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The Contrasting Careers of Randy Couture and Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira

Randy-couture-career_mediumJake Rossen explains:

Forty-six years old, Couture has outlasted most of his contemporaries and many of the men who followed after him. In 1997, Mark Kerr was king of the world. He’s now a regional attraction with the physique of a melted candle; Maurice Smith is gone. Ken Shamrock, run out of town. Chuck Liddell debuted, surged, became the most famous man in MMA, and then wilted, all during Couture’s tenure. And somehow, Couture remains a formidable headlining attraction, based in part on his skill and the seeming improbability he should be walking upright at his age, much less fighting.

Aged 39: Fans fearing for his life, he TKOs Liddell to claim the UFC’s light heavyweight title.

Aged 43: Chops down Tim Sylvia over five rounds.

Aged 44: Hands bigger, stronger, younger Gabriel Gonzaga his ass on a garnished platter.

Aged 45: Keeps a competitive pace with anthropomorphic Brock Lesnar.

He is not the oldest competitive athlete of note -- hockey player Gordie Howe and pitcher Satchel Paige shared similar what-is-this-old-man-doing appeal in their late 40s and beyond -- but he is the oldest in a sport as dynamic and unforgiving as mixed martial arts. Howe and Paige did not have to concern themselves with a 280-pound man taking them down and making them leak fluid from their eyes and nose.

This is the cherry on top of Couture’s career arc: He’s not only durable, but durable in a sport where slowed reflexes and heaving cardio can earn you assisted living.

Casual fans have expressed to me an unwillingness to see Couture and Nogueira fight for reasons that both fighters, while first ballot Hall of Famers, are simply in partially decrepit, sub-par physical versions of themselves. In their eyes the fight is meaningful but likely to be predictably low on dynamism or aggression-fueled rivalry.

But Couture and Nogueira are actually two different kinds of athletes whose careers tell two entirely different stories. Couture is still riding the momentum of a third career metamorphosis while Nogueira is hanging on to a partially aged skill set and battered body that is flirting with trouble every time he competes in the UFC. Both Couture and Nogueira profess a desire to keep going with their careers but Couture appears to be the only one driven by the prospect of competition. Nogueira has the capacity to win on Saturday night, but that subtle distinction between reaching for new heights and clinging to old ones speaks volumes about both fighters' histories as well as their futures.

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didn't want to do a fan post to ask, but...

i host UFC parties with a steady 16 people over every time… i’ve got hardcores to people who just like the company and pizza. i think i’m going to struggle to get 6 people there this time. it doesnt seem like this card has very high appeal. anyone else seeing this?

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by MicahW on Aug 24, 2009 10:22 AM EDT reply actions  

It doesn’t have a lot of appeal. People can stand around saying that Nogueira and Couture is a great fight, but people already had perceptions about it when it was announced. Maia/Marquardt is the most intriguing fight on the card to me, but the rest of the card is mainly divisional match-ups that have only some meaning or none at all.

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by Leland Roling on Aug 24, 2009 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

i wonder if a part of it is the lack of couture on UFC: Undisputed. alot of the new fans know only who is on the game. but lesnar v couture pushed 1 mil buys. could that have been on the back of lesnar getting a title shot, and almost completely devoid of any buys based on a couture title defense? i’m starting to question the strength of couture’s draw when current buy rates are 650k +

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by MicahW on Aug 24, 2009 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think that’s a problem at all. The problem is that casual fans will see Couture is way old and Nogueira as washed-up. That’s the simple reasoning behind it. Hardcore fans don’t necessarily think that, but they have a notion about it.

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by Leland Roling on Aug 24, 2009 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

This is classic text book definition of the beauty of this sport

Cards don’t always have to have names to appeal.. As long as it draw’s some form of interest, it’s up to the fighters how the card plays out..

I remember UFC 91 (not that great of a card in retrospect outside the Couture/Lesnar fight) and it turned into one of the best cards of all time.. They showed all 9 fights on the telecast and every fight was entertaining IMO…

by MMAuthority on Aug 24, 2009 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, UFC 91 is always a possibility with any event… and this event has that sort of feeling about it. Sure, it looks kind of bad on paper, but there could be insane finishes down the entire card… and it could end up being epic.

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by Leland Roling on Aug 24, 2009 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think like 20 people are showing up at my place for this one, the reason? Maia/Marquardt. People don’t care about the Silva/Jardine fight at all, there is some interest in Couture/Nog but only to see if Nog is done for (not for any reason relating to Randy).

I’m relatively interested in the card, I’m crazy about the Marquardt/Maia fight, I’d like to see how inflated Leben can get Rosholts head before it explodes into a bloody mess, I’m interested in seeing if Soz can grind out Vera.

It’s not the best card, not a lot of hype or extra appeal, but it’s worth throwing down some cash, splitting it with some friends and enjoying some fights.

The mat is my church, the ground is my heaven, Jiu-Jitsu is my religion. And once you hit the ground you're in my world. My world is like the ocean, I’m like a shark and most people don't even know how to swim - Draculino

by Patrick Tenney on Aug 24, 2009 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed on Silva/Jardine.

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by Leland Roling on Aug 24, 2009 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree this card is not the most impressive in recent years, but I am excited at the thought of Krzystof attempting a Kimura on Vera and breaking off one of his lanky arms. The night would be amazing if both Coture and Minatauro showed they still had some gas in their tanks and Jardine got KTFO.

by WeaponElDeem on Aug 24, 2009 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

I am excited at the thought of Krzystof attempting a Kimura on Vera and breaking off one of his lanky arms.

Get used to disappointment.

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by Brett Jones on Aug 24, 2009 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but everybody can dream.

by WeaponElDeem on Aug 24, 2009 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

LOL

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by Leland Roling on Aug 24, 2009 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

That kind of Kimura isn’t going to work on Vera, if anything I see the match going down on the feet and being either A) A slugfest (awesome) or B) A snooze fest of clinch pummeling (not awesome).

They’ll cage hump or bang it out, don’t take that the wrong way.

The mat is my church, the ground is my heaven, Jiu-Jitsu is my religion. And once you hit the ground you're in my world. My world is like the ocean, I’m like a shark and most people don't even know how to swim - Draculino

by Patrick Tenney on Aug 24, 2009 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I don’t really see this card appealing to anybody that has not watched beyond 100…but not every show can be so over the top.

by WeaponElDeem on Aug 24, 2009 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just because the card doesn’t look appealing, doesn’t mean it will end up that way.

by 49er16 on Aug 24, 2009 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Randy Couture is an American Super Hero!

If I had to chose a HW mixed martial artist to represent the USA in the Olympics I would chose Randy Couture over Brock Lesnar. Beyond his physicality he is a humble and respectful man that sets a fine example for anyone who wishes to be a great human being.

"Stop smiling you are about to be punched in the face !"

by Warhand on Aug 24, 2009 10:23 AM EDT reply actions  

If only Competitive Humbling were an Olympic sport.

by argyle on Aug 24, 2009 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Randy is on divorce number…3 I think.

I love him as a fighter, but he is no saint.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Aug 24, 2009 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Since when does being unlucky at love make you less saintly? I’m not going to take any marital advice from the guy for sure. Maybe I should have wrote “great athlete” instead of “human being” as that is more what I meant.

"Stop smiling you are about to be punched in the face !"

by Warhand on Aug 24, 2009 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Now that I can agree with.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Aug 24, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

my girlfriend would leave me too if i spent as much time rolling around on the ground w/ Gina Carano as Randy does….

by Headkick on Aug 24, 2009 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

You think there is some kind of romance going on there? That would explain his divorce with Kim…

by Bandaka on Aug 24, 2009 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

maybe a one-sided affair. i’d put it this way: what straight man could roll w/ Gina every day for weeks and not develo[p crush?

by Headkick on Aug 26, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

If Randy is Captain America, which Marvel superhero/villian is Big Nog? Beast perhaps?

by Bandaka on Aug 24, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Juggernaut?

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by AJB on Aug 24, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dunno, but now I wonder if pre-laser-surgery Ben Henderson qualified as Daredevil.

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by Sergio Non on Aug 24, 2009 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

The fight I really want to see is Maia/Marquardt.

I’m not particularly looking forward to the Couture fight simply because I don’t want to see Nogueira get beat down.

by MMAEruption on Aug 24, 2009 10:33 AM EDT reply actions  

Aged 45: Keeps a competitive pace with anthropomorphic Brock Lesnar

Does Jake Rossen know what “anthropomorphic” means?

by judonerd on Aug 24, 2009 10:34 AM EDT reply actions  

lol, its a little backwards. but i still got the concept

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by MicahW on Aug 24, 2009 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think it means “big prick” in Greek.

by MMAEruption on Aug 24, 2009 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Vanilla Gorilla.

The mat is my church, the ground is my heaven, Jiu-Jitsu is my religion. And once you hit the ground you're in my world. My world is like the ocean, I’m like a shark and most people don't even know how to swim - Draculino

by Patrick Tenney on Aug 24, 2009 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

It works if you think Lesnar is a god.

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by Leland Roling on Aug 24, 2009 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

BROCK LESNAR BROCK LESNAR BROCK LESNAR BRETT FARVE… Shit, I always screw that up.

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by AJB on Aug 24, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

It could also work if you are stating the obvious – that people are shaped like people shock

by ludakrish on Aug 24, 2009 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think he’s suggesting Brock is an ape taking the shape of a man.

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by Richard Wade on Aug 25, 2009 1:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

UFC Hall of Fame
Casual fans have expressed to me an unwillingness to see Couture and Nogueira fight for reasons that both fighters, while first ballot Hall of Famers[…]

I could be wrong here, but I feel like when Dana and Lorenzo decide they want to add someone to the UFC Hall of Fame, they probably don’t fill out a ballot and tally the results.

Of course, the whole thing a misnomer. There is no UFC Hall of Fame. Where’s the Hall? Remember when Halls of Fame were actual, you know, halls? People could visit them and get a historical perspective on legends in that particular field. Nowadays you’ve got these so-called Halls of Fame that are just lists of guys who’ve been handed a plaque, or who were voted for by people on the internet. I guess “List of Fame” doesn’t have the same ring, but it is more accurate.

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by Brett Jones on Aug 24, 2009 11:08 AM EDT reply actions  

pretty sure “first ballot” is a figure of speech.

by Grappo on Aug 24, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m psyched for this card. I think on paper it’s the best UFC of the year.

Lots of big names(big to me at least), lots of potential for KOs and subs.

I’m lookin at the names on this one, and except for Vera and Rosholt, I’d describe every combatant as having huge heart/will.

by Headkick on Aug 24, 2009 11:09 AM EDT reply actions  

I’m very excited for the card, much more than UFC 101. It’s not as good as UFC 100, but it’s awfully good.

by Hardcharger on Aug 24, 2009 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

100 was totally mother f’ing awesome…i just wouldnt have expected it.

figured lesnar would ko mir and that would be that. didnt know we’d get the 2nd greatest post fight speech ever (#1 was quarry v starnes)

hoped hendo would Ko bisping but never expected the ‘super-splash death elbow’ on an unconcious bisping

also nearly shot my pants when belcher invented the ‘cage-vault super-man punch’. i’ve practicing that one….

by Headkick on Aug 24, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Does anybody have a link or audio of Quarry’s postfight speech? That kind of thing would make my morning.

by woomikee on Aug 24, 2009 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t know about it being the best on paper UFC of the year (100 on paper was staggeringly good), I loved UFC 101 but then again Penn is my favorite active fighter so I can’t be subjective on that.

The mat is my church, the ground is my heaven, Jiu-Jitsu is my religion. And once you hit the ground you're in my world. My world is like the ocean, I’m like a shark and most people don't even know how to swim - Draculino

by Patrick Tenney on Aug 24, 2009 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

More like 3/4 full.

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by Leland Roling on Aug 24, 2009 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

“…but he is the oldest in a sport as dynamic and unforgiving as mixed martial arts.”
Dan Severn

by Meshuggeth on Aug 24, 2009 11:51 AM EDT reply actions  

Indeed.

I would also argue that hockey is as unforgiving as mixed martial arts, and in some ways more dynamic. And that’s not a dismissal of MMA in any way.

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by Sergio Non on Aug 24, 2009 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

You, sir, have won my respect.

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by AJB on Aug 24, 2009 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maia's chin

With Nate’s striking becoming more of a threat, has Maia’s chin been really tested yet? I haven’t really seen him fight unfortunately…

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by TheKCB on Aug 24, 2009 1:34 PM EDT reply actions  

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