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Gambling Spotlight: UFC 102

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Friday night, 1 AM.  You've just stumbled back home from a nine keg party.  That cute girl with the Fugazi t-shirt told you to politely shove off.  Your car's been dead for two weeks, and you had to walk home in a down pour.  You're starving and the only food in your house is a single slice of pizza from last night. 

So, before you and your depressing excuse for a life hops on to your off-shore book of choice with the last $100 you have to your name, check out this gambling analysis for UFC 102.  Maybe we'll turn that $100 to $110!

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Randy Couture

#6 Heavyweight
Former UFC HW Champ
Former UFC LHW Champ

vs.

Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira

#5 Heavyweight
Former UFC HW Champ
Former Pride HW Champ
2000 Rings King of Kings Champ

-175 (5DIMES) Best Line +165 (5DIMES)
46 Age 33
6'0" Height 6'3"
16 - 9 - 0 Record 31 - 5 - 1, 1 NC
7 / 2 TKO / SUB 3 / 19
Xtreme Couture Camp Black House
L - Lesnar (TKO)
W - Gonzaga (TKO)
W - Sylvia (UD)
Last Three L - Mir (TKO)
W - Sylvia (SUB)
W - Herring (UD)

Without knowing anything else about either fighter, it's particularly interesting that as we head into UFC 102, we're not concerned about whether the 46 year old combatant has hit the proverbial wall.  Instead, the 33 year old standing across from him bears the brunt of questions about his future in the sport.

And yet, I find myself standing on the other side of the general opinion with regard to both men.  First, Couture.  I certainly don't believe that Randy is done as a fighter.  Even in the Lesnar fight, he showed me enough to convince me that he can remain competitive against the shallow talent pool of non-Fedor heavyweights in the world.  However, where I diverge from popular opinion is the mythical nature of Couture as some sort of nigh supernatural being.  The idea that one should "never bet against Randy Couture" continues to reign as an overused cliche that should have been slain by Brock Lesnar at UFC 91.

The unfortunate fact is that the man is 46 years of age.  Very few athletes remain competitive after 40, let alone 45.  At some point age will catch up with him, although predicting that phenomenon has shown to be more difficult than throwing darts blindfolded.

Meanwhile, everyone and their grandmother wants to peg "Minotauro" Nogueira as shot and a shell of his former self after an embarrassingly one-sided loss to Frank Mir at UFC 92.  Mir not only knocked down the Brazilian three times, but became the first man to finish him - a fate that not even the great Fedor Emelianenko could reproduce in two attempts.

Of course, all events can be explained and this one is no different.  Everyone from Nogueira to Ed Soares to Dana White himself corroborates the story of Nogueira dealing with some combination of illness (staph infection) and injury (to the knee).  Further, his weigh-in weight of 246 is well above his optimal fight weight, and visually it was clear he hadn't been able to put in a great camp.

Nogueira detractors will continue their analysis and cite the Sylvia and third Herring fights as evidence of Nog's steep decline.  Dealing with Sylvia first, I'm not sure what exactly people expected to see in that fight.  The 6'8" dude with the long reach beat up the 6'3" guy with questionable striking defense before being submitted in round three.  Pretty vintage Nogueira.

The Herring fight in particular infuriates me to no end.  I've probably watched this fight more than any other as I make sure I'm not crazy when I hear someone spout the idea that Nogueira "looked terrible."  Here's a fun exercise to try out.  Erase the last 40 seconds of round one.  Pretend like it didn't happen.  Now, I want you to try to tell me how this fight isn't completely dominated by Nogueira bell-to-bell.  And if you don't feel like tracking it down, just look at this.  I'm not too psyched on being Heath Herring in that picture.

Now that I've gotten that lengthy rant out of the way, how does the fight break down?  At striking distance, I think it's a fairly even affair.  Both have fairly clean footwork, though Randy does a better job protecting his face both with head movement and hand position.  Nogueira does a poor job of moving anywhere but straight back and keeps his hands too low.  However, I believe he has better striking technique, and he'll have a 2-3" reach buffer where he can pump a fairly effective jab.

The interesting aspect of the fight, and what I suspect will be the meat of the action, will revolve around the clinch and the ground game.  Couture likes to press the idea of "imposing your will" on his opponent and take them out of their comfort zone.  Consequently, Couture's modus operandi of shove-opponent-against-fence-and-punch will take all but the most masochistic fighters out of their comfort zone.  Nogueira doesn't throw with KO power and does not move well laterally, giving Couture little reason not to charge forward and pin him up against the fence whenever he feels like.

If Couture can hold that position for 15 minutes, he'll coast to a relatively effortless decision.  However, I expect it to hit the ground for at least one lengthy period of time where we'll enter into a very interesting counterintuitive dichotomy.  Couture, in the past, has shown susceptibility to submissions.  Granted those fights were all over 8 years ago, but he hasn't exactly fought a murderer's row of submission artists in the time since.  On the other hand, considering Nogueira's reputation as the best BJJ heavyweight, he hasn't been especially prolific against the elite of the division with Tim Sylvia, Mirko Filipovic, and Heath Herring being the top names he's submitted over the past 5+ years.  Not exactly the vanguards of submission defense and avoidance.

Given their styles, strengths and weaknesses, and the caveats of old age and unwarranted accusations of being done, I feel like the current well-adjusted line doesn't offer much value either way.  All things being equal, I think Couture's style provides for a particular challenge for Nogueira which makes him the favorite in the fight.  I do see this as a close grind of a battle, however, and if I see the Nogueira line trend back past +190, I might make a small play on it.

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Keith Jardine

#6 Light Heavyweight

vs.

Thiago Silva

#11 Light Heavyweight

-140 (BOOK) Best Line +130 (5DIMES)
33 Age 26
6'2" Height 6'1"
14 - 5 - 1 Record 13 - 1 - 0
6 / 2 TKO / SUB 10 - 2
Jackson's Submission Fighting Camp American Top Team
L - Jackson (UD)
W - Vera (SD)
L - W. Silva (KO)
Last Three L - Machida (KO)
W - Mendes (SUB)
W - Alexander (TKO)

After watching Keith Jardine videos this week, I bluntly asked Bloody Elbow dictator Luke Thomas to explain to me how Keith Jardine has remained competitive at the elite level of mixed martial arts.  I didn't mean it as anything against Jardine, I was just trying to piece together the facts.  He doesn't have a strong wrestling game, his striking technique is whacked to hell, and I have few good things to say about his footwork.  As much as I hate the term, Jardine's seemingly made his career by being a grinder, making up for a deficiency in talent with a strong work ethic, a big heart, and a sense of fearlessness.

Thiago Silva, meanwhile, comes off a fight in which he was completely outclassed by current light heavyweight champ Lyoto Machida.  He has a fairly well-rounded game with an aggressive forward attack mentality.  Unfortunately, he's only fought mid-level fighters outside of Machida, which makes it difficult to properly place him within that wide gap of talent.

We have two "X factors" at play here.  1)  Greg Jackson and the rest of Jardine's camp should have little trouble conjuring up a capable gameplan for someone who fights as predictably as Thiago Silva.  2)  Keith Jardine may get ambushed like he did against Houston Alexander and Wanderlei Silva.

At the current line, I like a small play on Jardine.  Greg Jackson's seen him get mauled twice now, and I think they will try to take every precaution to prevent that happening a third time.  I like Silva at a line near +200, as I think he has enough oomph to put down Jardine.

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Nathan Marquardt

#3 Middleweight
7-time King of Pancrase

vs.

Demian Maia

#5 Middleweight

-170 (5DIMES) Best Line +160 (5DIMES)
30 Age 31
6'0" Height 6'0"
28 - 8 - 2 Record 10 - 0 - 0
5 / 15 TKO / SUB 1 / 8
Jackson's Submission Fighting Camp Wand Fight Team
W - Gouveia (TKO)
W - Kampmann (TKO)
L - Leites (SD)
Last Three W - Sonnen (SUB)
W - Quarry (SUB)
W - MacDonald (SUB)

As a quick aside, if Nate Marquardt was black, everyone would be going nuts about him being athletic and explosive.  Just saying.

I've waffled on this fight quite a bit.  I hit Marquardt near the line open at -135.  I may end up hedging before fight time.  Nate does a couple of things that, to put it bluntly, scare the shit out of me.  First, his footwork gets sloppy at times, and he ends up with his feet too close together standing fairly straight up.  A guy like Maia who likes to constantly press for trips and sweeps will have an opportunity to drag Marquardt down.

Second, Nate makes a really critical error when he shoots a single.  As seen in this picture, proper technique has the shooter's head inside his opponent's hip to avoid the guillotine.  Nate shoots with his head outside, and got caught in a guillotine in his last fight with Wilson Gouveia.

These examples highlight Nate's tendency to get wild and sacrifice technique for aggression.

At the same time, with Wanderlei Silva teaching him how to strike, Maia's shown a tendency to leave himself open when he throws which would be a tremendous mistake against someone who hits as hard as Marquardt.  In addition, Maia's go-to defense is to cover his head, which is a dangerous game with small MMA gloves.  Still, the aggression serves him well as it sets up his takedowns, I would just like to see him tighten up his technique instead of leaving himself wide open.

The big unknown is how Maia handles taking significant punishment.  If he has a prime Nog ability to absorb and recover from punishment, I like his chances of finding an opportunity lock on a submission.  Nate will put his chin to test as he hits hard.

I think the current line is well set, though I think about hitting Maia for a small play after +165.

Chris Leben vs. Jake Rosholt
-150 (CONSENSUS) Best Line +140 (5DIMES)
29 Age 26
5'11" Height 6'1"
18 - 5 - 0 Record 5 - 1 - 0
10 / 4 TKO / SUB 4 / 1
Icon Fitness MMA Camp Team Takedown
L - Bisping (UD)
W - Sakara (TKO)
W - Martin (KO)
Last Three L - Miller (SUB)
W - Osterneck (TKO)
W - Jay (TKO)

Jake Rosholt may go down as the quintessential example of how not to groom your prospect.  I think the Team Takedown model can work, but only if you're willing to take a loss while the prospect is groomed.  Unfortunately, Rosholt gets thrown into the UFC with five fights on his resume in order to recoup the money invested in him.  More unfortunately, I think this is an awful matchup for him.  Nissen Osterneck lit him up on the feet before being GNP'd out.  If he allows Leben free reign on his face, it'll be a short night.  I think Rosholt will have a hard time finishing the iron jawed Crippler, and because of that I like a 1-2u play on Leben.

Brandon Vera

#20 Light Heavyweight

vs.

Krzysztof Soszynski

#24 Light Heavyweight

-190 (BODOG) Best Line +180 (5DIMES)
31 Age 32
6'3" Height 6'1"
10 - 3 - 0 Record 18 - 8 - 1
7 / 1 TKO / SUB 6 / 9
Team Lloyd Irvin Camp Team Quest
W - Patt (TKO)
L - Jardine (SD)
W - Andy (UD)
Last Three W - Gusmao (KO)
W - Stann (SUB)
W - Primm (SUB)

This fight is another example of why MMA betting can be so profitable as both guys opened at -115.  Vera should be a pretty heavy favorite, and I think you can still find value here.  I think Soszynski's being overvalued after being on a handful of scrubs, and Vera's still dealing with looking "unimpressive" at 205.  He certainly looked sluggish against Reese Andy, but I thought he looked more or less like Brandon Vera with Jardine (a fight that could have gone either way or been scored a draw) and Mike Patt.  Soszynski hasn't beat anyone near the level of Vera, and I have a hard time seeing how he does it here.  I like Vera for a unit.

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rec’d for fugazi reference :)

by woooburn on Aug 28, 2009 12:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

“Sitting in the waiting room, AAAAAHHHHHHHHH……”

Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.

by ufc4 on Aug 28, 2009 1:09 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

wait, where was my wife when Fugazi chick was hitting on me?

A wise man told me don't argue with fools
Cause people from a distance can't tell who is who

by thetakeover on Aug 28, 2009 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who cares?

Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.

by ufc4 on Aug 28, 2009 2:57 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

But Fugazi doesn’t make t-shirts. De-rec!

by JRN on Aug 28, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Haha. Well done.

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by Mike Fagan on Aug 28, 2009 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

that’s what i’ve been saying.. the vera lines a week ago was -170 and ksos at +171..

K-sos took the fight at three weeks notice and will be having a huge step up in competition.. Vera should be better at all facets of the game, except maybe strength.. so i think he takes this easy..

by Anton Tabuena on Aug 28, 2009 12:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Couture is a GREAT play.

The only variable I see is Randy’s age. But if Randy shows up as the same Randy versus Brock this is EASY money.

The other Bet I would take is Vera.

by mmalogic on Aug 28, 2009 12:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That’s my parlay. Couture/Vera. No point in throwing in iffy fights when these two are such low-risk calls.

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by Beer Monster on Aug 28, 2009 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Couture is a solid bet for sure.

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by Leland Roling on Aug 28, 2009 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just see very little Nog can do to Couture in this fight. Couture has all the abilities to take any fight to decision by fighting intelligently, except if someone has an obscene weight advantage or is a dynamic striker, niether of which apply to Big Nog

by amadeus on Aug 28, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m with you here. I think this is going to be extremely one-sided for a number of reasons, Randy is way under valued.

by Michael Rome on Aug 28, 2009 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I will readily admit that I’m constantly on the “Randy has to get old sometime” bandwagon. Adjust your opinion as necessary.

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by Mike Fagan on Aug 28, 2009 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Randy has to get old sometime but Nog already has.

Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.

by ufc4 on Aug 28, 2009 1:12 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

That’s where I disagree with most people. I think there’s an element of regression to the mean in his performance that we’ll see tomorrow.

Granted, my feelings might make a 180 if Nog looks godawful weighing-in today.

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by Mike Fagan on Aug 28, 2009 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nog looks great… but I dont care which nog shows up – none of them have what it takes to beat Randy in a 3 round fight – unless Randy’s body just gives out that night i dont see it.

Nog cant knock anyone out. Nog can’t outwrestle. His only chance is a submission – something Jacare wasnt able to do and really nobody catches Randy.

This is Randy’s hometown so a close decision is almost out of the question.

The only variable I see is Randy’s age. if that doesnt play a factor this is a lock.

by mmalogic on Aug 28, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

All valid concerns/points, but the whole Jacare/Couture grappling exhibition shouldn’t really be a point of analysis, in my opinion. In addition to it being a grappling match, Couture had 20-30 pounds on Jacare and pretty much played defense the entire match.

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by Mike Fagan on Aug 28, 2009 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It’s very relevant. Jacare has won open weight world championships. HIs guard is way, way tougher to handle than Nogueira’s. Jacare is internationally recognized on the ground, far beyond what Nogueira is in the jits world.

The usual defense for a guy like Randy is to hit the other guy in the guard. He was out of shape and in retirement at the time, couldn’t punch, and Jacare still couldn’t get him. He’s submitted a lot of guys Randy’s size in openweight competition over the years. Nobody would confuse Nogueira’s guard for Jacare’s.

by Michael Rome on Aug 28, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Another note about Jacare that is very relevant—he’s probably one of the best sweep guys in the whole world, light years beyond Nog in this area of jits, and he could not sweep Couture. I truly believe this is not the guy on the ground who fought Overeem, not by a long shot. We’ll see Saturday night.

by Michael Rome on Aug 28, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Couture also couldn’t take Jacare down, so should we be questioning that part of his game?

I just don’t see how an 8 minute, exhibition grappling match should be anything more than a footnote in a in-depth analysis of an MMA fight. It speaks to his competency as a grappler, but I don’t think that’s something that’s really in question.

That’s also not addressing the sample size of ONE match in which Couture did little outside of not get submitted.

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by Mike Fagan on Aug 28, 2009 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jacare gets the takedown, gets side mount and submits consistently against guys a lot bigger than Couture, and he’s done it for years. You don’t take Jacare down, he takes you down.

And Couture’s MMA doesn’t rely on submitting, it relies on not getting submitted. The Jacare match was a litmus test and did a lot to convince everyone, including Couture, that he had no business retiring.

by judonerd on Aug 28, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

there was no cage…

by mmalogic on Aug 28, 2009 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The only difference “how good Nog looks” makes for me is whether he gets knocked the fuck out or beaten by decision.

by mmalogic on Aug 28, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nog is going to look in very good shape. I’m less concerned about that and more concerned about his reaction time these days.

by Michael Rome on Aug 28, 2009 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dealing with Sylvia first, I’m not sure what exactly people expected to see in that fight.

If I had to guess since a lot of people love Nogueira and a lot of people hate Sylvia they were expecting a 1st round SUB

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by The Legend on Aug 28, 2009 12:58 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Probably. I also think Nogueira picked up his striking offense as the fight went on.

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by Mike Fagan on Aug 28, 2009 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What Mike said is all true, but someone who threw punches as slow as Tim would not have destroyed Nog that way years ago, let alone knocked him down.

Take away losing the first two rounds. The real problems is that Nogueira was barely able to use a speed advantage against Tim Sylvia of all people, he looked almost as slow. He got better with his hands over time, but he was wildly inaccurate for 2 rounds with his hands against a guy that does not move his head.

by Michael Rome on Aug 28, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Randy is 6'1

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by ElliotMatheny on Aug 28, 2009 1:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think he’s actually 6’0.5" to be honest. That’s what he’s listed as in a few UFCs.

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by Mike Fagan on Aug 28, 2009 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

“As a quick aside, if Nate Marquardt was black, everyone would be going nuts about him being athletic and explosive. Just saying.”

He is athletic and explosive. Lots of people have said that. What’s your point?

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by jemaleddin on Aug 28, 2009 1:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Mostly a shout out to Jordan Breen. Yes, people acknowledge Nate as being those things, but not with the sort of summarization of his success like with certain black fighters.

It runs through all sports. Black baseball players are fast, flashy, lazy, etc. etc. White guys are grinders, hard workers, etc.

Anyway, I don’t mean anything by it. Just a bit of social commentary.

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by Mike Fagan on Aug 28, 2009 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I also heard Marquardt is very well spoken.

by judonerd on Aug 28, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's racist!

Dammit I can’t post gifs from my phone

Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.

by ufc4 on Aug 28, 2009 3:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

It is racist. And I hate it.

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by Mike Fagan on Aug 28, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you're ignorant... thats just ignorant

But i do see the dichotomy in explaining different races athletic traits.

Brock Lesnar also said hes built with the size and athleticism of a black man, which i find interesting.

But Fagan, i see your point. White guys are always consider scrappy, hard working, a grinder… Black guys are explosive, dynamic… blah blah blah, just buzzwords

by amadeus on Aug 28, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

“The idea that one should “never bet against Randy Couture” continues to reign as an overused cliche that should have been slain by Brock Lesnar at UFC 91."

Or his second loss to Liddell. I don’t think we’ll see the same Nog as the Mir fight, I think he’ll rise to the challenge… if he keeps that head moving.

by bleve_ on Aug 28, 2009 1:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Jardine is worth a huge bet here – he hung in for three hard rounds with Rampage. Thiago Silva is sloppy as hell and Jardine just has to avoid the initial rush.

by MMAEruption on Aug 28, 2009 1:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

He is also the only guy who has lost to Wandy in what, three years? And he got KTFO’d by Houston Alexander. Jardine might be the biggest enigma in MMA.

Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.

by ufc4 on Aug 28, 2009 3:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Which goes back to his point about avoiding getting rushed. Jardine likes to slow things down and stay outside, and he doesn’t respond well to getting swarmed.

by judonerd on Aug 28, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i still can't get over his orangutan offense

that he tried to use against Alexander before getting VICIOUSLY knocked out

by amadeus on Aug 28, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jardine learned his lesson.

by MMAEruption on Aug 28, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’d be interested in hearing some more thoughts about Maia/Marquardt.

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by Mike Fagan on Aug 28, 2009 2:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

stay away from it.. too close to call i think..

I think Marquardt takes it, he’s a black belt, good wrestling and way better standup… but his ego could get in the way, and fight maia on the ground at some point.. His trainer mentioned that too, and Marquardt has been saying repeatedly that he thinks he can take maia on the ground and that he’s more than willing to fight him there..

I see marquardt knocking maia out, but maia has also proved that he can takedown even a good wrestler in Sonnen, so a submission is real possible too..

all in all i think marquardt wins it, but i wouldn’t suggest betting on it..

by Anton Tabuena on Aug 28, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Marquardt thinking he could beat Maia in a grappling match makes me LOL.

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by Mike Fagan on Aug 28, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That was the funniest moment of the entire countdown show, in my opinion.

by Kierkegaard on Aug 28, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You have a jack of all trades with a great game planner in one corner, and you have a one-dimensional specialist in the other corner. Maia can win, but if Jackson can crack the Maia BJJ code, Marq is gonna rip his head off.

Definitely not betting a dime on this one.

by judonerd on Aug 28, 2009 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i think its interesting

that these guys are probably in the 99.99% in the world in grappling, and Maia is THAT much better than him.

by amadeus on Aug 28, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

he’s an outlier. someone brought it up before here, and its a great point. in statistics, as you get to the far end of the bell curve, you start to see huge jumps in value and differences between one data point and the next.

by judonerd on Aug 28, 2009 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Meh, it happens all the time in pro sports. Matt Holliday is one of the greatest hitters in the world and Albert Pujols is far and away better than him.

Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.

by ufc4 on Aug 28, 2009 5:32 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

I think Marquardt will take it. He’s more well-rounded and probably not stupid enough to get too close to Maia. Anytime he lets Maia initiate a clinch, pull guard, or shoot for a takedown, he’s in trouble.

by MMAEruption on Aug 28, 2009 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

plus,

marquardt is on another level compared to Sonnen, Macdonald and Quarry.. and that might be a factor too..

I think marquardt takes it, but I’ll be rooting for maia.. but again, stay away.. i think there are other better bets on this card.

by Anton Tabuena on Aug 28, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think the consensus is rooting for Maia but sees Marquardt taking it.

by MMAEruption on Aug 28, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

There is just more potential in the future with a Maia win.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Aug 28, 2009 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Nate is the best bet on the card. Well he definately was when the line first opened, and he still has good value where he is now, i think about -185. I think Nate’s performance against Gouveia. Now you make great points in your article, and you have me a little nervous with it, but i still think Nate wins this time 8/10 times or so. You have me thinking too much to give some credible reasons behind the confidence in Nate, but i think there is no chance Maia knocks out Nate, and if it goes to decision i think Nate has a good chance as well. I think Nate will dominate the fight, and as long as he doesn’t get caught in a submission (which i have to think has been trained over and over for this fight) he should win.

by mo dogg on Aug 28, 2009 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you think Nate wins this 8/10, he has value up to -400.

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by Mike Fagan on Aug 28, 2009 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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