Is Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira's UFC 102 Training Camp for Randy Couture Really Going Well?
by Kid Nate on Aug 22, 2009 11:29 PM EDT
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At the press conference call Nogueira emphasized that he is feeling the best he has in years:
"I'm 33 years old, and I have a lot to do in my career still," Nogueira said. "At least, I've got to fight a couple of more years.
"I know I'm still young and feel healthy. I still feel when I fight I'm very competitive. ... I'm in the best shape since 2005. I feel very good, and I did not feel like (that) in the last four years."
But rumors are swirling that his camp hasn't gone well and that he has been knocked out repeatedly in sparring sessions, a far cry from the iron-chinned Minotauro of old.
We will find out almost exactly one week from tonight. Personally, I'm hoping for the best Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira we've ever seen, but I just can't convince myself it's very likely.
The other question is this -- even if it is the best Big Nog we've ever seen, could that man beat Randy Couture? Perhaps if they had met ten years ago when Couture's submission defense game was much more limited. But in 2009, it's hard to draw a path to victory for Nogueira. He might be able to outpoint Couture on the feet, but he's never displayed KO power. There's no way he'll dominate the takedowns against Couture and it's highly unlikely he'll be able to sweep Randy from his back. That leaves the old hail mary triangle or arm bar from his back. But it's not 2003 and Randy ain't Mirko Cro Cop.
Video of Big Nog training in the full entry.
Photo by Dave Mandel for Sherdog.
Here's Big Nog training at his L.A. Black House gym for Randy Couture at UFC 102:
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I think Randy wins either way, but i hope this isn't true.. :(
rumors are swirling that his camp hasn’t gone well and that he has been knocked out repeatedly in sparring sessions, a far cry from the iron-chinned Minotauro of old.
(or maybe dos santos is just that good..)
if not dos santos though, i wonder who else knocks him out in training.. Lil nog? Vera? Munoz? JZ (i hope not)? Feijao? Silva?
I haven’t read about lyoto being in camp with him, so i doubt it’s him..
i have a bunch of fake BE bucks on a Randy/Munoz/Vera Parlay..
by Anton Tabuena on Aug 22, 2009 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions
1720 on that parlay
and i also have 500 on randy, 1k on Vera, since mmaplayground doesn’t allow more than half of the money on parlays
(but maybe im biased towards Filipinos and will lose all my BE bucks)
by Anton Tabuena on Aug 22, 2009 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I like that play. Krystof is making a big jump in competition. Hes looked great against the lower end guys but Vera is no joke and will eat him up standing.
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i think the whole bet is actually riding on Munoz not having the jitters and making weight properly..
if any of the two happens.. bye bye BE bucks..
but i think he can do it.. Catone isn’t exactly a hamil.. Big nog and other blackhouse fighters should be more than enough to prepare him for Catone’s jits..
by Anton Tabuena on Aug 22, 2009 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I like that parlay, gotta stick with those Filipinos homie!
by filipinomix2oo0 on Aug 23, 2009 3:47 AM EDT up reply actions
If it is true and Nog is getting dropped like that in training camp, it would be almost criminal to make him fight without getting an MRI or some other kind of scan to determine the severity of his injuries, he might have brain damage.
I’ve been reading a lot on the effects of multiple concussions and how they cause brain damage mostly on studies of former NFL and WWE athletes.
Some of the athletes had brains that resembled 80 year old brains that were under the effects of Alzheimers, and also were suffering from bouts of dementia at an early age.
I really hope that I won’t have to read about Nog and Liddell and other fighters one day in similar studies.
I wonder what the UFC policy is on preventative brain damage and testing for it?
All in all I hope the rumors are just rumors and Nog and Couture are both healthy for this match, as to me it is the #2 and #3 HW of the world (sorry Josh Barnett you are on the shit list) going at it for a title shot.
there's a new study
that makes a bloodtest detect brain damage:
A blood test can now be used to detect brain damage in amateur boxers. Deterioration of nerve cells seems to occur even after a two-month break from boxing. This is shown in a new study from the Sahlgrenska Academy.
people should look in to this more.. blood tests are cheaper and easier to do, so maybe if the study is accurate, it could serve as an early warning sign to those people who’s blood shows signs of possible brain damage..
by Anton Tabuena on Aug 23, 2009 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions
I heared blood test were more expensive, thats why the CSAC uses piss which is why Nick Daiz can smoke weed without getting caught. With blood test I think THC stays in your system longer. My apologies if I am inccorect
by Erich Vowell on Aug 23, 2009 1:13 AM EDT up reply actions
blood tests to determine brain damage are way cheaper than MRI’s right off the bat.. they could have blood tests for those who got badly KOed and if they show signs of brain damage, then they could start having more detailed tests..
that’s assuming that the blood testing are really accurate.. the study is still new, so it still needs further research and testing before it is really applied..
as for getting results of drug tests, of course, urine is cheaper..
by Anton Tabuena on Aug 23, 2009 2:22 AM EDT up reply actions
They do a full physical when fighters get their license but they don’t do any in depth medical unless a fighter is injured after a fight, it’s a very different situation than banned substance testing. A blood test for brain injuries after a KO loss (or a particularly bad fight) would be a great screening tool for MMA and boxing. Obviously they aren’t going to test every fighter but perhaps they could add that in to the medical suspension program, they suspend guys all the time for being knocked out, they could make them turn in test results before they came off suspension.
I’m rooting for Nogueira…but Couture is taking this via decision all day….btw…where are you hearing these ‘rumors’ from Nate?
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Michael Rome stated in another piece that he was hearing it from anonymous sources from within Nog’s camp.
by Screwface on Aug 23, 2009 11:01 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
If the rumors are true, it really really sucks. I mean, I pick Randy to win, but I don’t want Nog to go out looking like he did against Mir. He’s a champ, he’s one of the greatest, a legend…and if he goes out looking like he did against Mir, it’s gonna spoil my night a little bit.
I hope the fight will be competitive…and I hope Nog is ok.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Aug 22, 2009 11:51 PM EDT reply actions
How crazy is it
That Randy is 13 years older than Nog. Basically Nog would have to fight a 20 year old to have the same age difference between him and another fighter and yet it is Nog who looks like hes reaching the end (if these rumors are true).
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by Day Man on Aug 22, 2009 11:53 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Yes, but in terms of “fighting years,” they’re almost even: 10 years for Big Nog and 12 years for Randy. Big Nog also has a dozen more fights than Randy, and let’s face it, Randy’s fighting style generally exposed him to fewer big punches/kicks, compared to Big Nog’s approach.
Sergio Non,
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plus Nog got run over by a truck as a kid
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by thetakeover on Aug 23, 2009 12:07 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
People were saying this about Mir before the Nog fight
Look I have no clue how is training camp is going and no really does.
I mean really, rumors are swirling?
Rumors were also swirling that Fedor was gonna join the UFC.
As for Randy’s submission defense how do we know it’s better? Why because Gonzaga didnt submit him? Besides Gonzaga you have to go back to Belfort to find a bjj guy Randy has faced and Belfort everyone knows loves the stand up.
So realistically besides Gonzaga you have to go back to Ricco Rodriguez in 2002 to find a great BJJ that Randy has faced and fyi he lost to Ricco.
Yet Randy’s submission defense is great now?
Maybe Randy destroys Nog but your gonna need more than rumors are swirling and telling me how you think Couture’s submission defense has improved to prove a valid point.
It’s probably more so that Couture has only been subbed 3 times in MMA….and all of them were very early in this career.
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by Kelvin Hunt on Aug 22, 2009 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions
That's because Randy has faced mainly wrestlers
Ortiz, Liddell, Lesnar, Sylvia, Barnett, Van Arsdale, Randleman these guys might have some BJJ but they are not BJJ guys.
Look I like Randy he is a great fighter but this idea that his submission defense is so improved is bs. Besides Belfort, which I dont like including him but I will, the only actauall BJJ guy he has faced since 10/2002 is Gabriel Gonzaga. That is almost 7 years.
I agree it is not like Barnett wins by submission 62.5% of the time or Arsdale 75% of the time…oh wait.
The other’s…not so much heh.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
Van Arsdale is probably the worst example you could have used
Dude has 8 wins and yes 6 are by submission however he lost his last 4 fights by submission and gave Randy a submission win which says a lot. Randy has 2 submission victories Tony Halme and Van Arsdale which should show everyone how weak Van Arsdale’s ground game is.
As for Barnett I dont even think you can include him at all because 1, he beat Couture by strikes 2, he got suspended afterwards for roids, and 3 again Barnett’s submissions are not against great BJJ guys.
People are gonna disagre with me but I have my opinion.
Yet Randy’s submission defense is great now?
yes it is actually.. his last loss by sub was back in 2001, and the other two was in 98’ and 99’.. He also grappled with Jacare, a multi titled Jiu Jitsu world champion, to a draw..
by Anton Tabuena on Aug 23, 2009 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m not sure how any conclusions can be drawn about Randy’s MMA submission defense, given that no one has tried to submit him in MMA over the last 7+ years.
Sergio Non,
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since no one has tried much, it still doesn't mean it isn't good..
And yeah, you can’t really be entirely sure… But since Jacare couldn’t do it, i guess that should count for a little something..
plus that’s surely a better conclusion than bigdmmafan saying that he doesn’t have good sub defense based on nothing..
by Anton Tabuena on Aug 23, 2009 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions
The Jacare grappling match notwithstanding, submission defense for Randy since 2002 mostly has meant staying out of situations where it would be relevant. I suppose you can do that when you’re a high-caliber wrestler.
Sergio Non,
MMA writer, USA TODAY
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And look at how many bjj guys he faced
You could argue since 2001 he has faced 3 guys with great BJJ.
Ricco Rodriguez-Lost
Vitor Belfort- Twice one win and one loss but Vitor mainly a stand up guy even though he does have a bjj black belt
Gabriel Gonzaga- Yes I give him credit for the Gonzaga win
You wanna say Barnett, fine, but remember Barnett beat Couture. You wanna argue Van Arsdale like I said Van Arsdale has lost his last four fights by submission so I think that shows how “great” Van Arsdale is on the ground.
As for Jacare I dont like the grappling tournaments. Know why it’s alot easier to defend a submission attempt when your not getting punched. Why do so many guys get caught in a rear naked they get hit and so they move their hands and bam chokes in.
so therefore his sub defense isn't good?
your arguments can say that “you can’t know if randy’s sub defense is really that great”.. but i don’t get how you can conclude that it is bad..
by Anton Tabuena on Aug 23, 2009 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions
weoweo, I’m not arguing that it is bad. Kid Nate in his article stated
" Perhaps if they had met ten years ago when Couture’s submission defense game was much more limited"
Where have we seen a situation where Randy Couture’s submission defense was tested so well? I dont think his submission defense is horrible I’m just asking what fight or where Kid Nate saw that Couture’s submission defense is vastly improved. Randy has not really been tested.
it’s a reasonable argument from kid nate.. Randy’s 2 sub losses was at his 5th and 6th fight.. back in the olden days where he came into the UFC purely a wrestler..
now he’s improved a lot and is a completely different fighter since then.. his striking is better, and he hasn’t been subbed in years.. plus he competes in grappling tournaments and does pretty well. so i don’t see why that statement seems unreasonable in your eyes..
by Anton Tabuena on Aug 23, 2009 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Again I dont think of it of weather or not you get subbed. I look at submission defense as being put in a submission or almost being put in a submission and being able to get out.
Machida escaping Ortiz’s traingle at UFC 84
Sylvia being able to get out of Couture’s rear naked at UFC 68
Miller vs. Sonnen at UFC 98 when Miller gets the guillotine and Sonnen’s face turns purple yet he manages to push through and get out and win the fight
To me that is Submission defense and Couture has not been put in a situation like that so that is why I dont like to say Couture has vastly improved in submission defense.
You may think I’m wrong but that is my opinion on the whole matter.
lol, so tim sylvia and chael sonnen showed that they have improved sub defense?
also, by your logic, since maia, in MMA, has not been put in a situation where he almost gets subbed and gets out of it, that means he hasn’t shown sub defense either?
cmon man.
why is it so absurd that randy couture hasn’t improved his sub defense after 10 years, since he has vastly improved and shown it in almost all the other facets in his game?
..cause he hasn’t “almost gotten subbed?” ..wrong criteria dude.
Couture’s submission defense game was really much more limited before.. MMA or not, Would you think he could hang with a jacare level grappler if he fought one 10 years ago? no he wouldn’t..
the couture before, like most wrestlers, shoots and sometimes leaves their heads open for chokes. that’s pretty basic and he still did that before… now, a two time open weight jiu jitsu world champion wasn’t able to sub him.. I’m pretty sure he has vastly improved his sub defense since 10 years ago.. i don’t get why you don’t see that.
by Anton Tabuena on Aug 23, 2009 2:32 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Simple as this
In mma I dont think Randy Couture has showed great submission defense because I dont think there has been a situation where Randy was in danger of getting submitted.
I think you have to be in danger of being submitted to show submission defense. You can show great defense in general but to show submission defense I think you have to be in danager of being submitted.
The only match people can even list for Randy’s great submission defense is a grappling match with Jacare. No mma match.
People are missing the point it’s not that I’m out to prove that Randy Couture hasnt improved his submission defense, he very well could of but there isnt an mma match that shows that he has.
Everyone can continue to think I’m stupid but I do believe it’s called submission defense for a reason. You can show great general defense or takedown defense or blocking defense but in this case we are talking about submission defense which in my opinion requires you to show defense when faced with a submission.
What if I said Forrest Griffin showed great takedown defense against Anderson Silva. It’s true. Silva did not take down Griffin once. All of a sudden it seems really stupid though because Silva didnt go for the takedown.
Ok so now Randy showed great submission defense against Brock and Sylvia It’s true yeah but it doesnt mean squat because neither Brock nor Sylvia went for a submission.
LOL
So as you say bigdmmafan… Randy hasn’t been put in a situation to be subbed to show whether or not he has great defense ???
You do know you’re contradicting yourself here ?? There is a reason he hasn’t been in a situation to be subbed… It’s called “SUBMISSION DEFENSE”.. Sub defense is more than just getting out of sub’s dude.. It’s about knowing all facets of submissions and making sure you don’t allow yourself to be put in those situations..
There is a big difference between “powering out of subs” and “submission deffense”.. Most guys that get caught will have to “power out” where as good submission defense means no matter what you don’t get put in those situations..
by MMAuthority on Aug 23, 2009 8:43 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Exactly, the most important part of sub D is keeping yourself out of a situation where you can be subbed. Let’s just watch Saturday night and see what happens, if he can stay away from Big Nog’s subs all night then we’ll know the answer, although bigdmmafan will probably just say it’s cuz Nog is old and shot.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Aug 23, 2009 9:21 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
If Jacare couldn’t submit you, that means you have very good submission defense, no matter if it’s MMA or grappling match. Period.
by dancingChicken on Aug 23, 2009 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions
mmauthority
My whole point was if you look at most of the people Randy has faced they are great wrestlers. Guys like Sylvia, Lesnar, Liddell, and Ortiz you know for the most part they dont go for submissions.
Like I said the only real great bjj guy Randy has faced lately is Gonzaga and Gonzaga didnt really try any submissions.
I disagree that most guys power out of subs look at Kenny Florian, Tim Sylvia, Robbie Lawler. Matt Hughes they all have been caught and not able to power out.
I shared my opinion on the situation and I think you have good thoughts to I’m not trying to bash anyone.
Well the simple fact that he has had ten years of training and experience in sub defense points to it almost having to be much improved. I mean can you even imagine a case where a decade of training hadn’t let to improvement?
Conditioning isn’t skill training it’s staying in shape. Bob Sapp obviously doesn’t put much time into conditioning (or training in general).
ok I was kidding that is why I used bob sapp and you are wrong conditioning is a skill. If conditioning wasn’t a skill Phill baroni’s record might be a bit better
by Erich Vowell on Aug 23, 2009 12:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
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by Sergio Non on Aug 23, 2009 1:38 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think you have to trust camp reports and for YEARS now the reports out of Randy’s camps are that he is out grappling everyone and isn’t getting caught in subs..etc. And that Jacare grappling match really DOES show a lot about his submission defense.
I’ve heard these same reports that Nate has that camp is going VERY poorly for Nog.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 23, 2009 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Seriously I don’t think that many people give Black House the credit thats due. They take the mental game to another level as a whole team, I imagine it is much the same as a Jedi Knight Council.
I’ll bet that seemed clever in your head.
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by Richard Wade on Aug 23, 2009 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions
So if Randy beats up Nog how long will it take for these rumors to become fact and excuses to be made for Rodrigo getting his ass kicked again?.
If Randy just destroys Nogueira, I think that even the hardcore Nogueira fans will see that Nogueira just isn’t the same fighter that he was. If it is a competitive fight even if Nogueira loses, then I feel that Nogueira could keep fighting. Obviously, the Nogueira apologists will find excuses for him if he loses badly, but I think that everyone else will feel that he will need to hang up the gloves.
Honestly though, I am going to be optimistic about this fight. I hope to see both fighters still be able to fight on a competitive level.
Noguiera Talked to Gracie Mag About Randy:
I’m 100% physically, well trained, dying to fight… I’m fine, feeling great. I trained a lot, worked on what I needed to. You’ll see the result after the fight… I promise it will be a lively fight, lots of movement. I’m going for the finish the whole time. That’s what you want to see against Randy.
I think Randy is going to want to strike; he’ll be confident in his hands, his boxing. I’m training a lot to surprise him standing. He may try ground and pound, but I believe my grappling is good enough to see me through. I think it’s a good fight for me, I’m going to be careful with the wrestling and be prepared to fight both standing and on the ground.
With tis new information
I say Randy KO R1 Min 0-0:59
I can't believe everyone is writing off NOG!
I mean, Randy has had exactly one fight in the last 2 years. And it was a loss, just like Nog’s last fight. Everyone is talking about Nog breaking down at age 32…. I think we will see Randy “grow old” during this fight, much like Kostya Tszyu did against Ricky Hatton.
Maybe we’re reading too much into this. Maybe the knockouts are just him practicing the typical Nogueira game plan…
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by Sam Cupitt on Aug 23, 2009 8:44 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Yes, the typical Noguiera gameplan… the man that has been knocked out ONCE in his whole career. Good observation.
SIGH.
As in he takes a huge amount of damage before winning the fight.
This shirt is "dry clean only", which means it's dirty.
FUD
Anonymous sources from the camp is more trustworthy than the man himself? It’s FUD people, don’t over-analyze it. Stop the excuses. The man said he’s ready. We should give to credit the winner rather than find another excuse for the loser.
Source?
Seriously, this is the 1st time I’ve heard the rumor about Nog getting KOd in this training camp. Where’s this coming from?
But rumors are swirling that his camp hasn’t gone well and that he has been knocked out repeatedly in sparring sessions, a far cry from the iron-chinned Minotauro of old.
Sorry Nate, but this is crap reporting. You don’t just drop a bomb like that and leave it up to “rumors are swirling”.
It isn’t reporting, it is just commentary.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
You can choose to believe, or choose not to believe it, or even choose to take it under consideration as something that is out there. You are incredibly unlikely to ever get a guy on the record saying that a fighter is looking awful in camp. Trainers, and training partners, are not about to jeopardize their livelihoods and professional relationships for the benefit of making these sorts of stories more reliable.
It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.
Before the Lesnar/Couture fight, there were also “rumors” that Lesnar got knocked out in training camp. You know how reliable that rumor was.
It’s hearsay and rumor mongering. If I wanted that, there are plenty of other websites and message boards that can offer it. Forgive me if I hold BE to a higher standard of journalism.
by George Lucas on Aug 23, 2009 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions
couple things
1) i’m not a journalist, i’m a fan and blogger. I don’t do original reporting.
2) my source for the rumor, which I attributed correctly as a rumor, was Luke Thomas’ radio show on MMA Nation. But ultimately the source is Michael Rome and his sources are anonymous people inside Nogueira’s camp.
I’m flattered that you expect so much from BE, but all we promise is honesty and transparency.
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i think you’re a journalist nate….. just because you don’t have a degree in it doesn’t matter. i think you’ve made yourself into one through your work, no disrespect intended.
by cagefightonacid on Aug 30, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Michael Rome...
…broke the story 3-4 days ago that Big Nog was getting KO’d in camp. He cited anonymous sources from within Nog’s camp.
Deep Throat wasn’t revealed until 30 years after the story broke and he was on his deathbed. Why do reporters have to throw their sources under the bus to appease a few doubtful readers?
Without anonymous sources every news organization would be reporting some dead retread from weeks prior.
by Screwface on Aug 23, 2009 3:35 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
I feel uncomfortable with “anonymous sources” period.
by cagefightonacid on Aug 23, 2009 5:46 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
There are several options here:
A: Everyone reporting this story simply made it up. Unlikely.
B: The story is coming from a legitimate source but is untrue. Possible.
C: The story is coming from a legitimate source and is true. Possible.
To report under fact pattern A is clearly irresponsible. To report under B & C can be valuable journalism, though the decision has to rest on a variety of factors—e.g. the nature of the source, the presence or absence of corroborating sources, the plausibility of the information on its own and in relation to other, known, information. The simple fact that a source is anonymous as presented to the reader does not by default invalidate the story.
It is fine to feel “uncomfortable” with anonymous sources to the extent that you consider how that influences your take on the story. However, I’m not sure that it’s prudent to completely discount all off-record reports, especially in the world of sports-journalism.
It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.
by capital L on Aug 23, 2009 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I didn’t discount the story, I just don’t like unknown sources… sorry for the double post
by cagefightonacid on Aug 23, 2009 6:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
There is a fourth and much more likely option:
This story is being reported based on nothing but rumor and hearsay, which gets repeated as factual news by the blogosphere echo chamber regardless of its veracity (which is untestable).
by George Lucas on Aug 23, 2009 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions
That also falls back onto whether you trust the people doing the reporting. If you don’t trust that the writers at BE are actually reporting from a source and are instead just rumormonger then your going to have issues with pretty much everything here. The fact that it is reported as being from an anonymous source is the control for it spreading around the so called blogosphere as proven fact; they can’t really do anything to control the internet acting like the internet does they can only control that they did their best on their end before the put it on the site.
if I say something is a rumor
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surely you can understand
hearing something like that from an anonymous source is unsettling though right?
by cagefightonacid on Aug 24, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Yea but they are a huge part of how journalism works. Most important things that come out to the public generally start off the record. Now I would always rather have a on the record source too but I would prefer to hear the anonymous stuff from reliable sources than to not hear anything at all. Either you trust the staff here or you don’t but it’s not like they are hiding the fact that it’s from an off the record source and sometimes all you can get is an off the record source for a story. I trust the writers here more than a lot of the guys at other places so I can trust that they aren’t just making things up.
I feel uncomfortable with “anonymous sources” period.
by cagefightonacid on Aug 23, 2009 6:47 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
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