UFC 102 and WEC 43: Bad Economy, Bad Luck, Or Just Bad Planning?
UFC 102 and WEC 43: Blame it On The Economy Or Just Bad Decision Making?
It is pretty easy to finally start blaming the bad economy for the struggles that UC 102 and WEC 43 have been facing, but that is only part of the problem. Lets start to consider some of the decisions made by Zuffa for their upcoming events. First, hosting UFC 102 in Portland via MMAPayout:
A story that’s seemingly flown right under the radar the last couple weeks is the fact that the UFC is having trouble selling tickets for its 102 event to be held at the Rose Garden in Portland, Oregon. The venue holds nearly 20,000 people for an MMA event, but has sold just over 9,000 tickets to date.
It’s surprising news for a number of reasons: Randy Couture is an Oregon boy, MMA is fairly popular in the state, and the UFC has built up a tremendous amount of momentum in recent months. When you look deeper, however, it’s not so surprising at all that UFC 102 is struggling to fill its arena.
The UFC was actually slated to bring their show to Portland back in November of 2008, but it is believed that the organization cancelled those plans and chose Las Vegas instead due to a combination of the poor economy in Oregon and exhoribidant event taxation in Portland.
Adding to the problem is the combination of both the Oregon's State Athletic Commission and the city of Portland each taxing 6% from Zuffa:
Exacerbating the problem even further are the 6% gross receipt taxes levied by both the Oregon State Athletic Commission and the City of Portland for MMA events held in the city – ie., 12%.
The UFC subsequently set ticket levels at $600, $400, $300, $200, $100, and $50 ostensibly to recover some of the bottom line that will be taxed away. This has obviously left some UFC fans quite reluctant to pony up their hard earned cash in a very drab-looking economy.
More after the jump...
How bad is Portlands economy, here is a quote from Oregon Live, titled Oregon's economy heading 'into a pit':
Oregon’s economy, bad as it is, will get even worse over the coming months, threatening double-digit unemployment and early school closures while sucking billions of dollars from the state budget, according to a forecast released Friday.
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According to Potiowsky’s forecast, which is used to set state spending levels, the current state budget will come up short by $855 million. For the 2009-11 budget, the gap between projected revenue and the rising cost of state services grows to $3 billion.
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"The perfect storm is here," Potiowsky said. "And Oregon is feeling the recession stronger than many other states."
Here is what an MMA fan from Oregon had to say about what is currently going on with the UFC 102:
They’ll be lucky to have the Rose Garden here in Portland 3/4 full even if they spend the rest of the week giving away tickets which is the only way they’re going to move them. There is zero ‘buzz’ here in Portland for what should be a huge event. The top story on our local sports radio station today was about the UFC’s inability to sell tickets with local hero Randy Couture headlining. Right now they’ve got 9,000 tickets sold in the 20,000+ seat Rose Garden. Matt Lindland’s local promotion has drawn better crowds than that. They’ve done a shoddy job of promoting the event here–presumably they thought they could just slap ‘UFC’ on the marquee and watch the tickets fly out the box office.
... As far as Moishe’s comment, the Indoor Lacrosse team or the Junior Hockey team here in Portland don’t draw much less than 9000. Our local soccer team draws better than that.
When the clueless mainstream sports media starts to notice that the UFC is having problems selling tickets, there’s a problem. Here in Portland, they’ve got the tickets priced way to high for the market and the card plus they picked a bad weekend to schedule the event (lots of other things going on, including the Oregon State Fair) and they’ve done a horrendous job marketing. Simply stated–there’s no "buzz" here about the event. The only local advertising I’ve seen is a beer display at the convenience store. The UFC will blame the economy, but caller after caller said that it wasn’t the reason–basically everyone said that they’d rather watch it on TV and not pay $200-$400 a ticket, they’d rather watch it in a local bar for a $20 cover or whatever, or that they were doing something else. A surprising number of **MMA fans** didn’t even *know* that they’re having UFC 102 here in Portland. If your core audience doesn’t know about an event, its the fault of the promotion. If I didn’t follow the sport closely, I’d have found out about it two days ago when I went into the local 7-11 for a Big Gulp.
The WEC is facing similar problems, when they decided to host WEC 43 in Youngstown, Ohio. Forbes recently listed Youngstown among the 10 cities "with the longest road to recovery" from the national economic recession.
The latest, released Wednesday on forbes.com, the magazine’s Web site, lists "Youngstown-Warren-Boardman" among the 10 cities "with the longest road to recovery" from the national economic recession.
The list of 10 also includes the New York City area, Detroit and Flint, Mich., and six areas in California including Los Angeles.
"Youngstown and the entire Mahoning Valley is suffering from an economic decline," said Youngstown Mayor Jay Williams. "That’s not news; it’s been going on for 30 years. The recent economic downturn has made it a little tougher. Things are difficult and challenging. We have a long way to go. But we have had plenty of positive press."
Hosting WEC 43 in Youngstown on a week-day wasn't the only problem that the WEC would be facing. Issues between Direct TV and Versus started to be reported, as well as lack of ticket sales from Dave Meltzer, and the same day weigh-ins (which were somehow waived for the UFC but not the WEC?) as reported by Steve Cofield, as was reported on BE:
Dave Meltzer: "No, I don’t either. Plus, it’s September 2nd and September 1st is when at this point they may go off DirecTV so you know that seems to add up and plus the other one is is that there, the show isn’t going to be in Youngstown when they do the remake of the show on October the 10th, so to me that also seems to indicate that they sold no tickets in Youngstown plus the Versus thing, so I’m thinking there’s both of those things, I mean I don’t know what the advance was in Youngstown, no one ever told me. And the fact that no one ever told me, probably means it was poor or wasn’t great, if it was great I would have heard."
Here is what Steve Cofield said on the weigh-in matter:
The Ohio Athletic Commission has done a nice job of hosting some big MMA events in the past, but the news that WEC 43 would be administered under a different set of weigh-in rules was a bit troubling. It also reeked of disorganization. Dann Stupp from MMA Junkie reported:
"Unlike some regulatory bodies, the Ohio commission does two sets of weigh-ins – one on the eve of the show, and one on the day of the event – and fighters (in all weight classes) can't gain more than 13 pounds between the two times."
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The reason listed for the WEC 43 cancellation was an injury to main event fighter Ben Henderson. That's pretty unusual for a Zuffa event to be scrapped on the basis of one fighter going down. Seems like there's more to the story.
So, the WEC has postponed the Event until October 10. Some people may be asking why couldn't the WEC still hold their next event in Youngstown, and it appears that WKR may have found a partial answer.
When the WEC postponed their Youngstown event it left many questions for Ohio MMA fans. First among these was "will WEC 43 still take place in Ohio?"
Unfortunately it seems that the answer to that question is a definitive no.
Yesterday WEC VP Peter Dropic told MMA Fanhouse's Michael David Smith that the Covelli Centre was unavailable on the rescheduled day. WKR checked the Covelli Centre's official website and the new date, of October 10th was free.
So what was event was taking place on October 10th in the Covelli Centre? Vindy.com, Youngstown's official newspaper, talked to the Covelli Centre's executive Eric Ryan:
Further complicating the issue is that the Covelli Centre is already booked for Oct. 10. According to Ryan, there is a motorcycle ice racing event scheduled for that date.
"We're under contract [for the ice racing]," confirmed Ryan, who added he will begin work today in an attempt to move that show to accommodate the WEC.
After everything that the WEC has gone through, could the cherry on the top be that a Morcycle On Ice event prevented them from hosting the show in Ohio or does it just make too much sense that they moved the entire event into a more economic friendly area. After all is said and done, there are still those that question what the WEC PR machine is now saying, which is that everything was and continues to be fine.
Whether this is just bad luck, the economy finally taking some effect on Zuffa, or just bad scheduling and planning prior to the unmatched success of UFC 100 and UFC 101, a few bumps on the road were bound to be hit on the way. Being the UFC has its perks, and the WEC knows too well what happens when a promotion outside of the UFC has a hiccup. Whether fair or not, they will have to answer tons of merge and folding questions in the near future.
Is there any talk at all about folding the WEC into the UFC?
No.
That's definitely not happening?
No, I think the only talk of that was from the media. I'm not sure where that came from, but no.
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Side Note: MMA Payout Has Made Huge Changes...
They now have a comments section on their website, not to mentioned they hired a new writier plus promoted Kelsey Philpott . They are really turning that website around and it looks like Adam Swift has some big things planned for that website.
http://mmapayout.com/2009/08/comments-now-open-on-mmapayout-com/
Robert Joyner has also resigned earlier this week, which created an oppening for David Wolf.
http://mmapayout.com/2009/08/mmapayoutcom-announces-new-staff-writer/
Still biased crap. And if Adam Swift on the UG is the real one, then he isn’t worth the time of day, as the poster on the UG just attacks and insults people. I am hoping they are not the same person.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
Keley Phipott is not biased at all. You should check out the pieces MMAPayout has put out the past 2 weeks.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Aug 26, 2009 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually Kelsey provides thought provoking analysis. He is the complete opposite Joyner
by The Bronzeville Bully on Aug 26, 2009 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions
i dont touch MMAPayout much anymore. used to really enjoy it, but they have been pushing an agenda for quite a while now.
I'm old school hating Lesnar, I've been hating Lesnar since '08
Yea, the poker shit was the last straw for me.
They repeatedly said that fulltilt.net gave you access to play for real money, which is just false. And even after I corrected them on it after the first articles they spouted the same bullshit again the next time they showed up on a UFC broadcast.
And then after Full tilt got dropped by the UFC and started popping up with every other org in the world the story somehow disappeared, no mention that they were wrong, just one article about how mean the UFC was for dropping FT.
The bias is unbelievable.
The event in Philly was a big success, seems to me Portland just isn’t much of a sports town. If you’re a UFC fan and they are holding an event in your town but you would rather watch it on tv you aren’t much of a fan.
And pretty much all that WEC stuff is recycled content that has already been covered in the last two days.
Typical Supremacy post, only writes bad news about Zuffa and only writes good news about every other mma org.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Aug 26, 2009 6:29 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 3 recs
Matt Lindland’s Sportfight draws very well in Oregon.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Aug 26, 2009 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Which is obviously the same...
because prices for the tickets are totally the same
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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 27, 2009 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
That is the point, right there. They don’t need to charge big market prices in small markets.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Aug 27, 2009 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
They’re still making their 2 million from the gate though.
If they sold tickets at Sportfights’ prices they’d sell the place out, and lose money.
Selling the arena is cool, making money is cooler.
Selling out the arena while making money and building your fanbase is cooler.
=)
I will wait to see if the gate is indeed 2 million. If it is, then they did a good job.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Aug 27, 2009 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m going to trust Rome’s numbers. He always seems to know what’s going on with ticket sales.
I’m sure they calculated what they thought was the way to maximize the money coming in, that’s what is important, not selling the arena out. Lowering the ticket prices too much gives off that the card is of lesser quality, which would hurt ticket sales and could make people want to pay less for the ppv.
Expecting them to go all out to sell out the arena is stupid, it doesn’t matter if it’s sold out. They know that the number that matters is the total gate. If they sell half/paper half and make 2 million, it’s better than selling the place out and making less with cheaper prices.
Typical Supremacy post, only writes bad news about Zuffa…
Yup, look what terrible things I said:
Whether this is just bad luck, the economy finally taking some effect on Zuffa, or just bad scheduling and planning after the unmatched success of UFC 100 and UFC 101, a few bumps on the road were bound to be hit on the way.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Aug 26, 2009 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Bad scheduling and planning after 100 and 101 huh? You realize this was scheduled months ago right?
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Aug 26, 2009 6:42 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Of course, didn’t mean the planning was done after the success, but result of the planning came after the success. I can clarify that.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Aug 26, 2009 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Supremacy may be an “astroturfer”, but I’ll give him this, he’s more honest and polite towards the opposition than Logic or the others.
by John Nash on Aug 26, 2009 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
its a “she”… and that answers why supremacy is more polite than usl. Women make for better ambasadors then men and their egos.
Subo was almost as well behaved… I miss him.
LOL @ mmalogic. Are you back now from licking your wounds? He thinks he knows everything, but its sad if you really knew the truth. Just like he thinks I am a “she”, he is wrong yet again.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Aug 27, 2009 1:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Keep trying to kick that football Charlie Brown. Don’t forget to smile.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Aug 27, 2009 1:59 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
This may be my favorite comment on this site.
...Behold, a pale horse. The man that sat upon it was Wieters, and hell followed with him.
"BJ on the BE" - Kierkegaard
loretta???? hehe. :P
nah, i still think you work for HDNet…
by Anton Tabuena on Aug 27, 2009 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Also...
LOL at generalizing women. Sounds like you are one hell of a catch.

by MMASuPreMaCy on Aug 27, 2009 3:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Hmm...
Seemed like a compliment, not a degradation.
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by Blackout612 on Aug 27, 2009 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It’s not the first time hes made the remark.
=)
by MMASuPreMaCy on Aug 27, 2009 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Well
The viewing of this comment is isolated and you criticized his opinion of women.
I STILL poop rainbows.
by Blackout612 on Aug 27, 2009 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Saying Supremacy was a “She” was not a compliment. It was an attempt to brush aside his or her (don’t care which actually) comments by making sure everyone though of MMAsupremacy as a female. As much as we should be above it, many of us would question someone’s opinion in the manly arts of mma if they were of the opposite sex.
Very, very clever.
Well
What you just said was more degradative than anything Logic said about women. Sup didn’t engage him on that, he engaged him on his opinion of women.
I STILL poop rainbows.
by Blackout612 on Aug 27, 2009 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yes, I was merely pointing out that I believe Logic’s motives where not to compliment Sup on being a woman but to make sure every one was aware of the fact. Even if Sup is female, that should have born very little meaning to the debate, but he went out of his to point it out. Why? To make sure that fact colors all of Sup’s arguments. Is it fair? No. It should be of little importance what gender a writer is, but I am sure most will admit that many men will consciously or subconsciously discard a woman’s statements regarding mma.
If I’m wrong, I owe him in apology, but I can get away with it because I’m a woman : )
His explanation of calling me a “she” from a previous post is because according to him, only a woman can piss him off this much. No lie.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Aug 28, 2009 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Sorry
I think you read way more into my comment than you should have. The photo of the woman in the kitchen was pretty specifically suggesting that he has a degrading view of women. His comment doesn’t suggest that. That’s that.
I STILL poop rainbows.
by Blackout612 on Aug 28, 2009 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions
If you’re a UFC fan and they are holding an event in your town but you would rather watch it on tv you aren’t much of a fan.
Or you’re broke as hell like me.
But you wouldn’t rather watch it on tv, if you could go you would, right?
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Aug 26, 2009 9:44 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
We have the same problem, however we also share another problem, in that Zuffa will never hold an event in Fredericksburg =X
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
I need to buy land around here, should be worth some money with how this place is becoming the place to live if you work in NoVa but don’t want to or cannot afford to live there.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
Now is the perfect time to do something like that with the market as low as it is. And btw have you looked under that bridge were Route 1 and Route 17 meet? It’s like a colony of homeless people down there. I used to work at the Vocelli down the road and the first time I saw them walk down the road I swore I thought zombies were coming.
That's bullshit
First off, I’d say that i’m an MMA Fan. Secondly, I don’t think you understand how expensive going to see a live UFC event is.
The only live UFC event i’ve ever even been to was UFC 92 (which was freakin awesome), but I only went because my buddy’s dad is loaded and he paid for us (for a birthday present). We had sicknasty seats in the 4’th row, but apparently it cost over 1 grand for all of us to go.
The point being that i’m a huge MMA fan, but don’t (and can’t) go to every UFC event that comes to Vegas. If i’m buying a PPV, then i’m financially supporting whichever company holds that card (be it UFC, Affliction, Yarrenoka, etc. And that doesn’t make me any less of an MMA fan.
I’ll shell out $20 to go see Tuff-N-Uff, and support the guys at XTC, but for the most part, all the MMA I watch is either on TV or via the interwebs.
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by ElliotMatheny on Aug 27, 2009 3:06 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I’m pretty sure I understand how much it costs to go to a UFC event, I’ve been to two this year and going to another in November. And the money came out of my own pocket, not my friend’s dad’s. And I had to fly to Vegas each time which only adds to the coat. If they actually brought an event to my hometown (which is the point being discussed) I’m pretty sure I could scrape together a couple hundred bucks to buy a ticket. If you love MMA and aren’t living in absolute poverty anyone should be able to save up one or two hundred dollars in a few months time to get a seat.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Aug 27, 2009 8:52 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
That’s just stupid.
I’m sorry. 200 bucks is a lot of money for 1 night. “scraping together” that much money to do anything is stupid. If someone thinks 200 is too much to go to a UFC, that’s their choice, and it’s their money, they don’t have to go, they aren’t less of a fan because they can’t afford it.
Well, if you’re a big enough fan and it’s something you might only get to do once every couple years I don’t think it’s that big of a sacrifice. You mean to tell me someone can spend $50 a month on a PPV but not $100 once every year or two to actually go?
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Aug 27, 2009 9:26 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I don’t spend 50 bucks a month on PPV. I have these things called friends.
You shouldn’t tell anyone else how to spend their money, that’s all.
I don’t care if the fight is in his backyard, it’s up to him if he thinks it’s worth 100 bucks.
I’m not telling anyone how to spend their money but if someone is as big a fan of the UFC as these people who are bitching supposedly are and they aren’t willing to
ante up when the UFC comes to town then don’t cry when they never come back, there are plenty of other cities around the world that will support them.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Aug 27, 2009 11:56 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
And just to clarify, I’m not referring to you, Supremacy, or anyone else here, just the people he quotes in the article.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Aug 27, 2009 11:57 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Dude
you’re being really elitist here I think.
You’re basically saying that ‘if you don’t save up $200’ to buy a UFC ticket you’re not a ‘big’ enough fan.
Which I think is bullshit.
by rainmaker6 on Aug 28, 2009 2:37 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
No I’m not, I’m just saying it’s not like it’s $5,000 a ticket or something, it’s an amount of money that most people could save up within a few weeks time if they wanted to. If you don’t want to spend it on a ticket then that’s fine, but don’t bitch about them making the ticket prices too high when places like Dallas and Philly have no problem selling them and also don’t bitch when they never come back to your city.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
or countries..
*coughPhilippinescough *
by Anton Tabuena on Aug 27, 2009 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s why I said around the world. They do have cities in the Phillipines right? :)
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Aug 27, 2009 2:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Let me explain something to you
I’m not a ‘UFC’ fan. I love some of the events they’ve put on and have planned, and am a fan of many fighters currently under UFC contracts. I’ll watch any free event they have, and if my friends are buying a card, then i’ll go and pitch a couple bucks. Conversely, if they put together a stinker, I likely won’t buy it, and will just read up on the event and watch the good fights on the internet.
But i’m a college kid, and don’t have the money to waste. All the money I make working over the summer and during the school year with work study goes towards school.
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by ElliotMatheny on Aug 27, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Whatever you say man, seems to me like you want to argue just to argue. You aren’t a UFC fan, you just like UFC fighters huh, if you say so.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
I say i'm not a UFC fan
because I don’t necessarily agree with the way they do business. I like the fighters, but I don’t classify them as “UFC fighters.” And honestly, seems to me like you just want to act like anyone who disagrees with you is dumb, just to be a flagrant asshole.
It’s just a matter of terminology, and it seems like you’re the one splitting hairs here. I think your signature probably sums it up best
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by ElliotMatheny on Aug 28, 2009 2:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Being a fan isn’t a state-license. I don’t say I’m not a fan of Everybody Loves Raymond, but I like the actors and the portrayals of their characters. This leaning is increasingly arbitrary. Maybe you can treat it as though you are renewing/applying for your fandom license and reevaluate these business practices you are supposedly so vehemently against.
I STILL poop rainbows.
Also
“The UFC subsequently set ticket levels at $600, $400, $300, $200, $100, and $50 ostensibly to recover some of the bottom line that will be taxed away. This has obviously left some UFC fans quite reluctant to pony up their hard earned cash in a very drab-looking economy.”
Whoever wrote this is a moron, that is the regular ticket price for all UFC events and actually cheaper than most Vegas cards. Take a look at the prices for 101 or 103.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Aug 26, 2009 6:32 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Yes, but the point is that you can’t charge that price going into a city where the economy has taken a big hit.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Aug 26, 2009 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions
The economy has taken a hit everywhere, what makes Portland worse than Philly or Dallas?
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Aug 26, 2009 6:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The fact that portland has been worse hit than dallas or philly.
by Michaelthebox on Aug 26, 2009 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Oregon’s Economy Heading ‘Into a Pit’
http://www.oregonlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2009/02/state_short_855_million_this_y.html
Portland’s Unemployment Rate Jump Leads Nation’s Metro Areas
http://www.kgw.com/news-local/stories/kgw_063009_unemployment_portland.21304f65.html
by MMASuPreMaCy on Aug 26, 2009 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions
You can argue degrees of badness, the fact is the economy is in the shitter everywhere and the UFC is still setting records left and right.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Aug 26, 2009 7:09 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
This is what what people in Oregon are saying:
I’m interesred in seeing what Couture and Nog bring to the table in the twilight of their careers. The Marquardt and Maia fight looks interesting too.
That being said, it’s not worth paying $200 for shitty seats!
Yep, I heard about this. Ticket sales are pretty expensive, they are Las Vegas expensive and you cant expect to get away with that in other cities.
We DO want to support Couture, Leben and Ed Herman. But overall, the card is less than spectacular and VERY overpriced. You’re right though, why pay an arm and a leg to get shit seats when you can sit at home with a good view, a bunch of friends and beers that AREN’T $8 bucks.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Aug 26, 2009 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I bet you could find just as many people in Minneapolis or Atlanta last year or Dallas or Philly this year saying the same types of things. Like I said, if you’re a UFC fan and they bring a show to your hometown and you’d rather watch it at home you aren’t much of a fan.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Aug 26, 2009 8:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
What exactly
is a ‘UFC’ fan? Someone who exclusively watches UFC fights?
Because anyone who is more than a casual fan (and IMO if you’re on message boards, discussing MMA, that pretty much qualifies you as a hardcore fan) generally watches more than just UFC. Strikeforce, Bellator, and Japanese MMA are all readily available through digital TV and the internet, and if all you’re watching is UFC, then I feel bad for you. Because you’re missing out on some great fights.
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by ElliotMatheny on Aug 27, 2009 3:16 AM EDT up reply actions
He’s saying “UFC” fan, because we are talking about a UFC show, UFC prices, and UFC fighters.
Why are you picking at that rather than addressing the point? Does it bother you that much to forego the entire debate and just go for “What is a UFC fan”?
"You guys are jerking eachother off with some pseudo deep bullshit." - Kid Nate
by Kaleb Kelchner on Aug 27, 2009 4:37 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well
I decided to argue that point, because the other part of the argument is asenine. Obviously a place that’s been hit harder by unemployment, and a poor economy won’t have as many people willing to shell out hundreds of dollars a pop.
But what I am saying is that it’s retarded to think that you’re not a true MMA/ UFC fan just because you choose not to go to a live show. Not everyone is made of money, and making blanket, ignorant statements to the contrary is sheer dumbassery.
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by ElliotMatheny on Aug 28, 2009 2:15 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t really understand the point of your comment, it has absolutely
nothing to do with the topic at hand. I never said anything about watching only ufc but I’m pretty sure if you go to a ufc fight (which is what we are talking about) that’s all you’re gonna see.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Aug 27, 2009 8:43 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Well
Pick your fight… Is the UFC not good at promoting (=your Sportfight comments)? Or is the economy to blame?
I think it was a questionable market to pursue, at least ahead of other untested grounds or returning to proven venues. It’s not entirely a reflection of the economy or the UFC, in my opinion.
I STILL poop rainbows.
Actually, if you read the article, I pretty much come to the conclusion that bad luck, bad planning, and the bad economy all had a part in this.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Aug 26, 2009 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions
From what I have heard, it seems like the UFC is going to give a ton of tickets away for this event.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Aug 26, 2009 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions
We'll see
It also isn’t often (like, never) that you can walk up to the gate for a UFC event, so I’ll wait to see some figures.
I STILL poop rainbows.
Took you a while to spin this up Charlie Brown, I was afraid something had happened to you since this is pretty old news.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
Are you the president of the Peanuts fan club or something?
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by MMASuPreMaCy on Aug 26, 2009 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions
As “bad” as it is, the gate is still 1.8 million with 10,000 sold as of today. It will be 2 million come fight time. 2 million is the normal success barometer outside of Vegas. With the exception of Montreal, most shows outside of Vegas do in that range. 96 in Ohio did 1.8 million, 87 with GSP-Fitch and Brock did 2.2 million. This will probably be about what they do in LA too, the only difference is the stadium here is much bigger so it comes off worse. They overpriced tickets. In the end the gate is still very healthy.
by Michael Rome on Aug 26, 2009 8:55 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
This is very true, outside of Vegas and Montreal, it is tough to sell out a place. I believe they usually comp about 3K tickets on average for an event outside of those two hot spots.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Aug 26, 2009 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I honestly don't get it
You write an article about the bad economy is and maybe that the UFC promoted it incorrectly and charged way too much for the tickets. The whole point is to infer that the event may not be a success from a live gate/attendance point of view, whether you say it or not. Then, someone refutes what the point of your article was, you say “yup, you’re right”. So, what the hell was the point of what you write in the first place, if you already know what you’re inferring is wrong?
And how is 10k tickets at their normal prices as of today some sort of failure? The barometer for success should be the live gate, as Rome pointed out, not whether the UFC has sold 10k tickets, whether the venue seats 20k, 30k or 50k, I’m not familiar with Portland, but are there that many other options that have the facilities to host a UFC? Probably not!
Because I agreed with some of the points he made, like the barometer outside of Vegas. But, I believe they should adjust ticket prices according to the market they are heading into, sell out the arena, then buidl a fanbase instead of alianating fans who find their current prices to bee too steep.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Aug 27, 2009 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
So, is your position is that they should price the tickets for a sellout, regardless of what that may do to the gate? You don’t think they’ve done market research before hand? If 2 million is some sort of magic UFC gate number, I’m pretty sure they’ve priced the tickets to get at least that. Maybe the couldn’t price the tickets low enough to get a sellout and still pull a good gate. Is it not reasonable to think that they expected to sell 10-15k tickets, base on results in similar cities? Not to mention, did anyone expect them to fill a 20k stadium in Portland? This isn’t Montreal, where you literally get people from coast to coast (Canada’s kinda large I hear) attending the event.
Forgive me if I don’t put much credence in some random Zuffa hater who’s criticizing their marketing strategy with such hard hitting source material like some random sports guy’s blog from Portland. Give some proof that you know what you’re talking about when it comes to marketing and maybe I’ll give a shit about what you have to say.
by LiuLang on Aug 27, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You don’t think Zuffa had the event in Portland because they were planning/hoping to sell out? Isn’t that the goal of every event?
And your theory about Montreal/Canada is laughable. You really think people would fly 3000 miles from Vancouver to Montreal when they can fly 1500 to Vegas? Canada’s not one big province. Montreal’s a huge MMA city that sold out the Bell Centre for TKO events. They drew a huge crowd based on how rabid the fans are there, and in large population bases close to them. The fact that Montreal’s in Canada actually has little to do with it.
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They were probably trying to sell it out, they thought they could do well in Randy’s home town.
BUT, not selling out and making 2 million is better than selling out and not making 2 million. Selling out is not the goal. Making money is the goal.
Making 2 mil AND selling it out would get more eyeballs on how cool the live event is right? I think that’s the rationale behind lower ticket prices in the smaller market.
But you’re right in the fact that keeping ticket prices the same almost guarantees the 2 mil. If it’s still only 10k fans at lower prices, they lose out.
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They can always paper it to get the stadium full. I’m sure they can do some math to figure out what to price tickets to maximize the gate.
it’s ridiculous to look at a 2 milliion gate as a failure. If they sold 1 ticket for 2 million dollars and papered the rest of the arena or just had the show for 1 guy it would be a success. Trying to paint this as a failure is just anti-zuffa fanboyism.
by Phildo on Aug 27, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Really? They haven’t done below 2.1 mil in a non-international PPV event since UFC 76 (1.985). They might not even break that here. That’s close to 2 years ago, and the sport has increased mightily in popularity since then. Trying to paint this as a success is harder than trying to paint it as a failure.
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I don’t know if you live in Canada or not, but I do. The fact that the two shows sold out as fast as they did at a huge venue has EVERYTHING to do with the fact that there’s only one show a year in Canada. Coming from someone that lives on the east coast and rarely gets any big shows for anything, when something big is happening in Montreal or Toronto, I ALWAYS know people who go to it.
Do you think someone in Nevada is going to make the trip to Portland to see the UFC or are they going to wait for the show they know is going to be closer? That’s why there’s such huge demand here vs. a show in Portland. I don’t know if you missed my point or not. But if you didn’t, give your head a shake.
Also, it’s generally cheaper to fly from Vancouver to Montreal, than it is to Vegas. Doing a search for the middle of next month shows it’s $200 cheaper. And the need for a passport, additional medical insurance. Not to mention, exchange rates suck.
Yes, I live in Canada. You flying 2 hours west is not the same as us flying 5 hours east. If it has everything to do with only running one show a year in Canada, explain TKO selling out the Bell Centre too. You live in an isolated place, UFC-wise that’s why you have that mentality. There aren’t any shows in the NE (or wasn’t, till Philly anyway). It has more to do with local geography than Canada itself.
I call bullshit on your flight search, because it’s NEVER cheaper to fly to Montreal than it is to Vegas from Vancouver. I live here. I just looked at the middle of the next month too, and it’s cheaper to fly to Vegas. Always. And Calgary to Vegas. And Edmonton. And you get the point. Please tell me where you found a Vancouver-Montreal flight for under 350, because I like Montreal and will head out there for a weekend for that kind of steal.
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Yes, I forgot that the population of Canada lives in Vancouver, Toronto and Montreal. My bad. Call bullshit all you want, Montreal was $196 and LV was nearly $400, Air Canada.
The reason why TKO sold out is the same reason why the UFC does. There’s a dearth of quality MMA events here, which leaves people with almost no options. As opposed, to say, the US! Which seems to have quite a few of regional promotions kicking around. Name any promotion east of Toronto that runs shows on a regular basis without Googling it. Good luck.
Montreal is 196 pre-tax, 398 after. Gotta keep clicking. Nice try though.
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If there is a 103% tax markup, then I think there might be more important things to worry about other than airline ticket prices…
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by iiowyn on Aug 28, 2009 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
wow, i was thinking 10k tix were bad..
but 1.8-2mil? damn, that’s still pretty good.. and PPV buys are still gonna good i think..
by Anton Tabuena on Aug 26, 2009 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions
There’s a huge incentive not to buy now because UFC will have to paper the event a bit, anyone who pays 600 now is an idiot.
LA Tickets
This is abit ridiculous though!

by MMASuPreMaCy on Aug 26, 2009 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s pretty much standard. Yes UFC tickets are expensive, if you don’t like it don’t go, they’ll be just fine.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Aug 26, 2009 9:35 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Agreed, but you can’t go to a small market city and expect to charge those kind of prices. It is a tough call, no doubt.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Aug 26, 2009 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t know, it’s a tough balancing act for sure, at least it gives them an idea of what to do in similar markets going forward.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Aug 26, 2009 9:46 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Aniother factor nobody is mentioning is the absurd cost of flying into Portland. A lot of time the UFC gets 3,000+ fans coming in from all over the country. Not happening here.
A friend had an extra ticket for me, so I looked into it today, and roundtrip from SFO to Portland, which is a short flight, was between 360 and 450 dollars. A flight to LA, which is similar in distance, costs about 130 dollars this weekend. Portland is notoriously expensive to fly into and it’s limiting this to locals only.
by Michael Rome on Aug 26, 2009 8:58 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Plus, you usually fly into a big city to site see and have some fun afterwards.
Not too many people would be willing to fly into Oregon.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Aug 26, 2009 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions
No Michael, that has nothing to do with it, Portland has a 40% unemployment rate and nobody there even knows they’re coming due to the UFC’s total inability to market their product. Seriously, I mean there are even MMA fans who live there that are complaining, that’s how bad it is.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Aug 26, 2009 9:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
why does it have nothing to do with it?
you said the locals can’t buy cause of the unemployment rate.. Michael says the air fares limit the outsiders.. Both are factors i think..
And why do you always have free tickets Rome? can i have one when i go to SFO this december? haha :)
by Anton Tabuena on Aug 26, 2009 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions
wait really?
i didn’t read much of their arguments above. haha.
by Anton Tabuena on Aug 26, 2009 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Weo, whats up man, your sarcasmeter is busted.
"You guys are jerking eachother off with some pseudo deep bullshit." - Kid Nate
by Kaleb Kelchner on Aug 27, 2009 4:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Does reading from Michael Rome's comments excuse me?
or does that still mean it’s still broken? hahaha.
by Anton Tabuena on Aug 27, 2009 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2009/8/26/1003141/ufc-101-buyrate-likely-to-exceed-1
Economy not hurting them too much.
Yup
That is in my post if you read it.
=)
by MMASuPreMaCy on Aug 26, 2009 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I read the whole thing, I’m just pointing it out again. There was a lot on one side, but it’s obviously not that big of a deal when looking at everything overall. They won’t have a problem in LA either. I’m up in Seattle, and couldn’t make it down there this weekend, which I am pissed about… Though it is tempting to try and see what walk up tickets might be.
by MMAWrestling on Aug 26, 2009 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Hidden and never talked about. Quit claiming crap like this.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Aug 26, 2009 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Maybe because it was a supporting statement and not the focus of the post, perhaps?
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by MMASuPreMaCy on Aug 27, 2009 3:13 AM EDT up reply actions
It wasn’t supporting shit, and the focus of your post is to make the UFC seem stupid. Evidence of their success is in there just so you can say “hey, I talked about how they are good as well!”
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Aug 27, 2009 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The Sup hate here is too funny. If Rome wrote this article, there wouldn’t be any sort of rabid denial like ufc4 and others are showing here. Why can’t you guys just absorb the info and stop trying to shoot the messenger? He’s not even really opining in this piece.
http://www.fourouncestofreedom.com
Because Michael’s articles aren’t always clearly biased.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Aug 26, 2009 9:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
If this was clearly biased, Blackout would have taken him to town by now. That’s your barometer. This isn’t that bad.
http://www.fourouncestofreedom.com
Supremacy has the most transparent and biased agenda of anyone on this website, save maybe mmalogic. At least logic is honest about it.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
Thank you. Strikeforce gets 500,000 viewers and it’s the greatest thing ever, UFC pulls a live gate of almost $2 million and it’s a disappointment because of their poor planning.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
so what?
What he says is true. And it’s good to have different perspectives. Maybe Supremacy has an agenda, maybe he just does it for kicks to get reactions. Either way I have no problem with what he posts.
by rainmaker6 on Aug 27, 2009 1:25 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That’s fine if you have no problem with it, but it annoys me and a lot of others here so I’m gonna say something about it. Go back through all his posts and find me one with any negative news about an organization other than the UFC. Go ahead and look, there are none. Now look at his posts about the UFC, 90% of it is bad news thar casts them in a negative light. If there is bad news to report that’s fine, but that’s ALL he chooses to talk about with the UFC while he pretends that Strikeforce, Affliction, Bellator, and any Japanese organization can do no wrong which is ridiculous. I just want him to be fair and honest about everything so when he isn’t I’m gonna call him out.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Aug 27, 2009 8:39 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
It is what he chooses to use and what he chooses not to use. He waxes over optimistically about anything non Zuffa related and then turns around and writes crap like this, where he digs up anything and everything even remotely negative about anything Zuffa related.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
Wut?
Dude, people need to read threads. These types of comments are totally arbitrary.
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What is the deal with the overuse of the word “ostensibly” on the site this week…..
did someone learn a new word??
by davidhamilton83 on Aug 26, 2009 9:48 PM EDT reply actions
Ostensibly
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Aug 26, 2009 9:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
yeah….. thats the word
good boy…. here is a Brock Lesnar style Coors Light for you
by davidhamilton83 on Aug 26, 2009 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I would like to apologize for my actions on that last post…..
here…. have a Bud Light
by davidhamilton83 on Aug 26, 2009 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions
HA
Why was I 0% suprised when I saw who the author of this article was?
by GoldenOldie on Aug 26, 2009 9:52 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
This is pretty much the most blatant of his negative UFC posts. I actually like his ones about non Zuffa promotions, there is good info in those if you take off the rose colored glasses, but this one is essentially taking every negative thing he can find about Zuffa and putting it into one post.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
I don’t see any hatred, other than Supremacy’s hatred of Zuffa.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Aug 26, 2009 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Get serious
You and iiowyn hate Supremacy more than Subo hated bad grammar.
BOOSH
by Farthammer on Aug 27, 2009 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I hate people who pretend to be something they are not. I hate people who pretend to have no bias when it is obvious they do, and try to insult the intelligence of people reading what they write. I don’t hate supremacy, but I will call him on his agenda and spin.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Aug 27, 2009 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Duly noted
As it was duly noted in every single other post he has made. We get it; you hate his fanposts. You “call him” on every fanpost. Don’t read them if it gets you so worked up.
BOOSH
I call him on the shit he writes. The stuff on non Zuffa things is fine, overly optimistic but good information still. This is just a spinned hitjob.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Aug 27, 2009 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed, I don’t hate the guy at all, I actually find him quite pleasant, but I don’t like the way he writes multiple articles every week that amount to nothing more than “Zuffa=bad, everyone else=good” when Zuffa has done more for the sport than every other MMA organization combined in the last ten years.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Aug 27, 2009 2:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Wha?
Am I missing some comments? Lot of harping on this point.. Some shit must have been deleted.
I STILL poop rainbows.
Nothing has been deleted that I’m aware of.
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by Richard Wade on Aug 27, 2009 3:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Nope. Just the typical he said she said drama in one of my posts.
=)
by MMASuPreMaCy on Aug 27, 2009 3:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
It’s just unusual to me that people spend so much energy arguing about how hard a side is taking it. Especially when the likes of you and me are able to just stick to the argument all the while.
I STILL poop rainbows.
by Blackout612 on Aug 27, 2009 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
For me, it’s not about defending Sup as much as people missing the point. Some people don’t even try to argue the ideas in the post anymore, they show up and write stuff like “Typical Supremacy post, only writes bad news about Zuffa and only writes good news about every other mma org.” Who cares? Why is the differing viewpoint so hard to swallow?
If his points are incorrect (as Rome pointed out), okay. If you don’t like Sup, okay. But whining every time he posts is getting old. And I’m not referring to you here Blackout, because you at least argue the points. As I stated originally, if he was opining that much in this post, you would have torn him apart already. It’s just the whining that bothers me.
/rant
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by Tim Burke on Aug 27, 2009 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
"Typical Supremacy post, only writes bad news about Zuffa and only writes good news about every other mma org." Who cares? Why is the differing viewpoint so hard to swallow?
When that viewpoint is claiming to love all MMA and is obvious they have an agenda other than just being a fan of all MMA. I hate people who pretend to be something they are not. I value being honest and open, and am utterly sick of deceivers. The fact this became a recommended fanpost irritates the crap out of me. Supremacy has gotten BE shit on by other people due to erroneous information in his posts before. That makes me angry. I love this place.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
And you say it over…and over…and over again. We get it. Luke and the rest of BE don’t need you to defend their integrity. If they were that worried about it, they’d politely ask him to take his “agenda” elsewhere. They haven’t. You no like, you no read. It’s rec’d because OTHER PEOPLE LIKE THE STUFF HE WRITES. Deal with it.
http://www.fourouncestofreedom.com
If it is worth saying, it is worth saying again. But I realize I am trying to educate the internet and that is very futile. As for Luke and BE, these posts get people talking and the website hits, which is good for BE. Controversy is good in that way.
However, one of the reasons I am a fan of Luke Thomas is that he makes damn sure people know where he is coming from when he speaks. Meanwhile supremacy does the exact opposite.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
And if you don’t like what me or iiowyn say then don’t read our comments. If he is going to keep posting blatantly biased articles pretending to come from a neutral point of view then i’m gonna keep calling him out because a) I don’t like it and b) I want any new visitors to the site to know they need to take anything Supremacy says with a grain of salt.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Aug 27, 2009 5:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Fair enough
But be targeted, don’t just add your two cents as a stand-alone reply about how “everyone is jumping on him”. That sort of thing seems to make things worse.
I STILL poop rainbows.
They should
have come to Seattle…Key Arena is a smaller venue (17,500) in a bigger market. Seattle’s economy is strong (at least in relation to everywhere else). I should also note that Randy is from Everett, WA and got his start in the North Seattle area. Chris Leben also spent a couple of years with Matt Hume in the area.
Plenty of local ties+great sized venue+13th largest metro market=Better than Portland
Plus some asshole stole our NBA team and alot of people are desperate for sports during August (baseball slows down and no football).
by B Money on Aug 26, 2009 11:26 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
REC'D
… but I’m from Seattle, so I’m biased.
by MMAWrestling on Aug 26, 2009 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Are we allowed to bash Bennett? Please say yes!
by MMAWrestling on Aug 27, 2009 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Well so much for Portland being in the UFC’s radar again, like others have said if your talking about preferring to see the UFC on tv than live when it’s in your are simply put you don’t deserve to have a show ever again. There are plenty of places that would love to have a high priced UFC show in their area the fact that several people there don’t seem to realise how fortunate they are so screw them and bring the UFC to places who want it.
My pops
is having surgery and staying with me, or else I’d road trip the 2:30 to PDX in a heartbeat (from North Seattle). I just bought concert tickets for $45 a piece not to long ago for crappy seats. These prices are not that bad.
The Seahawks manage to sell out (65,000 seats) every game, and their prices are as bad as UFC102.
yup. they sold almost all of the tickets (except the $600 floor seats) a month before the Phillys show, and they were welcomed here well by the local media. I know for myself and the people i went with to the local show, the money was an issue, but we felt it was worth it since we didn’t think they would come back to Philly any time soon.
maybe the whole situation can be seen in the quote you pulled from an MMA fan from Oregon who said “plus they picked a bad weekend to schedule the event (lots of other things going on, including the Oregon State Fair”. I did have to laug when i read that, maybe like in Oregon is different then life in Philly, but that was a funny statement
Yeah, I heard there is also an open-mic night at a local coffee house that evening and a Rick Astley concert.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
and in our (Pac. NW) defense
State Fair’s own.
Carnies, rip off games, everything smells like horse crap…okay maybe you’re right. It must be genetic.
actually
there is a lot of stuff going on, including the oregon airshow, which can draw up to 100,000 people.
by brioe162 on Aug 27, 2009 8:38 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Not sure about in Oregon but the air show here ends at 5 so that would still leave time to go to the fights.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Aug 27, 2009 5:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Good post
I was wondering what was up with the WEC. Still some unanswered questions, but it seems like the answer is almost always pretty much the economy.
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I say it is a little bit of all 3. Bad economy, bad luck, and bad planning.
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by MMASuPreMaCy on Aug 27, 2009 3:30 AM EDT up reply actions
It really is a shame...
I really want to go to this, however, I have been searching for a job for several months now, and I still haven’t found one yet. The local economy here really is horrible at the moment.
Not to mention that the only place I have heard about UFC 102 has been on the radio, on one station. On the local news stations I have only seen one story about the UFC being here. It’s not as if this isn’t a good place to have sporting events, Portland Trail Blazers games are incredibly hard to find tickets for these days, UofO football tickets sell out very quickly, same with OSU.
Right now is just a horrible time for the area. I wish I could go, and I now fear that I may have travel to a different city to ever be able to see a UFC event, because I fear the poor ticket sales will prevent the UFC from ever returning here.
by brioe162 on Aug 27, 2009 8:45 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I would have preferred one of your “Strikeforce and M1 Global presents : Greatest HW bout in MMA history.” True #1 and #2 fighters to meet in greatest matchup that the UFC couldn’t do.
Welcome back, I get worried about you. Entertaining as always!
Stay tuned, that ones coming tomorrow.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Aug 27, 2009 11:59 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I thought it was kind of strange that these locations were picked in the first place. Nothing against Portland, a great city, but I can think of many better locations (DENVER) for selling tickets. Of course, the UFC could probably have 1 person show up and still make a lot of money on this card. IMO, the best fight on the card (Marquardt/Maia) is somewhat buried and overlooked. Make it the co-main or second fight on the card and put it somewhere it would help the draw (DENVER).
The WEC choice is very strange to me. Your headliner is Cerrone, so put it somewhere he would be a big draw (DENVER). The WEC could probably make a big splash somewhere that their main draw on the card is very popular (DENVER).
OK, enough begging from me, lol.
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Check it out!!
I get the feelling you want an event to come to Denver.
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by MMASuPreMaCy on Aug 27, 2009 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions
The only thing about Denver
is the whole altitude issue. Last time they had a card in Denver, I remember alot of the fighters having cardio problems, gassing and whatnot.
The problem with that is adjusting to the altitude, and the only way to acclimate yourself is to arrive at the place you’re fighting, and bring your whole camp with you. Which can be EXPENSIVE.
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by ElliotMatheny on Aug 28, 2009 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions
don’t think bad planning has much to do with that. When they do an event for the first time in the area they don’t know what will happen – if you make 2-3 events a month than really, here and there you’ll have a bit worse ticket sales and this and that. The more important than ticket thing is ppv sales – and bad situation in oregon won’t impact it. Good thing for UFC is they a/ don’t rely on one event b/ their event doesn’t rely on ticket sales.
So I’m not worried
by UniversalSoul on Aug 27, 2009 4:35 PM EDT reply actions
While the $1.92 million gate tops several recent European events as well as U.S.-based UFC Fight Night events, the gate total was the organization’s smallest reported U.S.-based pay-per-view event figure since March’s “UFC 96: Jackson vs. Jardine” event netted only $1.8 million.
White said he was disappointed the event didn’t break the venue’s gate record – a mark the company is used to shattering when it visits a new locale – and the UFC exec blames his company’s pricing structure for the shortfall.
“I’ve got this thing priced, ticket-wise, for the same price I’ve got L.A. priced for. [Expletive] stupid. We messed up here. I’m a little bummed out about that.”

























