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Fedor Emelianenko to Fight Brett Rogers

 
Rogers vs EmelianenkoHeadline from Showtime Sports:

At Fedor's public workout in New York City, Scott Coker announces Fedor's plans to fight Brett Rogers. Event details to come. 

As for the possible when, a Tweet from Josh Gross regarding an event date:

I'm told 11/ 6 is a target date for Showtime. Don't know for certain that it's the Fedor-Rogers card. Could just be a Challengers event.

Tweet HT: WatchKalibRun / Photo originals from Sherdog.

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Good fight

Deceptively so, but still. They can market Rogers as a credible opponent..

I STILL poop rainbows.

by Blackout612 on Aug 26, 2009 4:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

That’s the point I was hoping to make.

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by Blackout612 on Aug 26, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

oh come on! he's credible.

His KO of Arlovski wasn’t a fluke. The guy has pretty awesome stand up, pretty good take down defense, and an unknown ground game. Is everyone except Brock not credible? There’s gotta be at least 10-15 other fighters who are credible and he is one fo them. Of course I dont think he will win but I think he will do better aginast fedor than most of his opponents have done against him.

by naturalist on Aug 26, 2009 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Err...

The ability to defeat Fedor and overall credibility don’t go hand in hand.

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by Blackout612 on Aug 26, 2009 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No one is credible then.
=)

by MMASuPreMaCy on Aug 26, 2009 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was waiting to reply that to someone, but no one bit. Ha…

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by Blackout612 on Aug 26, 2009 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was waiting as well…
=)

by MMASuPreMaCy on Aug 26, 2009 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

they’re only going to use him to introduce Fedor and build him up for fights against Overeem and to give him a relatively legit reason to fight for the belt. I wonder if there’s a champion ship clause in his contract?

by TheConcreteKid on Aug 26, 2009 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

As if the WAMMA belt doesn’t legitimize him already! Sheeesh!!!

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by BJJDenver on Aug 26, 2009 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Honestly, outside Lesnar, I don’t see anyone as being a truly credible threat to Fedor. Which is why I don’t get my panties in a bundle about the idea that he’s ducking “tougher” competition. Because outside of Lesnar, I don’t feel like anyone in the UFC poses a particularly great threat than Rogers, Werdum, Overeem, etc.

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by Mike Fagan on Aug 26, 2009 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Yeah, i dont think Fedor is about ducking anything. I do think that HWs in the top 15 should be considered credible opponents. That doesn’t mean they wont be massive underdogs but ppl like Couture,Carwin, Mir, Werdum ,Overeem and Rogers are all credible opponents. No one Fedor fights will have his resume but they are still credible contenders.

by naturalist on Aug 26, 2009 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It’s not only about what they done in the past but what they doing now. a lot of ppl seem to forget about that. rogers only real credible opponent was arlovski, overeem hasn’t fought in a long time as far as i understand (never seen him fight anyway), werdum was knocked tthe f*** out by dos santos – so i really don’t see credibility here. it’s more about “what the f*** have you done lately”? and not what have you done during you whole life. Because really if you will follow this crazy logic muhammad ali is the best boxer in the world. ufc fighters are FIGHTING ON A REGULAR BASIS WITH THE HIGHEST AVAILABLE COMPETITION, which is not the case with strike fart (sorry – just couldn’t resist:)) – so basically no one in sf is a credible opponent. But if you looking for the most credible of them all it’s rogers, as he fought a couple months ago and ko’d someone from the present top 20

by UniversalSoul on Aug 27, 2009 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fedor would be matched up with Anderson Silva and potentially Lyoto Machida as well in big super fights. Fedor always uses his speed to win fights at Heavyweight. He couldn’t do that in those fights. Out of Lesnar, Silva, & Machida, one of them would definitely beat him.

by AlwaysRelaxing on Aug 26, 2009 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

None of those four guys would if all pitted against each other in some fantasy round robin. Fedor would prb have the best shot…so what exactly is your or AlwaysRelaxing’s point?

Other than for him to continue his fetish for repeatedly astroturfing on UFC’s behalf and against Fedor. AlwaysRelaxing has some serious issues.

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by The_Gaijin on Aug 26, 2009 7:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

my point at that moment was to enjoy speculating about a “fantasy round robin”. it wasn’t intended to enlighten anyone. Hopefully that will come soon.

by naturalist on Aug 27, 2009 2:22 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

greater*

SBN really needs to add an “Edit Comment” feature.

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by Mike Fagan on Aug 26, 2009 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

maybe if this was a message board

by David_ on Aug 26, 2009 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Comment sections are more or less message boards.

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by Mike Fagan on Aug 26, 2009 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

so, are they threads?

by David_ on Aug 26, 2009 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What exactly are you trying to get at?

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by Mike Fagan on Aug 26, 2009 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

mmm, just ignore the above comment.
I just dont remember who it is that doesnt like the post being called threads

by David_ on Aug 26, 2009 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It’s Luke.

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by Beer Monster on Aug 26, 2009 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Anyone with dynamite for hands, boxing skills and a sprawl has a chance against Fedor.

by judonerd on Aug 26, 2009 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would disagree

because a sprawl isn’t really useful against Fedor. He doesn’t really use freestyle tecniques. Rather, he uses judo, therefore a Greco base would be much mroe effective against him.

by rainmaker6 on Aug 26, 2009 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

point taken

by judonerd on Aug 26, 2009 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sprawl? Fedor has never and does never go for a double leg tackle. He uses back heal sweeps.. If you can sprawl, Fedor will still take you down.

by ontite on Aug 27, 2009 6:05 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But this is just more “outside of Lesnar” fallacy. Lesnar is in the UFC, and Fedor is choosing to not go there. You can’t just make the outside of Lesnar argument when he is central to the entire point.

Maybe in a year Cain will improve and be a real threat. Maybe Anderson at heavyweight has a chance to knock him out. There are a hell of a lot better options for Fedor inside of the UFC. Even Velasquez, Dos Santos, or Carwin or a number of guys have a better chance against Fedor than Brett Rogers does.

by Michael Rome on Aug 26, 2009 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I’m not sure what you’re arguing. I, personally, would like to see Fedor fight Lesnar right now, but I, personally, do not think it’s an injustice to the sanctity of the MMA fan that he turned it down. Seeing as outside of a Lesnar fight, I could care less which Tier 2 heavyweights he fights, him fighting in Strikeforce is as good a place as any.

Even if I grant you the fact that the three UFC prospects have a better shot than the Strikeforce triumvirate, it’s the difference between a 10% chance of winning and 15%. That’s not a big deal to me.

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by Mike Fagan on Aug 26, 2009 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I mean, I don’t see any contractual choice as injustice. I just think it’s unfortunate.

There has been a constant refrain that outside of Lesnar the UFC options aren’t much better. But who cares? The Lesnar fight is 1 vs. 2. That’s the fight people want to see. Outside of those top 3 options, the opposition for Fedor in Adrenaline MMA is just as good as it is in Strikeforce. Taking away the central thing one side has to offer is an exercise in futility.

And, now that Anderson Silva wants to fight at heavyweight, that’s another huge fight.
If he was to come in and beat both of them, it’s possible by then that someone like Dos Santos will have KO’ed Cro Cop and then beaten another few top heavyweights, creating another fight people want to see. There’s no real possibility for this in Strikeforce at all.

by Michael Rome on Aug 26, 2009 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Not to mention that while the UFC fighters beat each other up, Strikeforce is now going to have to protect a guy like Werdum (hence giving him Kyle) in order to preserve a future fight with Fedor. So not only does it stink that Fedor isn’t fighting Lesnar, but now we get to see a boxing’esque approach to MMA where fighters are protected to preserve the big fights. I don’t like that.

Lastly, basically all of the up & coming talent in the Heavyweight Division is in the UFC. No other organization has as many young Heavyweights or is testing them right now. Lesnar/Fedor needed to happen at the end of this year. And the so-called #1 Heavyweight needs to be fighting constantly tested talent. He is not getting that in Strikeforce.

by AlwaysRelaxing on Aug 26, 2009 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Werdum was supposed to fight Overeem. They got Kyle on 2-3 weeks notice.

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by Mike Fagan on Aug 26, 2009 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That fight was set up before they signed Fedor. Now that they have Fedor, it’s protection mode.

by AlwaysRelaxing on Aug 26, 2009 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That isn’t always boxing or Strikeforce – Velasquez v. Carwin was dropped in order to ‘preserve’ Velasquez as a contender. That’s no different from what Strikeforce is doing by handing Werdum an easy fight.

by ludakrish on Aug 27, 2009 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No it wasn't

It was dropped to give Brock a fight.

by VegasBatman on Aug 27, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think we’re really arguing the same thing, we just have a different reaction to it.

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by Mike Fagan on Aug 26, 2009 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think what most fans are mad about is that we’re never going to get Fedor in the “big fight” situation. By big fight I mean the kind of insane atmosphere when 2 mega stars collide on a huge stage in the UFC. Brock, Anderson, and Randy would all provide this. Instead we’re going to see him probably fighting in front of moderately full arenas on Showtime fighting guys that have no realistic chance of beating him. They are all good fighters, but it just inspires apathy.

by Michael Rome on Aug 26, 2009 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I think we’ll see Fedor in the UFC/in a big fight before he retires. Maybe I’m too optimistic.

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by Mike Fagan on Aug 26, 2009 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Deep down, I can’t see Fedor in the UFC until he loses. And by then, it will be pointless.

Even if Strikeforce was purchased by the UFC tomorrow, and Overeem, Rogers, and Werdum were all absorbed, I still see Fedor going to Japan to fight a freakshow.

Mayb’e I’m too pesimistic. lol

by AlwaysRelaxing on Aug 26, 2009 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And Couture went on record in pre-UFC 102 discussions that if he is to fight Fedor, it will likely need to happen in the UFC. At the end of the day, it doesn’t make sense for him to hurt the UFC by leaving their company and going after that fight again. He has a gym of fighters who need a company the size of the UFC to give them contracts. And really, the UFC is Couture’s retirement plan. He can probably be a commentator and stuff of this nature for the next 20 years. Why risl that on one fight that might still not happen?

by AlwaysRelaxing on Aug 26, 2009 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nope – UFC got more guys that make sense. Top conteder in SF is not equal contender in UFC for me. Even Fedor fighting winner of Couture vs Nugeira (no matter what you think about them being shot – might as well be) because of the marketability comming from the pure interest – what will happen. They won’t creat much interest in Emelianenko vs Rogers as people don’t know who Rogers is and most of them don’t know Fedor either. Of course I’ll be accused of being biase and repetive etc:). This thing sucks – because SF will quickly run out of opponents, provided Fedor will keep winning.

Because everyone need to remember one thing – a huge joke might happen anytime. No one is invevitable and I can’t see anyone even remotely including a possibility of Fedor loosing…. This would be the dread and monstrous nail to the coffin of SF…. And damn – nobody seems to even cosider this option.

by UniversalSoul on Aug 26, 2009 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Beyond the fact that I still don’t see how Carwin or Cain are argued as viable threats/opponents in the immediate to near future (beating Gonzaga/Kongo and some duds)- how the HELL does anyone consider Junior Dos Santos as someone with clout that Fedor should be fighting with!?

If Rogers’ win over AA is so heavily discounted as a lucky KO or whatnot, JDS’ over Werdum is so much better? How is JDS consider a better threat?

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by The_Gaijin on Aug 26, 2009 7:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

The difference is, Junior Dos Santos had to fight Struve and now Cro Cop after that potential fluke win over Werdum. Rogers is going right to the #1 guy in Strikeforce.

See the obvious difference?

by AlwaysRelaxing on Aug 26, 2009 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The #1 guy in SF is actually Overeem, since he is the champ.
=)

by MMASuPreMaCy on Aug 26, 2009 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Honestly that’s not even a technicality, Fedor is the number one guy pretty much everywhere, at least till someone beats him.

by who me on Aug 26, 2009 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who has never defended or even fought for Strikeforce for almost 2 years now.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Aug 26, 2009 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

would it surprise anyone if they made this for an interim belt?

by David_ on Aug 26, 2009 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It would not shock me in the slightest. The fact that Overeem or Le are still champions is a joke.

by AlwaysRelaxing on Aug 26, 2009 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

because SF is a joke...

it might be considered malicious – but I hope that Fedor will lose with someone not on top….

by UniversalSoul on Aug 26, 2009 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rogers.

Hello, Japan!

by Mr.Kib on Aug 26, 2009 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i very much hope so:)

by UniversalSoul on Aug 27, 2009 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

They don’t need an interim belt.

They have the almighty WAMMA belt to defend.

by Phildo on Aug 26, 2009 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

forgot about that.

by David_ on Aug 26, 2009 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hahhahahahaha.

So beating Struve – a total non entity that fought euro club fighters (the equivalent of Jr. D hockey) is the key?

And rnt u the number one guy in the fan club of how overrated/puffed up Cro Cop was/is?? That’s why? Awesome – astroturf away!!!!

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by The_Gaijin on Aug 27, 2009 1:36 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

This is static thinking.

Someone like Dos Santos could KO Mirko in Dallas, and then face Velasquez early next year. If he KO’d Cain too, and maybe won one more fight, you’d have someone people would really want to see fight Fedor.

There is no similar process that will happen in Strikeforce. Who will Werdum fight while he waits? Mike Kyle rematch?

by Michael Rome on Aug 26, 2009 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

The one guy that Strikeforce had that could really be built into a heavyweight draw is the guy they are throwing to the wolves here. They don’t have much for Werdum or Overeem but they could of done a lot to build Rogers up over the next year.

If they aren’t planning on Fedor fighting till November then couldn’t they of booked him against Werdum?

by who me on Aug 26, 2009 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rogers has only had ten fights and Arlovski was the only one of his opponents that meant anything at all. He is a top prospect with a a big upside that they are throwing to the wolves just because he has a bit of buzz around him and no other heavyweight in Strikeforce can draw worth a crap.

by who me on Aug 26, 2009 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

that resonates except.

…Perhaps throwing to the wolves is a harsh depiction. Hopefully he’ll get a nice bucket of money and If Rogers shows well he’ll get lots of respect and will be better prepared for THE REMATCH ON CBS

by naturalist on Aug 26, 2009 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Has anyone with limited experience looked good against Fedor? Roger’s only been fighting for 3 years and 6 months ago he was changing tires at Sam’s Club, beyond AA his only other fight against anyone of name value was against James Thompson. He’s only had ten fights and obviously wasn’t even able to train full time for most of the last year, do you really think he is anywhere near ready to fight the best heavyweight in the world? He’s got a puncher’s chance (and he throws quite a punch) but chances are he’s going to get Zulu’d.

by who me on Aug 26, 2009 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

honestly i think that kongo would have a better chance against fedor then rogers does

by Reeferbot on Aug 26, 2009 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

in any event it will be good experience for him on the big stage. I think he’ll do fine on his feet and might get a few good licks in

by naturalist on Aug 26, 2009 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It doesn’t do him any good at all if he get’s Zulu’d and that is a very real possibility here.

by who me on Aug 26, 2009 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That would be sweet if he gets Zulu'd....

but I have two words for you – Kazuyuki Fujita

by ludakrish on Aug 27, 2009 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If he manages to go 3 rounds...

v. Fedor, then that’s a CV booster. HMC’s highlight reel features him escaping a Fedor armbar which no one has ever done!

by ludakrish on Aug 27, 2009 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The ability to beat Gabriel Gonzaga makes you credible it seems.

by pandaboy99 on Aug 26, 2009 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

if you’re refferring to Carwin, his fight record has more distinguishing characteristics than a simple W over G. G.

by naturalist on Aug 26, 2009 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

There goes Brett's win streak.

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by themachiavellian on Aug 26, 2009 4:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

there goes SOMEBODY’S win streak. i dont care who at this point.

by judonerd on Aug 26, 2009 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t remember Brett mentioning Fedor as someone he wanted to fight in that last interview.

by MMAInFeRioRiTy on Aug 26, 2009 4:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't care.

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by babar1 on Aug 26, 2009 4:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

ZZZ.

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by Beer Monster on Aug 26, 2009 4:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Well... at least it isn't Ricco.

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by Leland Roling on Aug 26, 2009 4:45 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Seriously

It’s possible that they are trying to build towards Overeem, but they should leave it at Overeem/Werdum with the winner facing Fedor.

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by Blackout612 on Aug 26, 2009 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Speaking of Overeeem, He is rumored to fighting in K-1 in October

by The Bronzeville Bully on Aug 26, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah, i think he fights Mighty Mo.

Everyone has a game plan, untell they get hit.

by mma is #1 on Aug 26, 2009 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The fact that Ricco was even rumored was painful.

by who me on Aug 26, 2009 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I honestly think that was only Pavia trying to make a scene.

by Phildo on Aug 26, 2009 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yea but it wouldn’t surprise me if M-1 hadn’t contacted them, pushing that Fedor beats another UFC champion is right down their alley. It renews my faith in Coker that he blew it all off.

by who me on Aug 26, 2009 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think i am gonna throw $100 or so on Brett when the lines come out.

by SouthAlaBamaRampage on Aug 26, 2009 4:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, good luck with that.

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by Mike Fagan on Aug 26, 2009 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If i got it why not..haha

by SouthAlaBamaRampage on Aug 26, 2009 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you’re giving away 100 dollar bills, I can forward you my mailing address through the email on my profile.

I STILL poop rainbows.

by Blackout612 on Aug 26, 2009 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thats what I was going to say. I’ll host your action there.

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by Day Man on Aug 26, 2009 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

C’mon +1000 Line!

by Sokonojudo on Aug 26, 2009 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thats what im saying! lol

by SouthAlaBamaRampage on Aug 26, 2009 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I doubt it, and even then I wouldn’t bet it.

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by Mike Fagan on Aug 26, 2009 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

should be like 550-700 and I certainly wouldnt touch it

by Gerrymanderer on Aug 26, 2009 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It will open at like +400-475 and settle in to about +550 I’d guess

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by Day Man on Aug 26, 2009 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You and Gerry have some pretty solid lines, methinks.

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by Mike Fagan on Aug 26, 2009 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m down

Hello, Japan!

by Mr.Kib on Aug 26, 2009 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

One lucky punch from Rogers and there goes their investment

by SouthAlaBamaRampage on Aug 26, 2009 4:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

If Rogers wins (unlikely) he will kill their entire company like Seth Petruzelli.

by DirtyML on Aug 26, 2009 4:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

They can do Rogers vs. Petruzelli.

by szucconi on Aug 26, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The difference is Elite XC bet the house on Kimbo, and Strikeforce has bet the house on fedor… i think its apparent why the latter is a much smarter bet

by pandaboy99 on Aug 26, 2009 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And yet everybody loses. Betting the house on any one fighter is dumb business.

No one fighter losing in the UFC would cripple them….. Can’t say the same for Strikeforce.

by AlwaysRelaxing on Aug 26, 2009 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not everybody loses, fedors management wins

by pandaboy99 on Aug 26, 2009 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL...

Strikeforce hasn’t bet the house on Fedor considering that they have already had succes without Fedor fighting for them. 3 fight co-promotional contract is betting the house? =)

by MMASuPreMaCy on Aug 26, 2009 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well

Not the kind of success they hope to obtain with him at their disposal.

I STILL poop rainbows.

by Blackout612 on Aug 26, 2009 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Betting whole thing on one guy is the dambest thing to do. It’s like a company relying on one client.

by UniversalSoul on Aug 27, 2009 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fedor is going to win convincingly once again and Strikeforce can continue to tout him as the real deal. I actually would love it if Brett took this one. Kinda “done” with Fedor.

by robotplague on Aug 26, 2009 4:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

And by win convincingly I mean Brett isn’t really all that hot of an opponent. He’s not ready.

by robotplague on Aug 26, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fedor in the first round. Again. :)

I love me some Sexyama!

by pud333 on Aug 26, 2009 4:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

hopefully brett’s gettin’ paid good money for this.

by woooburn on Aug 26, 2009 4:50 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

just look at all that confident facial expression on rogers

by kanodogg on Aug 26, 2009 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and you can tell Emelianenko is shitting his pants.

by David_ on Aug 26, 2009 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Blah.

Rogers gets rushed, swings wildy, gets taken down & subbed.

Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.

by dnevil001 on Aug 26, 2009 4:51 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

This is going to be a beatdown.

by Michael Rome on Aug 26, 2009 4:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I got a weird feeling that Rogers is gonna catch Fedor and KO him

by SouthAlaBamaRampage on Aug 26, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m personally hoping for that. But Fedor will most likely win. Rogers is in for a world of hurt.

I love me some Sexyama!

by pud333 on Aug 26, 2009 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I rec'd dnevil001

Your summation is spot on.

This fight won’t last 30 seconds.

BOOOORING!

by JAYGK95 on Aug 26, 2009 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i would love that

i want the fedor train to reach its last stop, this has been almost as irritating as favre the last few months

by amadeus on Aug 26, 2009 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i want the fedor train to reach its last stop

Why?

by mythbuster on Aug 26, 2009 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

That is a weird feeling.

I STILL poop rainbows.

by Blackout612 on Aug 26, 2009 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Me too....

I’ve been telling my friends who follow MMA all along… If Fedor steps in there with Rogers, there is a GOOD chance that he gets put to sleep… I can’t believe people are writing Brett off so easily, especially with the confidence he posseses.

by MiCe on Aug 26, 2009 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thats What They Said...

When they scheduled Arlovski vs Rogers…
Just pointing that out.

=)

by MMASuPreMaCy on Aug 26, 2009 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not really a parallel, considering the fighters both fought Andrei and Fedor also>Arlovski.

I STILL poop rainbows.

by Blackout612 on Aug 26, 2009 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and they were right, haha

by David_ on Aug 26, 2009 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m thinking Rogers gets kimura’ed.

Let’s not forget this guy was changing tires til about 8 months ago and now he is fighting the best HW in the world.

Great story all around. Easy to sell.

I just hope Rogers is getting paid enough that if he looks awful in this outing it will all be worth it.

by DirtyML on Aug 26, 2009 4:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Its it wrong that I like the matchup?

by szucconi on Aug 26, 2009 4:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

If it was in the UFC yes, StrikeForce no

by SouthAlaBamaRampage on Aug 26, 2009 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thats what I mean. They did they best they could. They didn’t pick up a guy past his prime. They didn’t have a whole lot of better options with the UFC signing all the HW talent.

by szucconi on Aug 26, 2009 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

if they didn’t have anybody for fedro to fight they shouldn’t have signed him

by Reeferbot on Aug 26, 2009 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

not that i completely believe that but it would have been nice to see him in the UFC

by Reeferbot on Aug 26, 2009 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It’s weird that you would even need to ask. Fedor is Fedor, and Rogers is coming off a K.O. of a top ten guy in Arlovski. It’s the best matchup Strikeforce can make right now, and every bit as good as anything the UFC could put together at the moment except Fedor/Brock. Let’s not forget that Rogers’ one big win is better than Carwin’s (Gonzaga), Cain’s (Kongo), and Dos Santos’s (Werdum, who Arlovski beat).

by JRN on Aug 26, 2009 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also Rampage signed on to play as B.A Baracus in an upcoming A Team movie that has Liam Neeson in it.

Should be pretty hilarious.

by DirtyML on Aug 26, 2009 4:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I haven’t liked Rampage’s acting in his other two movies ive seen

by SouthAlaBamaRampage on Aug 26, 2009 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Funniest part is that I recall Baracus driving the van the most, so it will be funny to see Rampage all up on the sidewalk and crashing into people on the big screen.

by DirtyML on Aug 26, 2009 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

LOL I think these are the types of roles Rampage can play, not serious roles but comedic ones

by SouthAlaBamaRampage on Aug 26, 2009 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i wonder if they'll dub over him

because rampage is a mushmouth

by amadeus on Aug 26, 2009 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, I dont think Mr T was ever famous for his world class linguistic skills.

by Dropkick434 on Aug 26, 2009 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah if this movie does well it could really turn into a decent 2nd career for Rampage.

Huerta wont be happy.

by DirtyML on Aug 26, 2009 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think they should have built up Rogers

I’m not the first person to mention this, but I think instead of building to an overeem fight they should have built to a Rogers fight. Hope that Rogers can KTFO some people and gain more name recognition.

by SES 84 on Aug 26, 2009 4:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

They only have enough heavyweights to build up one fighter.

by DirtyML on Aug 26, 2009 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

can’t build him up much more than KOing the will out of Glassjaw-rlovski

by amadeus on Aug 26, 2009 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the preview to the fight will be fedor and brett rogers both beating the shit out of arlovski.

tim sylvia will dvr it.

by DirtyML on Aug 26, 2009 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hands down the funniest comment I’ve read on this sight.

by Screwface on Aug 26, 2009 6:36 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

The same way Carwin was built up after his one big win over Gonzaga. Oh, wait…

by nottheface on Aug 26, 2009 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ugh

Carwin was a D-2 National Champion wrestler, with three first round knockout’s in the UFC, who has never gone to the second round in his 11 fight professional career, is a physical specimen, can hit like a ton of bricks, trains with Greg Jackson, has bigger mitts than Lesnar, and has beef with him.

Go on, describe the similarities..

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by Blackout612 on Aug 26, 2009 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I only hope that people who say “Rogers is a can” and he is undeserving to fight Fedor look at Carwin who is fighting Lesnar.

-Both have a recent win (TKO) over a fighter who has fought for the HW UFC belt (AA/Gonzaga)
-Both are undefeated with roughly the same number of wins
-Both are very large fighters with big hands and punching power

Rogers=Carwin

by Sokonojudo on Aug 26, 2009 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Absolutely not

I think Rogers is a good fighter and has a bright future, but I take issue with the comparison, particularly based on the comment you responded to. And Rogers is my favorite fighter of the two and a Minnesota guy, so I’m hardly playing sides..

I STILL poop rainbows.

by Blackout612 on Aug 26, 2009 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Roger’s is better and poses a greater risk to Fedor than Carwin would. He’s huge, has decent takedown defense (which will be huge when against a man 30-40lbs lighter). Both have KO power, but Rogers seems more explosive, with faster hands and more skill in the standup (knees, footwork, etc). Now his wrestling is not nearly as good as Carwin’s but it doesn’t have to be, he just has to keep this fight standing where he can hope to take Fedor out..

And for what it’s worth I’m thinking Carwin will taken down and pummeled for a RD 3 TKO by Lesnar

by nottheface on Aug 26, 2009 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i would say carwin has the better chance because of his wrestling fedro hasn’t had to face the kind of wrestling prowess that carwin, cain, and brock have plus with carwin and brock all it takes is one punch to end it

by Reeferbot on Aug 26, 2009 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well there is that NCAA national wrestling championship that Carwin has, and the fact that he trains with one of the best camps in the sport. Then you also got to look at the fact that Carwin is fighting a guy who also only has limited experience where Roger’s if fighting a guy who most people think is the best pound for pound fighter the sport has ever seen. Roger’s is a big time prospect but he’s no where near ready for Fedor and it’s sad to see him used up like that.

by who me on Aug 26, 2009 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

coker is a genius

he wouldn’t lend rogers to fight fedor for affliction, but makes the fight under his own banner…. hes got a lil Dana in him

by amadeus on Aug 26, 2009 5:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

If you’re going to kill one of your budding superstars (or at least lose his undefeated streak) you might as will get the benefit.

by Phildo on Aug 26, 2009 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fedorbar FTW.

http://twitter.com/FlyByKnite

by FlyByKnight on Aug 26, 2009 5:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Rogers is expendable. Overeem is probably the only guy in Strikeforce who can credibly challenge Fedor, AND he has the belt. No reason to blow their load for the first fight.

by toxic on Aug 26, 2009 5:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Brett Rogers is the only heavyweight that has enough “star power” to actually become a draw. Overeem isn’t going to draw in the US (and is overrated) and Werdum makes Overeem look popular. Rogers only has had ten fights, he is a top prospect with a big upside not a contender and definitely not expendable. They should of saved Rogers for Fedor’s third Strikeforce fight and used that year of time to build him up as the star he could be because he’s the only fight in the company that has a chance of being a real draw.

by who me on Aug 26, 2009 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeh I agree with this

but obviously Scott Coker has other plans.

by rainmaker6 on Aug 26, 2009 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It doesn’t matter until it happens

by Reciprocity on Aug 26, 2009 5:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

=(

Brett I hope they are paying you a ton of cash.

by Sokonojudo on Aug 26, 2009 5:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think he is getting $2000

by SouthAlaBamaRampage on Aug 26, 2009 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Free tire rotation at Sam’s Club and a two for one movie pass only available during non matinees.

by DirtyML on Aug 26, 2009 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

They prolly got him with the 2 for 1 movie pass

by SouthAlaBamaRampage on Aug 26, 2009 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gotta love Fedor and his management team, this is the perfect first fight for him in SF he’s facing a guy coming off a huge win over a name HW. Who has very little experience against top fighters and is basically a one note striker who will get subbed in the first round. After which the Fedor hype machine will go all out to proclaim Fedor king of all HW’s after dismantling a guy who’s about a year or 2 from actually being a challenge to him. Gotta hand it to them their business moves might suck but when it comes to protecting their investment they know what they are doing.

by Raker on Aug 26, 2009 5:05 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Fedor v. Brett

Well, the winner will be seen as a really strong challenger to Overeem’s title, I can say that much.

Otherwise, I don’t see how Strikeforce can afford to consolidate the number of legitimate title contenders with a Heavyweight roster than can be counted on slightly more than one hand.

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by Brett Jones on Aug 26, 2009 5:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I don’t see how Strikeforce can afford to consolidate the number of legitimate title contenders with a Heavyweight roster than can be counted on slightly more than one hand.

If your one hand has 3 fingers then yea it can be counted on slightly more than one hand

by SouthAlaBamaRampage on Aug 26, 2009 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It’ll be so huge if Rogers pulls win somehow. Strikeforce will have a huge more marketable star if that happens. Still its very doubtful but id like to see it happen. From changing tires to defeating the one of the greatest fighters in mma history, in less than a year

by reciprocal on Aug 26, 2009 5:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think they’d consider it a disaster if Rogers won.

I STILL poop rainbows.

by Blackout612 on Aug 26, 2009 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why, they’d have the fedor killer under their banner. Its a discredit to the UFC heavyweights no matter who wins.

by judonerd on Aug 26, 2009 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m going to consider this comment rhetorical.

I STILL poop rainbows.

by Blackout612 on Aug 26, 2009 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is MMA....

….anything can happen. This is a tough one to predict. Im gonna back Brett on this I think.

by mmahh on Aug 26, 2009 5:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

“This is a tough one to predict.”

Being facetious, I hope?

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by Mike Fagan on Aug 26, 2009 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

At least admit Rogers has a CHANCE to win. I’m excited just for the fact that no one thinks Rogers can win. This is how underdog stories are written. Big bad Russian Goliath goes against the American Middle Class worker who no one thinks can win. It has a nice story to it. Sokoudjou did it. Serra did it. Anything’s possible.

by Sokonojudo on Aug 26, 2009 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Of course its a great story, that’s why they made a movie about it. It’s called Rocky (or Rocky IV if you wanna stress the unbeatable Russian goliath thing), you should check it out. :P

But if you are stupid, you will be beaten with a stick - Proverbs 10:13

by Ominous on Aug 26, 2009 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The American wins in Rocky IV. But Rogers is Black and Rocky is white. And Rocky beats Clubber Lang in the rematch so ….WAR LESNAR except Lesnar looks more like Ivan Drago than Rocky. Ugh, this is just one messed up plot clusterfuck.

by Sokonojudo on Aug 26, 2009 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Most underdog stories end with the underdog losing…

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Aug 26, 2009 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why? Its two knockout specialists going into that cage and Brett is too young as a fighter to be intimidated by Fedor and walk in there with losing on his mind. AA and Timmeh (and for that matter griffin v silva) all walked into that ring shaken and flustered. AA looked good but completely forgot his gameplan at the first sign of success like some kind of mma virgin.

Brett has a shot.

by judonerd on Aug 26, 2009 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

“Brett is too young as a fighter to be intimidated by Fedor and walk in there with losing on his mind.”

What are you talking about?

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by Mike Fagan on Aug 26, 2009 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess I’m trying to illustrate something about the psychological advantage Brett Rogers has in being young to the sport. Sylvia had lost before stepping into the ring because of his fear and reverence towards FEDOR THE INVINCIBLE. AA lost his shit as soon as his straight-punch game plan worked—his brain went “holy god youre beating FEDOR! Mwarrrh flying knee zzzzzz”.

Same thing with Rashed—he said he was having nightmares about losing to Machida weeks before the fight. He lost before the opening bell. Griffin got flustered against Silva, etc. etc. Visualize failure is a self-fulfilling prophecy.

The older fighters speak about Fedor in hushed tones, but Rogers doesn’t seem to care who he is. He hasn’t built Fedor up into this god on high. Fedor is just another guy, just like him. This is going to allow him to keep calm and execute his plan a lot better. He just wants to never have to change a tire again, make a few bucks and knock this little russian dude’s head off for the W.

I’m just saying his lack of reverence for the sport and its gods is going to give him an edge Tim and AA never had.

by judonerd on Aug 26, 2009 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

How do you know what Rogers(or any other fighter) thinks about this fight? Are you his psychologist? It’s an interesting theory but it’s just that, besides normally it is exactly the opposite of what you are describing.

Guys like Sylvia and AA have held multiple world championships and headlined numerous big events. They have been in the game before, when has Brett Rogers headlined any major event? Those are guys who are millionaires, as you pointed out Rogers was changing tires 6 months ago, he has a lot to lose here if this goes badly for him.

by who me on Aug 26, 2009 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Counterpoint:

1. Rogers has NOTHING to lose, he’s the underdog. If he gets beat, he got beat by Fedor, so who is going to hold that against him. If he wins, he has a career for life.

2. True champions believe in themselves and walk in the ring knowing they will win, even to the point of self delusion. Timmy and AA both have shown a lack of confidence over and over again. And the UFC sucked a little when they had the belt. Timmy took the belt from Ricco Rod for god’s sake.

3. I know what he is thinking because he does interviews. He says stuff like what he is thinking. You can get a good sense of someone’s attitude when they talk about themselves and stuff.

by judonerd on Aug 26, 2009 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

who is going to hold that against him

The average person is going to see him get curbstomped by this pudgy Russian dude.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Aug 26, 2009 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I do not think

there will be too many “average people” who do not know Fedor watching this fight. Sure there may be a few, but for the mainstream MMA fans a loss to Fedor is like 99% expected.

Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.

by dnevil001 on Aug 27, 2009 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The older fighters speak about Fedor in hushed tones

Oh come off it….

by VegasBatman on Aug 27, 2009 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fedor is not a “knockout specialist.”

It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.

by capital L on Aug 26, 2009 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ok, let me try again

Maybe Fedor isnt a KO guy, but he’s definitely a TKO guy. Both are extremly heavy handed and can end fights with one hook and a little GnP. So, Fedor is taking a risk by standing with him, and Brett takes the same risk by standing with Fedor. Therefore Brett has a shot here, a puncher’s chance.

by judonerd on Aug 26, 2009 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He is now that his opponents arent swallowing an entire pharmacy before the fight…

The ignorant who think drug testing makes no difference are clueless.

by mmalogic on Aug 26, 2009 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The date would allow for the UFC to sneak in a live event between 104 and 105

by SouthAlaBamaRampage on Aug 26, 2009 5:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

This doesn’t make much sense. Fedor vs. Rogers is more marketable then Fedor vs. Werdum. Why put this fight on Showtime? Now they have one less interesting fight if they try and go on CBS.

It should have been Fedor vs. Werdum on Showtime, followed by Fedor vs. Rogers on CBS.

by AlwaysRelaxing on Aug 26, 2009 5:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Or even PPV if they wanted to go in that direction. Fedor vs. Werdum is not. And even if Rogers wins, it is hard to sell it on PPV, as the press for Fedor mostly goes away once he loses.

by AlwaysRelaxing on Aug 26, 2009 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think if Fedor was to lose in SF. They would rather have it be to Rogers than the other HWs. Thats why hes getting first crack at him.

by reciprocal on Aug 26, 2009 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It could mean that certain people have been overestimating how close they actually are to a CBS card.

by Phildo on Aug 26, 2009 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You are probably right. Any CBS executive would be all over Carano/Cyborg or Fedor/Rogers. The fact that both are on Showtime, where 500,000 is about the maximum for a fight they can get speaks volumes. Heck, almost double the number of people purchased a $45 event (UFC 101).

by AlwaysRelaxing on Aug 26, 2009 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

strikeforce will be out of buzness in a year......

by then fedor will have two fights in a cage. then he will move to the ufc where if he is undefeated will face brock lesnar. dana white said so. brock will get much better in that year and will beat fedor with a takedown with the crucifex position and put the beatdown on the so called greatest hw of all-time. you think mir bleed. fedor was bloodied by matt lindland. also fedor has lost in a sambo tournament to a bulgarian about a year ago. he is not indestructible. count on it lesnar will defeat him and put him into retirement!

by wolfmanshowlforever on Aug 26, 2009 5:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Even if Strikeforce goes out of business, I can’t see Fedor signing with the UFC. His manager would lose out on too much money and Fedor would have to constantly fight Top 5 guys.

by AlwaysRelaxing on Aug 26, 2009 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

he’s slowly running out of people to pay him that money.

If strikeforce goes under/won’t re-sign him, who’s going to pay him besides Dana?

by Phildo on Aug 26, 2009 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I completely agree. I just think Vadim is too shady to ever sign over the power of matchmaking to the UFC. That is what it comes down to. Because he will likely lose in the UFC, and once that happens, the cash machine is over with.

by AlwaysRelaxing on Aug 26, 2009 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But if the cash machine ends from other ways, the only way to cash in will be UFC.

by Phildo on Aug 26, 2009 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

As long as Fedor stays undefeated, a $250,000 payday will always be available in Japan.

Compare that to a UFC contract. If the guaranteed amount is even $1 Million (not counting PPV Buys)….. Vadim might get 5%, which is $50,000….. He might not even legally be able to touch the PPV Bonus money.

When he is co-signed for the money in Japan…. Vadim has more access to the Japanese payday then $50,000….

This is kind of hypothetical…. But the way they operate, I wouldn’t be shocked….

by AlwaysRelaxing on Aug 26, 2009 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Really? So he supposedly turned down a guaranteed $5 mil a fight in the UFC so that he could hang on to his undefeated record and collect $250,000 in Japan? Even hypothetically… that sounds like a stretch.

by nottheface on Aug 26, 2009 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That’s the thing. his manager isn’t doing what is in the best interest of Fedor. He is doing what is in the best interest of his own wallet.

by AlwaysRelaxing on Aug 26, 2009 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I mentioned it before about 27 times – this guy Vadim (and whole M-1 thingy) is shady

by UniversalSoul on Aug 27, 2009 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

NICE!

Fedor will obliterate Rogers AND you know Dana White will have a crap ton of UFC programming on Spike that day.

Alas that will lose out to college football anyway so…..

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by SSreporters on Aug 26, 2009 5:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Vote for Fedro

But if you are stupid, you will be beaten with a stick - Proverbs 10:13

by Ominous on Aug 26, 2009 5:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I like Rogers, he does seem like a HW Balboa story. I hope he makes the best of it, I can imagine he will quadruple his pay for this fight and permanently quadruple it if he wins.
Way too many unknowns for me to pick him winning though, I’d love to be wrong though for the sheer violence that would happen on the internet though.. UG and Sherdog would likely implode from the epicness of such an event.

by pr0cs on Aug 26, 2009 5:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I’m pretty sure if Fedor loses its the end of creation. So yeah.

But if you are stupid, you will be beaten with a stick - Proverbs 10:13

by Ominous on Aug 26, 2009 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

how do you mean? your not going to get all suicidal if he does are you? because if you are, you might not want to watch :P

by gecko071980 on Aug 26, 2009 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, no

What he’s saying is that the universe will fold in on itself and we will all cease to exist. Let’s not get crazy here..

I STILL poop rainbows.

by Blackout612 on Aug 26, 2009 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol, i know, just kidding…but in mma you never know.

by gecko071980 on Aug 26, 2009 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was being sarcastic. Ha..

I STILL poop rainbows.

by Blackout612 on Aug 26, 2009 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Waddya know, fedor fights another best-in-the-business guy thus further justifying his #1 ranking…………………………………………..

by iTap on Aug 26, 2009 6:00 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Someone explain to me the Fedor hate.

The guy has beaten everyone put in front of him, and now he’s ducking fights because he won’t bend over for Dana?

I don’t get it.

by mythbuster on Aug 26, 2009 6:03 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

If this is new to you, you should browse the old news archives.

I STILL poop rainbows.

by Blackout612 on Aug 26, 2009 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you'll never get it

because its like people who love to wear logos plastered all over themselves… they voluntarily hooray for a brand, namely the ufc.

by bleve_ on Aug 26, 2009 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Really?? lol, you sir are a little touched

by gecko071980 on Aug 26, 2009 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess for some people everything revolves around the UFC, it seems you can’t get past your petty hatred of them. I bet you accuse everyone who doesn’t agree with you of being a UFC nuthugger because it’s not like anyone else can just have a different opinion.

by who me on Aug 26, 2009 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

thanks for comment stalking me but I don’t hate the ufc, I find the attitude of people degrading Coker, M-1 and Fedor for making a business decision that doesn’t benefit the ufc akin to cheerleading. my perogative, deal with it.

by bleve_ on Aug 26, 2009 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m more mad at him that he’s a part of the sleezy M-1 Global Promotions. He knows he should be in the UFC but Russians are crazy so w.e. Fedor is still a great fighter but if he wants to fight the Butterbean/Bob Sapps of the world he’s going to.

by Sokonojudo on Aug 26, 2009 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can understand that to a degree

except that he just beat, devastatingly, both Tim Sylvia and Andre Arlovski. Both guys were very relevant at the time and were considered good matches. So I don’t buy the whole “He’s ducking real fights” thing. His last two fights proved it.

I agree with the fellow above, honestly. It looks more and more like it comes down to UFC nuthuggery.

by mythbuster on Aug 26, 2009 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think for a lot of people it’s just that they have gotten tired of the continual circus. It also doesn’t help that Fedor nuthuggers are amazingly annoying (yes that’s not Fedor’s fault but this is the internet).

by who me on Aug 26, 2009 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well sure, all nuthuggers are annoying. That goes equally for Lesnar nuthuggers and BJ Penn nuthuggers.

by mythbuster on Aug 26, 2009 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The opposite are becoming equally as annoying.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Aug 26, 2009 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The guy has beaten everyone Finkie chooses for him to fight

Fixed.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Aug 26, 2009 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Nobody can claim there is no conflict of interest here. Finkie is looking out for himself first, M-1 second, and Fedro third at best.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Aug 26, 2009 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you got it pretty much right – but there is probably a couple more things between Finkie, M-1 (global of course) and Fedor.

by UniversalSoul on Aug 27, 2009 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

How can people still nut hug a guy who has a record of mostly cans? i Know who he has fought, and i said mostly cans

by gecko071980 on Aug 26, 2009 6:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Let me see, since Summer of 2008 Fedor has fought, or has been scheduled to fight:

Tim Sylvia (Ranked #4 on Sherdog at the time)
Randy Couture (ufc HW Champ)
Andrie Arlovski (#2 on Sherdog at the time)
Josh Barnett (#2 on Sherdog at the time)
Brett Rogers (#7 on Sherdog at this time)

And he’s ducking people. I’ll admit he fought some less than respectable fighters. And I’ll admit it’s disappointing how often his fights fall through. But can we please stop suggesting that he’s trying to duck fighters.

by nottheface on Aug 26, 2009 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

who said he was ducking? and please dont say tim sylvia again… he is the can. all im saying is his record holds way more cans then creditable fighters.. maybe 2 of those guys are any good anymore, or in there prime would do any good now.

by gecko071980 on Aug 26, 2009 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

My mistake, I saw the comment two postings up and assumed you were replying to him.

And in Fedor’s defense, you could only call Tim a “can” after the fact. When the fight was scheduled most people thought he was a worthy opponent.

by nottheface on Aug 26, 2009 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I never liked tim, he was in the ufc and i hated this guy… sooo boring to watch, and just made himself look stupid everytime he opened his mouth.. He was in a not so great HW devision.. I would say SF HW devision is better then the UFC’s HW devision when tim was around. except the few like randy, mir….so on

by gecko071980 on Aug 26, 2009 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Most guys at HW have their fight card littered with cans if they fight often enough.

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by Mike Fagan on Aug 26, 2009 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

There just are not that many good fighters that big.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Aug 26, 2009 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jesus Christ. Sylvia was not a “can” at the point of that fight. In fact…he is not a “can” now. People need to learn what the term actually means.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 27, 2009 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I don’t know what he was in the Mercer fight…

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Aug 27, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He was a guy who didn't take training seriously...

and obviously didn’t have his heart or head in the game and he got caught. Thjat is far from the definition of a can.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 27, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

to an earlier post

it was fedor’s mangement team that wanted a piece of zuffa holdings. zuffa is owned by the ferttita’s of las vegas. they own ufc, wec and station casino’s. the ferttita’s lost alot of money on the ufc until it became profitable about two years ago. why should dana and the ferttita’s bend over to fedor’s management team. they built the ufc into the machine it is. blame fedor’s handlers not the ufc peace out! vamos!

by wolfmanshowlforever on Aug 26, 2009 6:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Ya, watching Rogers get demolished in under 2 minutes will be fucking awesome. I’m sure glad he didn’t go to the UFC so we can see dream fights like this.

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by Brad Ackerson on Aug 26, 2009 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

or Rogers could win….and the MMA world will explode.

by Sokonojudo on Aug 26, 2009 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Explode is an understatement, it would be the Fedorpocalypse.

Dr. Peter Venkman: This city is headed for a disaster of biblical proportions.
Mayor: What do you mean, “biblical”?
Dr Ray Stantz: What he means is Old Testament, Mr. Mayor, real wrath of God type stuff.
Dr. Peter Venkman: Exactly.
Dr Ray Stantz: Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies! Rivers and seas boiling!
Dr. Egon Spengler: Forty years of darkness! Earthquakes, volcanoes…
Winston Zeddemore: The dead rising from the grave!
Dr. Peter Venkman: Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together… mass hysteria!

by who me on Aug 26, 2009 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

that sounds familiar, but I have no clue where it is from.

by David_ on Aug 26, 2009 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who ya gonna call?

by MMAussie on Aug 26, 2009 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

riiight, thank you man, I was going to wonder where was it from all day long… or maybe just a couple of minutes, but still

by David_ on Aug 26, 2009 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No probs, i read through it and had the same “where do i know that from” thought. The Dr Peter Venkman gave it away for me.

by MMAussie on Aug 26, 2009 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Making me feel old….. I thought that one was an easy one :D

by who me on Aug 26, 2009 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am sorry to tell you that it was made before i was born.

by David_ on Aug 26, 2009 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow i didn’t even know that till i just looked it up, but yeh it was made b4 i was born as well.

by MMAussie on Aug 26, 2009 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was in high school.

by who me on Aug 26, 2009 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was two and a half.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Aug 26, 2009 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn’t be born for another 3 years.

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by themachiavellian on Aug 27, 2009 1:06 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

if he’s demolished with unique set of power, speed and technical brilliance that only fedor posses then, ya it will be pretty awesome. If Rogers has a good night then it will be even more bangin.

by naturalist on Aug 26, 2009 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is pretty much my thought too—regardless of the matchmaking, the fight itself should be highly entertaining one way or another.

It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.

by capital L on Aug 26, 2009 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What the hell?

has anyone noticed that 11/6 is a Friday?

by David_ on Aug 26, 2009 6:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

wonder if they think the ufc wont counter program if its on a friday night

by brazary on Aug 26, 2009 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You mean with a live event? Because they already have too many events during those weeks to schedule another one.

by David_ on Aug 26, 2009 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

At this point and time I can honestly say “I don’t care about this fight.” It will be the same bullshit posted here by new people. Same replies from the BE dedicated followers.

This fight will tell me ZERO about either fighter. If Rogers catches Fedor and KOs him, there will be excuses. If Fedor wins it’s the same shit, different fight.

In the UFC top ranked fighters fight each other every fight. The cans or washed up fighters get released. Period. No promotion puts their meal tickets against top fighters the way the UFC does. Period. That is what I want from Fedor. At this point I hope Lesnar leaves the UFC and goes looking for Fedor.

If you are a true great champion you will test yourself over and over and over. Hughes fought everyone, Liddell did the same. Anderson is fighting anyone on any weight class. This is what true champions do. For every AA there is a Zulu on Fedors record. Fedor is fading away in my book.

by Riney on Aug 26, 2009 7:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't think that if Fedor loses there will be excuses

There won’t be. The Fedor legend/myth will be over.

Until then, Fedor is still the No.1 ranked HW. And he has fought a huge variety of top competition in their prime.

Mythbuster is correct – everyone has their panties in a knot for one reason only, Fedor’s managemetn doesn’t get along with the UFC. It’s that simple.

by rainmaker6 on Aug 26, 2009 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I could care less if Fedor ever goes to the UFC, heck lets all just face facts right now he isn’t ever going to the UFC and that has been obvious for a while now. I just hate to see him fighting below him when there are better challenges out there. There will be plenty of time to fight Brett Rogers once Brett Rogers actually has the experience and training to make it something special. It would of been nice to see Brett brought along properly before being fed to the best fighter in the world and it’s not like there aren’t other options for Strikeforce here.

by who me on Aug 26, 2009 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kid Nate likes it because he gets more traffic.

A Zuffa monopoly on the top tier talent means he gets less traffic… so when he says “he’s worried for the fighters” that’s code for: “this shit gets me a shit load of traffic, I just realized a zuffa dominated landscape of all the top tier fighters aint good for business”.

What he doesn’t realize is if the sport degrades into the Boxing Model and fighters milk their names as much as they can choosing their opponents as soon as they build a name for themselves, guys like Machida and Anderson never getting fights, nobody investing in building new stars, undercard fights being watered down, etc… He’ll end up with less than a quarter of his traffic.

by mmalogic on Aug 26, 2009 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Eh, I’m not worried about site traffic, that will be fine regardless. I was just making a point of why I don’t care for this particular fight booking.

by who me on Aug 26, 2009 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah, im just giving my take on why “new media” is not the same quality of old media.

If mayweather ducked the #2 – #7 guy in his division and went on to fight the #8, 10 and 14 guy you wouldn’t have the boxing writers making excuses for him. His ass wouldn’t hear the end of it.

But now you have traffic stats and personal agendas in play so making sure there are other players and to generate Drama with the UFC is key.

This media is more into pro-wrestling than sport.

Josh Gross thinks the UFC model needs to end because the “best need to fight the best”… in its short history the UFC has put together more #1 and #2 fights than any fight promoter.

He then defends M-1’s business model and defends Fedor for not fighting the best.

Personal Agenda makes an otherwise capable guy look absolutely foolish.

by mmalogic on Aug 26, 2009 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I absolutely agree

that a monopoly model is in the best long-term interests of the sport as a whole. But that’s going to take awhile.

Definitely having the UFC as the ONLY premier MMA promotion would be great. I’m all for that. However for the time being they don’t ‘own’ Fedor and he’s still the No. 1 HW. Although I can’t see that the next No. 1 HW after Fedor would end up outside the UFC.

At this point, if I were the Fertittas/Dana I would make an offer for Strikeforce. Extend an olive branch before the war begins. But make it clear that if the olive branch is not accepted war is imminent. (I’m pretty sure this is obvious by now).

It’s not personal. it’s just business. =-)

by rainmaker6 on Aug 27, 2009 2:22 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agree on monopoly – it’s the best for growth of the sport and I’m 100% with you on that one.
As per extending olive branched – I really don’t know. They could probably simply buy the whole thing off, but to be honest it’s not worth it. I believe, they’re better off to counter offer fighters and bring them on. It’s no secret that sf can’t afford to pay the sort of money Zuffa can for a few simple reasons – they have resources, and they have fighters to make fights that generate good money. So UFC could easily pay Fedor 3 miln bucks for a fight, because his fight with Lesnar would generate close to 2mln ppv buys. SF on the other hand can’t do this becuase they’d have to match him with say Overeem, and 400-500k people would watch it on showtime. The diffence is so huge that it’s not even worth considering.

And honestly – I stopped giving a damn abou emelianenko. He’ll either fight guys like rogers or sign with ufc. It’s even more. in my book ufc will start signing everyone credible so sf will and up with emelianenko and a big black hole

So yes – definitely ufc monopoly is now the best option

by UniversalSoul on Aug 27, 2009 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I honestly don't agree with that...

at least me personally…I think a Zuffa dominated sport would make things better for a site like ours. People can follow a sport much more easily if they don’t have to try to follow multiple leagues. Casual fans are what a site like this covets, the hardcore fans will follow the sport no matter what.

If all fights of importance take place in the UFC then it will not be intimidating for new fans to become big fans.

Maybe Nate sees it differently…but all I have to do is look at our traffic stats for things like Fedor signing with SF (nice…) vs. major UFC news (huge) to know what I think is best for our site

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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 27, 2009 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the thing that drives our traffic is news

the stuff i enjoy writing about is mma history and technique.
driving traffic is cool, but the way this site and SBN work is this is just a hobby for me. so i’m not going to be maninipulating bullshit to drive traffic.
with the the fedor stuff i was just trying to cover the story from multiple perspectives.
Over at Fight Opinion those guys were pillorying us for being Zuffa shills and here’s the Zuffa shill going after me for being a traffic whore because I called out Dana for blowing the Fedor negotiations.
I’ll admit i’m not a fan of monopolies in any venue, but if the UFC had a monopoly AND an independent fighters union that might be a best case scenario for everyone.

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by Kid Nate on Aug 27, 2009 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think I learned a golden rule on this site, don’t disagree with you or my comments get deleted into oblivion.

This fight sucks!

How’s that.

by bleve_ on Aug 27, 2009 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was about to say the same thing

I’ve noticed several of my recent comments have disappeared as well.

Ghey

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by aaronb on Aug 27, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You’ve only ever had one comment hidden.

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by Richard Wade on Aug 27, 2009 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You’ve only ever had two comments hidden.

Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken

by Richard Wade on Aug 27, 2009 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is that why the recent activity in my profile lists 7 comments on this thread with only two showing up?

by bleve_ on Aug 27, 2009 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

its because your comments were casualties of a thread that got hidden over someone else's BS

the late night threads get ugly and when we try to go back and clean up, there is collatoral damage.
we don’t have an editorial axe to grind we’re just trying to avoid stupid fights and nasty pissing matches.

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by Kid Nate on Aug 27, 2009 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What he said.

Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken

by Richard Wade on Aug 27, 2009 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Got it. Appreciate the reply.

by bleve_ on Aug 28, 2009 2:26 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The amount of criticism this fight is getting here is kind of amazing.

In terms of in-ring accomplishments to date, Rogers has at least equaled if not surpassed UFC HW #1 contender Shane Carwin. And yet commentor after commentor—“boring” “zzzz” “Fedor is still fighting cans” etc. etc.

I understand the skepticism to a point—Rogers is still fairly green, and hasn’t shown the kind of well-rounded skills one would expect to be necessary to beat Fedor. But give the man his due: he’s undefeated, has finished all his opponents, and knocked Andrei Arlovski’s block off.

Rogers has one hell of a puncher’s chance, and every Fedor fight has that anxious excitement hanging over it—will Fedor finally lose? Will age or apathy catch up to him? Will he turn in a vintage performance, but still get caught, maybe struggle more than expected? Or will he sail to victory yet again?

Exciting stuff. To me, at least.

by JRN on Aug 26, 2009 7:12 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

While I agree with your comparison of Carwin & Rogers, there are two differences:

1. Styles make fights. Lesnar/Carwin is much more compelling then Fedor/Rogers.

2. In the UFC, we know the title challengers will always be getting tough fights. It’s the way they have done things for years. So if one fight here or there isn’t perfectly the #1 contender, it’s not a big deal. With Fedor, we don’t know if he will fight top competition in the future, so each fight feels that much more important.

by AlwaysRelaxing on Aug 26, 2009 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Please don’t construe my post as criticism of Carwin as #1 contender or the UFC’s matchmaking or anything like that. While I think Junior Dos Santos got the shaft a little in getting passed over for a shot (Werdum is a better win than Gonzaga for obvious reasons), I understand why they’re doing what they’re doing.

And I also understand why people consider Carwin more credible than Rogers. A huge wrestler with knockout power does and should get deference over a power puncher without evident grappling expertise. I, like most, suspect that Carwin is the better fighter.

But in terms of accomplishments, they’re about even—and I give Rogers the edge. And since that’s the most legitimate way of determining matchups, I see no room for complaint.

Plus I just categorically deny that Carwin/Lesnar is more compelling. Fedor/Rogers has Fedor. Fedor is fun as hell to watch. It’s weird how people lose sight of that.

(Yes, I realize I’m probably using a different yardstick for “compelling” than you.)

by JRN on Aug 26, 2009 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The fact alone that Fedor is fighting is not compelling.

by AlwaysRelaxing on Aug 26, 2009 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Aw c’mon, sure it is. Fedor is pretty cool, y’know. He’s really good!

by JRN on Aug 26, 2009 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So are a lot of fighters. They still need to be fighting somebody I care about and who I think is a good fight for them.

by AlwaysRelaxing on Aug 26, 2009 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You’re one humorless dude, A-R.

I hope the day never comes when I can’t get excited to watch, say, Carlos Newton, just cuz he’s fighting some Canadian I’ve never heard of.

by JRN on Aug 26, 2009 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

=-) or lol works if you are using sarcasm…. lol

by AlwaysRelaxing on Aug 26, 2009 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

will you even watch the fight?

by David_ on Aug 26, 2009 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nope.

I got Showtime to watch Weeds.
I got Directv to get HDNet to watch the cool High Definition movies.

by AlwaysRelaxing on Aug 26, 2009 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you forgot to put lol or =-)

by rainmaker6 on Aug 26, 2009 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Isn’t the big knock on Lesnar his lack of experience? So wouldn’t that mean that Carwin’s lack of experience isn’t as big a deal in that match up? Wouldn’t the fact that both guys are huge national champion NCAA wrestlers make that match up more appealing?

Brett Roger’s has never shown much of a rounded game at all(he’s a one dimensional striker going up against a submission god), has only been fighting for three years now, hasn’t even been able to train full time for much of the year and is fighting freaking Fedor Aside from the fact that both Roger’s and Carwin are big time prospects I don’t really see where the two have much in common at all at this point.

by who me on Aug 26, 2009 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, both guys are undefeated, one 10-0, the other 11-0. Both have a bunch of wins over unranked, unheralded guys, then a win or two against a medium-tier guy, then one big win over a name guy. Both have finished all their fights with strikes. So there’s that angle.

Not sure where you’re coming from with the experience stuff. I didn’t say anything about Lesnar or Carwin’s experience or lack thereof.

by JRN on Aug 26, 2009 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well the point people are making about Rogers is the lack of experience going into a fight with Fedor and people are trying to compare Rogers experience to Carwin’s experience, thus the entire issue revolves around experience doesn’t it? You yourself just compared their accomplishments, records and who they have fought which is directly comparing their experience in the sport. That’s where the “experience stuff” came from.

My point was that experience was really irrelevant when you compare the two guys due to the fact that Lesnar has less experience than everyone else being talked about but the experience difference is very relevant when talking about Rogers vs Fedor. Their similar records are made irrelevant for comparison due to the fact that it’s only an issue in one of the matches. These are two very different match involving four very different fighters.

by who me on Aug 26, 2009 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

My point is simply that if Carwin is deemed ready for a shot at the top guy available to him based on his accomplishments, then Rogers should be too.

So I guess what I’m talking about when I compare their records is not necessarily plain experience, but accomplishments. This is still a sport where inexperienced guys can do great things—Lesnar is a prime example (also c.f. Joe Warren). So the experience disparity in either fight doesn’t concern me much.

From what I can tell, the concern over Rogers stems more from people’s suspicion that he just doesn’t have the skills to hang. Some folks are saying that he’s only recently trained full-time and all that, but I suspect there wouldn’t be such talk if had he displayed tight ground game at any point.

(Also there seems to be concern that losing might sink Rogers’s career. This is a weird thought. Fedor is guaranteed to be sold as the best fighter in the world, and most serious fans still consider him #1, so it’s hard to imagine a less damaging loss. Losing to Overeem or Werdum would be better?)

by JRN on Aug 27, 2009 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t see this fight being competitive. Fedor is at his worst when his opponents are either fast or very good wrestlers. Rogers is neither

by Discman2 on Aug 26, 2009 7:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I don’t see how that matters much. I see headlines for sports I don’t watch all the time, doesn’t mean I go out and watch them.

The UFC was built without headlines like this. And this doesn’t sell tickets or increase viewership.

by AlwaysRelaxing on Aug 26, 2009 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

When MMA is on the front page of ESPN, it matters and it’s good for MMA.

by MMASuPreMaCy on Aug 26, 2009 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It’s getting pretty common for MMA to get on the headline ticker on the side of the Fox sports and ESPN websites, particularly when not much else is going on that day. When they actually get a top story instead of a headline ticker then it will be something to get really excited about.

by who me on Aug 26, 2009 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yup. clicks = espn taking notice of the sport.

by judonerd on Aug 26, 2009 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The UFC does it a lot, why not get excited then?

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Aug 26, 2009 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Didn’t you answer your own question?

by David_ on Aug 26, 2009 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Supremacy is biased as hell with a transparent agenda, I am just calling him on it.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Aug 27, 2009 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

what agenda?

by judonerd on Aug 27, 2009 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m about as excited for this fight as I would be to see GSP fight Paulo Thiago.

by Jahbulon on Aug 26, 2009 9:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Is that a lot, or not too much?

by David_ on Aug 26, 2009 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

“Zuffa can increase the PPV price by 5 bucks… 44.95 to 49.95. This will make absolutely zero difference in the number of buys”
by “absolutely zero” do you mean “very little”? because if not, I have trouble taking you seriously.

by David_ on Aug 26, 2009 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

44.95 versus 49.95 makes absolutely zero psychological difference in purchasing patterns. The bigger difference is 39.95 versus 44.95.

There will be some bad blog and message board pr because people need to bitch about something – so you institute it on a mega card and then people forget about it.

Zero = nil… not enough to even consider it a factor.

by mmalogic on Aug 26, 2009 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t know man, it’s still a little bit more than a 10% increment in price, so I am not so sure about your claim. But if you tell me that you a re a merchandising expert, I will apologize to you.

by David_ on Aug 26, 2009 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No need to apologize.

As long as the 1st digit doesn’t change in these price ranges the effect on quantity of purchase is nil.

Now obviously this needs to be instituted on a megacard not a eurocard… as long as the change does not occur in a situation where people might be looking for a “reason” not to buy a card the transition will be fine. And even in this case the negative effect on quantity is very short term and negligible.

The bottom line is Zuffa can add 40 mil net-net per year with a stroke of a pen. You could probably buy strikeforce for less than half that… but let’s see how they do and how long they last.

Right now they have very stupid contracts (TV and fighter) that Zuffa wouldn’t want. The only value would be the tape library and position to pressure the 4-10 fighters – Zuffa would want – to sign new contracts.

Regardless showtime will want to remain in the MMA business so we’ll see the best way to kill 2 birds with one stone.

by mmalogic on Aug 26, 2009 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So

the TV deals with ESPN and HBO are in place already? Waiting for Dana to pull the trigger?

by rainmaker6 on Aug 26, 2009 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know one network deal is already done… All that remains is the scheduling and the lineup. i dont know anything else. I am currently in Dubai.

The WEC/ESPN talk has not really started yet… All I know is ESPN wants a weekly show and they want Zuffa to produce it.

by mmalogic on Aug 26, 2009 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

how do you get your info? do you know which network? do you work in the industry?

by naturalist on Aug 26, 2009 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Once again your info is WRONG

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2009/8/26/1003820/dana-white-talks-to-the-oregonian?login=1251344977

Interviewer: That’s got to be a big goal of yours, to get on ABC’s Wild Word of Sports
Dana: It’s funny you say that, but it’s not really that big goal of mine… I could have been on HBO, I could have been on CBS, I could have been on network television… THE DEAL HAS NEVER BEEN RIGHT YET

Logic’s credible info

I know one network deal is already done

Hmm. Should I believe fool-proof evidence that shows an interview YESTERDAY with DANA WHITE explicitly stating that a deal has never been right yet, and he has no desire to make such a deal happen or should I believe you and your Bentley GT Bullshit.

by Sokonojudo on Aug 27, 2009 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol, you sound angry and bitter that I drive a Bentley… dont worry its only a 2004. Ill probably upgrade to the GTC speed in the spring.

by mmalogic on Aug 27, 2009 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would drive a Bentley but since I can fly cars are not really necessary.

I dislike Matt Hughes.

by MonkeyCHops on Aug 27, 2009 1:10 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What the hell do you do? You get mystery information, you travel to Dubai, apparently have a huge income. It almost sounds too good to be true – did you know about Vitor/Franklin too?

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by themachiavellian on Aug 27, 2009 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That actually made me laugh out loud. Rec’d.

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Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken

by Richard Wade on Aug 27, 2009 3:00 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

agreed on most of your points....

I’m thinking too if they can get to round 3 as you call it. PPV is another league.

ad 1 – don’t know really, as I’m not familiar with the situation of WEC

ad 2 – I’m all for it. Get Faber, Brown, Aldo, Gomez, Bowles – I honestly would love to see it.
Huge card with Brock vs someone big, Machida vs say Henderson, St-Pierre vs top guy and 3-rd Faber vs Brown + Bowles vs Gomez rematch. This I believe could break 2 mil in ppv, and if it does – then hell it’s crazy.

ad 3, 4 and 5 – agree

and 6 – delifitely they are unable to keep up and won’t be able to keep up, expecially when Zuffa rises price for ppv, which I suggested long ago. They keep it lower because of the boxing competition, which is another factor here. Usually its absolutely no difference – they should be able to keep the number of sales, as long as they’ll keep lower price for bars and pubs.

the only thing I’m concered now is the situation of Zuffas casino part. I believe they’re seriously in the red, and am worried it might impact UFC. I hope it’s not the case though

Are you familiar with this subject?

by UniversalSoul on Aug 27, 2009 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

interesting stuff

I think they would do better countering a SF PPV with a PPV of their own rather than a free event. People who buy PPV’s can justify buying it even if there is something of equal vaule on for free. They can consider it a bonus or simply buy it cause they are accustome to buying 1 ppv per month. However if the UFC counters with the best PPV event then it will force ppl to actually make a choice. I know i wont buy 2 ppvs but I am likely to buy 1 even if something of comparable value is on free (thanks to DVR).
In short, the UFC should focus on making thier card superior in every way but go ahead and make it a PPV and force me to choose. In the end I hope they DONT do that cause I dont want to have to choose.

by naturalist on Aug 26, 2009 9:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

If Strikeforce does 500k buys then that’s what will happen. With 8million ppv buys per year Zuffa owns the players in the medium. I don’t see anyone touching this venue.

This whole thing is about “talent competition” not “market competition”… Strikeforce and showtime is not taking a single fan away from Zuffa – they are actually adding to it. The threat here is strikeforce making enough money to compete for talent in the long term.

The only game changer is if the Networks come out and say they want 8 to 12 shows per year and their willing to pay 8m per non UFC show.

by mmalogic on Aug 26, 2009 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

is paying 8 million per show by network profitable for the network? Only if they do ppv of course it can be, but would need to sell closer to .5 mil range. But they’d simply buy the show then and run it themselves with their pay structure I believe.

There is another factor here, and the reason while so many fail whilst UFC is growing like crazy – this factor is bald & evil Dana – the man with true passion for the sport, and a plan. He knows this game better then anyone and is working his butt off looking for every little detail to fit.

by UniversalSoul on Aug 27, 2009 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It depends on the advertising.

The NFL gets 1.1 billion a year from ESPN and 650 million a year from NBC, and they both (usually) show 1 game a week.

The UFC isn’t on the level of the NFL, but if the networks can make enough money to pay those amounts to the NFL, they should be able to make enough to pay the UFC enough.

That said, I really don’t know what a network can pull in from advertising a card in MMA. CBS had trouble selling ads for Elite (as evidenced by how many Edor Returns commercials there were on the last card). Is that an MMA problem, a CBS problem, an Elite XC problem, or a little bit of all? Plus the game has changed a lot in the last year. The PPV numbers and ratings everywhere are up, so that could help.

by Phildo on Aug 27, 2009 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

For the foreseeable future SF will not have the depth of talent that the UFC does but Scott coker obviously knows how to hire good talent when it is available. I think you’re statement that SF and showtime are not taking a single fan away is correect but the most significant correlation to that is that the UFC is generating more fans for SF! The UFC has helped make MMA very fan friendly. And as I said b4, if you like MMA you like Strikeforce. I think fans will get the most out of this if SF stays in it’s current status as “would be competitor for PPV $”. Obviously we benefit from the free PPV replays and such. I just hope it never gets to the point of countering a PPV with a PPV. I have a feeling SF will be content to be a successfull proivder of network TV content and maybe an occassional PPV once they get a larger following.

by naturalist on Aug 26, 2009 10:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

the UFC is not generating more fans for strikeforce. The UFC game is creating more “MMA” fans. Fans of the “ART”.

I need more data and by the end of the year Ill know but up until recently more than 90% of the fans showtime was creating became a UFC fan. Less than 10% of UFC fans became “MMA” fans (people who watch other than Zuffa MMA)

That’s why I say its quicksand… because for every 10 fans showtime creates, 9 of them become UFC fans. And Zuffa is way better at monetizing fans than showtime.

So the net result is Zuffa actually making more money per fan created by showtime than showtime.

I am finding the new fans that were created primarily from the game are converting to ’MMA" fans in a much larger percentage (fans who watch more than the UFC) whereas the UFC fans who purchased the game remain loyal.

So I do believe the 90-10 number will change but at most I dont see it changing more than 90-20.

by mmalogic on Aug 26, 2009 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Couple of comments.

1) It really shouldn’t be surprising that new fans through the UFC game are going to be “MMA fans.” People that buy the game without prior UFC/MMA interest are in all likelihood gamers who spend a lot of time on the Internet where they can hear about all sorts of non-UFC MMA content.

2) I don’t really understand this “new fan” idea when it comes to Showtime/Strikeforce. Are there really people out there who have no clue about MMA or the UFC who tune into some random Strikeforce show on Showtime and get hip to it?

3) This all seems to support the idea that competition is good for the UFC.

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by Mike Fagan on Aug 27, 2009 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

competition is real good until it leads to talent competition…

All mma content in north America leads to a UFC ppv buy.

Example: right now showtime is indoctrinating its viewers with MMA. Zuffa Ultimately benefits because Zuffa sits at the end of the funnel. If someone becomes a boxing fan on espn, HBO boxing ultimately benefits.

This is exactly why HBO didnt want to touch MMA unless it was with the UFC. There’s a reason why showtime is #2.

MMA on showtime is like the UFC having content on showtime reaching showtime viewers without having to cover any cost or produce any shows… right now its just another level in Zuffas funnel.

Showtime benefits also but trying to challenge Zuffa while feeding it is like running in quicksand.

by mmalogic on Aug 27, 2009 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pride fights on the fight network got me back into mma and buying UFC fights.

I dislike Matt Hughes.

by MonkeyCHops on Aug 27, 2009 1:06 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and this is really what counter programming is all about… it’s not necessarily to hurt rating but to “cleanse” the viewership and to maintain this equation “90-10”.

as long as this equation is kept in check anyone trying to challenge Zuffa is like attacking a comic book hero that absorbs your attack and just makes the hero stronger.

Im sure when the data is done again the equation will have changed some because market demand is growing faster than Zuffa can supply but this will be rectified back to normal once the growing pains are threw.

by mmalogic on Aug 27, 2009 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I believe he UFC is creating more of an apatite for MMA than it has heretofore been able to satisfy entrely on it’s own. It’s possible that only 10% of NEW UFC fans became MMA fans but I think as that UFC fan matures he or she willbe alot more likely becoma an MMA fan after 2 or 3 years.
In any event, the UFC is creating way more fans so 10% of the UFC fan base is still probably bigger than 90% of new fans generated by showtime.
The main point I’m attempting to make is that as the sport grows there is no reason why there cant be a strong # 2 promotion as long as it is competently run. I dont think # 2 can make a series of successfull PPVs if # 1 fights it but there is plenty of room on TV.

by naturalist on Aug 26, 2009 11:29 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

EXACTLY…

Right now there is more demand than supply… in the past Zuffa has been able to manage this fairly well with limited slippage. Demand has surged faster than Zuffa can grow.

This is a window of opportunity if ever a #2 would emerge it will be in this phase. This window is limited though. Zuffa is already taking action.

Spike is planning to and already airing more UFC content per week than ever. Its rehashed content but should hold the “cravings” over while other things kick into gear.

In the meantime every showtime show is adding to UFC ppv buys and the extra slippage currently taking place from Zuffas funnel will be mitigated by live counter programming against the strikeforce shows that matter (ppv).

by mmalogic on Aug 26, 2009 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Whoop de shit.

Keep firing Assholes!

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by Ubernoober on Aug 27, 2009 2:01 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

You’re probably overly concerned about 500k+ viewers on Showtime. It says nothing about Strikeforce, Gina is a ratings juggernaut and always has been. Her fight did about 900,000 viewers. She’s done better viewership increases on TV than anyone in MMA on free TV ever.

I guess the question is if those viewers stay around for Fedor in November.

by Michael Rome on Aug 27, 2009 2:17 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

This is actually the most logical matchup for StrikeForce right now.

for all intents and purposes, just consider all my posts as works of satire.

by Bandaka on Aug 27, 2009 2:46 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Wow
I recently mentioned that Brock’s next fight would be on network… I must have been high and still in shock that Fedor hasnt signed with Zuffa yet. The plan was 103 on network headlined by Fedor v Brock. Brock v Carwin will be PPV so my bad.

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by Gunslinger20 on Aug 27, 2009 4:45 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Fedor is the best

He doesn’t need to come to anybody, they need to come to him if they want to be the best. That’s the simple thing everyone is overlooking.

“blah blah blah, Fedor dodged this, Fedor fights cans, Fedor needs to go here, go there”

Shut the fuck up already. He’s the champ, it’s not him who needs to join promotions to fight the best in that area. Brock Lesnar’s record is shit compared to Fedor’s record, so why should Fedor come to him?

If Brock wants to prove he’s the best, he goes to Fedor. That only makes sense, and all your excuses to hate him hold no water against this.

by ontite on Aug 27, 2009 6:11 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Fedor is only one fighter. He’s not bigger than the UFC.

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by Richard Wade on Aug 27, 2009 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m just thinking back to Finkie talking about the UFC Deal “We have a champion, they have a champion…”

I guess Fedor’s just not up to fighting the Strikeforce champ. TOO TOUGH.

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by jemaleddin on Aug 27, 2009 10:47 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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