Paul Malignaggi robbed against Juan Diaz.
What's worse: incompetent MMA judges or corrupt boxing judges? Scott Christ explains what happened last night:
"After a fight that many felt he won, Malignaggi still had no beef with Juan Diaz. But his nightmares came true when he lost 115-113, 116-112 and a ridiculous 118-110 -- from Van Hoy -- on the scorecards.
From my view, Malignaggi (26-3, 5 KO) largely dominated the fight defensively and with speed. He looked like the vintage Malignaggi that was a legit contender at 140 pounds. Diaz (35-2, 17 KO) did survive a bad cut this time around, and didn't fight badly. But he had a horrible time closing distance on the longer, taller, quicker Malignaggi, and it was Paulie that made much of the fight go.
It was also, it should be noted, a highly-entertaining style collision between two guys that came to mix it up and win. They both needed it badly, and fought like it. But it was Malignaggi, in my opinion, that won the bout. And I'm not alone. Bad Left Hook scored it 116-112 for Paulie. HBO's Harold Lederman scored it 115-113 for Malignaggi."
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Props to Malignaggi for preaching on that mic. Sounds like the kid fought his fucking heart out and got robbed, bad.
We think we have it bad in MMA, but it’s rare that something of this proportion happens in our sport, and we have to keep it that way…I don’t want to hear any MMA fighter have to say “I used to love this sport…”
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Sounds like the kid fought his fucking heart out and got robbed, bad.
He did. At worse it should have been a draw but he didn’t lose that fight. 118-110 was the most erroneous score I have ever heard.
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He did…. he got robbed big time… I had the fight 116-112…It was a good fight… very entertaining. In some ways it reminded me of the Chris John- Rocky Juarez fight. Paulie boxed beautifully and Diaz landed some good power shots…The fact that one of the judges (from texas) scored it 118-110 for Diaz is criminal.. That guy should never be allowed to judge. The one suprise for me was that, the ref that i think is the worst in boxing (Lawrence Cole) who reffed the fight last night, actually didn’t do that bad of a job..
The judge...
was actually the one that Paulie said before the fight would rob him if he had the chance…so when it happened it was just kind of a “yeah, big shock there” moment.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 23, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
a lot of boxing judges give rounds the the more aggressive fighter regardless of who is actually winning. He said he was back up boxing, which to an uneducated judge looks like retreading and not pressing. Same thing happens to defensive fighters, while they may be getting hit on the mits and not taking any damage, the judges see that as action tipping the scales to the other guy.
The same thing happens in mma when you have a wrestling guy on top of a jujitsu fighter on the bottom. The wrestler is trying not to get submitted, while the guy on the bottom is going to submissions. However, if he dosent get it, the man on top will win the round. (recent hughes serra fight)
“Same thing happens to defensive fighters, while they may be getting hit on the mits and not taking any damage, the judges see that as action tipping the scales to the other guy.”
I think this is why one judge gave Oscar DLH the fight against PBF.
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I don’t know how some judges do it man, I don’t care how much I love my state and hometown…if a guy obviously won who was fighting a guy from my state, I couldn’t take the fight from him. Boxers work so hard to be able to get their conditioning, they give their blood sweat and tears for a good fight, and then you rob the guy of is victory? Thats money out of his pocket man…
Who let what boxing was get raped? I used to want to be a boxer when I was little, I have a soft spot for it even though I only give a damn about Pacman…but seeing this kinda stuff really leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Aug 23, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Sounds like the kid fought his fucking heart out and got robbed, bad.
After watching the fight over at home on my DVR last night I still think Paulie got robbed. But, not from a victory becuase don’t think he won now. He got robbed of a fair shake from the get-go. Very close fight but yeah he himself needs to watch it over and probably won’t be so upset just because the HBOs HL gave him the fight. Malignaggi made himself a new fan in me though with his great performance and his comments.
1 Malignaggi 10-9
2 Diaz 10-9
3 Malignaggi 10-9
4 Diaz 10-9
5 Diaz 10-9
6 Diaz 10-9
7 Diaz 10-9
8 Diaz 10-9
9 Malignaggi 10-9
10 Malignaggi 10-9
11 Malignaggi 10-9
12 Diaz 10-9
115-113 Diaz.
I wouldn’t mind seeing a rematch at MSG in NYC. I still think Diaz would take it. Watching it live it looked really close but on TV you see a lot of those punches were not going through for Paulie.
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
by xFenixKnightx on Aug 24, 2009 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Texas...
features a LOT of biased scoring.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 23, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
So it’s boxing’s version of Japan? Interesting…
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by Scott C. Broussard on Aug 23, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rocky Juarez vs Chris John = Draw
Me = What???
And Ricky and I grew up together but I was like man you lost that fight. lol
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by xFenixKnightx on Aug 24, 2009 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Sums up everything that is wrong with boxing….
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by Zak Woods on Aug 23, 2009 1:28 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
It just sounds like he was bitching for no reason. Just deal with the loss buddy. Why did he take the fight if he knew he was going to shafted? This shit happens all the time.
It just sounds like he was bitching for no reason.
Spoken truly like someone who didn’t watch the fight.
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He was bitching because he got robbed. He legitimately got ROBBED. Yes, he knew it was a possibility fighting a Texan in Texas…but he’s a gutsy guy who thought if he fought his fight it’d be impossible to take it away from him. He talked about how he knew he’d get robbed before the fight because he wanted the judges to feel extra pressure to be fair. It didn’t work and he got robbed.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 23, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Then why not clear up the matter of subjectivity? End the fight with a Knock Out. Then they will have no choice to give him the win. Are they not able to KO each other since they are lighter weight classes and have big gloves? I think not.
Are you for real? The solution to corrupt and/or incompetent reffing is simply to not let it go to decision? Do you actually watch combat sports?
It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.
by capital L on Aug 23, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
You shouldn’t HAVE to end a fight to win it. Thats the whole point.
And dude, this is boxing, it’s not like KO’s are the thing to look for, in a sport that focuses more on technique than anything else, two well trained fighters going the distance is not a shock.
Your whole opinion on this is really…ignorant.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Aug 23, 2009 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
lol, Paulie going for the KO? His main weapon is the jab because his right hand is always injured. Juan isn’t a power puncher either.
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Should make ‘em fight until one fighter can’t continue, amirite?
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he has no KO power...
Paul has REALLY bad hands (7 surgeries on one and 4 on the other if I remember correctly) and didn’t have KO power to begin with. Boxing isn’t just about winning via KO.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 23, 2009 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Not gonna lie, what you just said was extra strength stupid.
Keep firing Assholes!
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by Ubernoober on Aug 23, 2009 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Robbery
I saw this a few hours ago this morning. Malignaggi got ROBBED and made it known. He got a lotta guts to shout it out at Diaz’ hometown, but he blatantly got robbed.
At the same time, according to the numbers, Diaz landed more punches than Malignaggi. Thats not what I saw at all. He has a right to be angry. Only thing he can do is try to brush it off and “FINISH THE FIGHT!”
Malignaggi landed more punches http://www.boxrec.com/media/index.php?title=Fight:1412530
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Then again he threw a ton more so that's an accuracy issue Malignaggi had there
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The blatant corruption of judges is one of the reasons I stopped watching boxing on a regular basis.
These kind of robberies happen all the time and no one does anything about it. And if the main event isn’t a robbery, it’s a mismatch. That’s the other reason I stopped watching.
Not sure how boxing purists can ignore this stuff when they criticize MMA.
"It would appear that the strain was more than he could bear".- Doc Holliday
Even though Diaz is my boy since I’m from Houston and I was there last night I still think Paulie won. He was very respectful and gave props to Diaz and even us Houston fans but a bunch of idiots kept booing, I was like WTF?! Anyway yeah, I was loving when he started shitting on boxing at the end. lol Bummer, would be nice if he got a rematch in MSG!
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
Yes and yes.
Golden Boy has proven to be exactly just like the other promoters. Corrupt. Paul mentions that he gave in on a few things like location and weight limit in exchange for ring size and stuff like that. In the end, Golden Boy went against their word and Diaz basically got everything in his favor.
by AlwaysRelaxing on Aug 23, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
FWIW, Oscar spoke up about it, specifically calling out the 118-110 scoring.
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I’ve lol’ed at some of the people I know who thought what he said was unsportsmanlike. Number one, that was such blatant pandering to the local guy it’s not even funny, Paulie even called then out about that before the fight and they still did it. Boxing will never become truly relevant in my eyes until they clean shit like this iup.
And number two, he was a pissed off Italian guy who got a microphone put in his face just minutes after he got completely screwed over. What the hell did you think he was gonna say?
Doesn’t Malignaggi have a background in BJJ and Sambo? I wonder how he would do in MMA…
Yeah, people who think this is unsportsmanlike need to GTFO. Even if he was wrong, rants like this are awesome.
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i just cant believe that anyone is surprised that any of this happened. this is what Boxing is. 118-110 is the biggest joke i ve ever seen in a fight that good. I’m from Texas, and we do things our own way here, but this is not just a texan thing, this is a boxing thing.
It's called karma people.
Malignaggi had the judges in his pocket for his fight against Ngoudjo. Ngoudjo clearly should’ve won, Mali didn’t do a thing in the fight except hold.
Now, he gets a taste of his own medicine (his promoter’s medicine, let’s face it, promoters are responsible for that).
I find if ironic that this controversial decision happened on the same night Spike re-aired
UFC 75 with the terrible decision in Hamill vs. Bisping.
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Really?
Bad and controversial decisions are one thing, this was on such a different level, your point just sounds stupid. Sorry.
are u serious?
cool down buddy stop patrolling and jumping down ppl’s throats.
he didn’t even make a point lol. he just stated a coincidence.
basically "dont u guys think it’s funny that these similar screwjobs “aired” on the same night.
there was NO point or argument being made…so sorry i don’t know how it could’ve been stupid.
you need to calm down, stop being stupid/impulsive, and remember the differences in sentence structure and statements from schoolhouse grammar rock.
by justizzer on Aug 23, 2009 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Except...
that as I’ve said a million times…Bisping won that fight. Both in my eyes and in the eyes of unbiased computer based systems.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 23, 2009 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I watched it again this morning
Bisping lost. He lost the first round,the second round neither fighter did shit from the stand-up but Hamill scored two takedowns, then Bisping won the third.
His celebration after the fact made it worse.
BOOSH
No
According to the 10 point must system, Bisping wins 29-28. Unbiased fans know it, fightmetric confirmed it.
People need to stop bringing that fight up as a bad decision. If anything, it’s a statement against the 10 point must system
You can't
Get taken down almost every time and get clocked cleanly by the slow-ass punches thrown by Hamill and win that fight.
I gave Hamill the fight.
Alas that wasn’t my point at all because it was still controversial.
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by SSreporters on Aug 23, 2009 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions
watching the re-run.i think that bisping hammill was an extremely close fight.
i still give hammill the slightest of nods.but hammill was gasses since the end of round one,he looked so awkward and gangly while bisping whethered the first round storm and looked sharper for the last 2 rounds(but hammil’s takedown still shud’ve given him the nod.)
but if u are in a 3 rnd fight in another guy’s hometown(where u give away the 2nd round) and look lethargic for 2/3 of the fight,you should definately not be surprised if you lose the fight.
only if hammil lost 30-27 in a unanimius decision like malignaggli lost 118-110 can u go batshit crazy.
Seriously, I watched this on Saturday
This was 10 times worse then Hamil-Bisbing, and I think Hamil won, but the 118-110 score is probably the most insane thing I’ve ever seen in combat sports.
http://www.boxrec.com/media/index.php?title=Fight:1309845
The only fight within the last two years that can compare.
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