The Mystery Surrounding DREAM.12
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The Mystery Surrounding DREAM.12
Due to DREAM.11 being pushed back from September 23 to October 6, DREAM will now be hosting two events in October, with only 19 days separating the two. Here is some info via NightmareOfBattle on DREAM.12:
It was announced today that DREAM.12 on October 25th will take place at the Osaka Castle Hall in Osaka. DREAM EP Sasahara said that the card is currently being worked on but fighters from Osaka like Yoshiro Maeda are being considered. He also mentioned Kazushi Sakuraba as a potential participant.
DREAM is returning to the Osaka Hall since their monumental LW GP finale card held at DREAM.5, and I believe they are looking for a little bit of the magic to return for DREAM.12. The second big announcement surrounding DREAM.12 was the DREAM/Strikeforce alliance and the possibility of seeing some DREAM/Strikeforce matchups in this event. DREAM EP Sasahara flew to the states to meet with Strikeforce president Scott Coker to discuss Strikeforce fighters and Fedor.
Sasahara is leaving to America tomorrow and his goal is that he wants to announce the whole cooperation deal with Strikeforce and negotiate about fighters (Fedor included).
Sasahara revealed that the plan is for Strikeforce fighters to participate as soon as DREAM.12. They want to invite both fighters who haven’t fought in Japan before, and fighters who have had activity in the past and are still doing their best today. He thinks they will be champion class. They are also considering Alistair Overeem.
More after the jump...
The last announcement that was made by Sasahara has more than intrigued MMA fans around the world, and that is his cryptic innuendos of some sort of Ring/Cage hybrid that has never been done in MMA before but it is not the first of its kind in Japan.
Sasahara says that he really wants to say something. He says that he is thinking about various [a word which could mean device, mechanism, half done, etc.]. Anyway, it’s a big surprise. He says that it’s a 70% chance that it will happen. He also said: “It’s not the first of its kind in Japan but…”.
Some sites give more detail than others which I find strange. According to sportsnavi Sasahara said that it is something that have been in Pro-Wrestling and the like before. For example something similar to establishing both a ring and cage. Expect something next week.
The DREAM.12 promo was released today, and as promised, more information about this Ring/Cage hybrid was available in the promo.
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Many fans were left wondering what it all means. When it mentions the UFC in the bottom figure above, it says "Its not in the UFC". Other text in the video says "violence", "game held with the Emperor in attendance". Sakuraba in the video (from the last event) says: "It's useless to escape"/"I must not escape".
Here is NOB's interpretation:
DREAM has put up a promo video of DREAM.12 on their YouTube channel and it contains the management discussing the “experiment” of DREAM.12 that was hinted at last week. It might be a change of the fighting surface.
However, in the video it says: “not in the UFC”, “violence”, etc. So could it be the introduction of soccer kicks and stomps in DREAM? But Sasahara said last week that it will be the first of its kind in MMA.
Sakuraba in the video (from the last event) says: “It’s useless to escape”/”I must not escape”. You can’t escape from a cage?
From the video, we can assume that a future matchup of Alvarez vs Kikuno may take place in DREAM.12. Also, the "violence" theme comes up a lot, which could mean a change in the rules perhaps? Vale Tudo Japan was rumored around a bit, and having old PRIDE rules may provide the same feel along with the new fight ring/cage. The video promo also made it seem like what they were going to do for DREAM.12 would be too "violent" for tv. We can also assume that Fedor will be in attendance for the show.
Finally, Strikeforce was set to have a HUGE show in October, and at the time I believed it would be a CBS show back when it was being rumored, but it looks like it could be a co-promotion with DREAM. CBS seems to not have ruled that out yet.
Kelly Kahl, Senior Executive Vice President for CBS Primetime TV, said he "wouldn’t rule out" a Strikeforce show on CBS late this year. He said his network had no direct hand in the Emelianenko deal, but stood to gain from it with options the network held to broadcast Strikeforce events.
Scott Coker also mentioned that there could be a co-promotion with DREAM soon.
"In Strikeforce, we're committed to putting on the best fights that we can," Coker said. "They have a lot of great fighters in DREAM, and we'll be able to test the best fighters in Strikeforce against the best fighters in DREAM. Hopefully we'll be in Japan doing a co-promotion in relatively short time.
Strikeforce October Rumored Participants: Jacare, Jake Shields, Roger Gracie, Brett Rogers, Matt Lindland, Robbie Lawler, Fedor's debut.
DREAM.12 October Participants: Paulo Filho, Katsunori Kikuno, Yoshiro Maeda, Andrews Nakahara, Alistair Overeem, Murilo Rua, Kazushi Sakuraba, Kiyoshi Tamura, Eddie Alvarez, Mayhem Miller, Nick Diaz. Super Hulk Tournament: Gegard Mousasi vs Rameau Sokoudjou, Minowaman vs HMC.
Another key note here is that DREAM.11 will be televised on TBS on PRIMETIME in Japan. On the other hand, DREAM.12 will not be shown on TBS, which means there is always the option for this event to be televised on PPV in Japan and still have some sort of co-promotion with Strikeforce. Many questions still hover around this event, and after the release of their latest promo, more questions are now being asked than ever.
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Cage Force already has a cage and they are based in Japan.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Aug 21, 2009 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Pro wrestling cage match. Covered, high walls etc.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
A cover wouldn’t be a cage match. Cage matches have open tops. The WWE thing with the covered top would be “Hell in a Cell”
But yes, I was thinking it would be a cage with a top on it. The top would obviously be a visual thing only with no real application toward an mma bout.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 21, 2009 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Ray Sefo To Make Strikeforce Debut On Sept. 25
http://thegarv.com/strikeforce/thegarv-exclusive-ray-sefo-vs-kevin-jordan-strikeforce-sept-25/
Here at TheGARV.com we pride ourselves on breaking big MMA news stories, and this one’s a doozy. It appears that Ray "Sugarfoot" Sefo will be making his Strikeforce debut September 25th in Tulsa, Oklahoma on the undercard of Showtime’s Tim Kennedy vs. Zak Cummings fight.
Sefo, the legendary kickboxer, made his MMA debut in 2005, knocking out Min Soo Kim with one of his patented head kicks. Returning to the cage, Sefo will be taking on very tough Kevin "The Shaman" Jordan. Jordan, a veteran of the UFC, is fresh off an explosive three round decision victory over UFC legend Pat Smith.
Although this fight is not yet signed, sources close to Jordan say that a verbal agreement is in place and it’s a go.
On the somewhat related but not really post of the day.
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by MMASuPreMaCy on Aug 21, 2009 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions
If Dream goes with some cage/ring hybrid, they’ll take over IFL and EliteXC’s position as the laughing stock of MMA.
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by Mike Fagan on Aug 21, 2009 8:20 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
That position is spoken for so long as War Gods exists.
by Chris Nelson on Aug 21, 2009 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions
How dare you.
I specializes in grammar fail.
by a tommy point on Aug 21, 2009 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t understand.
Why would they suddenly be the laughing stock of MMA if they go to a cage? If it was some sort of hybrid, I could see that, but if it was a straight cage… what’s the problem?
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by Leland Roling on Aug 21, 2009 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions
if it is a normal cage then i think it would be great..
but if it’s like this, or a hex ring, then yeah, laughing stock..
by Anton Tabuena on Aug 21, 2009 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, because that’s what I meant.
If they do this…. then yes… laughing stock is the correct phrase.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 21, 2009 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions
When you say cage and something that’s been done in pro wrestling but not in mma, this is the first thing that popped into my mind, anyway.
It would be an hysterically awful idea. The ropes are still there, so it wouldn’t really do anything but make it impossible for the people outside the ring help people get untangled from teh ropes.
I think going to a cage is great. I said it would be retarded if they went with a “cage/ring hybrid.”
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In august of 2007 they got a court to stop Total Fighting Alliance to stop using one.
It’s all a matter of perspective and who the UFC lets do things and who they decide to stop with.
If they have a way to fuck with Dream, they will, they’re big enough and pissed Dana off enough that they’ll do something about it.
Oh yeah
I forgot about that case.
Fair enough, they probably won’t be using an octagon then.
It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.
An 8-sided ring is not the same as an 8-sided cage though. The UFC owns the trademark to the 8-sided cage, and the name “Octagon”. That’s it.
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An 8-sided ring!
All the usual problems of MMA in a ring, only with twice as many guys standing around to pull on the ropes!
Brilliant!
It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.
In Japan?
Like they give a shit about that law in Japan. Give me a break.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 21, 2009 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Many people will whine when they get an injuction to stop people from showing it on TV in the US, there are laws in the world.
If it was just as easy as just go to Japan and tell them to go fuck themselves Randy vs Fedor would have happened a long time ago, and Pride would be called Dream.
They don’t have an American TV contract. I think you’re overthinking this.
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And I’m not overthinking anything, I just made a statement, then Leland came in spouting nonsense about what laws they give a shit about in Japan.
If they didn’t give a shit about this type of shit in Japan, things would be very different.
So you spouted something, and his spouting is nonsense? Very informed.
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Saying that they don’t care about that law in Japan is nonsense.
If they didn’t care about Zuffa’s trademarks, why aren’t they using them already? Why aren’t they using the Pride one’s? Why limit it only to trademarks, why didn’t they just have Randy vs Fedor over there already?
I swear to you if they do a WCW-style "WarGames" setup, I will be both thilled and appalled in equal measure.
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It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.
Glad Kikuno will be on the DREAM.12 card.
I don’t think he’ll get his wish of fighting for the title on NYE, but I do think he’ll go 5-0 for the year.
Please bring back the Hex. The fans demand it!
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Welcome to reality….
Strikeforce doesn’t have enough fighters to fill in their own cards right now. If they send them to Japan, it’s only going to be worse….
Doesn’t that work both ways though? Can’t they use guys to fill their depth holes over here.
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Wouldn’t that just cancel everything out?
by MMAWrestling on Aug 21, 2009 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions
It doesn’t cancel each other other out.
The guys Strikeforce has are more known in America. The guys DREAM has are more known in Japan. Switching them only sells them to a fanbase who knows less about them. Not exactly smart.
by AlwaysRelaxing on Aug 22, 2009 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
A Couple Of Things...
1) No one knows what it is going to be yet, it could very well be a cage or a different type of ring.
2) A 6 sided cage is what Strikeforce uses.
3) It could be some special way for the co-promoted events so that one fighter doesn’t have the advantage over the other. This could be an indication of Strikeforce fighters fighting in DREAM or a co-promoted event.
I don’t really think either fighter has an advantage in either fighting surface, as long as both fighters know what it will be and what the rules are in the lead up to the fight, there’s no real advantage. If you’re used to fighting in a cage and take a fight in a ring but don’t prepare for it, tough. Same goes the other way.
I don’t really think they necessarily need to do a cage because of strikeforce. The rules are different, the round length is different, the judging method and criteria are different. What’s one more difference?
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The UFC better watch its back… the strikeforce-dream alliance just added a third party… YAMMA!!!
I can just imagine all the dream match-ups these three companies could provide to all us hardcore fans.
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by phreakonature on Aug 22, 2009 5:08 AM EDT up reply actions
I got Somewhat Of An Update:
But yeah, I’ve been hearing rumors here since Dream 8 that they’ve wanted to try out a cage and that it would be first tested by Shigeru Saeki in Deep before Dream tried it out. Seeing as Deep is this weekend, and there’s no cage, I’m not sure what happened to that plan… I wonder if Saeki will still try it out sometime before Dream 12?
There is of course the possibility that they are just being literal in the youtube clip. Like, “not in the UFC” could just mean “not an octagon,” but doesn’t necessarily preclude it being a cage or a variation thereof.
Someone posted here earlier that it could be like the thunderdome, and I can totally see that happening. Could you imagine that kind of wildness? A cage that completely encapsulates the fighting area in chain link.
From Japan MMA Correspondent Tony Loiseleur
Well, take this for what you will, but when I interviewed Akiyama several months ago, I asked him how he thought Japanese fans would react to having a UFC in Japan and Korea.
He basically said that he was worried about the “the image of the cage” and that it had an “image of violence” in this part of the world. But despite that and all the promotional politics, he’d like to see the UFC hold an event in Japan anyway, and looks forward to the day that they come to S.Korea.
So, at least from the words of the Sexyama himself, “cage” = “violence” down here.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Aug 22, 2009 5:26 AM EDT up reply actions
That's not Hardcore
In Japan…This is Hardcore!



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by RoyalB on Aug 22, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Question:
If you are going to basically threaten a competing organization, isn’t it a smart idea to do it in their own language so they can understand it?
DREAM = THE FAIL!!!!
Uh, who’s threatening anyone?
Your weirdly antagonistic posts = the fail.
by Chris Nelson on Aug 22, 2009 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
This goes for 99% of his posts.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Aug 22, 2009 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Its going to be half ring and half cage!
by TennesseeTopTeam on Aug 22, 2009 7:44 PM EDT reply actions
If I know Japan, this new device will be from my nightmares.
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IMO the only way Overeem is going to fight Fedor is overseas, I don’t think the cage idea will be enjoyable to watch. Do any of these promotions test these ideas? or do they throw shit together and hope it works?
They use smaller promotions to test it out. DREAM was going to use DEEP to test this cage out, but not so sure anymore.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Aug 23, 2009 5:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Dream is getting desperate
Just like IFL did before they died, or yamma did before they even got started. This is the hex plus the yamma times a thousand plus nine.
The Super Hulk tourney was another sign of this.
Only thing is, in Japan, these desperate measures might get them somewhere.
Speaking of the super hulk tourney, what is its status right now? Is Gegard coming back to fight Hong Duk Dong or what?
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Ring/Cage hybrid?
Why not just get rid of the ring altogether? MMA is meant to be in a cage. Please don’t tell me the stale “Wrestlers benefit from a cage because they just stuff their opponents into the fence.” Please, like that never happens in a ring, when they stuff their opponents into the corners and we see 15 minutes of standing in the clinch. Also, there’s nothing more annoying than “restarts.” Stop don’t move! Stop don’t move! Get that shit outta here man.
by I Can't Feel My Face on Aug 23, 2009 4:13 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Meant to be in a cage?
Shooto, the oldest pro MMA organization, disagrees.
I always kind of liked the restarts myself… puts a dent in the notion of the sport being barbaric when the fighters can stop on command and gingerly reposition themselves in the center of the ring. Comes off as real civilized to me.
I never saw the stops as civilized at all, to me they looked horrendous both in the time they wasted and the fact that they gave fighters “time outs” while they moved around and tried to mimic the position. Gave the sport an amateurish and not well thought out feel. Never cared for the fact that a ring allows guys to get cornered either but then as far as fans watching a fight goes a ring is much better for that.
I really hope this is just a regular cage..
I really dislike restarts and people putting their heads out of the ropes when in trouble, to get a restart..
please oh please don’t make it a WWE ring/cage combo. please pleaseeee..
In my personal fantasy world..
Its a 6 sided cage with Pride rules +elbows!!!





















