedor will make any money. They’re all small fights in the grand scheme of things.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 3, 2009 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
I think Fedor crushes Rogers, but Overeem.. in a cage.. with his newfound physique of 255 pounds of muscle. I’d be a bit skeptical to believe Fedor just trounces him. I think it’s a solid fight on paper, regardless of whether the fight makes money or not.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 3, 2009 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm so hung up on Strikeforce and their inability to market fights...
i just don’t think they can turn Fedor into a star and they don’t have the roster to help it happen. It just is going to end up ruining Strikeforce financially. Also, i hope M-1 is ready to go 50/50 on some losses.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 3, 2009 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
I don’t think they’ll need to turn him into a star if he can produce quick finishes against those opponents on National Television. Without CBS, then they are fucked. If these are Showtime events, forget it.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 3, 2009 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
CBS needs people to actually tune in...
remember, the shows without big names didn’t draw big numbers. Fedor isn’t a Kimbo level draw.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 3, 2009 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
also...
ESPN gave the kimbo shows some love and hype. But the UFC/ESPN deal is all but done from what I’m hearing…so SF won’t be getting any hype from that direction.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 3, 2009 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Yeah, but they could do some sort of co-headliner and get a decent stake of viewers. I mean, it isn’t a given. I’m just saying… they need to put Fedor on CBS and hope for utter destruction for appeal. If they don’t do that, it isn’t happening.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 3, 2009 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree...
if it’s CBS then it helps a lot. IF they try and do these on Showtime shows they’re going to lose a lot of money.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 3, 2009 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Example?
Gina/Cyborg would have been perfect for a CBS co-main with Fedor vs Overeem/Rogers.
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I’m not sure about an example right now. You’re right. Gina vs. Cyborg would have been perfect.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 3, 2009 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Not too many great options of a fight better than Fedor vs. Overeem as a co-headliner right now. Shamrock would probably have to be a part of it. If they could get a license to promote Shamrock vs. Shamrock (which I would be totally against), it’d be the biggest ratings draw imaginable for them. Maybe Shamrock vs Cung II could be a decent draw..
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Think if the UFC goes head to head with Fedors fight card with their on fight card on spike with Kimbo on it and a good main event.
by SouthAlaBamaRampage on Aug 3, 2009 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I think people are overestimating the CBS factor.
Yes, the CBS shows got good ratings, but if they were big money makers for CBS/Pro Elite/anyone. CBS would have jumped back in the ring already.
Every Edor Returns commercial that ran during the last CBS card was an ad that wasn’t sold very close to the day of the event. there were reports of them having trouble selling ads even with Affliction jumping in at the last second.
We’ve read the posts about other sponsors being reluctant to jump into MMA, just being on CBS isn’t going to make those fears go away.
Im with you on this Brent. This is why i see this as a downfall to what has been a prosperous promotion.
by SouthAlaBamaRampage on Aug 3, 2009 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Recd
SF is going to lose money o this deal.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 3, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Fedor vs Brett Rogers, no, I’m not excited in the least, Fedor is gonna fucking kill him.
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by ufc4 on Aug 3, 2009 3:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Wheres mmalogic now huh? I’m ready for the bullshit story he gives us as to why his “garuntee” fell through.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Aug 3, 2009 12:46 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
I think the story is...
what all of our sources are telling us. Fedor was offered a great deal (don’t try to tell me that deal wasn’t amazing) and it was pretty much a sure thing he was going to sign. But then greed got in the way and took what seemed to be a sure thing right out.
logic wasn’t the only one with sources telling him it was a done deal.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 3, 2009 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Give me a break. It was a guess. If it hit, he’d claim we are all idiots and he’s right. I mean, i said Randy Couture would be back in the UFC when he left. I’m not running around bragging.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 3, 2009 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Are you saying I didn’t have legitimate sources telling me it was a done deal?
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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 3, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I’m saying mmalogic was guessing. He wasn’t simply saying that it was a done deal. He was saying that it was a straight buyout and that Fedor’s contract was apart of it. Then it suddenly went down a completely different road that he wasn’t under a buyout. Blah blah blah. He was guessing.
I had other sources telling me all day it was a done deal. I’m not refuting those sources.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 3, 2009 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Well
That’s what he was way off about; tangling him up in court if he didn’t sign. This makes him look worse than Fedor not signing did.
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Brent, you have legitimate sources...
Logic was guessing… plain and simple. The Randy Couture thing was no big surprise, it was going to happen eventually just as Fedor signing w/ Strikeforce was going to happen.
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He’s not guessing.
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I can’t help it. The whole Fedor situation brought out so many outlandish remarks from commenters.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 3, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
And many accurate ones.
I’ve spent a lot of time watching my comments go green lately. :-P
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And I’ve spent too much time clicking rec on them. I feel…. so dirty…
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by Blackout612 on Aug 3, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
And mine get deleted… of course, you do have more couth than I
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 3, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Just a teeeensy bit more.
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Well, saying Fedor is a “gigantic pussy” doesn’t exactly follow our Code of Conduct. Come on now, you knew that it was getting deleted.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 3, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Indeed, he’s always been a small heavyweight. Gigantic? Come on, subo.
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by jemaleddin on Aug 3, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I wanted it back when I sent it – and I only said it was possible, in response to the assertion that it was possible the UFC lied about the deal. Too bad Fedor isn’t an org/president of a company, then I could bash him all fucking day.
I bet it would have turned green if you’d have left it, though.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 3, 2009 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I WOULD HAVE TRIED.
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I’m definitely not refuting your claims that Fedor is ducking. I’m just not in the habit of throwing that claim around. I’m just going to wait and see how this SF thing works out.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 3, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, I think most of us are, Leland – but whether this SF thing works out doesn’t really affect whether or not he’s ducking.
He’s ducking.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 3, 2009 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m not entirely on that piece of paper. He could legitimately want this crazy co-promotion as much as Vadim. If the terms come out, and we find out it isn’t 50/50… I will fly the Subo flag.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 3, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
right click/save as
Fedor would’ve been making more on a UFC PPV cut than he’ll make taking half of Strikeforce’s fucking gate. But let’s see the contract.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 3, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
You’re assuming he wants a huge stake of money. What if he simply wanted the exposure of the M-1 name on the same playing field as the UFC. Sure, it’s fucking ridiculous to think that, but maybe he ACTUALLY thought his name could bring the UFC to those terms. It isn’t inconceivable. His management truly thinks he can command that type of demand, and it doesn’t help that other promotions are willing to do it.
We could argue for days about how it’s more money, and the exposure just from slapping logos all over your entourage is just as good, but to them… it obviously wasn’t. I guarantee that Vadim was a driving force in the actual profit share.
All I’m saying is… the guy could legitimately be dumb enough to think his name has that much stake in North America. It doesn’t obviously.
If the contract isn’t 50/50, I’ll fucking lead the charge.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 3, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m sorry, I really don’t think they’re that dumb.
There is no difference actual difference between Fedor being covered in M1 logos and Bruce Buffer saying M1 and the UFC present.
Millen specifically said they wanted half the profits from the card. If that wasn’t the driving force, and they were negotiating in good faith, they might have been able to even get the UFC to say “M1 and the UFC present…” but asking for half the profits is ridiculous. It’s like poison pill deals with restricted free agents in the NFL.
by Phildo on Aug 3, 2009 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I’m saying Fedor might be that dumb. Vadim and Millen aren’t stupid in that sense. They want that money.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 3, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
But shouldn’t they, as his manager/business partner/asshole that he pays to make stupid analogies talk him out of it and explain the differences to him?
Fedor probably has one mindset… I want to do what’s best for the promotion. And Vadim probably pushes that to the max… After all, Gross confirmed that Fedor had said it was all about retirement and something to do after fighting. I mean, money probably isn’t a huge issue for him. He’s been ripping off Japanese promotions for years.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 3, 2009 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Fair enough
Let’s see the deal
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 3, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Me too.
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by RearNakedChoker on Aug 3, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm greening this!!!
Well done Leland.
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I know that, but Logic was a hell of alot more certain…he was just enjoying the attention, I think, and leading everybody on further than the people who actually know what the fuck is going on would do.
You and the rest of the credible community weren’t making “garuntees”.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Aug 3, 2009 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah...
but he’s a commenter. That’s all I’m saying. He doesn’t have a responsibility to not make guarantees. He’s looking like an ass for sure. I’m just saying it was out there.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 3, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
A commenter who responds to a Will Ferrel Dodge Stratus joke with “I drive a Bentley GT” and “I get paid 3K an hour.”
You eliminate a lot of leeway with statements like that.
BOOSH
by Farthammer on Aug 3, 2009 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
fair enough
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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 3, 2009 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Don’t try to tell me you didn’t enjoy that particular exchange..
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
Why would MMAlogic even post today?
if his numbers are right, then he’s already made $1,500 at 3K/hr since this story broke earlier today.
He’s proll off in his Bentley GT heading towards a steep cliff right about now.
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That’s fuzzy math.
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It was a fuzzy guarantee.
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by MMArazorback on Aug 3, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I am not at all saying that Strikeforce will go out of business but they now need to be prepared to be counter programmed by the UFC at every event. I think the UFC will even go as far as putting a PPV quality card free on Spike against Fedor’s fights, which is good for us fans. O and just to let Coker know M1 Global SUCKS!
by SouthAlaBamaRampage on Aug 3, 2009 12:46 PM EDT reply actions
God I love my DVR. :)
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by RearNakedChoker on Aug 3, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Regardless of who says what, everone of us will watch his next fight and enjoy it.
A true fan cannot help but enjoy seeing a master at work. Maybe it sucks that he’s not in the UFC, but we’ll all still watch him just the same.
But most of us will be downloading it instead of watching it on Showtime.
I wonder what that does for profits?
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And over time, no one will care about Fedor.
by MetsGod on Aug 3, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Exactly
I feel the same way. I will be watching, but there is nothing out there as exciting or competitive as matches with Brock, Randy, or a rematch with Mirko Crocop.
Fedor and company really pissed away a lot of momentum with this decision. Very foolish.
by JustBleed on Aug 3, 2009 12:50 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
This thread might end up with the most comments in BE history!
by SouthAlaBamaRampage on Aug 3, 2009 12:51 PM EDT reply actions
Doubt it
This should be more of a winding down thread than a wildly speculative and argumentative one.
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In related news, Tito Santana is thrilled, but Rick Martel is skeptical.
by Patrick79x on Aug 3, 2009 12:53 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Rick Martel will win
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by Leland Roling on Aug 3, 2009 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
but what if the cologne accidentally gets sprayed in his eyes?
by Phildo on Aug 3, 2009 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
His cologne is “Arrogance”. He exemplifies it, therefore it doesn’t work on him.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 3, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Chico Santana with the flying burrito!
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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 3, 2009 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I think it was Bobby the Brain Heenan who called...
…Tito’s Flying Forearm Finisher the “Flying Jalapeno”
Six bucks around here
You can cancel it, but it’s a month either way. Pretty sweet deal, and you’re sure to have friends that have it.
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Co-promotion with Strikeforce <<<<< Co-promotion with the UFC
The UFC has a sustainable business model that allows them to make money on pretty much every event they have. Co-promotion makes a lot of sense as an ask if you’re M1 because it is basically guaranteed money. Strikeforce however could very well run in the negatives for all of their cards with Fedor which would mean M-1 has to cover half of those losses.
If the co-promotion terms are the same they asked the UFC for then I don’t understand why they didn’t negotiate a smaller percentage of profit/loss sharing since even a 10-15% share of a UFC event is more valuable than the risk associated with half of a strikeforce event.
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I’m willing to bet it isn’t under those terms. I bet it’s all in Strikeforce’s hands for some unbelievably ridiculous reason.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 3, 2009 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t really understand how the numbers can work out for this. If they’re putting it on Showtime rather than PPV, how much could they actually afford to pay Fedor? I get that every time they mention M-1 during the broadcast, Fedor’s investment in the company increases in value, but actual salary is weird.
His Affliction deal had a low base salary, then kicked in absurd amounts of money from PPV, right? So where does the absurd amount of money kick in for a non-ppv show on Showtime?
Well, the initial reports we heard a week ago had something with CBS actually helping pay for him as in they would put him on CBS at some point, but isn’t Showtime under the CBS banner?
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by Leland Roling on Aug 3, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes they are:
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_gx5202/is_2007/ai_n19123764/
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Yeah, so that makes sense. If CBS flipped half the salary, I could see Coker taking the chance.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 3, 2009 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Great
Fedor fights more guys ranked around 8-13…. This is the same crap we’ve dealt with for a while now.
Welcome to the #2 spot Fedor.
Now we get to see if Scott Coker really is as smart as everyone claims.
by ProCannonFodder on Aug 3, 2009 12:56 PM EDT reply actions
Depending on how this deal with M-1 was cut…we might not have to wait long at all…
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Aug 3, 2009 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't Care
fedor had the opportunity to fight with the UFC, and chose not to, and went with much lesser talent at strikeforce.
I'm old school hating Lesnar, I've been hating Lesnar since '08
Okay subo.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 3, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
How can you debate that statement Leland?
Every point in that sentence is a fact.
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I only say that because I was waiting for the subo rant.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 3, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Be patient......
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I think all the statements have been made.
It’s just eye-rolling time now. Fedor has essentially relinquished the #1 spot in the rankings, and opened himself to serious potential liability with potential losses to any of the Strikeforce fighters. At least if he’d lost in the UFC he’d have the excuse of fighting the best in the world. Strikeforce is just not well-known to the average MMA fan.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
WAIT AND YE SHALL RECEIVE
This is fucking bullshit.
There is a double standard that exists for Fedor. Fedor is clearly the source of it – but the big problem is that every org he’s fought for has been malleable and allowed the fantasy that somehow the same rules that apply to every other fighter on Earth somehow don’t apply to him. No, Fedor – you don’t have to defend your title repeatedly. No, Fedor – you don’t have to only fight solid competition in your weight class. No, Fedor – we’ll totally co-promote and ban elbows on the ground.
Imagine if the UFC were to announce ‘Lesnar v Silva’ or ‘Lesnar v GSP’ or ‘Lesnar v Zulu.’ They would be accused, on all sides, of a) protecting Brock’s record, b) putting a smaller/less gifted fighter in danger, c) demeaning the sport to put on a freakshow fight and d) screwing up the heavyweight picture. Guess what? They would all be right.
Fedor has shunned and slighted the American MMA fan by deciding he’d rather fight easier fights in an easier environment than come where the creme de la creme of MMA resides. The choice is his, and his alone.
And my choice is to not reward any organization that wants to enable that. Sorry, Strikeforce – it’s been real.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 3, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions 14 recs
LOL...
I was waiting for it.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 3, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Try spending a weekend in Montreal. It will help you with not giving a fuck.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wS5xOZ7Rq8
Keep firing Assholes!
Thanks to Bisping's reenactment of the Battle of Cowpens, walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
Yeah, because Strikeforce was totally reputable before that.
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Yeah, but
he’s The Last Emperor! He likes ice cream! And he’s pudgy!
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
all the UFC has to do is co-pro on CBS, and its a done deal.
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by ekc on Aug 3, 2009 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
You mean all the UFC has to do is set fire to their business model?
Well, what ARE they waiting for?
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 3, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Nah, then Vadim would demand that Dana get a sex change and win a season of America’s Next Top Model.
They don’t WANT to be in the UFC.
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Nah, then Vadim would demand that Dana get a sex change and win a season of America’s Next Top Model.
I demand some sort of visual reference for this!
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or fedor has to set fire to his business model?
what more important to you, fighters or orgs?
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by ekc on Aug 3, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree. I have a hard time caring about a guy that doesn’t want to fight the best competition in the world.
by ProCannonFodder on Aug 3, 2009 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
interesting point. strikeforce will likely need him 3-4 times a year to market him strongly, the 2 times a year he’s been doing wont work… unless strikeforce chooses to not bolster their heavyweight division. because if he fights 4 times between now and this time next year, who is the 4th fight?
I'm old school hating Lesnar, I've been hating Lesnar since '08
this feels like Albert Pujols doing a rehab stint in AAA. Yeah, it’ll be neat to watch him hit some homers against completely overmatched opposition. But it doesn’t really feel like it totally “matters”
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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 3, 2009 1:04 PM EDT reply actions 11 recs
After a fight with Lesnar, I’d feel the same way with anyone under Zuffa contract. There just isn’t a line of interesting matchups for Fedor.
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I’d be interested in seeing him deal with multi-dimensional large heavyweights like Carwin, Cain, dos Santos, finally seeing the Couture fight, Gabe Gonzaga is much more appealing vs. Fedor than the rest of the strikeforce roster after Overeem. Hell…even Cro Cop 2 is basically the same fight as Rogers
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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 3, 2009 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow, Really?
I’m not even going to go down the list of UFC hw’s. If those fights aren’t interesting to you, may I suggest golf?
by ProCannonFodder on Aug 3, 2009 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Fedor is a huge favorite over everyone in the division. Off-shore bookies opened him at -240 against Lesnar, who is easily the most credible challenger for him. That number is a very very wide spread.
To me, there’s not much difference between Couture, Carwin/Velasquez, and other UFC HW’s and guys like Overeem, Monson, Werdum, and Rogers.
Lesnar is the only fight that compels me from a sporting aspect. I don’t think anyone else can touch him right now.
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Other than the fact that Monson, Werdum and Rogers are all significantly less multi-dimensional than the aforementioned UFC fighters…
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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 3, 2009 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m not really sure I agree with that, but that doesn’t really counter my point that none of those guys are significant threats to beat Fedor right now.
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Well...
fine. That’s dominance. I think that we’d see him tested by a deeper and more talented division in the UFC is all I’m saying
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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 3, 2009 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
asolutely irrefutable.
I'm like PacMan fightin you silly kids... throw ya Hatton the ring, and get knocked outlike Ricky did.
lol.
Um, this.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 3, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Seriously Mike? You don’t think Randy Couture or Gabe Gonzaga are much more multi-dimensional than Brett Rogers or Alistair Overeem?
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by ufc4 on Aug 3, 2009 4:44 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The aforementioned guys were Cain Velasquez, Shane Carwin, and Junior dos Santos.
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You also mentioned Couture.
To me, there’s not much difference between Couture, Carwin/Velasquez, and other UFC HW’s and guys like Overeem, Monson, Werdum, and Rogers.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 3, 2009 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Which stated nothing about being multi-dimensional. However, BRENT BROOKHOUSE did say this:
I’d be interested in seeing him deal with multi-dimensional large heavyweights like Carwin, Cain, dos Santos…
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To me, there’s not much difference between Couture, Carwin/Velasquez, and other UFC HW’s and guys like Overeem, Monson, Werdum, and Rogers.
To me, there is a GIGANTIC difference, and it has very little to do with the UFC (though fighting under the Unified Rules does kick ass in my book).
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 3, 2009 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions
All those guys get smashed by Fedor 9 out of 10 times. Lesnar is the only GIGANTIC difference right now.
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And Fedor ducked him.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 3, 2009 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I also feel that the UFC’s HWs present a greater challenge to Fedor beyond Brock – but that would be getting into minutiae, and we all know how badly you suck at that.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 3, 2009 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I think thats hype. sure he is the favorite, but almost 3-1? I honestly think AA has a good shot in a rematch the was Fedor was on the ropes.
Well, it’s not like Lesnar’s lacking hype either. The Lesnar line may or may not be off, but that’s irrelevant. I agree that it’s a compelling matchup. I’m not sold on anyone else in the world posing a threat.
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I think Randy still poses a threat. I think Monson + six inches poses a threat. They are both smart enough to survive and capitalize on the sloppiness of The Fedor. Werdum has the ground skill to grind it out, but a weak chin like AA.
I don’t mean to single you out, but I think anyone who honestly finds Couture to be a serious threat to Fedor needs to have their head examined.
Randy is 46 years old. Without getting into the huge stylistic problems that Fedor presents for him, no one is going to beat the best and most dynamic heavyweight in the world at that age.
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I agree with everything you are saying and I don’t want to overplay play “he’s smart” argument, but I think Fedor is sloppy at times, not Chuck Liddell sloppy, but I think Randy can capitalize. He is low on speed, but I think he can still get Fedor down and GnP to the win. NOT Standing, but smart conservative tactics.
Randy vs. Fedor is
not a massive stylistic mismatch. Couture would get outstruck, but he’d dominate Fedor up against the chain and in the clinch. Sambo isn’t the same as GR wrestling, it’s more like Judo. Hip throws are a lot harder to do on a guy who’s used to taking a knee in order to maintain position and leverage.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
I’m sorry, but Couture isn’t dominating Fedor in any aspect of the game. His Greco isn’t some sort of kryptonite.
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I don’t think so. People seriously undervalue the difference between a ring and a cage, and Randy knows how to use it.
Does Fedor win the majority of their fights statistically? Of course he does. Anyone who argues that Randy would be a favorite in that fight is probably undervaluing Fedor’s abilities. But there are parts of the game that Couture would be able to utilize to his advantage stylistically. GR clinchwork and fighting against the cage are the top two items (perhaps the only items) on that list.
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Randy certainly has tools he can use, but do you honestly seem him DOMINATING Fedor at any point?
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More like
neutralizing him so he can make some headway.
Actually it would be pretty similar to the Brock fight. Couture would be able to do enough things to stifle Fedor in some areas, but eventually he’d get overmatched in some other area.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
Yeah, I completely disagree. Fedor’s clinch game is ultra-powerful, and most people don’t realize that. Sambo has a lot of counters in the clinch, a lot due to the Judo aspect of Sambo. The big underestimation here is Fedor’s power. He is insanely powerful. Every opponent he faces says he is, and Sylvia thought he was the most powerful guy he’s ever faced. That power coupled with his intellect and smarts in the fight game… I don’t see Couture winning at all in any area.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 3, 2009 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Again,
I’m not underselling Fedor’s power. Fedor has ridiculous strength, apparently, for his physique. It translates mostly into his striking game, but also it’s evident in his takedown ability.
The thing is, stylistically GR guys are a nightmare for Judo/Sambo guys. Judo and Sambo (at least the takedown portions) are based on executing a fluid maneuver from start to finish. GR is, like other forms of wrestling, more like watching a Boa Constrictor go to work on his lunch. An inch at a time.
Again, Fedor wins the majority of their meetings. I’m not disputing that. But to say that Couture would get absolutely pwned in every single aspect of the fight seems ignorant to me.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
It translates into all areas of his game. He has monster power with speed in the striking department, he has monster power with quick transitions in the submission department, and he uses his balance and strength in the clinch game very effectively.
Greco-Roman guys do match up well with Judo guys, but… he’d have to get to a clinch without being tagged, and he’d have to immediately latch on and control Fedor’s balance. I find that a tough sell for Couture.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 3, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess we're devolving into speculation now,
but I’ll try to leave it by saying I think it’s a lot easier to get up against the cage then you appear to be suggesting. Just backpedal until you’re there and slip a hook/overhand. We see it all the time, and once up against the cage, all of that strength and speed are nullified.
Again, Fedor wins, largely because of his ridiculous physical attributes, but Couture could make it interesting and probably frustrate Fedor up against the cage, and in the clinch.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
I never suggested that backpedaling was the solution. An overhand to the chin is going to stop Couture, and Couture’s stand-up isn’t something to write home about. He could easily get knocked out cold quickly. His best chance is the clinch, as you suggest, but I think he’ll find out quickly that he underestimated Fedor’s strength, just like everyone else.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 3, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Is somebody teaching Fedor how to transition his game for the cage?
I mean, are there experts on how to go from grabbing the ropes to grabbing the fence?
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From what I’ve actually heard, the fence might be an easier thing for him to do. He usually tries to leverage the ropes for a bounce, and then turn his weight. The Lindland incident was his hand, but he used it to turn and reverse. He could easily use the cage for bounce as well.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 3, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Dude, when I make a joke, don’t respond seriously! Just rec! :-P
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Can’t help it. It’s serious time. Haha
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by Leland Roling on Aug 3, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I probably missed it...
But who has really popped Werdum besides Dos Santos? That uppercut was a shot.
Most recently, he ate a few shots from gonzaga and Gabe is not known for his stand up. It rocked him, but Werdum did win that fight. Dos Santos has show he’s got power so I may be over stating his weak chin, but his stand up is poor.
Who has showed they have a better stand up than Dos Santos? He has over matched everyone until now, will do the same against Mirko, most likely. Werdum wrecked Gonzaga twice already, plus has improved stand up since the Arlovski fight.
He has improved his standup since his slap fight, no doubt.. But do you seriously feel that the Fedor fight is compelling at all? Werdum is a great fighter, no question; but he’s not marketable at all and is one of those guys that is just never going to get over the middle-upper tier hump.
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Yup, but he falls in the same boat of everyone in Strikeforce outside of AO and Rogers. SF will definitely need to build them up.
I’ll certainly watch those fights, but Werdum has me far less excited than Overeem. Rogers is getting too much credit for his win over AO, even though I love his upside and think he could really be a force within the next two years.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
I am high on Rogers. However, we all know who Overeem is by now. This is a guy with no heart, but so much talent. You can grow muscle and teach techniques, but you can’t learn heart.
We know Carwin can punch and take a punch.He also beat Gonzago who decapitated CroCop. Overeem is better than CroCop at this juncture, but to say he’s comparable to Carwin or Valasquez? I don’t think so.
to me...
it feels like Pujols signing with the Mets and turning down more more from the Yankees because the Yankees said he was overrated and nobody cared about a fat latino in the US.
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by ekc on Aug 3, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Strikeforce isn't the Major Leagues
So that doesn’t work.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 3, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
well its not the minors… KOTC is the minors… no more team sports analogies!
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by ekc on Aug 3, 2009 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Strikeforce is more like
the Nippon Professional Leagues. Somewhere between AAA and the NL.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
No, KOTC is like single/double A. Oh and what misterjonez said.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 3, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Excellent analogy
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 3, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
mmalogic knocked out by Fedor!!!
I am just kidding, but he did lose his bet. Fedor will not fight in the UFC….
I am excited by this news, Strikeforce was the best choice available except the UFC.
That promises good fights for Fedor.
by JackO on Aug 3, 2009 1:05 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Good fights for Fedor?
Ya, all 3 of them. Then what?
by ProCannonFodder on Aug 3, 2009 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't forget Roger Gracie
He is a very good prospect and the best at BJJ of the world. He needs more MMA experience to see if he deserves to fight the best but he has some potential and is dangerous.
Ya my nephew Bob is a great prospect too. Fedor should have signed with my family instead of the #1 Org in the world with a lot of hw matchups that I’d like to see.
by ProCannonFodder on Aug 3, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
- Brett Rogers = a really fun fighter to watch who has a puncher’s chance. Compare him to Cro Cop (in his prime) who was dismantled by Fedor. Cro Cop had better technique, better one shot power, better footwork, more speed…etc. Rogers stands no REAL shot here outside of “land hail mary punch”
- Fabricio Werduzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz = Oh I’m sorry. I drifted off there. This fight just bores the christ out of me. Also, lets try not to forget that Werdum hasn’t yet located his jaw yet after having it knocked into Lake Michigan in his last fight.
- Alistair Overeem = Actually a compelling fight…that no one in America will care about (aside from the hardcores)
Beyond those three fights…nothing. And keep in mind that whoever he doesn’t fight first will have to have a stay busy fight and none of the three top options appear immune to potentially being defeated.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 3, 2009 1:08 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
not that i’m suggesting it, but they could always sign arlovski, and try to build him back up. i’d say arlovski/werdum 2, but no one in their right mind would wanna watch that fight again. i’m sure andre’s asking price is a bit lower these days though.
Oh this^
I was just telling my buddy that it’d be cool if they sign AA and give him some decent fights and see if he can get hot again. Maybe rematch Rogers and ultimately get another crack at FeeUhDoor.
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by xFenixKnightx on Aug 3, 2009 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
SLAP PUNCH
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
IMO they should just save him for Overeem right off the bat. If not an interim HW belt against Rogers or Werdum would be cool. Then a unification match with AO. Damn I wish Strikeforce and Showtime would be smart enough to have some type of 24/7 or UFC Primetime/Countdown show. If there was ever a time to start it would be now starting with next Saturdays fight.
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by xFenixKnightx on Aug 3, 2009 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
For?
They aren’t going to fight.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
Actually, this is a consistent breakdown. Rogers is a fun fight, and they could get some interest out of that matchup. Werdum is an okay fight, but agreed… could be a borefest. Overeem is the most compelling though.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 3, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
At least it’s not tomato cans in Japan. I don’t hate Fedor for not signing with the UFC, I’m sure he has his reasons, whatever they may be, and I respect that.
I can never get behind a fighter who wouldn’t sacrifice to fight the best in the world, but thats just me.
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I'm glad to hear this.
It was pretty obvious Fedor was not going to be fighting in the UFC. I pretty much knew this was the case and the only place I wanted him to go was to Strikeforce. Things are about to get very interesting to say the least. :)
Now the EA MMA game gets even better. Their main focus will be Strikeforce and free agents like King Mo. Hmm, I wonder if Dana will say anything about this on the Vlogs this week lol.
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Only person in Strikeforce I see beating Fedor is AO. He wouldnt lose any kind of credibilty…
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by xFenixKnightx on Aug 3, 2009 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Just like Georges St. Pierre became irrelevant when Matt Serra KTFO, right?
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GSP is more than the record and you know that...
he’s got looks, charisma…etc.
Fedor is almost entirely mystique and record. A loss to anyone on the strikeforce roster would be crippling.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 3, 2009 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
GSP so sooooo dreamy. It’s true.
Like a cracked-out version of Jean-Claude Van Damme, but I hear chicks like that.
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Well...it depends what era JCVD we're talking about...
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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 3, 2009 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Mike Tyson didn’t become irrelevant when he got owned by B. Douglas, and I’d say a loooot of his hype came about due to his wrecking ball image and undefeated record.
If you can find me an example of someone completely falling off the face of the earth because of one loss, someone near the stature of Fedor, I’m willing to grant your point.
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I’m not saying it would drop him off the face of the earth…but the only hype most non-hardcores know about him is that he is an unbeatable monster from Russia. If he comes over, and loses in his first 1-2 fights…he’s done.
With Tyson everyone watched his development and SAW him being a monster. It’s a different situation.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 3, 2009 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
and by "done"
I mean that the non-hardcores are going to write him off.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 3, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, if being “relevant” is defined by the non-hardcore fan, he’s not relevant now, so I’m not sure how losing changes anything.
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Losing a significant portion of your marketability and leverage in negotiations does not make you irrelevant.
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by Mike Fagan on Aug 3, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It sure as shit doesn’t help. Fedor’s now the guy that turned down the most lucrative offer in MMA history – and it’s very, very hard to argue that it wasn’t a move to protect his record/duck Brock.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 3, 2009 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s a good thing I’m not claiming he is or isn’t ducking Brock or the UFC.
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How can you not claim either one?
He either is or isn’t, Mike. What do you think?
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 3, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
BECAUSE THIS ISN’T THE ISSUE THAT I WAS DISCUSSING UP ABOVE.
1. People claim a Fedor loss throws him into irrelevancy.
2. I refute the claim.
3. You enter discussion, disregard the previous conversation, and start to ballyhoo about him ducking the UFC and/or Brock Lesnar.
I don’t have to prognosticate on whether Fedor is or isn’t ducking. I don’t know, and I’m comfortable saying that.
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I’ll put italics on a different word in the same question.
What do you think?
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 3, 2009 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Christ almighty, Fagan, I don’t know whether there is or is not a God, but I sure as hell have an opinion on it. I could be wrong, but I lean to one side.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 3, 2009 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
You’re a real beauty.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 3, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m sorry that I don’t feel the need to offer an opinion on something that I don’t feel strongly about.
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And you should be. FOR SHAME FAGAN! FOR SHAME!
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You’re claiming ignorance when there’s a mountain of evidence for one side and a molehill for the other. That’s your choice, I suppose.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 3, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Now you’re just being cute.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 3, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Having a conversation with you is like having a conversation with SmarterChild. Eventually, you get to a point where you start saying the most ridiculous things possible to see how you’ve been programmed to handle it.
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by Mike Fagan on Aug 3, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I think you’re just reaching to defend your Fedor fandom.
That’s why I’m not mad.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 3, 2009 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m not trying to defend anything. I think he’s making a mistake by signing with Strikeforce rather than the UFC. I’m not going to turn on him for it though.
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I don’t think there’s much he could do that would make you turn on him.
He’s hurting the sport I love by doing this.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 3, 2009 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
…when regular dramatic will suffice.
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Disagree with what I said
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 3, 2009 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, I define “hurting the sport” as in tarnishing its image. I.E. Margarito’s handwraps, Michael Irvin’s coke habit, Shawn Kemps 8 million bastard children, etc.
Fedor signing on with Strikeforce puts off a superfight that would certainly increase the rapidity of growth. It’s certainly not “helping” the sport, but I wouldn’t say it “hurts” it either.
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Creating ambiguity as to who is the best heavyweight in the world hurts the sport. Period.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 3, 2009 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Then UFC is hurting the sport
B/c Fedor was #1 LONG before Brock even started MMA.
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by FredPancake on Aug 3, 2009 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
It’s a good thing there’s no ambiguity then.
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Not for long. Brock defends one more time and he’s #1 on a chunk of the rankings.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 3, 2009 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Here's something to think about.
If Brock was #1 and Fedor #2, then the “best” would still not be fighting B/c #1 in the division would still not be fighting #2.
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Then we’d be saying all these things about Brock, so what?
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Oh come on, that was just once, and it’s not like the hobo was doing anything with his life.
Besides, you just have to look at it from the right angle: they got a homeless guy off the streets.
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by jemaleddin on Aug 3, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He could have had a gun.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 3, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ve disagreed with and criticized the UFC and Dana specifically on numerous occasions.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 3, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions
And we forgive you.
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Fedor's in Strikeforce, Lesnar is UFC champ, and Kimbo is in the UFC
If you need more convincing that there is no god, I don’t know what to tell you.
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He could just be fucking with us. Once you abandon the idea that God has to love you, His existence becomes more possible.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 3, 2009 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, I only argue against the idea of an omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient, and omnibenevolent creator. Because there’s no evidence.
On the other hand, the idea of some cosmic force that fucks with my sports teams? Let’s just say it: I grew up a Bears/Cubs/Mariners fan.
ALL THE PROOF I NEED.
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Broncos/Nuggets/Rockies. Mm-hmm.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 3, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
You might be getting
a glimpse of reprieve with the M’s, though. Zduriencik has done an outstanding job thus far with the club.
Now, either extend or trade King Felix. I’d prefer the former, but the latter is far preferable to losing him for a couple of draft picks.
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Aww, we're tougher than that!
We’ve lost Jr. (dodged a bullet on that one, maybe…not totally convinced things would have gone down the same if he’d stayed), RJ (that stung, but we did get reasonable compensation for him, we just traded away Guillen for Ramontiago right before he exploded) and AROD quicker than we could figure out what happened. We can handle The King’s situation just fine.
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2007 Patriots become irrelevant immediately after the Super Bowl, win or lose. DUCY?
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It’s awfully silly to compare the relevance of Fedor Emelianenko to MIKE TYSON.
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1. Again Tyson was super popular.
2. Kimbo Slice, who is and was more well known than Fedor dropped off the earth until Dana extended him an olive branch. I have the feeling he will once again drop off the edge of the earth
Kimbo Slice isn’t on the level of Fedor Emelianenko.
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correct...
His popularity is lights years ahead of Fedor…his talent is light years behind…
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by ANance on Aug 3, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
Lets not forget
Tyson was fighting the best fighters available. Fedor fights the best not in the UFC
by cmcbeast on Aug 3, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Excellent
I was second guessing my decision to get showtime for boxing over the weekend. I’m glad I did. This is awesome news. I just hope Strikeforce can find the opponents to make a Fedor signing worthwhile.
Sorry the boxing sucked...
more sorry the boxing stole my fucking money. All that damn quitting…
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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 3, 2009 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry but Boxing sucks on both HBO and Showtime right now.
GSP: I pulled my groin.
Greg Jackson: I don't care Georges! HIT HIM WITH YOUR GROIN!
by xFenixKnightx on Aug 3, 2009 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
*sigh*
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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 3, 2009 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
No?
It’s been pretty weak all year except for Pac/Hatton and Diaz/Marquez.
GSP: I pulled my groin.
Greg Jackson: I don't care Georges! HIT HIM WITH YOUR GROIN!
by xFenixKnightx on Aug 3, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh...
yes. I misread that as “boxing just sucks” but yeah, it’s been an off year for sure. The super 6 is legitimately exciting though.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 3, 2009 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
No, I love boxing but it’s just plain sucked this year with those 2 exceptions. Can’t wait for the Sup6. I’m actually looking forward to Mayweather Marquez too even though I pretty much know hes going to do what he always does. I love me some Marquez though so you never know. IMO he is teh only person to have beaten Pac even though he doesnt have the W to prove it. Saw the Diaz fight live here in Houston and it was electric at the Toyota Center.
GSP: I pulled my groin.
Greg Jackson: I don't care Georges! HIT HIM WITH YOUR GROIN!
by xFenixKnightx on Aug 3, 2009 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
What’d you think of the whole Campbell fight?
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by Leland Roling on Aug 3, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
It was a pretty clear headbutt. He looked like he was on his way to a loss…but it’s not right to give him a TKO loss after that headbutt
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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 3, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, for sure it was a headbutt.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 3, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
That was a pretty questionable decision, but the super-middleweight tourney looks to be phenomenal as well as the MMA upside to having the network. The words “good times” come to mind.
Yeah...
the Super 6 is going to be one of the coolest things in combat sports in the last 10 years
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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 3, 2009 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Does everybody see now why Strikeforce didn't take the bait with Affliction?
They got just bits they wanted and none of the crap.
On the other hand, they also got a millstone.
By the way, Luke: Fedor is not, was not, and has not been a free agent. He is and has been under contract to M-1. Why does everyone insist on pretending that doesn’t matter when it’s clearly the MOST important factor in all of this?
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by jemaleddin on Aug 3, 2009 1:17 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
It doesn’t matter. sorry, be open contracts might as well be no contracts. the sticking point is his manager runs m-1. contract or no, that is the issue.
By that reasoning, he’s STILL a free agent.
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He is, in fact, still a free agent. Whats the line on him fighting in Japan before fighting in the US?
What’s the line on him EVER facing real competition again?
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That contract is probably as important as the paper I flushed down the toilet this morning.
What good is a contract if the people can’t hold up their end of the bargain?
How much is M1 paying Fedor per fight, where is that money coming from, is it possible for them to put up a fight on their own?
Lot’s of people had contracts with Affliction that got thrown out the window in the last week, Fedor and his manager (since they own M1) could have thrown out the m1 contract if they wanted to.
And yet Fedor just took a much less lucrative offer for co-promotion.
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by jemaleddin on Aug 3, 2009 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It just goes to show that for some reason, there was no possibility of him going to the UFC, and it’s all their decision.
Asking for half the profits of a card he was on is ridiculous. He obviously wasn’t getting that from Afflliction, because they had no profits so that plan would have been out the window.
How so? Really, think about it. Unless you’re just saying this to be like everyone else I just don’t see how Coker would let this happen. Fedor won’t be on ALL of the cards. I’ts the PPV talk that will get me a little iffy about the situation but Coker is a very smart guy.
GSP: I pulled my groin.
Greg Jackson: I don't care Georges! HIT HIM WITH YOUR GROIN!
by xFenixKnightx on Aug 3, 2009 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Coker had a good thing going with the UFC not putting on fights/re-runs/whatever up against it. To go into a 50/50 deal with M-1 doesn’t make much sense to me, because it is the hardcore fans who are really worried about Fedor and where/what he does next. Most of these fans already watch and enjoy Strikeforce. I just dont see the need for them to get Fedor, why risk so much? Strikeforce is the #2 promotion in the US, and I think most agree on that. Is this going to make them #1?
I guess we will see if it was worth it the first time Fedor fights for them. Wouldn’t be at all surprised to see a UFC 100 replay on Spike the same night.
What, Fedor in Strikeforce?
For all of those that have Showtime, you now get to watch Fedor in Strikeforce and an AWESOME boxing MW tournament coming up involving Abraham, Kessler, Taylor, Froch, and Dirrell!

by MMASuPreMaCy on Aug 3, 2009 1:19 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
The Super 6 is going to be AMAZING
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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 3, 2009 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I got Froch winning – you?
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 3, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
What makes it so great is I have no idea who is going to win. They all have a really great shot of winning.
Froch-Taylor was the best boxing match I’ve seen in a while. I’m sure I’ve missed like 20 because boxing isn’t my thing, but that was an amazing fight/last round.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 3, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
We get to watch Fedor in “The Hexagon”! lol Seriously though its going to be cool seeing Fedor in a cage finally.
GSP: I pulled my groin.
Greg Jackson: I don't care Georges! HIT HIM WITH YOUR GROIN!
by xFenixKnightx on Aug 3, 2009 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Coker is a Mastermind in Negotiations...

by MMASuPreMaCy on Aug 3, 2009 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions 29 recs
Awesome
GSP: I pulled my groin.
Greg Jackson: I don't care Georges! HIT HIM WITH YOUR GROIN!
by xFenixKnightx on Aug 3, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I like this...
rec’d
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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 3, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
HAHAHA
Score.
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THIS IS GREAT FOR MMA!!
this will force the UFC to only offer more free fights, better cards, and better pay!!!
competition=better mma for fans!
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by ekc on Aug 3, 2009 1:19 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Yeah
I mean, the UFC has been giving us complete shit up to this point, maybe they’ll finally get their act together and start putting on fights people actually want to see.
I don’t think they’re actually going to let him kill me... And if he does kills me, book sales will really go up. Boom…win-win, bitch.- Forrest Griffin on Anderson Silva
by ufc4 on Aug 3, 2009 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
My Utter Stupidity (Or Maybe Scott Coker's)
Fedor is not going to Strikeforce. There are no money matchups for him there, and more importantly, Scott Coker is a smart enough promoter to realize that he cannot afford Fedor and that he should not allow a co-promotion with the likes of M-1. After all, M-1 has done wonders for Monte Cox and Tom Atencio in the past.
No sir, Fedor won’t be signing with Strikeforce.
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2009/7/27/964069/why-fedor-will-go-to-strikeforce#18738007
Oops.
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We were both wrong, my friend
We overestimated Scott Coker.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 3, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
He’s going to lose money on this.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 3, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Read above. Strikeforce will lose money on this. Those mitigating factors means they won’t lose as much money as they would have without them.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 3, 2009 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Mark my words:
M-1 will not lose a penny. Count me among those who thought Coker was smarter than this.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
The Ufc’s cards as a whole seem pretty good to me. I like more free fights. Better pay? I couldn’t care less.
better pay is very important… that is how you get better athetes to train MMA and not footaball or basketball
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by ekc on Aug 3, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
People always say this, but it really doesn’t matter.
UFC salaries have been going up on their own. They completely ignored Affliction salary wise because it would have been stupid for them to try to compete with them for salaries. They really don’t have to do much to top Strikeforce’s salaries, they really aren’t throwing that much money around.
People always say this, but it really doesn’t matter.
How does it not matter?
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Because salaries in the UFC have been consistently going up over the last few years without any serious competition. I really don’t get why people get all bent out of shape over the salary thing. It seems pretty obvious that the UFC is paying out the most that they can.
Everyone who tries to pay more than the UFC goes out of business. They are improving the salaries at the pace they should be improved. Artificially raising salaries due to “competition” would not necessarily be a good thing.
there has been very serious competition, the competition has not lasted but it always there…. these fighters get paid based on what competition orgs would also pay them, if there was absolutely no alternative tho the UFC, do you REALLY think fighters would get paid anything worthwhile?
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by ekc on Aug 3, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
People are making the competition out to be more serious than it is. The UFC hasn’t even come close to being threatened by anyone.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
not branding wise, but in luring fighters away with better contracts, there is competition… just look at robbie, nick, eddie, and a buttload others.
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by ekc on Aug 3, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I was wondering how you thought paying enough money to attract top level athletic talent didn’t matter. Seems like you were arguing a different point.
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War Strikeforce!!!
This is a GOOD thing for MMA. If Strikeforce can effectively market Fedor (big if, I know), this could really grow their promotion. He is the baddest man on the planet and CBS could grab the attention of millions of new viewers. This will help grow the sport and help fighters get better sponorship deals, etc. It will help Strikeforce by giving them a great bargaining chip to co-promote with Dream and Sengoku, Shooto, Bellator, etc to bring in fighters for their other fighters. Gomi or Aoiki or Alvarez for Punk or Melendez would be sweet. Babalu and Fihlo would be a bjj clinic.
This gives the fighters more options, assuming SF can stay in business long enough to catch fire.
I wanted to see Fedor-Brock badly, but maybe in the long run we still may and this time Brock will actually stand a chance, since he won’t be so green and maybe by then Fedor will start to show signs of not being a cyborg.
by Obey_Giant_Silva on Aug 3, 2009 1:27 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Love the avatar/screename, hate the argument. I do, however, think it’s possible that Fedor wins three straight and then goes to the UFC to face Brock…. then again, I’m going to be fervently rooting against Fedor from now on.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 3, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Finally
this whole mess is over for at least a few more months. But I hope that Fedor doesn’t lose in stikeforce( I know what your thinking, but just about anything is possible in MMA) because if he does lose in Strikeforce, the UFC will offer him next to nothing if he comes back to the table.
i’m really coming to hate the term “good for the sport”, mainly because it’s always used in the context of creating competition to the ufc. how is fracturing the top 10 talent pool, overpaying fighters, canceling events at the last minute good for the sport? so far, the ufc is the ONLY org that has shown competence and consistency. i do enjoy non-ufc mma, but this is getting rediculous
by lordschroder on Aug 3, 2009 1:46 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Strikeforce doesn’t cancel shows or overpay fighters, BTW. They are actually pretty damn consistent.
But where is their hype machine? They havent gotten on th eball with that. There is no Countdown show or 24/7 show. WTF is wrong with Showtime?
GSP: I pulled my groin.
Greg Jackson: I don't care Georges! HIT HIM WITH YOUR GROIN!
by xFenixKnightx on Aug 3, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Everyone who has co-promoted Fedor has over-estimated his drawing power.
by ProCannonFodder on Aug 3, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s too bad StrikeForce didn’t keep Kimbo and get Tito. If Fedor had demolished Kimbo and then ran through Tito, it could have made him a huge star.
It’s too bad they didnt get Tito because people would tune in to watch him and then see Fedor. Coker wouldnt match those 2 up. He would want Tito as his LHW champ.
GSP: I pulled my groin.
Greg Jackson: I don't care Georges! HIT HIM WITH YOUR GROIN!
by xFenixKnightx on Aug 3, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Simple Truth:
If Fedor really wants to fight the best in the world, signing with Strikeforce does not accomplish that. Unless he wants to fight Gina.
Simple Truth:
It’s the best option other than UFC.
GSP: I pulled my groin.
Greg Jackson: I don't care Georges! HIT HIM WITH YOUR GROIN!
by xFenixKnightx on Aug 3, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, he killed every other option…
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He killed Dream and Sengoku? When?
GSP: I pulled my groin.
Greg Jackson: I don't care Georges! HIT HIM WITH YOUR GROIN!
by xFenixKnightx on Aug 3, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Those aren’t options that prove him to be the best in the world, if that’s his motivation.
by ProCannonFodder on Aug 3, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Dream is a zombie – you don’t kill Zombie’s you dismember them. And as you may have heard: they’ve had pretty dire ratings.
Sengoku is a mess after this last card.
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How is Sengoku a mess? That was a great show IMO.
GSP: I pulled my groin.
Greg Jackson: I don't care Georges! HIT HIM WITH YOUR GROIN!
by xFenixKnightx on Aug 3, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Dude, their superstar got KTFOATD (knocked the fuck out almost to death) and they had three divisions worth of screw-ups. More here:
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2009/8/3/973281/world-victory-road-comes-up-short
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by jemaleddin on Aug 3, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
KTFOATD
That’s classic. I can’t believe it happened to Gono. I guess I’m glad i logged off after that fight, the rest of the card seems to have been equally unbearable.
Well, the Kitaoka fight was rather humorous to me. He seemed to have no rhyme or reason as to when he’d shoot for a takedown. He’s get stuffed, waste energy, and then when he got tired, it got even worse.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 3, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, not sure how it was great.
Sandro won and got screwed. Kanehara got owned for two rounds, then lost… then Hioki couldn’t continue, so they throw Kanehara into the final fight against Omigawa, who didn’t win.
Gono got crushed, and was already being defeated by Hornbuckle before the KO. Kitaoka isn’t a man to build the LW division around anymore, and I could see Hirota getting beat by Gomi, to be perfectly honest. It just didn’t turn out well.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 3, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
All of which is a long way of getting to: and their Heavyweight division isn’t much of a division.
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Oh yeah… Ivanov vs. Fujita… the fight in which NOBODY won. Not the fans, not the fighters.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 3, 2009 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nor the reputation of Japanese judging…
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Well, to be fair.. it was Ivanov’s helicopter punching vs. Fujita’s lay n pray. If I was a judge, I’d call for a draw just to screw them over.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 3, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
what is strikeforce worth on the open market? coud UFC just buy them now that they have something Dana wants. I mean they were gonna pay 30 mil for just Fedor. Could strikeforce sell for something in that ballpark?
That would depend on if Coker wanted to sell. It isn’t like they have Strikeforce stock that’s publicly traded. UFC can’t initiate a hostile takeover.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 3, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Why this is interesting...
1: I’m from San Jose, and I might get to see Fedor 10 minutes from my house
2: Any legit heavyweight who doesn’t want to join the UFC will have a home. Coker and Strikeforce have been around for a long time, so joining up with them now that Fedor is there should be appealing to many top heavyweights
3: The timing is bad for strikeforce…the heavyweight ranks are thin, and Zuffa has most of the prospects tied up for TUF 10. Wonder how many of those guys will be given contracts just to keep them out of Strikeforce’s hand.
4: Looking at the existing fights is short-sighted. Sure, they’re not Fedor v Lesnar, but so what. Any heavyweight who wraps up their UFC contract (or doesn’t have one) will seriously consider coming to strikeforce to get a shot at Fedor. If this is more than a 3 fight deal, I’d expect in a year Strikeforce will have a deeper heavyweight stable than the UFC. Assuming of course that Fedor doesn’t lose to Rogers or Overeem. LOL.
5: It helps to legitimize Strikeforce belts. Thompson? Meh. Cung? Maybe if he actually fought. But if in 3 months Fedor has the SF heavyweight strap, Diaz or Heiron have the welter strap, Mousasi has the LHW belt, and Carano or Cyborg have the women’s belt? Well now we’re talking. They might all be interested in sticking around to defend their belts instead of jetting off to Japan to fight people in Godzilla costumes.
All in all, I’m excited. I would have been more excited if he was fighting next weekend, since I have great tickets, but I can’t have everything I guess.
by gocjeffe on Aug 3, 2009 2:02 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Any legit HW...
would be in the UFC if they could be.
by ProCannonFodder on Aug 3, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not sure...
Maybe, but with Fedor actually fighting in a legit promotion in the states (sorry affliction), I think most heavyweights looking at signing a contract would seriously consider coming to strikeforce to get a crack at fedor.
yeah, might wanna ask arlovski and sylvia how that whole picking fedor over the ufc thing worked out for them.
just look at Arlovski’s bank account.
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by ekc on Aug 3, 2009 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
ha. fair enough… but seems like short term gain, long term loss to me.
hopefully he gets his head right and comes back strong.
hey, if he beats Rogers, nobody is questioning AA… lumping AA with Timmy is just wrong.
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by ekc on Aug 3, 2009 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
actually threw the $250,000 $300,000 win money a fight Arlovski I think that the amount he was getting in the UFC when he left. You take that and the time that has passed now sence he left the UFC he would of proabably fought in the UFC about 4 to 5 times now and all ths sponsorship money being in the UFC brings Arlovski would of probably be close to the same amount that Affliciton gave him not to mention have a home and 2 less L’s on his record !!!! I know dam well if Arlovski and Big Tim could go back bolth would of resigned with the UFC in a second if they knew then what they knew now ?
Hope he knows how to manage that last check. Future deposits might be a little lite…
by ProCannonFodder on Aug 3, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah these next few months should have Strikeforces title pictures a lot clearer. Good stuff.
GSP: I pulled my groin.
Greg Jackson: I don't care Georges! HIT HIM WITH YOUR GROIN!
by xFenixKnightx on Aug 3, 2009 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Sure....today
But this is how you build a division. Honestly, if the financial terms are good, this is what Strikeforce really needed to become real competition for the UFC, and that’s what the fighters ultimately need…a couple of good choices of promotion.
Emotionally, I’d rather have everyone fighting under the same banner, but that’s never going to happen, so I’d like to see at least 2 good companies out there.
Am I the only person that sees building a division around a 33 year old fighter with 30+ fights as probably not the best option. I mean, it is better than what they have now, but who knows how long Fedor is around for.
Is that a better or worse idea than building it around Kimbo?
Also: FEDOR vs. PETRUZELLI. SET IT UP, COKER!
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How many more heavyweights will consider joining strikeforce now
Compared to yesterday?
How many fights does Randy have left on his contract? Big Nog? If Brock loses a fight soon will he be loyal to the UFC? What if Gonzaga loses again?
The real question is why are some of these fighters in the sport? If it’s to test themselves against the best, then in 6 months I expect Strikeforce’s heavyweight stable will be considerably more stacked than it is today. Again, it sort of depends on how many fights the contract is for. If it’s a long term deal…say 6 fights…then I give them a better chance of luring some talent.
As it stands now they’ve got Overeem, Mousasi (who is a ranked HW as well), Rogers, Werdum, Buentello.
I think the make or break as far as how much this will help Strikeforce overall is
1) how hard the UFC works to lock up all the heavyweights currently under contract and working on TUF 10
2) how many fights this contract is for
Then it’s up to Strikeforce to sell Fedor to the US mainstream AND hope he doesn’t lose fast. CALLING JAMES THOMPSON!
wow.
I'm like PacMan fightin you silly kids... throw ya Hatton the ring, and get knocked outlike Ricky did.
lol.
i hope alstair recovery speeds up
so we can see alstiar vs fedor for the heavyweight title in october because thats would possibly the biggest fight they could put on this year for strikeforce. the gina carno vs cyborg fight will not compare to it
Biggest fight for hardcore fans. Not even close for casual fans.
by ProCannonFodder on Aug 3, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
So…
We’ll have the #1 HW in the world holding the Strikeforce Interim HW belt?
Lame.
Keep firing Assholes!
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by Ubernoober on Aug 3, 2009 2:26 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
There isn’t a lot that isn’t lame about this – but so it goes
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 3, 2009 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I just don’t see how this goes well for Fedor or Strikeforce.
As far as major potential opponents go:
You have a guy who is prone to groin shots and keep pulling out of fights due to a stupid hand injury.
You have a fairly unmarketable, overmatched BJJ guy.
And you have fairly marketable big puncher who is quite green.
If Fedor loses to any of these guys his stock is ruined.
Even if Fedor breezes throught the Strikeforce HW division, that in itself is no guarantee that it will increase his profile or that of M1.
Once these fights are over I don’t know where they even think they can go for future opponents.
Antonia Silva? Maybe some castoff from the next TUF?
I think he will be 2 or 3 of the guys Strikeforce has and be left trying to negotiate with the UFC from a weaker spot than before.
I dislike Matt Hughes.
Ug
Look I’m not goin g to argue that Strikeforce has the depth and talent of the UFC, it’s clear they don’t. But can we please not trash the guys they do have like this? It’s really easy to pick apart anyone, it’s not fair to the hard work they put in.
I myself don’t see how it goes well for strike Froce just teaming up with M-1. Where are the last 2 orgs that did that now and the last 3 orgs that signed Fedor and thought he would carry a PPV ? I think Mr.Coker thinks he can promote Fedor better then theother orgs did and he will be proven wrong just like the other orgs were. I just don’t see this ending good for strike Froce. I was really hoping Coker would stay far away from signing Fedor and this M-1 copromotion Bullshit. UNREAL !
“I am looking forward to going back to work and fighting at the highest level,”
If Fedor genuinely believes that this is the ‘highest level,’ he’s delusional.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 3, 2009 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
He’s perfect at cliche answers.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 3, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Fedor signing makes ESPN's news
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Strikeforce Death Watch:
Closest pick to Strikeforce’s death date in months gets to brag about being right.
17 months
Keep firing Assholes!
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by Ubernoober on Aug 3, 2009 3:07 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
17 months and one day
Oh yeah, I just “Price is Right-ed” your ass.
by rzor on Aug 3, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I can't believe they never closed that particular loophole.
I guess they were counting on the shame mechanism to keep people in check. They should have known better, they’re in television for cryin’ out loud.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
Dude, it's ridiculous.
Come on. Maybe loophole isn’t the perfect term for it, but you know what I mean. It’s insane that you are simply at the mercy of your position in the lineup. If you go last, you can $1 over any previous bid and all of a sudden you’ve essentially deleted another player.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
It’s called strategery.
If you don’t like it, just guess the actual price, then you win.
by Phildo on Aug 3, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Again, my overriding point stands.
Essentially it’s a competition of utter chance, with your position in line determining whether or not your bid will matter or not.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
I can’t believe I’m engaging in a debate on Price is Right, here on an MMA site.
Needs more Carano.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
by misterjonez on Aug 3, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
There’s chance involved? On a game show? NO WAY!
Seriously though, the position in line changes though. And people are LOL bad at bidding.
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I’m against you for 2 reasons.
1. there has to be some sort of rule, no matter what happens, there’s going to be some sort of loophole. If they make it so you don’t lose for going over, if you make a good guess first, someone will go 1 dollar over and someone will go 1 dollar less, and you’ll be in the exact same situation.
2. Bidding 1 dollar is awesome, especially in the showcase at the end.
I'm not arguing against the entertainment value of the $1 bump,
but c’mon. That show’s been on forever, and one would think they’d have made some changes as time went on.
It’s probably for this very reason that they haven’t changed it. Such an obvious, glaring hole in the system can’t help but be dissected by the fans/viewers to generate even more interest.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
Jesus Christ
Only Fedor could make otherwise rational people debate the merits of the opening bids onThe Price Is Right on an internet message board.
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As a fan..
This stinks. Yeah Rogers and Overeem are talented guys that look to have bright futures in MMA, but no one is clamoring to see those fights right now. Don’t even get me started on Werdum. Everyone wanted Fedor in the UFC against their best. This announcement is nothing less than a letdown.
as a fan, this is great.. now UFC will counter program with a free fight night when fedor fights, just like they did with elitexc and affliction… which means more MMA for everyone.
competition=good for fans
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by ekc on Aug 3, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I have to disagree. Competition is good in that it brings more MMA for us fans. But I, along with many others, wanted to see Fedor fight the best the UFC had to offer. Fedor signing with Strikeforce is a step down and not want anyone wanted to see.
by filipinomix2oo0 on Aug 3, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I need to make a point that hasn’t been brought up.. I used this analogy when EliteXC was in business with Kimbo.. Of course they can put a guy on free cable and gain exposure.. You know why that is ?? Because they are not being asked to pay for it.. The percentage of people that actually have subscriptions to Showtime is in the minority.. CBS would house some fre fights and do great numbers.. Again, because it’s free.. The PPV model is the “money maker”.. Sponsorship & Advertising revenue gets split with the network(s) who will get the first piece of the pie on the returns. Maint due to the fact that now the “Network” is jumping back in bed with an MMA promotion. The difference here is that if SF did get the same exact deal as EliteXC, then they could be looking at future financial trouble, because they were on a pay as you go type of model with CBS. They basically had to put up a retainer fee to even be put on there air. Then on top of that, they had to split the cost’s with the network & the network gets priority on the returns.. So while they may bring in a few million viewers, that wont equate to financial success with the promotion.. The promotion is banking on the fact that it hold’s well enough that the network will financially cup the entire production and then the promotion makes enough money to cover talent.. It’s a lot cheaper to cover talent than it is to cover the production & venue cost’s..
Bottom line is that now they may be forced to go into the PPV model in order to sustain financial success and it’s been proven time and again that the PPV model is where businesses drown because they dont have the marketing power and pull that the UFC does.. The WWE was the world leader in PPV as a whole for years, Vince McMahon is a marketing genius & even he has lost his grasp on the buying public.. Like I said, it’s easy to get anyone to watch when they’re not being asked to pay for it.. The moment they start putting their hands out looking for returns from the general public is the moment the ball drops…
1) Strikeforce DID NOT get the same deal as EliteXC did, they got a much better one.
2) Strikeforce won’t have Fedor fight on every card (which would mean losing money) like Affliction did.
3) When Fedor does fight, CBS/Showtime will split the bill on his costs.
You mean splitting the losses.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 3, 2009 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly my point though.. CBS will put up half the cost’s.. In return they get half the profits, but the key here is that the network DOES NOT put up any money without a retainer marker or a liability insurance. IT’s a known fact..
Therefor they get priority on the returns.. So if the return means there was only 75% on the actual cost’s then the network is damn sure going to take their 50% first and leave the promotion with the other 25% while the promotion lost out on the other 25%.. It’s not a true 50/50 split when dealing with major networks.. Everyone knows they play to win and they dont sustain too many losses.. They’re not taking any risk really, because the moment they dont recoup their cost’s they cut the cord on the whole show.. That’s how TV shows and series can get dropped on a dime… regardless how successful they may seem to the viewer..
Strikeforce DID NOT get the same deal as EliteXC did, they got a much better one.
Source?
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
Yeah source ???
I recall reading the exact contract that EliteXC held was what was offered to SF.. The terms of the deal were not very good.. Thus the reason you “wont” see the UFC jumping at a network deal for the sake of a TV deal.
It makes no sense to “pay” to get on TV if your product is “that good”. Dana has clearly added to that statement in his recent press conference by acknowledging that they were not going to “pay” to be on TV again.. They did that already with the first Season of TUF.. They’ve established their product enough to get “paid” to put their product on the air.. Big difference between the 2..
What, the 1 million EliteXC is done, Pro Elite sells assets to Strikeforce, signs Showtime deal weren’t enough? There are more but this is the fastest one I could find.
http://www.mmaweekly.com/blog/2009/03/strikeforce-deal-with-showtime-and-cbs.asp
Let me just say this...
We aren’t talking about the big three here only…
Rogers, Werdum, and Overeem are all mentioned, but Fedor will probably fight Barnett in Japan under this deal as well because of Coker’s relationship with K-1/DREAM. I’m willing to bet we’ll see an NYE show that has that fight.
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Let him do it. I don’t care anymore (can’t you tell)
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 3, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You may not care, but I guarantee you a lot of people will. Although, I think Fedor crushes him, so it really isn’t that compelling.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 3, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Depends on what you mean by "A Lot Of People"
I think Subo will actually be in the majority.
Perhaps that wouldn’t be reflected by a poll on this website, but I think it’s the truth.
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Plus, people act like new competitors wont be build up throughout his fights. They already have an awesome prospect in Roger Gracie.
Except he never fights.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 3, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, there's a worthy opponent for the best HW on Earth
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 3, 2009 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
No he isn't
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by Leland Roling on Aug 3, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
OMG you're right!
Then again, I think the top HW in the world should be facing top five, maaaaybe top ten competition, which simply doesn’t exist in Strikeforce.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 3, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Roger doesn’t have anything but subs, he’d probably get wrecked standing. He needs a lot of potential builders IMO.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 3, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow. The HW division DOES suck outside the UFC, doesn’t it?
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 3, 2009 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
That only works if the ex pro wrestler can sell 600k buys by himself. Lashley cannot do a tenth of that.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 3, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Honestly, Lashley wasn’t even that popular in the WWE. Unlike Lesnar, fans never took to Lashley and he was being pushed as the next Lesnar.
by filipinomix2oo0 on Aug 3, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
He’s white, obv.
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by Mike Fagan on Aug 3, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
But built like a black man.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Aug 3, 2009 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Lashley was also kind of a hack on the microphone. Brock got pretty decent at it.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 3, 2009 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s how I pick fighters: by how they ROCK THE MIC!
AW YEAH, SON!
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Well, Lesnar being white probably had a little to do with it. But also when Lesnar was being pushed he had a great manager in Paul Heyman. He was also tremendously athletic and was able to put on quality wrestling matches. Lashley was seen as a Lesnar clone and the fans noticed it. Also, he wasn’t nearly as athletic as Lesnar and often put on shitty matches.
by filipinomix2oo0 on Aug 3, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
(And yet nobody denies that being white helped.)
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by jemaleddin on Aug 3, 2009 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I know, but I’m pretty sure it was a factor. The only African-American that has reached stardom in the WWE has been The Rock. That’s it. Racism is still prevalent in pro-wrestling.
by filipinomix2oo0 on Aug 3, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Racism is still prevalent in pro-wrestling society.
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Half and his father was Black and from Canada (I don’t know if that’s African American, these names are stupid)
But that doesn’t change the point. The Rock was not popular at all until he got his hands on a microphone, and he can probably work a mike better than most people/wrestlers, so he’s an exception to the rule.
There’s no way he can work a microphone better than me.
Off? GOT IT.
On? DONE.
Jeez, it’s not rocket surgery.
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Please....
…stop this. Fedor vs Roger will never happen.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
Isn't the reason Josh is with Sengoku
because Barnett had beef with DSE?
Also, Strikeforce representatives on Sherdog Beatdown radio in 8 minutes.
Yeah, but usually all that shit dies out when NYE comes up.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 3, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Its Kind of funny shit right now listing to trike Force VP Mika Framowitz right now on sherdog radio talking about the Fedor signing saying that he thinks that M-1 and Affliction did a great Job promoting Fedor in America. And that becasue of that the fans should know who Fedor is. Hearing statments like that just make me think its the same old shit with Fedor/M-1 but just another new org. OK really Mika real great Job they did !
Pu up a poll to get a general consensus on what the fans truely feel about this deal.. That way we can look on it and get a better reading as to how the majority of the hardcore’s really feel. They only one’s that are affected by this deal is the Hardcores.. The casual’s dont know and wont care.. SF & CBS dont have enough in the stable to really market just 1 fighter.. It takes 2 to tango & they dont have the funnel system that the UFC does to build stars.. If they try to mimic the UFC now, it just looks like a knock off & they wont win over any new fans.. It’s a little late in the game for promotions to counter what the UFC has built.. Because anyone trying to copy their blueprint comes off looking second rate & copy catish…
Where’s the poll ???
by MMAuthority on Aug 3, 2009 4:00 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Fedor in Strikeforce
Maybe now we’ll get that Fedor v. Bob Sapp fight that Fedor’s people turned down once upon a time in PRIDE.
To me, it’s much more interesting to watch him in freak show matches. Fedor v. Sapp. Fedor v. Butterbean. Fedor v. a Giant Panda. These are the matches that the fans want.
Strikeforce should split their Heavyweight division into two sub-divisions. The Heavyweights (Overeem, Rogers, Werdum, Roger Gracie’s one fight), and the Fedorweights (Fedor, Sapp, Jan Nortje, PANDA). Then, when one man has cleared out each division, Strikeforce can book a unification match. Shortly thereafter, the match will be cancelled and Strikeforce will be done away with.
But who cares, because in 40 years I’ll sit my grandchildren down and tell them about the time I watched Fedor Emelianenko fight A GIANT PANDA.
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Dana strikes...
“Fedor is a f—-ing joke,” UFC President Dana White responded Monday after learning that Emelianenko had signed with Strikeforce. "He turns down a huge deal and the opportunity to face the best in the world to fight nobodies for no money!"
http://sherdog.com/news/news/update-fedor-to-strikeforce-ufc-responds-18883
by Tonley on Aug 3, 2009 4:10 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Watching Dana flip out is pretty funny sometimes.
Keep firing Assholes!
Thanks to Bisping's reenactment of the Battle of Cowpens, walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
And yet – other than the joke part – he’s not wrong…
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I doubt we’ll be hearing much more about it from him. I think he’s hurt.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 3, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Didn't see this one coming....
and if you believe that, I’ve got a bridge I’d love to sell ya.
by becomingcold(216) on Aug 3, 2009 4:11 PM EDT reply actions
“Strikeforce is a top fight promotion that houses some of the greatest fighters in the world,” said Emelianenko in a press release. “I am prepared to fight any of them.”
http://sherdog.com/news/news/update-fedor-to-strikeforce-ufc-responds-18883
I’d love to see exactly WHO THE HELL he is talking about in this one
by becomingcold(216) on Aug 3, 2009 4:16 PM EDT reply actions
I’m curious as to who the four or five fighters are. Rogers, Overeem, Werdum… they aren’t seriously thinking about Roger Gracie are they?
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by Leland Roling on Aug 3, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions
They aren’t seriously talking about Brett Rogers are they?
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Appeal-wise to casual fans, I could see it, but I think they are overestimating the interest from the AA knockout. So, I’d somewhat agree.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 3, 2009 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Because everyone was calling for Rogers instead of Belfort before Affliction 3 got canceled. I don’t think they realized that people wanted Rogers as a worst case scenario option.
I was happy with Rogers as an opponent when there was 8 days notice. When the options are everyone and the fight isn’t scheduled, most people would prefer the UFC, and even if he goes to Strikeforce, it should probably be overeem or Werdum first.
I know i'm gonna get flamed for this but...
I think people should really stop underestimating Monson.
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Well, they’d have to sign him first. Probably not a huge problem though.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 3, 2009 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ll be happy to do that.
Once people stop overestimating him.
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People think Fedor would kill Jeff on the feet..
But, on the ground it would be fairly even. Remember that everybody(including me) thought Jeff had no chance against Sergei on the feet. But, he got him down and subbed him.
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Yeah, except Sergei isn’t exactly good at takedown defense. Fedor is very good.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 3, 2009 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
True
I’m just saying Jeff has a better chance than people give him credit for.
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So instead of losing in 2:47, you think he’d last until 3:!5?
That’s fair.
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Stop
You have no idea how long the fight would last.
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Ummm, I verified it with my Magic 8-Ball.
By which I mean I sat and did lines with mmalogic until he told me.
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by jemaleddin on Aug 3, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Fedor signs w/ Strikeforce(Not UFC)

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-James Arthur Baldwin
Damnit, probably.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 3, 2009 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Twenty bucks say they put UFC 100 against their first CBS show.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 3, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
when Lesnar vs Couture was played on Spike it brought in 3.3 million viewers so if Lesnar vs Mir would be put on to counter Strikeforce it may exceed 3.3 million
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Maybe not. After all, Randy is bigger draw than Frank.
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Haven’t you heard? Brock Lesnar is the most important person in the world of sports entertainment mixed martial arts!
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I can't believe this but...
I totally agree w/ Subo.
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Im going to get flamed
But Im not mad at all. Fedor did whats in his best interest.
Showtime has a lot of money to throw around. Look at what they just did in boxing with the super middle weight tournament. Bad Left Hook has covered it very well. That also shows a fighter like Fedor that showtime has the connections to co promote and work with networks in europe.
Ive got news for you, Fedor does not care about the American mma fan. Most foreign fighters dont. Take a second and let that soak in… done crying? He does care about growing the sport in Russia. The best way to do that is to stay with M1 global, as the UFC does not have any intentions of getting him over there. If youre an american soccer fan, you love watching other nations play, but you really want to see the sport grow here. Its the same situation Fedor is in. The best way to do that is to stay on top. Why risk it in a fight with a guy who would have 50 lbs on you in the ring? If america had won the world cup, why would they play Brazil, Italy, Germany and England right after? They could go 0-4 and America would stop caring. Ride the wave and beat up on scrubs. Thats how Fedor is promoting the sport in Russia.
It behooves fighters financially to be in long term deals, but Fedor was a) getting offered a deal based on ppv numbers, b) fighting Brock first (fml) c) fighting someone else really good second. If he looses the first one, he wont see the PPV numbers again. If he lost those 2, hes out… ufc has the number one HW league going and the fighters are fucked because they really dont have a choice but to sign with UFC if they want to fight. Then the UFC can choose to pay them pennys. Its much better for the fighters to have options.
Dana is a dick. He insulted Fedor and the guy dosent want to work for him. I wouldnt either. Russians are very proud people.
The way for Fedor to make money is to keep winning. Dana would rather see him loose and validate the UFC HW title, than win all 6 fights. To keep winning Fedor needs protect his record at this point. He is getting old and is not endeared to the fans like randy. After he is done fighting, he will continue to make money from M1 Global.
I say good for him. Dana white pisses me off. While he puts on a good show, he fucks over his fighters and I dont agree with that.
by ryanwk628 on Aug 3, 2009 4:35 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
I actually agree. One of the few BE Fedor fans who haven’t jumped of the bandwagon.
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"Not everything that is faced can be changed. But nothing can be changed until it is faced."
-James Arthur Baldwin
he fucks over his fighters and I dont agree with that
By this you mean paying them more and giving them consistent work?
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
I’m curious to see what his definition of fucking over fighters is.
by filipinomix2oo0 on Aug 3, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Paying Jardine like $6,000 for to fight guys like Chuck, Forrest, and Rampage. While, Those guys get paid between a quarter and a half a million $. Keep in mind that Keith won 2 of those fights and nearly won the 3rd.
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Let’s not pretend that we have any idea how much those guys are actually getting paid.
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So, you think those #’s are WAY off ,and Keith got paid a similar paycheck?
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I have no idea
And neither do you. :-)
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Keith has stated before that he is very happy with how much he is making in the UFC.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
No way
I hear that Dana is a terrible person who cheats his fighters.
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And kills hobos
I don’t think they’re actually going to let him kill me... And if he does kills me, book sales will really go up. Boom…win-win, bitch.- Forrest Griffin on Anderson Silva
HOBO. SINGULAR.
Sheesh.
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And Brock kills homos, right?
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by ufc4 on Aug 3, 2009 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
HOMO. SINGULAR.
Sheesh.
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by Day Man on Aug 4, 2009 1:43 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs

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