UFC President Dana White Defends Michael Vick
by Luke Thomas on Aug 28, 2009 10:05 AM EDT
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"I hope Michael Vick wins the Super Bowl, makes $3 billion and is the greatest comeback story in the history of sports, man," White said. "When are they going to stop crucifying this [expletive] guy?
"This guy went to jail, OK? He went to jail. He lost all his money. What he did was terrible. The whole dog thing was terrible, but do you want to talk about a guy who has paid his [expletive] dues? Then he comes back and the NFL puts a suspension on him, too, after he gets out of jail.
"I think the guy has taken it on the chin like a man. You haven’t seen him bitch about it. … He walks out of bankruptcy court this morning, because he has to pay creditors back $20 [expletive] million and he walks out smiling and he’s going to play tonight."
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"He’s more than paid his dues," White said. "There’s some football player who just killed somebody drinking and driving. He got 28 [expletive] days. He killed a human being. He got 28 days and the league suspended him for a year. What the [expletive]? Are you kidding me? Pretty crazy."
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"In regulated sports, or in society, you have to pay your dues," White said. "You get in trouble, whatever society says you have to do, you have to do. Once you have paid that debt to society, leave me the [expletive] alone. Let me get back and do my thing. I have never seen anything as cruel."
Everyone's got their opinions on Vick, but the takeaway here is what White would do were one of his fighters placed in a similar position to Vick. Provided they served their time for their crime and still had some ability to compete (as well as being marketable), it appears White would welcome them back to the UFC with open arms.
For a charge as repugnant as dog fighting, interstate gambling and vicious cruelty to animals, one wonders if that would affect MMA's image within more confined elements of the mainstream sporting community. Then again, the real test for the UFC would be for them to successfully use their clout and PR ability to rehabilitate a fighter's image. Sure, they did it to some extent with Rampage last year, but that situation is the parking ticket to Vick's high speed chase. When the situation gets more notably ugly and high profile, it's not clear if the UFC has the capacity to draw leniency and forgiveness for a tarnished fighter in a sport already looking for some measure of second chances itself.
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Everyone’s got their opinions on Vick, but the takeaway here is what White would do were one of his fighters placed in a similar position to Vick.
I think we saw some of this attitude when Rampage had his issues.
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Cause people from a distance can't tell who is who
Rampage’s crime and Vick’s crime are similar, but dissimilar, too. The magnitude of what happened to Vick trounces anything that happened to Rampage before, during and now after his prison sentence. And the prison element about how redemptive the experience is is something not even involved in the Rampage situation. The two are not exactly analogous experiences.
by Luke Thomas on Aug 28, 2009 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
not to mention....
the huge ethical difference. Going bat-S-crazy from dehydration or whatever it was is waaay different than purposefully cruelty to animals and what amounts to organized crime over a number of years….
Frankly, I think this is one of the many times when Dana should think these things in his head if he wants to, and shut his mouth.
I really think that Dana (not the UFC) saved a life in Rampage as Dana genuinely cares about him. I don’t know that Dana would go the distance for all of his fighters, just the ones he has a personal and non business rapport with.
Vick on the other hand I don’t give a f’k about. Dog Killer.
by JAYGK95 on Aug 28, 2009 10:08 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
As much as I loathe what Vick did, I can’t see crucifying him for the rest of his life. At some point, shouldn’t we all just move on? He seems to have done some soul-searching and is the better for it (I hope).
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by Scott C. Broussard on Aug 28, 2009 10:10 AM EDT reply actions 10 recs
I agree with Dana. He paid his dues now leave him the fuck alone. Dog fighting 2+ shoot your self in the leg 2+. DWI vehicular manslaughter 28 days hmm….got to love the judicial system
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Stallworth KILLED a guy drunk driving and got a month. A month. People are crucifying Vick because they see a gangster personality to boot, and all he’s done is apologize, shut his mouth, and try to move on in life. I agree with Dana, although i hope he only MAKES it to the super bowl and loses to the pats. I hate what he did to those poor dogs, but realistically they are only animals, and far worse is done to animals for the sake of us eating every day.
by Austin Martin on Aug 28, 2009 10:13 AM EDT reply actions 4 recs
How is a deer being shot and hung on a wall any less cruel than breaking a dogs neck? Or maybe a cow crammed into a semi for an 18 hour trip to the slaughterhouse? Or an animal shot with an arrow, laying there bleeding to death. They are one in the same, the only difference is we don’t eat dogs so everyone gets their panties in a bunch. Animals are animals, Period.
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bulls
if you’ve ever been to a bullfight, its very disturbing. I walked out when i was watching.
The difference being, its acceptable because prize bulls are sold at about 90 bucks an lb
by Austin Martin on Aug 28, 2009 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
It's acceptable
because it is part of the culture. Running & killing bulls goes back hundreds maybe thousands of years & it did not start with a taking the bulls to market intent.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
right
and thats cultural relativism. see my post below.
by Austin Martin on Aug 28, 2009 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
All i'm saying is...
KILLING ANIMALS IS KILLING ANIMALS! Paint it with whatever brush you need to. If I was given the choice to fight for my life or be shot unexpectedly while taking a dump in the woods, I would choose to fight.
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by ANance on Aug 28, 2009 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
See my post below.
You may make a moral point, but the current law is different.
Change the law is you want, but the situation we are dealing with now doens’t look at it the way you do.
I understand the law...
I just love how there is a double-standard. All this talk about meat is making me hungry.
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Oh wow, we treat different animals differently! We don’t treat a whale the same we treat an ant, we don’t treat another human the way we treat a dog, and we don’t treat a dog the way we’d treat a cow. Who’d’ve thunk that we’d draw a line somewhere? Part of it is cultural and part of it is because different animals are legitimately quite different. Recent studies have shown that dogs have roughly the critical thinking skills of a human toddler. They’re not exactly the idiots of the animal kingdom. I’m not even a dog person and I think dog fighting is sick. Fuck that shit, Vick’s sentence was definitely appropriate.
That being said I more or less agree with Dana White. I think he’s paid his dues, and seems genuinely remorseful. He’s always going to carry a degree of stigma anyway. I don’t think he should be barred from making a living at the one thing he excels at. He’s already lost two years of his athletic prime, any major endorsements, and even his base salary I imagine has been affected what with his lowered market value, so I would think he’s lost the majority of his remaining prospective remaining career income.
the key words being
you would CHOOSE… not the same luxury that is afforded to dogs in dog fighting.
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In all likelihood, Stallworth would have killed the guy had he been sober, and Im pretty sure he was hovering right around the legal limit, and under by the time they tested him. You have to look at the circumstances. He didnt intend to kill anyone. Vick did, over and over. Brutally. Drowning, slamming and electrocution were ways vick killed his dogs… and he got pleasure out of it. Thats why people are so offended. Yes he has smiled and shut his mouth, but he has yet to show real remorse.
Dont get down on Forrest, no one has moves like Anderson Silva.
you're just implying a relativistic attitude
Because our society has become so PC and soft. What Vick did could be considered sport in some cultures, including the gangsteristic upbringing he had. For a white kid from the suburbs such as myself, i could never ever harm a puppy because i love dogs, but if you are raised into a culture where it is acceptable then it doesn’t occur to you how wrong it is until you examine it from another perspective.
I guarantee those brutal killings and drownings were done with 10s of his buddies onlooking, them all under the influence of someone, and everyone getting into it. It was sadistic, but if he had been in a south american or eastern european culture, or even asian that didn’t place such a high value on dogs, then the punishment would be far less if at all.
Stallworth got behind the wheel after knowingly drinking alcohol, and this resulted in the death of a human being. It doesn’t matter how the endings came, but the means are never justified
by Austin Martin on Aug 28, 2009 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
we are not in eastern europe, south america or asia. This is America… ask Don Frye. Also, in those areas, if you walk in fornt of a car… youre an idiot and will be left in the road for the dogs (ironically)
Stallworth settled a civil case outside of court. A criminal case would have been thrown out because the guy walked in front of him. Sober or drunk, the guy would have died. Drunk driving is terribly negligent, but not premeditated. Driving around and under the limit is common practice in OUR society. How many of us BE readers watch UFC events at Bars or friends homes then drive home after having a few? Stallworth knew he did wrong and cooperated as best he could, where Vick literally buried the evidence.
Im all for Vick getting a second chance, but am trying to explain the legal standing off all this.
Dont get down on Forrest, no one has moves like Anderson Silva.
"What Vick did could be considered sport in some cultures"
Not could be, it is. If you do not live in the South, you would be absolutely shocked how prominent dog & cock (insert joke here) fighting is. Hell, Philadelphia has reportedly the worst dog fighting problem in the country.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
I call BS
It’s such a pitiful excuse. “But it’s a part of our culture to force animals to kill each other!” Yea, well, it’s still WRONG.
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You call BS on what?
I am not excusing this behavior in any way. I am simply giving you examples of what happens. Of course it is wrong, but much like children who are raised in a racial household sometimes end up being racists themselves, kids who grow up around dog fighting do not see it as wrong.
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no, i get what you are saying
That wasn’t directed at you per say, but the thought behind it. I think it’s an excuse to do wrong. Culture should never be used as an excuse for cruelty.
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Not completely sure.
But PETA & Humane Society listed Philly as having the worst dog fighting problem in the US.
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wow
I hate what he did to those poor dogs, but realistically they are only animals, and far worse is done to animals for the sake of us eating every day.
I couldn’t disagree with this statement more. As a society we’ve made dogs and cats completely dependent on us for survival and we should just “get over” someone brutally killing them for fun and profit? Pretty disgusting. Sorry.
Does anyone else think this is going to turn pretty ugly?
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not sure about you
but I haven’t cuddled with a chicken in a while… it’s a little complex…
And I disagree. I think they would fair MUCH better in a “wild” setting than a domesticated cat and dog.
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I’m as far from a vegetarian as possible, but there’s nothing incorrect about what he’s saying. The meat that’s mass produced and consumed in NA are kept and raised in pretty terrible conditions for the most part, but people just turn a blind eye and keep on eating.
True
but cows, chickens & other food bearing animals are not social animals. That is why people come down so hard on Vick & not the meat markets. I am a dog owner, meat eater & a huge hunter & I also grew up & live in the South where people used to (sometimes still do) fight dogs. This is a culture thing. I do not agree with fighting animals at all, because that is not what they were put here for.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
You were saying something about pigs?
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
This is not a question of intelligence.
Pigs are social in their own kind. Just because some people choose to domesticate them & keep these as pets doesnt change anything. I have friends who have freaking cows as pets.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
Sympathy from a promoter to an ex promoter.
You don't look like a Tanaka.
by spectaa on Aug 28, 2009 10:15 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
athletes are forgiven for sexual assualt
every year. In my mind, thats the worst crime you can commit, and it just gets swept under the rug. Its disgusting that universities try to cover it up. Vick did some messed up stuff, but he took accountability for it.
The Vick thing reminds me of the movies. It’s like in an Independence Day—- you can show the aliens blowing up millions of people, have crowds of people being annihilated or fleeing in panic, but god help you if the f****** dog gets hurt!
c'mon though, you definately were anxious that golden wasn't gonna make it
Same thing as the first scene in gladiator, with russel crowe’s dog. I saw two guys get impaled with a spear, but i was dreading the dog getting scratched
by Austin Martin on Aug 28, 2009 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
I definitely felt that way when I watched Gladiator, BUT I try not to let my unreasoned, instant emotional responses govern my personal philosophy. Just because I feel really bad when a dog dies—probably as bad as I do when I hear about a human dying—that doesn’t mean that the two are equivalent. As human beings we have a choice to consider our emotional reactions and decide what’s right and what’s wrong and to decide what’s bad and what’s worse. I choose to believe that killing a single human being while driving drunk is 1000000x worse than killing 1000 dogs. I’m not saying that’s an absolute truth, but that’s what I believe.
I choose to believe that killing a single human being while driving drunk
driving drunk had nothing to do with that guy dying. Walking in front of a moving vehicle did, or so said the police investigation. Sober or drunk, that guy was dead.
Dont get down on Forrest, no one has moves like Anderson Silva.
its the letter of the law though
you can’t have grey areas or people start getting away with crimes they shouldnt have. He drove drunk, and killed a person while drunk driving. That should be way more than a month jailtime, or what is the law for?
by Austin Martin on Aug 28, 2009 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
That’s not what the law where his accident was says.
Many places say, “you’re drunk, you’re in an accident, it’s your fault, period.”
That’s not the law where Stallworth was. Just like Plax got more time because he got caught with a gun in NYC than he would have if he got caught with a gun somewhere else. Different places have different laws.
well, when you write the law too strictly you end up with Plaxico situations. The law is grey so that decisions can be made based on extenuating circumstances. After some rapper (Puffy I think) got off on a gun charge, they made it a minimum of 2 years for carrying a non NYC gun in NYC.
Plaxico had the gun registered in NJ, licensed in NJ but brought it into NYC (thats like saying your drivers license is no good in NY… 2 years min for driving without a license)
He was carrying his gun because his teammate had just been robbed at gun point and drove another guy back to the same community. He did not commit a crime or intend to. He had a permit to carry the gun in NJ. He did not harm anyone but himself. He turned himself in. Two years? No negotiation? Thats what happens when you write the laws too strictly.
Dont get down on Forrest, no one has moves like Anderson Silva.
And you have to realize that NY
instituted their mandatory gun laws because they were having so many problems. This likely will become a non-mandatory sentence after time. But I have no sympathy for the length of Plax’s sentence. Had he come clean & not fought bk he likely would have come off much lighter.
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he couldnt come off lighter. 2 year minn.
Benjamin Brafman Talks About The Plax Case (VIDEO)
That will explain the law in NYC.
Dont get down on Forrest, no one has moves like Anderson Silva.
He could have. There is virtually no difference between 2nd and 3rd degree possession of a loaded and unlicensed weapon.
2nd degree has a huge mandatory minimum sentence, many people who have plead to 3rd degree get much less time or just probation.
He could have easily been charged with 3rd degree if he acted differently/they didn’t want to make an example.
You are wrong.
There was a story from NYC just a few months ago where a store owner shot two robbers with an “unlicensed firearm”. There are ALWAYS grey areas, whether or not you can be part of that is determined by your actions.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
watch the video. If youre charged with possession of an unlicensed hand gun in NYC, its 2 years.
Dont get down on Forrest, no one has moves like Anderson Silva.
DUDE.
Come on man. This is not correct. I will try to find that store owner story for you & then you can read it while you are watching the video saying “ANY UNLICENSED FIREARM IN NYC IS MAND 2 YRS”
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
If you are charged. The mayor made a big deal out of this and plax was charged. There are cases all the time where the cops look the other way. Many police officers will confiscate the weapon and list it as “found.”
Dont get down on Forrest, no one has moves like Anderson Silva.
So they could have chosen
not to charge Plax just as easily then. Thanks for helping me make my point. It was actually noted in the article that the store owners gun was not registered, which is precisely why the story garnered national attn.
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Had the mayor not publicly called out for them to prosecute him to the fullest extent of the law, then yes. However they wanted to prove a point based on his 2007 <a href="http://www.nyc.gov/portal/site/nycgov/menuitem.c0935b9a57bb4ef3daf2f1c701c789a0/index.jsp?pageID=mayor_press_release&catID=1194&doc_name=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nyc.gov%2Fhtml%2Fom%2Fhtml%2F2007b%2Fpr242-07.html&cc=unused1978&rc=1194&ndi=1" >Guns = Prison Campaign
The press release is linked
Dont get down on Forrest, no one has moves like Anderson Silva.
The mayor called out for it
after finding out that Plax tried to hide it by registering at the hospital under an alias.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
You have got to stop
thinking that there are no grey areas in anything, and dont believe things just because a lawyer reads the actual law. There are always scenarios & circumstances.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
Im not saying there are not grey areas.
I brought up Plax because an earlier poster called for the law to be stricter, with harsher penalties for DUI related accidents and the Burress Case is a great example of how writing a law to be very restrictive does not allow for extenuating circumstances. In plaxe’s case, he knew it was 2 years, or a dropped case. No option for 1 year or some middle ground.
Dont get down on Forrest, no one has moves like Anderson Silva.
I get you,
but my point is that there always grey areas in everything. Given the circumstances. Plax’s downfall was lying & then trying to fight this. We will never know, but had he not done those things he could have had a very different outcome.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
I believe that given the circumstances, 2 years is excessive. Keep in mind that had this happened in Hoboken, nothing would have happened because it was a NJ registered gun and he has an NJ permit to carry.
The mayor is the reason plax could not get it reduced. He was made an example of after people have seen guys like puffy and lil wayne get off on worse gun charges.
Again, my original point was that when you write the law this strictly and hold those charged to the letter of the law as plax was, it does not take into account extenuating circumstance that could warrant a harsher or softer penalty because the punishment has been decided before the crime occurred.
Dont get down on Forrest, no one has moves like Anderson Silva.
I give up.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
haha, actually I dont know why we were arguing. Yes there are grey areas.
Dont get down on Forrest, no one has moves like Anderson Silva.
Just no.
http://www.newyorkcriminallawyerblog.com/2009/04/tremendous_criminal_defense_vi_1.html
They got someone off for having a gun in NYC.
If you are charged with it in the third or fourth degree, you don’t get 2 years. 4th degree is a misdemeanor.
Right
but he was charged with 2nd. He couldnt get a plea deal lower. The mayor wanted to make an example of him
The mayor called for Burress to be prosecuted to the “fullest extent of the law” after the Super Bowl hero shot himself inside a crowded Manhattan nightclub last November.
It was 2nd or bust.
Dont get down on Forrest, no one has moves like Anderson Silva.
Are you kidding me man?
Every day people are initially charged with a high level crime & then it is sometimes lowered or raised depending on the circumstances. Had Plax & his people got out in front of this he likely could have avoided such a harsh sentence.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
So that sort of proves everyone’s point.
You said if you have a gun in NYC you get 2 years.
That’s wrong. The way Plaxico’s case was handled, he had to get 2 years.
Once you are charged with 1 crime it’s very easy to lower it to a different one, it happened to plaxico. He was charged with 2nd degree possession of a loaded and unlicensed weapon, and he plead guilty to attempted gun possessin.
Im not arguing with you. My point was in response to an earlier comment that the law should be harsher and people held to the letter of the law. Plax was, by the mayor and he had no options despite his extenuation circumstances.
Dont get down on Forrest, no one has moves like Anderson Silva.
Life is grey my friend.
If you do not realize that then I do not know what to tell you.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
Life is comprised of nothing but grey areas. Even with the law. If you’re caught doing 10 over the limit on the interstate at 5pm on a wednesday, a cop will pull you over; at 10pm the same day, he doesn’t. The law is the law. Going 1mph over the speed limit is illegal, find me one cop (who’s wife and kids weren’t just killed by some crazy terrorist group) that would stop you.
by Screwface on Aug 28, 2009 2:12 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I’m not necessarily talking about any specific instance of drunk driving. I hadn’t even heard that story. I’m just saying that, in general, driving drunk and killing someone is far more serious than killing dogs.
I believe that if the accident would have occurred without alcohol, the fact that the driver was drinking should be irrelevant.
Yes, but . . .
Yes, Vick has done his time and paid a heavy price for in regards to his mistreatment of dogs. But on another level it’s hard for me to completely forgive the guy. Vick’s crimes are of the type to make you wonder if he’s evil in some way.
^this
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Nobody is saying the guy is likeable. He’s not a guy I’d invite over for dinner with the family.
But the public mockery of him has gone on a long time, and it’s not needed.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Aug 28, 2009 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
"He’s not a guy I’d invite over for dinner with the family."
I would. Why? ’Cause of the fact that he paid his dues.
AND that this whole thing with people and animals has just gotten plain ridiculous.
HUMANS are more important than Animals. Sure, some animals make great pets but that’s all they will ever be : PETS. A source of affection for people who didn’t have any originally.
I am sick and tired of everyone getting so worked up over the deaths of DOGS and then everyone going “ho-hum” when a HUMAN was Killed by Stallworth!!
HUMANS ARE MORE IMPORTANT IN LIFE AND EVERYTHING THAN DOGS, DAMMIT!!!
Humans make the world go ‘round. They’re the ones who invent things, come up with new ideas, contribute to this planet’s future for better or for worse!! Animals are there for just two things : Either 1.) As Pets or 2.) As FOOD.
The SPCA needs to get lost and go save the whales or something. A man has a Football Career to revive….
RANT OVER..
And dog fighting isn't the only crime or mis-deed his has ever done.
Let alone was his dog figthing crime a momentary lapse in judgement.
Let the man get out and pursue some kind of living, just not one that enjoys fame and fortune. He can feel free to return to college, finish his degree in some area (trying not to laugh here) and pursue a normal career without all of the perks that professional athletes enjoy.
Who are you to say what his career should be now though?
He’s in millions of dollars of debt and still has the capability to play professional football. In two years not a single person will remember this happening. Ray Lewis killed a person and won a super bowl the same season, and noone cares.
by Austin Martin on Aug 28, 2009 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm the same as anyone else here.
I’m also someone who has and continues to work in fields where such a mis-step would end my career permanently…
I’m also someone who thinks the examples like Vick are why we have so many problems with certain demographics in certain locations because of what they learn from Vick like situations. Commit a terrible crime, do you time and still be rich and famous.
And so what about Ray Lewis? Do you really think the right answer in society is that say that one failure to set a moral standard should mean that no moral standards should ever be attempted?
by Razreshat on Aug 28, 2009 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Preach it
rec’d for troof!
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"Ray Lewis killed a person "
You might not want to write things that are not true. Pretty sure there is another person in prison right now for that crime.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
"Let me get back and do my thing. I have never seen anything as cruel."
there’s a couple dogs who might disagree with that statement.
As a sidenote, I don’t have any problem with Vick sitting out a few more games this year. He missed 0 games from suspension, he missed a lot of games already because he was in jail, but none from the suspension. If Ricky Williams and Pacman can get banned for a year for pot and the various stupidity Pacman has done over the years, I don’t see why Vick shouldn’t get a few extra games for what he’s done.
A lot of people are spinning the Vick and Stallworth cases and “Killing Dogs vs Killing a Man.” While the dogfighting and abuse caught most of the media attention, the much bigger deal to the fed’s case was the gambling.
As repugnant as Vick’s behavior was, he’s served his time. Doesn’t mean we have to stand and cheer, but I have no problem letting the man get back to work.
I think we can all agree
that whichever side you’re on, PETA sucks and should be disbanded. I hate hearing from anyone who sides with them and their ridiculous opinions. You can be a vegetarian and NOT be a d-bag, it is possible.
by Austin Martin on Aug 28, 2009 10:47 AM EDT reply actions 8 recs
god yes
PETA gives animal lovers a bad name… I’m more of a Humane Society kind of girl.
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No.
We can’t all agree on that.
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by The Kittitas Kid on Aug 28, 2009 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
PETA funds animal liberation groups who firebomb research facilities (it’s in the tax records). I don’t like most animal testing, but that is essentially domestic terrorism. They equate pet ownership with slavery and the Holocaust, which is a huge overstatement & misunderstanding of evil. As against animal testing as they are, one of the highest officials in the org (if not Newkirk, than someone close to her), uses diabetes medicine tested on dogs; if she practiced what she preaches, she wouldn’t take it.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Aug 28, 2009 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Awesome post.
I wasn’t aware of their stance on pet ownership.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Aug 28, 2009 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
You should never, ever take your intellectual cues from them. Ever.
by Luke Thomas on Aug 28, 2009 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
It’s entertaining, sure, but I always verify their facts & find more reliable sources. I just find it a fun show.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Aug 28, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
And they own/run one of the biggest “kill” shelters in the world.
They kill most of the animals that they “rescue”
by Phildo on Aug 28, 2009 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Wasn't there
A recent scandal where they were caught dumping the bodies in some insanely public place?? Hmm… let me see if I can find the story…
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by Riney on Aug 28, 2009 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
+50 for this
THIS
That’s what it should stand for. Bunch of hypocritical bozos….
I'm not going to get into a big thing about it on an MMA blog.
I’m all too aware my politics don’t match up with the majority of MMA fans; things like the Dana-saying-fag kerfuffle have proven that to me time and again.
I will say, though, that PETA claims non-violence as one of its principles:
The animal rights movement is nonviolent. One of the central beliefs shared by most animal rights activists is the belief that we should not harm any animal—human or otherwise. However, all large movements have factions that believe in the use of force.
Additionally, radical animal rights stances hew closely with Buddhist views on the subject. To wit:
It is impossible to live without causing some harm. We’ve all accidentally stepped on ants or breathed in gnats, but that doesn’t mean that we should intentionally cause unnecessary harm. You might accidentally hit someone with your car, but that is no reason to run someone over on purpose.
You don’t have to agree with it, but, like anything, it’s more nuanced when you examine it closely.
Source: http://www.peta.org/about/faq.asp
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by The Kittitas Kid on Aug 28, 2009 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
The whole “non-violence” thing isn’t true. They have enough ties to violent groups to where they’re basically a front (follow the money). Getting celebrities to pose nude for them is the misdirection. I despise animal cruelty, and fully agree with that Buddhist statement, but doubt how closely “radical animal rights activists” follow it – these are the people who put nails into trees to injure loggers.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Aug 28, 2009 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Gotta agree with those saying give Vick a second chance and leave him alone. My brother in law is in prison in Leavenworth, KS right now which is where Vick served most of his sentence. He got to know Vick pretty well over the past few months (we actually have his cell number and email address) and he seems to have really thought a lot about what he did and what’s to get his life back in track. I heard on ESPN yesterday someone asked Vick’s wife at the airport why they were flying commercial and she said “we aren’t rich like we used to be”. Nice to see that he isn’t feeling sorry for himself and acting like people owe him something, he just wants to get his life back on track and salvage what is left of his career.
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by ufc4 on Aug 28, 2009 10:52 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
“There’s some football player who just killed somebody drinking and driving. He got 28 [expletive] days. He killed a human being. He got 28 days and the league suspended him for a year. What the [expletive]? Are you kidding me? Pretty crazy.”
Ease up Dana…read the facts of the case before you judge. That could of been any of us driving home after a few drinks. wrong place wrong time.
As for Vick…the stigma attached to his name will always be the best punishment.
That could of been any of us driving home after a few drinks
Speak for yourself.
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by iiowyn on Aug 28, 2009 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
exactly, it could have been any of us in that position, and it could’ve been any of our love ones getting destroyed on the front end of his bentley. Whats your point.
by Austin Martin on Aug 28, 2009 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah and any one of us would have got more than 28 days. The FACTS are he was DRUNK (BAC way over legal limit) and he killed someone. You mean to tell me he wouldn’t have had a better chance of avoiding that guy if he was sober?
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by ufc4 on Aug 28, 2009 11:06 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
And the biggest difference between
Stallworth & Vick was that Stallworth pretty quickly realized he was fucked & threw himself on the mercy of the court.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
and the actual laws involved.
There are many places where he would be locked up for a long time after getting in that accident. The accident happened somewhere where he could get off easier.
Of course.
But the real problem with these pro athletes who fuck up royally is thinking that they can fight it & get off easier. Lots of places now look to make an example of them because of this & when they fight instead of admitting they did wrong it makes it much easier.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
No kidding
I’m not driving a beater or a Bentley. I’m fairly certain the only thing I’m driving is my friends nuts.
Wait, that sounds bad.
I think any man that can go through a public trial, serve his time, pay his dues, and all he has done has been humble and apologetic deserves a second chance.
If any one of us had been in Vick’s shoes, all morals aside, would you be as humble? Could you keep your cool when millions of people crticize you everyday even though you served time and lost all your money? I couldn’t. I would lose my fucking mind. I think everyone here has done something they aren’t proud of, to various degrees, so who are we to sit here and act like our shit dosen’t stink?
Get over yourselves people, Mike Vick did.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Aug 28, 2009 10:53 AM EDT reply actions
If any one of us had been in Vick’s shoes, all morals aside, would you be as humble?
Sorry. Can’t see myself torturing and killing animals for shits and giggles. My momma taught me better.
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by funnytiger on Aug 28, 2009 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Glad to see you are above hypotheticals. Aren’t you a little angel.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Aug 28, 2009 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Can you read? I’m not saying that at all, I’m talking about his lack of putting himself into a hypothetical situation.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Aug 28, 2009 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Why is that necessary?
Do we all have to put ourselves in a murderers or rapists shoes to be able to render an opinion?
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
Did you even read the original post? All I was asking was if others could keep their cool in a similar situation, although I worded it as THE situation. Don’t see why people are getting their panties in a wad.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Aug 28, 2009 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
I did read what you wrote. "Glad to see you are above hypotheticals. Aren’t you a little angel"
Logical/reasonable people can render their opinions on a subject without actually putting themselves into that scenario. I’m cool, but your post was directed at one person who stated they could not see themselves doing that, which is pretty typical for normal society.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
First off, thats not the original post, wouldn’t help to see what my replies directed comment was based on? Whatever. I hope that the LARGE majority of us here couldn’t see ourselves realistically in that position, but that I didn’t say “Hey guys picture yourselves killing dogs for sport” I said to put yourself in his shoes, without making any reference to the dogs…I am talking about how he handled the situation.
Rather than debating what I said or commenting, someone felt the need to just forego the whole point. Thus is why I came across so blunt.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Aug 28, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
My bad.
I only saw the post you directed at dark tower. How’s this, I will put myself in Vick’s shoes. Had I got caught & had a $137 million contract at risk, I would have got down on my knees & begged for leniancy, given $25 million to animal cruelty charities & even blew the judge if necessary.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
Hey, I commend you for being the only person to make a relevant comment on it. I would do the same.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Aug 28, 2009 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Lol,
See, we do agree. Just took some time to realize it. I am all for anyone getting a second or sixth chance or whatever. But I would like to see more people falling on their sword in these situations rather than spending millions to fight it when they know they broke the law.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
I completely understood what you were saying
And I just don’t know how I would even imagine myself in that kind of situation because I don’t do shit like that. If I had a $137 million dollar contract you know what I would do? NOT THAT.
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WHAT?
Above hypotheticals because he can’t see himself torturing animals? That is not really a hypothetical, just his ethics.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
Thus is why I said “All morals aside”. If he is uncapable of that, then sorry.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Aug 28, 2009 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
People do it all the time...
Its called hunting, calf roping, horse racing…etc…not justifying his actions but animals are killed in sport everyday. Our society is so biased, if an animal gets killed this way it’s ok, but if it get killed another it’s abused…Killing is killing
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No, it’s not.
Killing for food is different than killing for sport. Killing for self defense is different than killing for shits and giggles.
what about when you juice a horse up so much that his ankles snap in a race
and then you have to put him down on the track. difference?
by Austin Martin on Aug 28, 2009 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
So then,
What about people that legally hunt and kill for sport? Killing bears, mountain lions or cyotees etc.
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What about it?
You can have your opinions, but those are all legal activities.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
Legal, and dosen’t involve years of inhumane treatment to the animal. Hardly similar.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Aug 28, 2009 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Killing an animal isn't in inhumane?
Oh , it’s only ok when there is a dollar to be made.
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Whats your point, in dog fighting dogs kill eachother in an unnatural setting. And people make more money off of dogfighting than anyone ever made off of killing a mountain lion.
And thats kind of silly to say, when we’ve been killing animals since the beginning of time.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Aug 28, 2009 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
My point is
Why is it ok for one animal to be killed in a sport and its ok (calf roping, horse racing, bull fighting, sport hunting) but not ok when it comes to dogs or cocks? The law aside, none of these situations are a “natural setting”
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Why is it ok? Society is fucked. I dunno what to tell you. I agree with you on alot of points, save for hunting…
Tracking an animal in the wild to kill it is something the human race has done forever, for food or not. And when there are animals that shouldn’t be killed, there are laws against it.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Aug 28, 2009 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
"Society is fucked"
I’ll drink to that…I just find it amusing that some animals are held in higher regards than others…If we didn’t have cows, chickens, pigs we would be eating dogs, cats, or whatever we could get our hands on.
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Some people would say
that us watching/enjoying/supporting MMA is “fucked”. Animals were placed on this Earth to supply food for us, period. People in Asian countries eat dogs & such. I do not do that, but I understand that is their culture.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
This is more than just hunting though, these other sports are all rooted in the human fixation on being dominant over all other animals. It’s been around since the beginning of time, the reason why we have sports like bull fighting deeply rooted in some cultures.
I don’t really get it, I don’t feel the need to out-smart animals.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Aug 28, 2009 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
The ironic thing is...
In the end the animals will have out smarted us…they will be here long after humans are gone. Unless of course we blow the planet up somhow.
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Well I wouldn't say
they outsmarted us. Because by the time we are all gone, the Earth will be so screwed up that they will not be able to survive either.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
"The law aside, none of these situations are a "natural setting"
You are wrong. Hunting is the most natural setting & has been done by animals for millions of years.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
Not all hunting is but,
Pretty sure there is hunting that goes on in unnatural settings. My old boss hunted that way, pay your money and you a garaunteed a kill.
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Oh yes…with feeder machines in closed camps. Thats pathetic. Good point. I wouldn’t call it hunting…but the guys who do it, do.
I don’t see the thrill in waiting hours just for the sun to come up and the feeder to turn on and you pick which deer to kill…I’d rather be in bed than just shooting fish in a barrel.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Aug 28, 2009 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
I guess I shoulve been more clear on what kind of hunting I was talking about.
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Yep, after reading the latest comments, I completely agree. Trophy hunting without any other purpose is just some guys trying to feed their ego, and boost their bragging rights.
I was always taught to use what I kill in as many ways as possible. If my old man saw me just kill an animal and just keep the head or the skin, he’d slap the shit out of me.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Aug 28, 2009 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
I hear that man, good shit right there. haha
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Aug 28, 2009 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Killing an animal isn’t in inhumane?
Look, we aren’t talking about someone who quickly and humanely killed their animals (yes, you CAN humanely kill an animal) we are talking about someone who hung them, electrocuted them, beat them, HAD ALL THEIR TEETH REMOVED for FUN! I just don’t see how that even COMPARES to hunting. Do they do that now? Use tasers and fry the bunnies till they die?
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By hunting for sport are you implying that
some hunters kill animals & just leave them there? If this happens, then I agree with you. My family & I eat everything that I kill.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
Just leave them there, or discarding the meat just to have the stuffed trophy.
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There are always jackasses
in every arena that make peoples perspectives about that arena bad. Just like illegal street fights make people hate MMA without realizing it is completely different. Just like hunters that hunt & eat the meat.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
The campaign for a god-damn law change.
But the fact is that Vick committed a felone in our current legal system. Arguing that the system is hypocritical is a useless diversion.
I gotta say, dog fighting is way different from any of those. Hunting is done for food and population control. I’m not big on any rodeo sports, or horse racing. Bull fighting is a bit much in my opinion. But dog fighting starts with the individual dog.
The process of turning a tame dog into a fighter is sick, it’s not like you can put Fido in a cage with a pissed off pitbull and call it sport…thats Andy Wang vs. Anderson Silva. I just can’t get my kicks out of two dogs fighting, it’s bad enough when I have to break out the water hose and break up my own dogs.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Aug 28, 2009 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Dana, Nuff Said
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I'm disappointed in Dana on two fronts here.
First, Vick shouldn’t be playing in the NFL. He isn’t on his second chance, he in on something like his 8th chance. Its not like the guy went from clean cut to stupid mistake. This guy made years worth of bad decisions that built on each other and utimately felt bad only because he got caught. There is something extremely wrong in our society that we inexplicably tie Michael Vick’s “second chance” and “paying his dues” with walking right back into a multi-million dollar NFL contract. As far as I am concerned, felone’s should be out of the NFL. Too many other jobs in this world that you don’t get to simply return to after serving your time and those don’t pay millions or provide you fame or fortune.
The other point of disappointment in Dana on this is that as the promotor of the UFC, he would have to drop Vick like a hot potato. The UFC could in no way afford to employ a person who commited crimes the like of Vick and have his notoriety.
Dana should have just kept his mouth shut on this one.
by Razreshat on Aug 28, 2009 10:54 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I am rather glad he didn’t keep his mouth shut. He gave an actual opinion rather than the worthless crap most executives spew when asked about things.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
He dosen’t need one to have an opinion. Just like you saying Dana would have dropped a fighter in Vick’s shoes like a “hot potato”. Everytime a fighter has screwed up, if they fixed the issue, they got a second chance. Nothing of this level, of course. But I think there is a chance Dana would give Vick another shot, and he would defend that decision adamantly.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Aug 28, 2009 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
General rules like, “no felons in the NFL” is stupid.
I know politics is banned here, so I’ll try to hold back a little here, but there are plenty of people in the Senate and Congress who have been indicted on various felonies and other bullshit, and many more who never go to court for what they’ve done. If they can run the country, Mike Vick can play football.
I do a LOT of work for an organization called CREW
Who do their best to get those people out of Congress and the Senate. Not sure if that adds an substance to the topic, but that I thought I’d share. :)
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preach.
The media is glorifying Ted Kennedy for his “contributions.” What about the time that he drove drunk off a bridge with a girl in the car into a river, saved himself, walked home, and didn’t tell anyone until the next day.
by Austin Martin on Aug 28, 2009 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
and by saved himself
i mean he let the girl drown
by Austin Martin on Aug 28, 2009 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
I abhor what Vick did and I think the punishment was just. However, I’ve eaten dog before and I’m not naive enough to believe that the dogs I’ve eaten in restaurants had better lives or were treated less cruelly than any of Vick’s dogs, so it would be hypocritical of me to deny Vick any chance of redemption.
my two cents is I don’t believe that people should have pets in the first place – animals of all kinds belong where they came from, they deserve to be declawed, spayed and neutered, and having their tails removed or their ears propped – they belong in the wild where nature put them in the first place
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by lovingmma25 on Aug 28, 2009 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Initial domestication was the animals’ choice – hanging around campfires, waiting for scraps from cavemen, helping protect the suppliers of food. Those that stayed with cavemen eventually bred and created a new species of dog (Canis lupus familiaris), while those that shunned people stayed wild.
2nd, if animals are supposed to be where nature put them, what about humans? Should we abandon technology for a more paleolithic lifestyle, or would that negate the use of our naturally-selected brain?
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by Scott C. Broussard on Aug 28, 2009 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
agreed
i agree 100% with what dana white says. it is almost word for word what i repeat to these loony toons i know that still have seething hatred for vick. as if spending 18 months in prison and losing everything you have is a slap on the wrist. this “animals > humans” cult fortunately is small. the standing ovation vick got last night is a pretty good indication of that.
A Few Questions...And Comments...
1) Why does MMA need to be commenting on Vick. ESPN doesnt plenty already giving us updates when he wakes up out of bed and gets a bowl of cereal.
2) This is not the guy’s second chance. He has had a LONG history of problems and bad decisions ever since high school, which followed him into college, which also followed his brother Marcus, and then as he got older into the NFL. Giving a guy a second chance is fine and all, but, he has had PLENTY of chances before. Look at Pac-Man. The NFL is notorious for taking guys back who constantly break the law and make terrible decisions in and out of the field, which is why they have such a negative stigma associated with their players. Plaxico shooting himself in the leg, etc.
3) Vick is now being glorified by ESPN and all media outlets for all the wrong reasons. Should a guy that has had a life of constant bad decisions be getting the spotlight? Rewarding bad choices is never a good thing and only prolongs the negative stigma tied to the NFL.
4) To top it all off, the Eagles looked absolutely terrible trying to run all these trick plays and trying to get Vick involved in the offense by sending McNabb as a wideout. They looked absolutely terrible and the addition of Vick not only brought the Eagles negative pres, but made the team worse. Hopefully they are smart enough to leave him in the bench as a pure backup the entire season.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Aug 28, 2009 1:39 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
Wait
What kind of cereal did Vick have??
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A few thoughts,
1) Apparently Dana was asked about Vick? Not sure, but I am assuming.
2) True Vick has had several chances, but getting caught with weed or flipping off the crowd does not exactly equate to being convicted of a felony. And exactly how many chances at life would you like to be given if you screw up? And bringing up his brother is pretty weak man. Maybe you have only saints in your family, but the majority of us do not.
3) ESPN is not glorifying Vick. They are simply doing what any smart business would do given the situation. That is reporting on a hot button issue that is sure to garner their program more attn.
4) Who gives a fuck how the team does? Really! I could not care any lessa if the team is successful w/Vick. The point is everyone deserves redemption to some degree.
And do not get me wrong. What Vick did was deplorable. But he went to prison, served his time & was released. Would you rather he be sacking groceries or handing you your fries?
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Would you rather he be sacking groceries or handing you your fries?
I don’t trust him with my fries, but he is certainly welcome to sack groceries.
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Nice. lol
My point is that people should not be excluded from their primary area of earning if someone is willing to give them a chance.
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I get it
I just don’t agree with it. Being in the position he is in is something that is coveted by millions and is an opportunity only afforded to a few. No one is saying he should be homeless and begging for money. Maybe the life of a commoner will humble him a bit more and make him appreciate what he had… an opportunity of a lifetime he fucked up. But that’s just my 2 cents.
More like $1.05…
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True, but he is in that
coveted position because of his natural talents. Not because of anything else. And of course I or you cannot answer whether or not he now appreciates what he fucked up, but I would be willing to wager after his extended stay at Casa De La Leavenworth that he does.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
There are a LOT of people out there
with natural talents. He’s not he only person in the good ol’ US who can play football well. Although the number of people who CAN do it is limited, I seriously doubt he’s so damn talented that there isn’t another young man out there who could take his place. But that’s besides the point…
I just don’t think he can truly be sorry for his actions because the ONLY reason he STOPPED is cause he got CAUGHT. He didn’t think it was wrong before that?
Sorry. I’m just not that forgiving.
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Get over it.
He has god-given talent but was given a 10-cent brain with it.
Without that talent, he’s bagging those groceries. But if YOU had the talent, for example, you would be in his shoes making millions of dollars….And most likely not spending your time chatting here in the bloody elbow about Dana’s “opinions”. lol. :)
Hell…I wish I had Vick’s talent, myself.
Um...
Generally (and by generally, I mean NEVER) they don’t let women play professional football, even if I DID have his talent. And let’s be honest. If I DID have his talent, I wouldn’t squander that opportunity by doing something as STUPID as what he did.
Again, my momma taught me better.
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To be clear...
He’s not being jailed for shooting himself.
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by Richard Wade on Aug 28, 2009 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
No, it’s because he thought he was above the law by carrying a gun unliscenced and without a hoster. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot. HEY-O!
That gun he had….He did have a License for it. But I heard that if you go to NYC, you have to register ANOTHER license for that gun just to have it on your person in the city.
oh and HEY-O! (is that like what Scott Hall used to say?)
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