Watch Out World -- Jon Jones Joins Greg Jackson's MMA Team
by Kid Nate on Aug 22, 2009 10:44 AM EDT
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From MMA Weekly:
Undefeated UFC light heavyweight Jon Jones is the latest fighter to join Team Jackson's in Albuquerque, N.M., headed by highly sought after trainer Greg Jackson.
Jackson told MMAWeekly.com content partner Tapout Radio, "Jon Jones has joined our team and he's out here training. He's just a pleasure to work with. He's incredibly creative. That he's got so far with his creativity is amazing."
The only downside of this news is that it precludes possible light heavyweight clashes with fellow Team Jackson fighters Rashad Evans and Keith Jardine.
It's also very bad news for everyone else in the LHW division who might have been hoping to capitalize in gaps in Jones' preparation or knowledge since he'd been training with lesser-known teams.
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he’d been training with lesser-known teams.
he also trained with GSP in montreal for his last fight right?
by Anton Tabuena on Aug 22, 2009 10:48 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
but yeah, this is a scary scary thing to think about..
He’s young, very athletic, very creative, and he learns pretty fast.. now he officially trains with a top notch team, so it would be really interesting to see how he develops and fills in those holes in his game, when being taught/trained by a guy like greg jackson..
by Anton Tabuena on Aug 22, 2009 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good News!
Awesome things to come from Bones…And honestly I don’t see Rashad or Keith getting back on to op the LHW heap, so the the teammate thing shouldn’t present problems.
by WanderleiNoooooo! on Aug 22, 2009 10:50 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You don't think
Evans can be a top five guy again? I don’t see him beating Rampage, but I can see him taking on most of the rest of the division, (And I don’t really like him)
Doesn't anybody think before they speak/post anymore?
by Big Boob Lover on Aug 22, 2009 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who has he really beat besides Forrest?
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by ufc4 on Aug 22, 2009 12:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
He nuked Chuck Liddell when he was a 3-1 dog.
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by Ubernoober on Aug 22, 2009 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he nuked a old, worn-out chuck that he was losing too before that overhand right!!
Everyone has a game plan, untell they get hit.
by mma is #1 on Aug 22, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Losing R1 to Chuck was part of the plan. Chuck was still dangerous at that point.
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by Ubernoober on Aug 22, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chuck was decidedly NOT dangerous at that point. How many fights has he won in the last three years?
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by ufc4 on Aug 22, 2009 3:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
He still hits awfully hard. He’s certainly dangerous in the sense that he can put you to sleep if you make a mistake.
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by Richard Wade on Aug 22, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Come on, he hit Wandy hard several times and couldn’t KO him, the same Wandy who went night-night in the first round against Rampage. And that fight was 20 months ago, what does he have left now? His last TKO was almost 3 years ago.
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by ufc4 on Aug 22, 2009 4:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
EIther way
Jones would still in 1-2 fights make an interesting matchup with Evans and Jardine…even with loses. Its not catastrophic…Like if he trained with black house, but it affects matchups.
by SES 84 on Aug 22, 2009 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The guy wasn’t claiming Rampage didn’t hit harder than Chuck, he was implying Chuck can still knock someone out.
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by crinow on Aug 22, 2009 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I realize that, and I said if he hit so hard he should have been able to knock Wandy out within 15 minutes considering all the punches he hit him with since Rampage KO’d him in about three minutes.
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by ufc4 on Aug 22, 2009 8:55 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Chuck was not dangerous at that point???
One thing is say that he was battle worn and past his prime, but say that he was ‘decidedly’ not dangerous is nonsense. he can always ko anyone with one punch – even now.
by UniversalSoul on Aug 23, 2009 8:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And how exactly do you know that? When was the last time you saw him KO someone with one punch?
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by ufc4 on Aug 23, 2009 8:56 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Evans will beat Rampage.
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by Warhand on Aug 22, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
sorry,
but rashad is getting knocked down to 185
by theblade on Aug 22, 2009 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He fought at HW on TUF. I don’t see him cutting down any lower than where he is at. Evans is too fast for Rampage. Just wait and see.
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by Warhand on Aug 22, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
I don’t see how Rampage can beat Evans. Evans is quicker, has as much (or more) power, and is younger. I see them as similar styles, which Rashad having the edge.
Should be a hell of a fight tho.
by mythbuster on Aug 22, 2009 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
That’s how I see it too
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by funnytiger on Aug 22, 2009 4:33 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
I think Rampage has much more power than Rashad
much.
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by Kid Nate on Aug 22, 2009 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dunno
His KO of Liddel was pretty damn devastating. Only one way to find out tho, and I’m psyched to see it.
by mythbuster on Aug 23, 2009 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, but rampage is the first preson to knock out chuck when he still had somewhat of a chin!!
Everyone has a game plan, untell they get hit.
by mma is #1 on Aug 23, 2009 1:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But then there’s the Forest Griffin thing. :\
by mythbuster on Aug 23, 2009 2:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
true!!
but rashad was losing to him too before he cracked him!!!!
also, rashad DOES have the speed adv. but besides that, what else!?!?
Everyone has a game plan, untell they get hit.
by mma is #1 on Aug 23, 2009 2:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He also has power and Greg Jacksons brain :)
by mythbuster on Aug 23, 2009 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Evans doesn’t have nearly as much power as Rampage plus he has horrible punching technique while Rampage’s is outstanding. Page via KO round 1.
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by ufc4 on Aug 23, 2009 12:08 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
I would like Rampage to win, but I’m not as confidant that he can. I just see Rashad being too fast for him.
by mythbuster on Aug 23, 2009 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I cant tell you how Rampage can beat Evans
… it’s hit him in the face. What else do you need? I’m not saying HE WILL, because only an idiot or prophet can say this, but that HE CAN. I just hope this discussion won’t start reminding these on boxing forums, filled with those “in the know”. Plus – how many “quicker guys” have you seen losing to slower guys? What I know is Rampage has better chin then Evans, and in my book it’s huge advantage. I believe that Rampage will take what Rashad will dish-out, and Rashad won’t take what Rampage will lay on him.
by UniversalSoul on Aug 23, 2009 8:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How exactly do you know Rampage has a better chin?
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by iiowyn on Aug 23, 2009 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course, Rampage has a punchers chance. At that level, it’s a given :)
And I’m also curious to see you answer iiowyns question. How can you say that Rampage has a better chin than Evans? Evans only KO was due to several shots from Machida.
by mythbuster on Aug 23, 2009 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I could see Evans in the top 5, but not at the top (I don’t doubt his power, but his striking/footwork seems pretty suspect from a technical standpoint). As far as I’m concerned, as long as teammates aren’t 1-2 in a division, the UFC has a deep enough roster that not forcing them to fight shouldn’t really present a problem.
by WanderleiNoooooo! on Aug 22, 2009 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bones isn’t on the top. When he will climb the ladder, there will be some problems with match ups
by dancingChicken on Aug 22, 2009 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jon Jones + Greg Jackson = Scary.
He was good enough on his own, now that he has Jackson’s strategizing as well, the sky is the limit.
by mythbuster on Aug 22, 2009 10:54 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
As long as...
he doesn’t make Jones try the same strategy Evans attempted against Machida.
by jrobb20 on Aug 22, 2009 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
To be fair...
that strategy would have worked if it was anyone else but Machida. The man is Neo ;)
by mythbuster on Aug 22, 2009 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He needs a top-10 guy for his next fight., what’s Luiz Cane up to? And to be on TV!
by GoldenOldie on Aug 22, 2009 10:54 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Cane would be a handful for Jones
might derail the Bones hype train.
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by Kid Nate on Aug 22, 2009 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know think he necessarily needs a top ten guy next. I’d actually like to see Cane fight Rogerio in his first UFC fight.
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by ufc4 on Aug 22, 2009 12:09 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
that would be a good fight
I’d like to see Jones get Matt Hamill or the loser of the Vera/Sos fight.
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by Kid Nate on Aug 22, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Vera would be an interesting matchup.
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by ufc4 on Aug 22, 2009 3:37 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
I can’t see Hammil giving him much problem. He lumbers around the ring slower than a frozen turtle. I think Jones would just dance around him and poke at will.
by mythbuster on Aug 22, 2009 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hamill would be a good fight for Jones.
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by Richard Wade on Aug 22, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No way.
Jones is still raw as hell. He’s still at the stage of his career where his primary concern needs to be acquiring new skills. Let him beat the hell out of gatekeepers while he perfects his craft. He will have plenty of opportunities to contend in the future.
by Steve4192 on Aug 22, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dana White is not happy.
“Jon Jones will f*cking fight Evans and Jardine!”
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by VeeisAnimated on Aug 22, 2009 10:55 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don’t care if he fights Evans/Jardine, the only one that matters is Machida (a few years in the future, of course).
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by Ubernoober on Aug 22, 2009 10:57 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The best part about this is he won’t be fighting Evans or Jardine.
by DirtyML on Aug 22, 2009 11:05 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Any news on who/when he’ll be fighting next? Please make it UFC 107.
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by ufc4 on Aug 22, 2009 11:15 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
I’m hoping to. I went ahead and booked a hotel room since I get them free, hopefully I can save up enough between now and then to make it out. I think BE should start paying me for all my witty and insightful comments, I’d have enough money in no time. :)
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by ufc4 on Aug 22, 2009 3:39 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Only if we get to charge you for all your comments that are sans wit and/or insight.
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by Richard Wade on Aug 22, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s fine, it’s such a low number that I’ll still come out way ahead.
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by ufc4 on Aug 22, 2009 4:22 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Nice i live in Alabama so i’ll just drive up that morning.
by SouthAlaBamaRampage on Aug 22, 2009 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
awwwww snap!
Jonny bones is gonna be an absolute monster by the time he’s like 24.
by willydynamite on Aug 22, 2009 11:38 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
He mat also be a heavyweight by then too.
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by crinow on Aug 22, 2009 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is the same guy who learned striking from YouTube videos until after his UFC debut fight
He’s now gonna fuck everyone up (except Rashad and Jardine).
by Chromium on Aug 22, 2009 12:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He is gonna try…
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by iiowyn on Aug 22, 2009 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Jones next fight should be againsy Forrest. Its a good Match up for him and brings him even further up the ladder
by SouthAlaBamaRampage on Aug 22, 2009 1:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Tough luck for Forrest. He’ll probably have to rematch Bonnar again after that one.
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by Ubernoober on Aug 22, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think that’s such a good idea.
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by Richard Wade on Aug 22, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ill be takinf Forrest. Jones isnt ready.
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by Day Man on Aug 22, 2009 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh shit, I hope he still maintains his unorthodox fighting style, he has some pretty sick combinations!
by Bandaka on Aug 22, 2009 1:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I hope the opposite.
I hope he becomes more fundamentally sound and only uses the unorthodox stuff as a changeup to confuse his opponents. Bones needs to tighten up his technical skills and stop using the unorthodox stuff as his primary offensive weapon.
by Steve4192 on Aug 22, 2009 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Bones is a tough fight for Cane, just because I don’t think Cane has the wrestling skill to handle it, and he has such a huge reach disadvantage.
by Michael Rome on Aug 22, 2009 2:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
but if Bones gasses
and then tries to screw around with spinning elbows it could be KTFO time.
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by Kid Nate on Aug 22, 2009 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I expect Greg Jackson to calm him down on those crazy moves he tries. Working up there in Montreal at Tristar, his conditioning should improve
by The Bronzeville Bully on Aug 22, 2009 4:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
“and then tries to screw around with spinning elbows it could be KTFO time.”
Yeah, for Cane.
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by ufc4 on Aug 22, 2009 4:29 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Jones was getting handled (handled might be a bit strong) on the feet by O’brien in their last fight. The only thing that saved him was his reach. Jones’ stand up has huge holes. Best to let the Jones wine age a bit. Being with Jackson’s camp should make a difference but it will take time. A test against Brandon Vera interests me for sure!
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by Warhand on Aug 22, 2009 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah but Bones has a huge reach advantage on everyone- longest reach in UFC history, pretty impressive when you think about the Stefan Struve’s of the world. Also I think there was a 6’10" guy who fought back in like ‘02 or ’03 but I can’t remember his name.
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by ufc4 on Aug 22, 2009 3:42 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
That’s it, he lost to Tim Sylvia in the fight that Tim got popped for using steroids.
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by ufc4 on Aug 22, 2009 4:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
even longer then brocks??
Everyone has a game plan, untell they get hit.
by mma is #1 on Aug 22, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh yeah, he has a few inches on Brock, Jones has a 7’ wingspan, the guy is a freak.
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by ufc4 on Aug 22, 2009 4:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
holy shit!!!!
that IS scary!!!!
Everyone has a game plan, untell they get hit.
by mma is #1 on Aug 22, 2009 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brock is 81", Jones is 84"
The scary one is Torres at 77", the same as Forrest and Anderson.
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by iiowyn on Aug 22, 2009 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
never new that!!!
also, i know that gsp had a 6 inch. advantage over bj, and he is only 1 inch taller.
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by mma is #1 on Aug 22, 2009 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
jackson will emphasize
the fact that Jones will have an 8-12 inch reach advantage on most opponents and jones will become lethal….frankly, I think he beats any of the guys mentioned above (Rampage, Jardine, Vera, Cane) except Rashad now that he’s with GJ
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by SteelerStuckintheSouth on Aug 22, 2009 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wasn't scary for Bowles
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by ufc4 on Aug 22, 2009 5:53 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
And Bowles dominated every aspect of that fight, so I think wingspan isn’t all it’s cracked up to be.
Also I seem to recall hearing or reading once that it’s a misleading stat anyway because of the way it’s measure. I think they said it’s measured from fingertip to fingertip instead of armpit to fingertip so it doesn’t accurately reflect actual reach.
something like that.
by mythbuster on Aug 22, 2009 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thats just the standard wingspan measurement they use for all sports. I do agree with you that a more accurate measurement would be useful. Id propose from the shoulder to the knuckle.
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by Day Man on Aug 22, 2009 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I can’t remember where I heard that but that was the case they made. Seems to make sense.
by mythbuster on Aug 22, 2009 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it takes into account shoulder width, which can easily distort wingspan. You could have really broad shoulders and t-rex arms and still look like you have good reach.
by CliChe Guevara on Aug 23, 2009 3:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
However you don’t just punch with your arms, you pivot around your core.
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by iiowyn on Aug 23, 2009 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
jabs?
Keeping the opponent at ‘arms length’ with quick jabs.
by mythbuster on Aug 23, 2009 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
True, but if you think about it as distance from vulnerable areas, head mainly, then you have to take into account shoulder width to some extent.
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by iiowyn on Aug 23, 2009 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ll take your word on it. I have never boxed so can only go by things I hear or read.
by mythbuster on Aug 23, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Neither do I, unless you count shadow boxing. I beat the crap out of the pull cords for the ceiling fan!
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by iiowyn on Aug 24, 2009 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Torres made the mistake of chasing Bowles rather than stay back and picking him apart after he hurt him.
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by iiowyn on Aug 22, 2009 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still have it on my DVR so I will watch it again later, but as I recall Bowles completely dominated. He got a takedown and eventually KO him. From my memory, Torres didn’t have any threatening offense to speak of, and instead looked helpless against Bowles.
It’s been a while since I saw it so I could be wrong, but thats my recollection.
by mythbuster on Aug 22, 2009 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you're wrong
Torres cracked Bowles and had him stunned but made the mistake of chasing him going in for the kill and Bowles caught him coming in.
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by Kid Nate on Aug 22, 2009 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Torres went to grab the back of Bowles’ head for an uppercut and Bowles had recovered by then and hit him with a nice hook. Reach don’t mean much when you are in clinch range.
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by iiowyn on Aug 22, 2009 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right
That part I remember, that was the very end of the fight. But before than, Bowles had rocked Torres and had taken him down. Bowles dominated the fight, except for the moment that Torres’ punch landed, and Bowles recovered quickly and fully enough to take advantage of Torres aggression.
by mythbuster on Aug 23, 2009 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wingspan is a good stat to know and does give the longer fighter an advantage but if you don’t know the proper way to use it effectively it’s not as useful.
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by ufc4 on Aug 22, 2009 8:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
How long until he KO’s someone with his groin?
by Danny Dangerously on Aug 22, 2009 8:19 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Spinning groin
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by ufc4 on Aug 23, 2009 12:12 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
If you remember, or want to go back to the Dana says carwin hates lesnar thread, I actually told all you that he was there for about a few days actually I was up there his first day. And he hasn’t trained with rashad, jardine or Nate yet just gsp and some of the lesser known guys since Greg is focusing on Nate And Jardine right now.
But in the circles Jones did he was impressive, standing next to him demonstrates what sort of length this guy truly has
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by xtremecouture on Aug 22, 2009 9:22 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
i don't think
they’re going to give jon jones a top 10 guy in his next couple of fights,
listening to dana, you get the impression that the ufc brass really thinks jones is a future champ in the lhw/hw division, and they’re going to give him every chance to mature
as a fighter
by theblade on Aug 23, 2009 2:36 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
OT but
are those your dogs? They are beautiful.
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