Georges St. Pierre Breaks Down Randy Couture vs Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira at UFC 102
by Kid Nate on Aug 27, 2009 4:13 PM EDT
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"To win, both of them has to do their games. I think that if the fight stays in the center of the octagon, Nogueira will win it, but if it goes to the fence, Couture wins, because he'll be able to use the fence to block the submissions", bets the Canadian, revealing the strategy that he'd use. "If I were Nogueira, I'd try to keep the fight in the center of the octagon, and, if I were Randy, I'd close to the fence", finished St. Pierre.
GSP talking to Tatame.com
This is a good point that is either so obvious that no one else has bothered to make it or no one else has thought it through. Let's assume that Nogueira comes into the fight with a level of mobility and explosiveness comparable to the last Heath Herring fight. That Nogueira would have a considerable advantage against Couture on the feet as long as he can avoid the clinch and Couture's dirty boxing. Sure it's doubtful that Big Nog could KO Randy, but the reverse is also true. What Big Nog at his best can do is score points with good combinations of punches at range.
Similarly if the fight goes to the ground in the center of the cage: advantage Nogueira because his guard game is aggressive enough to catch anyone, even Couture. But put him against the fence and he has virtually no chance of sweeping Couture. Without the ability to threaten sweeps, Nog will have a very hard time catching Couture in an arm bar or a triangle.
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Uhm, that sounds a little obvious to me
“To win, one of them needs to knock out or submit the other guy.”
See, I can play pundit too!
Oh, so you did
I just read GSP’s comment and felt the overpowering urge to add my two cents. :)
George “cRushingly obvious punditry” St-Pierre.
I wonder if Jackson
helped GSP with this analysis, lol.
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by dnevil001 on Aug 27, 2009 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
(paraphrased from UFC 75 post- fight interview)
Rogan: “So Rampage, what were you thinking during the fight with Dan? What was your strategy coming in?”
Page: “I was thinkin, man, I gotta do somethin or Dan’s gonna whoop my ass… I busted my knuckles upside his head, that foo’s got a hard head… Most people don’t know, but I got JIU JITSU.”
I remember the interview going something like that, and I just rewatched 75 last weekend on SPIKE
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by ElliotMatheny on Aug 28, 2009 1:48 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Page: " He hit me with an uppercut, it’s my thing so i tried to give him one back"…
by dancingChicken on Aug 28, 2009 6:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Thanks, but
I was actually talking about Greg Jackson.
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Nate,
can you confirm the reports people have talked about on here about Nog getting KO’d in sparring repeatedly? If that is true, then Nog definitely has to worry on his feet. And I do not Randy falling into a sub like Sylvia did on the ground.
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Is that something anyone can confirm?
I’m not entirely sure I’d want it to be confirmed. Maybe Nog is “doing a Mir”?
I finish beers at 1:55.
Well it came from somewhere I am assuming.
I doubt his camp is floating info like this because it really is not likely to change Randy’s gameplan.
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Maybe that's the point?
A more aggressive striker is more likely to get caught with a counter or a sub.
I don’t really care if it’s true or not. I don’t see either man getting back into title contention with Brock, Carwin, Velasquez, Rothwell and Nelson coming into the mix (as well as some potentials from the new TUF season).
I finish beers at 1:55.
But Randy is not a known aggressive striker.
I could this if it was a young fighter who could be baited into something, but it seems doubtful that Randy is like “Nog is getting KO’d in sparring! I am going to KO him too!”
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so far as i can tell, this is the only site generating the ‘Nog getting KOd repeatedly in camp’ rumor. Two of the mods here ( i think they’re mods) have said they ‘heard’ this and cant say from where. i really dont know what to think about it. maybe they were just curious about whether a rumor on this site could affect the line.. or maybe it was leaked just for shits and grins to counter randy’s ’i’m gonna submit nog’ garbage…
personally, i dont buy the rumor….
I don't remember who posted it,
but it wasn’t any of the mods.
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one writer for this site said he heard it
Michael Rome.
And if you don’t believe in Rome as a reporter I don’t know what to tell you.
But if you want to get banned try accusing us of making shit up to stir the pot one more time.
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and he did say from where
“anonymous sources with access to Nogueira’s camp”.
If you assholes want to bitch and moan everytime Rome leaks a little bit of gossip he picks up — and notes as a rumor — then we just won’t post stuff like that anymore.
Personally I think the readers lose.
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"If you assholes want to bitch and moan everytime Rome leaks a little bit of gossip he picks up — and notes as a rumor — then we just won’t post stuff like that anymore."
Take it easy Nate! We love the rumors or anything that gets leaked by you guys. Don’t let some douchebag get you all pissed off. I live in Dallas & may be going to the UFC event so I will take you out for drinks to buy you off!
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Personally I like hearing about the rumors,
as long they are from a somewhat credible source and are presented as rumors.
Please keep on reporting this kind of stuff. I’d rather hear about it and then be able to make an informed decision on my own about whether to believe it or not.
by CasualMMAFan on Aug 27, 2009 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I have been wondering
what Rome’s source was in that article, but it did scare me a little.
This fight is weird for me cause i’ve always been a big fan of Randy and Nog, but going to Xtreme Couture I feel like I should be rooting for Randy… but then again, I think about the prospect of seeing a fighting fit Nogueira facing off against Lesnar… and I get excited. Whereas with Randy, I just don’t know if he could win in a rematch.
At any rate, what i’m hoping for is a competitive war between both, that kind of gives them both a bit of a boost (kind of like what Chuck/ Wand did for both fighters).
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by ElliotMatheny on Aug 28, 2009 1:53 AM EDT up reply actions
I heard it and believe the person who told me. There’s no way I’m betting on Nog, the idea that I’m trying to push the line for him is ridiculous.
It’s funny, we’re led to believe every fight that each fighter had the best camp they ever had. But in reality that’s usually not the case. As soon as a report goes otherwise people flip out. You know, it’s quite possible to be knocked out in sparring, it doesn’t mean he’s dead or anything. It’s happened to a number of fighters.
by Michael Rome on Aug 27, 2009 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions
If Fedor’s never been KO’ed in camp I’d be shocked.
by Michael Rome on Aug 27, 2009 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions
2 things
One, I do think that Randy will win. Neil Melanson has told me that basically Randy’s jits has improved unbelievably just in the last 2 months or so that they’ve been working together, and if Nog isn’t @ 100%, then I see Randy taking the reins on this bout.
And two, I think Fedor would have to be some sort of Demi- god to NOT ever have been knocked out sparring, especially considering that he trains with guys like Aleks, Zentsov, and Mousasi.
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by ElliotMatheny on Aug 28, 2009 1:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Keep up the good work &
keep your ear to the wall Rome! I love when stories from camps get leaked.
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Rome, thanks for the ban warning;). By your language I can tell I’ve pissed you off.
i’m not trying to attack any of BE staff on a personal level. i can now see that i questioned your integrity w/ my gambling comment and i will refrain from making similiar comments in the future
Now, i am saying that this is an incredible rumor. i also like rumors and want to see them posted here. but for me, and many others judging from other posts i’ve seen, just saying ‘anonymous source’ isn’t enough. i wholly appreciate the relationship a reporter has with an anonymous source and understand the reasons one wouldn’t get too specific .
how’s this? how many degreees of separation does your source have from the person who witnessed Nog KOd multiple times? did he witness it himself or was it a guy who knew a guy who knew a guy? is this a fair question?
that's fair
but it’s also up to Rome’s discretion — if you give away too much info, it becomes easy for people to figure out who his source is, and then there’s no more source.
also, the ban warning came from me. ; )
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Sparring with Anderson Silva no less.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
And
Machida, Feijao Cavalcante, Rogerio, Junior Dos Santos, etc…
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by ElliotMatheny on Aug 28, 2009 1:59 AM EDT up reply actions
no
as I stated before they were nothing more than rumors coming from people who had access to Nog’s camp.
That kind of stuff could be true, it could be BS put out by Big Nog’s camp to get Couture feeling complacent, it could be BS coming from a sparring partner who wants to brag to people about KO’ing Big Nog in training, it could be a misunderstanding of what they saw by someone who was in the gym briefly.
It’s interesting information, but please people, when I say something is a rumor it is by definition unconfirmed.
If you don’t want us to share the rumors and buzz we pick up…..
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i hope the rumers arnt true!!!
im a BIG fan of Big Nog, but i wouldnt be surprised if they where true, his chin isnt like it was when he was in PRIDE:(
Everyone has a game plan, untell they get hit.
In all fairness
When Herring kicked Nog in the head in his first UFC fight, he wobbled back to his stool. Joe Rogan was hopping up and down on his stool like an excited baboon screaming, “Nog is really hurt! He needs help back to his corner” and then Herring decided to not throw any punches for half of the second round.
Mir isn’t the first to expose Nog as being less than optimal in the standup department these days and I suspect if Tim Sylvia hadn’t made a stupid mistake in their fight, he would have finished Nog off too.
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yeah, your right:/
the herring fight is a prime example, he was ROCKED and hurt badly, but herring wanted to dick around and didnt finish him!?!?
Everyone has a game plan, untell they get hit.
I love the rumors & buzz personally.
But I do not see the benefit of his own camp releasing this info. Randy is not the type of fighter who would change his attack based on this info. And being hurt in the last fight did not change his ability to take a shot.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
there's a key distinction you're missing
everyone with access to Nog’s camp isn’t from his camp if you get the distinction. a big time fight camp has dozens of people coming in and out all the time, many of whom have only minor business relationships with the principle fighter and less loyalty.
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I am definitely not missing that,
which is exactly why I believe this to be the truth.
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Even if it’s true, how much value is there in it? I don’t know. Forrest Griffin was knocked out by Wanderlei Silva in his training for UFC 86, and got a concussion.
by Michael Rome on Aug 27, 2009 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Well we already knew about Forrest's
issues taking shots so that was not really a surprise. For me, it would lead me to believe that his getting KTFO’d by Mir was not an averration & is becoming more a reality for Nog. I do not want that to happen, but I am afraid it is.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
Do not see Randy that is.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
kudos for GSP for saying something i would never ever think of!!
Everyone has a game plan, untell they get hit.
Yes GSP.
Randy can beat pretty much anyone/anything in-between him and a fence.
You don't look like a Tanaka.
Divorces really aren’t something anyone wins…
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
I don't know
I’m pretty glad I divorced my ex :)
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by ihateemo on Aug 27, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
As am I!! lol
My marriage did not even last a month & I mourned her the whole time I was driving to my new apt.
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HAHAHA
thanks for giving a younger guy a lil to look forward to
by Austin Martin on Aug 27, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
How do you know you are younger? lol
Marriage was great man. I had a blast on our honeymoon when I left her at the hotel to party in Cancun.
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you sir, are an icon
And I just assumed, cuz i sure as shit cannot afford a wife right now
by Austin Martin on Aug 27, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Well believe me
when I say that I could not then (or now) & you definitely will never be able to, but go ahead & jump in, the water is fine.
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Incorrect sir!
The lawyers ALWAYS win in divorces!
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by The_Gaijin on Aug 27, 2009 4:32 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
It’s interesting seeing how much time Randy is spending with Quinton Chong. Are we going to see something new from Randy in this fight?
One thing that I come back to is that while Randy is always improving or adding new tricks, I feel like Nog has been the same fighter for years now. He’s only training to get back to old form, not add new things. Maybe he’ll prove me wrong, but I can’t remember the last time I saw Nogueira fight and was shocked by his improvement in a certain area or his addition of a new skill.
by Michael Rome on Aug 27, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
What is Quinton Chong's specialty?
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Did not know that.
Gracias Rome.
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re: Randy's new tricks
this is very true and is the amazing thing about Randy.
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i believe randy has under-rated boxing, he is very good in the clinch and did beat chuck in the first fight!!
Everyone has a game plan, untell they get hit.
This is true,
but he did not fare so well in the next two fights!!
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I have fears this main event will just turn out to be Couture beating on a very worn out Nog. I hope that’s not true, but the past 24 hours I just can’t kick the feeling that this will be kind of sad to watch.
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This could happen, but I think Nog is going to be competitive. Even if it means just pulling guard and working for sweeps, I don’t see Couture finishing him on top from guard or half.
I think this could end up being a really good fight if they spend a lot of time on the ground.
by Michael Rome on Aug 27, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Im looking foward to the ground game more then the stand-up, but thats just me.
Everyone has a game plan, untell they get hit.
Yeah,
the more standup we see could be real bad news for Big Nog.
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yup!!
but the ground is were i want to see the fight go down, see what happens and what they do to get the upperhand, the tech. part of this fight(imo) is gana be on the ground.
Everyone has a game plan, untell they get hit.
I am in complete agreement with you.
If it is standing for too long I fear we won’t see much of a competitive match, unless it turns into a classic Big Nog war & he can take some punishment.
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it all comes down to if it really was staph that affected him so much last time. Randy looked as good as possible against Lesnar, but Nog looked awful against Mir, and that’s why everyone seems to be sympathetic for Nog even before the fight. But I think this fight is tailor made for Randy. he’s fighting an at least slowed down nog, and should be able to change levels enough to punish Nog and clinch him, get the takedown on the fence for three rounds. I hope to see him go to finish, but its definately looking like a decision
by Austin Martin on Aug 27, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Randy can finish Nog. You’re right that it all depends on just how good a shape Nog is in, and whether his last fight was an aberration due to the health problems or not. But I think Nog gets finished. I think it’s a bit of both, and I don’t think he’s all there like he used to be physically.
I love me some Sexyama!
Staph infection or not,
that should not have affected his ability to withstand punishment. Which is what Nog is known for & I would bet that was not the first time he had an injury during camp.
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you've obviously
never had a staph infection before.
by bobthewriter on Aug 27, 2009 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions
You are correct.
Just my opinion, but I find it hard to believe that having a staph infection would cause a man who is known for his ability to take punishment to all of the sudden become KOable. And growing up in Brazil & fighting his entire life, I would suspect this is not the first staph infection Nog has had during camp, but I could be mistaken.
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thanks man!!
the sad thing is that Big Nog cant take too much punishment these days:(
but your right, it wont be much of a competitive fight if it does stay standing.
Everyone has a game plan, untell they get hit.
You’re right that if it hits the ground, it’ll be fun. Chances are Couture may just want to keep it standing, which will suck for Nog, which is where it may end up onesided.
I love me some Sexyama!
yeah, but this is mma, and anything can happen!!
Big Nog could very well KO Randy, or Randy could sub. Big Nog. Thats why i love this sport, its not set in stone.
But your most likely right, i think it will be a onesided affair:(
Everyone has a game plan, untell they get hit.
Still dont think Nog can submit Couture. Jacare has submitted guys like Werdum with ease and couldn’t touch Randy, even without Randy beating on his head.
This was also with Randy way out of fight shape, he gassed out in it. I forget the date but I think it was during his short retirement. Nog is going to have a more powerful but less tricky guard.
by Michael Rome on Aug 27, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
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