Dana White: Shane Carwin Hates Brock Lesnar
by Luke Thomas on Aug 21, 2009 10:34 AM EDT
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This is obviously dripping with promotional shtick, but it's worth acknowledging how the UFC will sell and position this fight. Once again, the MMA vs. pro wrestling undercurrent is in full effect:
"Brock is ready to go now and wants to fight," said White. "Carwin makes the most sense. He’s 11-0, and he’s been kicking the [expletive] out of everybody. [Gabriel] Gonzaga destroyed [Mirko] Cro Cop and he [Carwin] totally destroyed Gonzaga. Plus, he hates Brock Lesnar."
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"The flipping off of the fans that just lined your pocket with millions of dollars is just lame," Carwin said in the week after UFC 100. "He may be a champion, but he has a long ways to go before he earns the respect of a champion. The fans are why we do this, Brock. This sport is not about fat paychecks and drama. It is about hard work and sacrifice for a shot to do what you did [that] night. It doesn’t matter how much money you make if you can’t earn your peers’ respect and the respect and love of the greatest sporting fans in the world."
Carwin also played the pro wrestling card – the profession Lesnar garnered celebrity status in between 2002-2004 – which seemed to get under Lesnar’s skin when played in prior matches by Heath Herring and Mir.
"We have no scripts in this sport, no predetermined earning amount and no predetermined outcomes," Carwin wrote. "It doesn’t matter if you win or lose, it matters how you win or lose."
"He hates Brock Lesnar," said White. "It’s going to be two huge guys going at it. He’s got the power to knock anybody out and he’s got great wrestling too. He’s one of the guys that has the size to match up with Brock, too. This is one of those fights that could be wild. Someone’s going to get their head knocked off."
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brock flipped off the crowd
because they were booing him after he just beat the hell out of murrrrrrrrrrr. I would flip them off too. Brock isn’t trying to play the heel, but fans are making him into one, and its unfortunate.
Unfortunate for shane too, because i think a well motivated, in shape brock is probably the single scariest thing to see inside an octagon
Really? I thought they were booing him for acting like a tool after he beat the hell out of Mir. I seem to remember some kind of “Who’s the F’Ing Man?” screams and some trash talking at Mir after Brock destroyed him.
Reasonable fans can disagree on whether the post fight antics were fine or not. But I’m fairly certain that the booing was not really related to Brock just winning the fight.
by Kierkegaard on Aug 21, 2009 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions
You're wrong
The arena was filled with boos waaay before the fight even started (as he was coming to the cage) and continued after he won. There’s only so much a person can take. So yea, I would have flipped them off too.
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That could be because of the way he acted after the Herring fight too. And his rampant homophobia. And his uber-ego, And… well, you know what I’m saying.
all valid points
but he’s not the only UFC fighter with an ego the size of the Titanic. He seems to be a serious student of the game and that’s really all I care about.
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crap
I didn’t actually mean to post that. :(
oh well. :)
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Most UFC fighters are serious students of the game. The rest of my points remain tho.
But, and I don’t mean this offensively, I don’t blame you. There are so many Brock apologists here. I guess the guy is just charismatic and people want to like him despite all the negatives.
If even half of the standards that are applied to people like Mir and Bisping were also applied to Lesnar, he would be the most hated man but instead people defend him like he’s a little lamb being attacked by a pack of wolves. I don’t understand it, but I recognize the reality of it :)
There are just as many people here who hate Brock as those who like him, don’t try and pretend otherwise.
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by ufc4 on Aug 21, 2009 10:49 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Oh no doubt, probably even more.
But the Brock supporters here are by far the more vocal ones and take it extremely personal.
don't kid yourself
the nay sayers take it just as personal, if not moreso. lol
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I’ll agree there seem to be more now than before. I credit that to some recent changes to the site (for the better IMO), but hopefully it evens out :)
You mean..
…the change involving the banning of subo? ;)
As a decided not-fan of Brock I may be wearing colored glasses, but the pro-Brock contingent seems to contain a higher number of… younger and less polished internet users. If you see what I mean.
I’m not saying that everyone who likes Brock is a 16-year-old kid who thinks “LOLFAG” is a greeting, I’m just saying that it seems like more of those kids are his fans than his detractors. You know? But again – could just be my perspective.
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Most UFC fighters are serious students of the game.
Maybe I should clarify what I meant by that. Too many Brock haters (no disrespect to you) seem to have this notion that he is simply in the UFC for the fame and the money (see Carwin’s “fat paycheck” comment) when the reality of it is he just wants to learn the game and fight. I would disagree that MOST UFC fighters are serious students of the game in the way that Lesnar has demonstrated.
I think what you are missing is that there is a MUCH more scrutinizing eye on Brock at ALL times unlike Mir or Bisping. Lesnar was counted out before he even started. When he lost to Mir the haters came out the woodworks claiming that he was a sham. When he came back and destroyed Herring the haters ignored the dominant performance and concentrated on the post fight antics. When he beat Randy and was respectful to him afterwards no one seemed to care.
Your argument seems to be “But he’s such a bad guy!” and quite frankly, there are a lot of douche bags in not only the UFC but in sports in general. They will always have fans who root for them despite the “negatives” and THAT is the reality of it. :)
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seem to have this notion that he is simply in the UFC for the fame and the money
Could be because it was his first choice, after pro wrestling, pro football, pro wrestling in Japan and finally the UFC when they paid him enough. Not saying it’s true, just looks a lot like it.
I would disagree that MOST UFC fighters are serious students of the game in the way that Lesnar has demonstrated.
I would disagree with this extremely. I would say most top fighters are as serious, or more, than Brock. They have to be or they aren’t top anymore (exception: BJ Penn). Sanchez, GSP, Koschek.. the list can seriously go on of fighters who take it very seriously.
Lesnar was counted out before he even started.
Actually he tapped out 1:30 after he started. (I joke I joke… relax :) <— but it does kind of go to my point. That little comment would get people all sorts of upset, yet the many pages of people gleefully talking about how badly Mir and Bisping got beat up is fine. Brock is held to a much lower standard than those guys to some fans.
When he came back and destroyed Herring the haters ignored the dominant performance and concentrated on the post fight antics. When he beat Randy and was respectful to him afterwards no one seemed to care.
1: Post-Fighter Herring – That’s his own fault for acting that way. When you act like an ass, it tends to over shadow what you were doing before.
2: No one cared that he was respectful to Randy because thats how humans are supposed to act. Reminds me of a Chris Rock joke about people wanting credit for normal things. "I take care of my kids! “You’re supposed to take care of your kids. You want a cookie or something?”
Your argument seems to be "But he’s such a bad guy!" and quite frankly, there are a lot of douche bags in not only the UFC but in sports in general. They will always have fans who root for them despite the "negatives" and THAT is the reality of it. :)
I haven’t called him a douche bag in a long time, and I won’t now. But at least you admit that you think he is and root for him anyway ;)
by mythbuster on Aug 21, 2009 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Look
You are obviously hell bent on convincing everyone that Brock is a bad person or whatever. You are free to have your opinion on the man as much as I’m free to think your reasoning is seriously skewed. ;)
Now where’s my money?
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I have your money! I just need a few days to get it.
and also, you said Brock is a bad person. I happen to agree :)
and also, you said Brock is a bad person. I happen to agree :)
reeeeeeeally? where did i say that? lol
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Your argument seems to be “But he’s such a bad guy!” and quite frankly, there are a lot of douche bags in not only the UFC but in sports in general. They will always have fans who root for them despite the “negatives” and THAT is the reality of it. :)
Just up above.
I'm confused
I don’t see anywhere in there where I said Brock was a “bad person”… is it invisible? It IS! It must be… right?
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Am I mistaken or did you not admit that Brock is a bad person, and that despite being a bad person people will still root for him?
If not, why did you write that? Random thought to keyboard transference? 
Am I mistaken or did you not admit that Brock is a bad person, and that despite being a bad person people will still root for him?
LOL No, as a matter of fact I did not. You still can’t seem to find where I actually said that and I am pretty sure where you got confoosed.
I do admit that he is a douche bag here:
there are a lot of douche bags in not only the UFC but in sports in general
I don’t think being a douche necessarily makes you a “bad person” and you seemed to skim completely over the actual point which was Brock is not some sort of pioneer of douche bags in MMA. Far from it. But you act like he is and… Oh forget it. You’re going to just pick out what you want to nit pick on and ignore the rest anyway. LOL
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errr
ok you win. You think Brock is a douche but not a bad person, and despite being a douche people will still root for him, but you never said that. Got it.
* streeeeetch *
WHAT???
You, my friend, are crazy.
That is EXACTLY what I said:
Your argument seems to be "But he’s such a bad guy!" and quite frankly, there are a lot of douche bags in not only the UFC but in sports in general. They will always have fans who root for them despite the "negatives" and THAT is the reality of it. :)
Let me know if you want me to break it down for you sentence by sentence. But again, it will be pretty pointless.
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tiger, when you said:
Your argument seems to be “But he’s such a bad guy!” and quite frankly, there are a lot of douche bags in not only the UFC but in sports in general. They will always have fans who root for them despite the “negatives” and THAT is the reality of it. :)
myth took your transition from him arguing that Lesnar is “a bad guy” to “there are a lot of douche bags” to mean that you were acknowledging that Lesnar is, in fact, one of them. Maybe you meant that, maybe you didn’t. But I’m pretty sure that’s where he got the whole thinking that you had agreed Lesnar is a bad guy or a douche bag or whatever from.
by Kierkegaard on Aug 21, 2009 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Thanks Kierkegaard
I already pointed that out several posts up. :)
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Wow.
See … there are so many pointless replies by all of us on this stuff that I missed that one entirely!
… carry on, then?
by Kierkegaard on Aug 21, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
LOL
No problem! Completely understandable… it seems Lesnar brings out the worst/best in all of us. ;)
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When he came back and destroyed Herring the haters ignored the dominant performance and concentrated on the post fight antics.
Dominant performance? Well, in the same way that the first 3 rounds of Kenny holding BJ up against the cage was dominant. I mean, he did sit on the guy for 3 rounds and punch him in the face once.
I think the reason people concentrated on his asshole behavior is that the fight was – barring that first punch which got plenty of press – an absolute snoozefest. Yes?
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Dominant performance? Well, in the same way that the first 3 rounds of Kenny holding BJ up against the cage was dominant. I mean, he did sit on the guy for 3 rounds and punch him in the face once.
Gotta call you on this one dude, BJ looked bored defending against Kenny. Herring was turtled up and completely unable to do anything against Brock while his broken face swelled and bled.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
But do you disagree with my central premise that there was nothing to celebrate in that fight outside the first punch?
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Only the most lopsided 3 round ass kicking I’ve ever seen.
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Words like “lopsided,” “ass kicking,” “domination” – that fight was one dude cradling another dude for 15 minutes. Blech.
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Agreed
If you shatter someone’s orbital socket and then can’t finish them for 3 rounds…you haven’t dominated anything.
BOOSH
These people aren’t apologists. They admonish his shitty behavior and enjoy watching him fight. You can’t seem to decide what you don’t like about him; how he fights, his size/athleticism & your suggestion that it’s cheating (though it is legal, and could be considered fighter bashing), or his character & social leaning; but you are constantly perpetuating the vitriol of all threads involving him by puffing your chest out before any stones are thrown. You started accusing people of feasting on Carwin’s flesh and bones before a single disparaging comment was made, thus motivating the very behavior you suggest you are trying to prevent.
I’ve long maintained that it’s your prerogative to not like Brock, for whatever reason, and it’s clear that that will likely never change. But then you should expect people to engage you on your constant and vehement commentary regarding him, and stop acting like a victim because you have an unpopular stance about something.
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by Blackout612 on Aug 21, 2009 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
be careful
mythbuster. You’re treading on dangerous water here with your talk. It’s almost in line with * gasp * trolling.
Learn to agree to disagree and everything is cool. Otherwise, you could be shown the door out of here real quick.
After the first fight with Mir he was booed even though he was respectful
by dancingChicken on Aug 21, 2009 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Enough with this "homophobia" business!!!
It’s HIS RIGHT to hate whomever or whatever types of people he wants. It’s a semi-free country.
I don’t like certain types of people myself and I bet there are many here that have their own arguments and complaints against others, too.
by the way, Brock isn’t going out of his way to continuously bash anyone who is of a different ethnicity, gender, or has a different “preference”…. It would be one thing if he went on TV and said “blahblahblah..homo…blahblahblah..” but he didn’t. Or maybe he did? So why didn’t GLAAD get involved? Probably because this so-called alleged “Homophobia” of Brock’s NEVER OCCURRED!!
its funny how Cyborg handled the booing from the crowd so much more gracefully when she beat gina… she just rose her hands up and celebrated and smiled.
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Well..
Cyborg is just too kind-hearted for her own good. :)
Maybe if they started hurling insults at her and call her FAT or FUGLY or a $2 ‘Ho, then perhaps she’d go BROCK on their butts…..
But in all seriousness, I think the fans were more disappointed with Gina losing and them having to look at Cyborg’s Not-so-attractive face being the “face” of Women’s MMA.
Brock isn’t trying to play the heel, but fans are making him into one, and its unfortunate.
Yeah, he is. Why wouldn’t he want to play the heel? He’s done it in the WWE, and it’ll only make him even more money.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 21, 2009 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Exactly
If he’s not and he’s just a dick, it’s worse.
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by Blackout612 on Aug 21, 2009 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
What if...
Brock likes playing “the heel” AND is a Dick?
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I don’t think Shane is a bad person or anything but I hope Brock destroys him. That blog post after UFC 100 directed at B-Rock (as I will be calling him from now on) was absolute bullshit and some keyboard warrior shit if I’ve seen it. It was totally and blatantly in an effort to create some sort of false controversy between himself an B-Rock. First off, how many times has B-Rock said he doesn’t even have the interwebs in his home?? Everyone knows that. It’s been mentioned in behind the scenes coverage of his training as well as on countdowns. So, if Shane REALLY wanted to let B-Rock know how he felt about his performance maybe he should have chosen a way that would have actually gotten the message to him. And seriously?? B-Rock is doing it for the “fat paychecks”?? Christ.
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There’s definitely some validity to the notion that Carwin wasn’t putting it on there in hopes that Brock would “see” it and that there was likely an air of promotion to doing it in the first place. But I don’t think you can pull the “keyboard warrior” card with a guy who is asking to get in there and fight and actually is doing it. Keyboard warriors are more like those of us on here who call out fighters knowing that we’ll never have to man up and face them inside the octagon.
by Kierkegaard on Aug 21, 2009 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions
It was smack talk directed AT someone
Knowing that person would never see it. Maybe “keyboard warrior” isn’t the right term for it, but it was pretty fucking lame.
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Do you think Brock is unaware of it? I mean, I get that he may not have actually logged onto twitter and read it, but I can’t imagine in your wildest dreams that Brock hasn’t seen what Carwin said. And I can’t imagine that Carwin ever thought Brock would never see it.
Frankly, I thought it was absolutely right on at the time. And the fact that Carwin is stepping up to fight Lesnar immediately only further indicates to me that it’s about as far from a “keyboard warrior” moment as you can get. It’s not only not the right term for it, but it isn’t even close. And if you’re basing calling it “lame” on some notion that he said it without thinking it would get back to Brock, I can’t even fathom why you’d think that’s the case.
by Kierkegaard on Aug 21, 2009 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
really?
And if you’re basing calling it "lame" on some notion that he said it without thinking it would get back to Brock, I can’t even fathom why you’d think that’s the case.
There are a lot of fighters who don’t bother to read what is said about them. Somehow it’s hard to fathom that Brock would be one of those people? Have you seen where he lives?? I don’t even think God can get to him there.
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If there’s one thing that I feel pretty sure is accurate about Brock Lesnar it’s that he cares very much what other heavyweights who are potential opponents say about him. He appears to use it as motivation. It’s not a bad thing. But I’d bet you a donut that he knows exactly what Shane Carwin said about him after the Mir fight. And I wouldn’t be even the slightest bit surprised if Carwin expected it to get back to Brock.
You’ve said “keyboard warrior” was a bad choice of words. But you’re still arguing that Carwin was exactly that — posting something without thinking he’d actually have to back it up or that it would get back to the person he called out. I just really disagree with that characterization in this instance.
by Kierkegaard on Aug 21, 2009 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
No
You said:
If there’s one thing that I feel pretty sure is accurate about Brock Lesnar it’s that he cares very much what other heavyweights who are potential opponents say about him.
No doubt. That’s pretty obvious. But that’s not what I said. I said:
who don’t bother to read what is said about them
And you defined what a “keyboard warrior” was here:
Keyboard warriors are more like those of us on here who call out fighters knowing that we’ll never have to man up and face them inside the octagon.
I acknowledge it was the wrong term because what I was saying does not fit that definition, so how exactly am I “you’re still arguing that Carwin was exactly that”?
Of course he is going to get into the cage and “try” to back it up! That’s why the term “keyboard warrior” was not the right term. Christ…
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Easy, tiger. :)
You’ve basically been arguing from the beginning here that Carwin was “lame” for calling Lesnar out in a way that, according to your first post in this little string, was not a way that would have actually gotten the message to Lesnar. You called him a keyboard warrior for that. Even though you’ve acknowledged that’s not the right word, you seem to still be arguing that Carwin said something without thinking it’d get back to Lesnar. That’s why I’m saying you seem to still be arguing he’s a keyboard warrior while also agreeing that’s not the right word.
Whatever you want to call it, I think it’s ridiculous to suggest that Carwin said (or typed) anything at all without knowing full well that Lesnar would find out about it or to suggest that Lesnar actually wouldn’t find out about it or that he doesn’t care what’s being said about him by other fighters. You seem to be clinging to your argument that Carwin didn’t think it’d get back to Lesnar.
by Kierkegaard on Aug 21, 2009 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
I guess that Lesnar has an agent, manager or someone else that is keeping him updated.
Someone in his camp must have access to the internet… :)
by dancingChicken on Aug 21, 2009 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Wow...
you seem to still be arguing that Carwin said something without thinking it’d get back to Lesnar
Posting something on a blog post about someone who does not read blogs is very lame. But it’s not just that it was about B-Rock, it was directed TO him. I’m sure he will (or already has) hear(d) about it through the grapevine. But I just think it was such a LAME tactic. It got him (Carwin) exactly what he wanted. He got a title shot and us spending way too much time talking about it. Is it November yet?? :(
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What did you want him to do? Call him up? He re-iterated it in interviews afterward as well. It was pretty public.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 21, 2009 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Fair enough. I still don’t really “get” why you think it’s lame that he posted it on twitter, but there’s no rule that says we all have to understand everything about everyone else’s opinions, right? :)
Doesn’t Lesnar have a twitter name, too? I mean, I doubt he’s the one posting on it, but I’m pretty sure he does … dclesnar or something like that? Maybe that’s part of why Carwin put it on twitter — to direct it right to Lesnar’s twitter account? I don’t know. But Carwin twitters quite a bit, so I guess I just figured he was putting his opinion out there, more so than deciding to use a blog post about someone who doesn’t read blogs, especially given that there is zero chance it wasn’t getting back to Lesnar very quickly.
Like you — can’t wait for November now.
by Kierkegaard on Aug 21, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
I thought it was a blog post?
That’s a lot of text for a Twitter post…
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You might be right — I thought he first said something about it on twitter, but I could be way off on that.
by Kierkegaard on Aug 21, 2009 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Lesnar doesn’t twitter. The only reason he has a TV is to watch freaking hunting shows!
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Am I just imagining that there is a twitter account associated with lesnar? I’m not arguing that he personally twitters, but I’m fairly certain there is such an account. I can’t get on twitter at work, so I can’t verify what I’m thinking of exactly — but I think it’s something along the lines of “dcbrocklesnar” or something like that — anyone?
by Kierkegaard on Aug 21, 2009 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Do you really want to know what’s on Brock Lesnar’s mind?
Here’s a preview:
deerts… coors… gays… penis tattoo… crossbow… murrrrr… brock smash… get on top of wife… woooooo… ball peen hammer… murrrrrr…
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that isn't brock..
that’s just his sponsors/management tweeting for him.. the guy doesn’t even have internet at home.
by Anton Tabuena on Aug 21, 2009 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
How can you claim his comments were “keyboard warrior” shit when the guy a) fights in the same weight class as Lesnar and could potential fight him b) takes the fight. If Carwin wants to come out and say that preserving the integrity of the sport is important to him and the Penis Chest engages in carnie non-sense, he’s still the guy getting in the octogon. He’s definately “put up” so to speak.
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I disagree with the notion that Brock was never going to hear what Carwin said about him. Just cuz he has no Internet doesn’t mean that nobody around him does. Someone from his camp has a Twitter page, they most likely told him. If not the UFC will sure as hell bring it up when taping the Countdown show.
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by ufc4 on Aug 21, 2009 11:25 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Pfft...
Who cares, man. It worked. Carwin got what he wanted.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 21, 2009 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Blah blah blah Brock used to pro wrestle blah blah blah.
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I’d say once the guy becomes champion with a knockout of Randy Couture and then defends by ripping Mir’s face off…we can stop acting like he is unaware that MMA is “real” and Wrestling is “fake”
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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 21, 2009 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions 13 recs
i’m glad that hardcore fans have finally turned the corner on him, and are finally giving brock some respect… he’s far from a legend yet, but his career is DEFINATELY impressive
by Austin Martin on Aug 21, 2009 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Can’t we just dislike him because he comes across as a tremendous jerk and has a giant penis on his chest? There is really no doubt he’s a talented athlete. The only negative about the WWE thing is his pre and post fight behaviour is ridiculously over the top.
That is his personality…not a “wwe thing”
And if someone chooses to dislike him…that’s totally cool with me honestly. But this chanting of “MMA is real, pro wrestling is fake” is just so lame when the guy is…you know…winning fights in MMA.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 21, 2009 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That doesn’t mean he wasn’t a pro wrestler anymore. People don’t have a problem with mentioning his amateur wrestling or his dalliance into pro football, which were also before his MMA career. It’s only “blah blah” when it’s something bad against him.
his amateur wrestling has a direct correlation to his fighting. I don’t bring up the football thing except to try to get people to stop pretending that he was a monster failure at it.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 21, 2009 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I will green this and add something for mythbuster.
Don’t get all hissy when people call you on your shit. You bring up negative things about Brock every single time the man is mentioned. It is like you cannot help yourself but trash on him. Then you pretend to be victimized because people are tired of you saying the same shit over and over. We get it dude, you don’t have to say it every single post.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Aug 21, 2009 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
Relax. I get it – many of you are Brock fanbois, and I’m not. If you seriously cry this much when I say something negative (yet true…) about him, dunno what to tell you. Should I jump on the BROCKLESNAR bandwagon because you did? No, I don’t think I will.
You know that Bock doesn’t love you, right? Stop taking peoples opinions about him personally and getting all upset about it. He will survive and, as funnytiger points out, he probably doesn’t even know what us internet folks are even saying about it.
So, relax and discuss. If you can’t discuss Lesnar without getting all emotional, then don’t reply when I express my opinions about him. It’s that simple.
you "cry" about the Lesnar fans touting his record and abilities
then get all red in the face trying to poke holes in what they say and then claim they’re the ones crying. rolls eyes
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meh
I’m not bothered by Lesnar. There’s a good chance I will never meet him, and if I did there’s a good chance neither of us would care. My reply was to iiowyn based on his current comment and past ones. He likes to get personal rather than address the points, as you can see by his basically telling me not to express my opinion if it doesn’t fit with his.
Also, put a space between the * and the stuff, like * eyeroll * otherwise the site formats it as bold.
If you're not bothered...
Then why waste all this time replying to people’s posts? lol
- rolls eyes *
Better?
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what the eff??
you lied to me! :(
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1: Its a discussion board. I enjoy discussing it as long as it doesn’t get personal.
2: Close, but when at the beginning of a line you need a space before it too :(
* eyeroll * <— like that. Weird formatting, I know.
Dude, I don’t understand why you get all hellbent about arguing with Brock fans. You have disagreeing stances. Just let it go, you’d save yourself hours of keyboard time.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 21, 2009 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Good point.
Just happens that I’m home not feeling well, so I guess I just feel the need to reply to their replies. But you’re right, it does get pointless after a while.
We know Myth, you hate Brock
& that is totally cool with me. But look how much time & energy you have put into making sure that everyone knows why! It is not like you are going to convince those Lesnar “fanbois” to change their opinions by repeating yours on any post where Lesnar is mentioned.
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^this!
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cop out
No matter how many times I say I don’t hate Brock (hell, I dislike Mayhem Miller more than I dislike Brock) people still want to use that excuse :(
Come on dnevil, the “you’re just a hater” thing.. really?
DUDE!
You have have spent how long on this post writing about everything wrong with Lesnar? Just sayin your point may have been made like 50 posts ago. I dont care at all what your true feelings are for Brock, but it seems obvious by the content of your like 50 posts on here to me. Just sayin. And I do not need to like Brock as a person to enjoy watching him compete, so trust me I am not the “you’re just a hater” guy.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
Errr you know that I’m not talking with myself here, right? I have an opinion, someone disagrees, we discuss. Or I disagree with someones opinion, and we discuss. It isn’t as if I’m creating thread after thread here.
Yes, I don’t like Lesnar and I state why I don’t like him. When people disagree, I argue my case. I don’t think I’ve said anything untrue or unreasonable about him, have I?
Or are you saying I should just shut up and only people who are “Brock Lovers” (as opposed to Brock haters) should speak? Cuz, that probably won’t happen.
Not at all Myth.
I am saying that it is way redundant. You can do whatever you like as you are free to do so. And no I am not saying that only people who like Brock can talk. Hell, I do not care for him personally really but I do not jump any time his name is mentioned to rehash the same points that have been made for what a year now? Yes-Brock hates the gays, was a WWE wrestler & has a penis tattoo on his chest & most definitely can take some lessons in personal behavior from Randy. Did I get it all or should we continue for the remainder of the day? I enjoy your points of view on most issues here & I am cool with you having your opinion. It just seems that when it comes to BJ or Brock it is just a bit much.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
I disagree of course, but I do appreciate you stating your case in a non-personal and non-insulting manner. 
No worries bud.
Your opinions & points are usually quite entertaining & I agree with you on most of them. Feel better bro.
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Clown shoes
Matt Hughes is a misogynist, a racist, a xenophobe, was always an overrated fighter, never fought the top competition in the world, has always been one dimensional, is a dick to fans, is a sore loser, was a huge jerk on TUF*.
*I don’t hate Matt Hughes.
(For reference, I think Matt Hughes isn’t the greatest person in the world, but I do think he was (is?) one of the greatest fighters in the history of the sport. This is merely illustrating a point.)
I STILL poop rainbows.
by Blackout612 on Aug 21, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I get sick of your trolling. It isn’t Brock, it is you. You spam every single post about him with argumentative disrupting comments.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
If you disagree, make your point. Please don’t attack me personally.
Also, disagreeing with you does not equal “argumentative disrupting comments”. There are people who do agree with me, as you see. So, again, make a point or move on. I have done nothing to attack you personally, please don’t do so to me.
Your very first comment on this post was trolling.
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by iiowyn on Aug 21, 2009 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rule #2
Thou shall always mention the *second thing that brought Lesnar his popularity.
(*besides being an NCAA National Champion wrestling phenom, and being hotly pursued for olympic qualifications before deciding to opt for pro wrestling).
I STILL poop rainbows.
by Blackout612 on Aug 21, 2009 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Meh, don’t care about the drummed up drama. Let’s just see the gorillas fight.
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+15
on the pic, that is AWESOME.
Vanilla Gorilla vs. the Manilla Gorilla
by Austin Martin on Aug 21, 2009 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions
this picture kind of scares me... 0_0
I can’t wait for November 21st!!! heheh!
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That's all wrong!
Instead of the Depot, you’ should’ve inserted Carwin’s head on the Gorilla’s ass. That’s where he belongs.
WWE
As long as Brock keeps acting like a WWE wrestler, then he should continue to be treated like one. It’s not that difficult to comprehend, guys.
by NoHo on Aug 21, 2009 10:13 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Everyone seemed to stop bringing up Josh Barnett’s and Ken Shamrock’s pro wrestling background after a while, despite the amount of shit they talked.
by Phildo on Aug 21, 2009 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
how exactly is he acting like a wwe wrestler? except for the fact no matter what he does, even though there are a ton of other fighters who do the same things he does, people are just going to say its because he is an ex-pro wrestler. If people are really intent on wanting to hate him they really need to come up with something else than he used to be in the wwe (which only lasted a couple years and ended years ago) because that argument is really getting old and tiresome
If people are really intent on wanting to hate him they really need to come up with something else than he used to be in the wwe
That’s why no one really uses it. It’s an easy out for Brock fans. People generally dislike him because of what he believes and how he acts. The “because he was in WWE” is a cop out.
How is he acting like a WWE wrestler? Are you kidding me? Did you SEE his post-fight interview?
“I’m gonna drink a Coors light because Bud Light won’t pay me nothing! WWE sniff”
Get outta here with that, “omg how is he acting like a wwe wrestler?” crap.
Like I said, as long as Lesnar is acting like a WWE wrestler, then he’ll continue to be treated like one.
People like to cite the fact that he’s popular but they don’t like it when you cite the reason he is popular.
because professional wrestlers continually talk about sponsors? And Henderson saying he just wanted to shut him up a little longer or anything else anyone else says in post fight interviews is ok but because brock said something about beer hes acting like a wwe wrestler? really? gonna need to dig some more stuff up if you want to keep the wwe thing alive
by brazary on Aug 21, 2009 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Should be a good fight. Rooting for Lesnar though. He’s been a tough, dominating fighter, and some people, fans and fighters alike, are just making too much out of his WWE past and his post-UFC 100 antics. He was a pro wrestler, get over it. He also was an accomplished amateur wrestler, and used those skills to beat up Heath Herring, Randy Couture, and Frank Mir…and maybe soon Shane Carwin as well.
Knock it off. If you want to discuss things…that’s fine but don’t name staff members and put words in their mouth. Next time is a ban, I don’t put up with readers doing the “this is what the staff member says” bullshit.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 21, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
fair enough.
I missed that post by Fagan.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 21, 2009 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Even if it’s a direct quote of that staff member?
by Kierkegaard on Aug 21, 2009 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Can we PLEASE start a petition to get a UFC Primetime for this fight?
Seriously, if they don’t do one for it they are stupid. Someone get a hold of Iole or Cofield so they can ask Dana if they will do one for it.
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
That would be cool. Not sure there is enough footage of Carwin tho, considering how quick he ended his fights. I guess lots of work out videos?
Brock playing
the perfect bad guy is incredibly smart business move. All of his opponents will be the “good” guys trying to beat the “evil” WWE/gay bashing/rude/obtuse UFC undeserving champion. Vince McMahon could not have written a better script.
Tito was the 1st to play the true bad boy and he got rich from doing it. Brock plays the role 100x better than Tito ever could. Every single Brock fight will sell millions because everyone will be wanting to see him lose (or win in my case).
When it comes to business Brock and Dana are cut from the same cloth. Like it or not the succeed because of their drive and win at all cost attitude. Carwin is playing into the hype just like all the keyboard warriors. Mr Lesnar wins before the fight ever starts. Win or lose the saga will grow and gather steam.
the perfect bad guy is incredibly smart business move. All of his opponents will be the "good" guys trying to beat the "evil" WWE/gay bashing/rude/obtuse UFC undeserving champion. Vince McMahon could not have written a better script.
My sentiments exactly. Playing the heel works, and it’s been proven by Tito Ortiz.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 21, 2009 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Speaking of Tito...
…how is it that some people harp on Brock’s antics, but don’t bring up Tito’s? I mean, true, two wrongs don’t make a right, but Brock shooting the finger and dissing bud pales to Tito’s personalized T-shirts (I Killed Kenny; Guy Metzger is my bitch) crotch chops, and overall pre-fight trash talk.
And lest we forget the greatest boxer/self promoter of all time, Ali took his cues from pro wrestling as well. I don’t know if he loved Buddy Rose, but he sure as hell used him as inspiration. And speaking of disrespectful, didn’t Ali almost cause a riot by insulting either Liston or Fraizer during the latter’s public training?
by black dragon on Aug 21, 2009 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Carwin's comments
Putting a little heat on Carwin for a change – he says fighters ought to be fighting “for the fans.” “For the money?” Sure. “For the love of the game?” Why not. “To became the best?” I’ll take that too. But “for the fans?” Really?
Seems to me that’s a concern for the promotion, not the guys in the cage. But I guess that’s why Anderson Silva’s been getting so much heat (prior to Forrest).
Right...
…agreed. Just qualifying – behaving professionally in the cage (or at press conferences), being respectful of your opponent and not dismissng sponsors is what I expect from fighters, more-so than playing to fans when Rogan hands over the mic. Some of that folds into treating fans well. Putting butts in seats is really the promoter’s task.
by E_liminatorjr on Aug 21, 2009 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I see your point
I agree to a degree. In a perfect world that would be the case, but as we see it’s the fighters who bring the eyes who get the title shots and money. Justifiable or not, it’s the way it is. The promoter of course also has to, well, promote the show ;)
Lol. I love when people with power get power trips. One word they don’t agree with and they will ban you. Ha ha.
On a side note away from the childish arguments, Jon Jones had his first day at Jacksons gym today
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by xtremecouture on Aug 21, 2009 12:01 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Like Jon Jones.
Keep firing Assholes!
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by iiowyn on Aug 21, 2009 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well Jacksons has a new bjj coach so Jones was doing a grappling circle. Saw him spar with Nate for a while. Nate is looking exceptional by the way. As is jardine.
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by xtremecouture on Aug 21, 2009 12:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
My suggestion for Jardine, go for the diving punch into guard.
In my opinion, the most under appreciated KO of the year.
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by iiowyn on Aug 21, 2009 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Lol. From what I know don’t be too surprised to see a head kick end thiagos night
And like I said a new bjj coach and some brown belts from black house have been working with Nate.
I know machida embarrassed rashad but Jacksons is going to have a successful end of 09. Except for carwin by the way since Jacksons has nobody who closely can imitate Brock Lesnar
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by xtremecouture on Aug 21, 2009 12:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You meant black belts from brown house…? :)
by dancingChicken on Aug 21, 2009 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
That KO was effing phenominal
The room went from “Hey, Machida’s looking pretty good” to “WOAH!” very quickly.
One thing is certain for this fight-
no one can use the “Brock is just too big & that is why he won”. If he wins that is.
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Absolutely
This is the first fight where he is facing a legit contender, IMO. This is the one I have been calling for (when they were going to feed him Nog or Couture) – so, the chips will fall where they fall.
Maybe not the first legit contender,
but definitely the first where his size/strength difference to his opponent is not that great. Mir was still legit, but Randy was too small & too old.
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hmmm
To be honest, I am split on whether I, personally, think Mir was a legit contender. Everything in me says no since he was expected to lose, but he did win that first fight easily so I should be saying yes.
It confuses me, but for sanity sake I will say that Mir was the closest to a legit contender than Lesnar has faced so far.
Well, Mir was for sure overmatched against Lesnar
but he did beat him once & he has the credentials so you kind of have to call him legit for that.
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You know what, I really don’t like Broc Lesnar but I seriously hope Shane Carwin isn’t going to trash talk him like Mir did… If he does I’m gonna be cheering for Lesnar! Also, I don’t know why anyone was saying they expected Carwin to beat Cain Velasquez in their fight, cos Cain is a warrior and as legitimate a threat to Broc Lesnar that anyone – in fact I think he will be the first person to beat him. That guy is a warrior – to take a 1-2 flush in the face like he did of Knogo and do what he did is amazing!
Cain is listed at 240 lbs (here). Not saying he doesn’t have a chance, but we run into the same problem as the others. Carwin is the only person close to Brocks size and athleticism so far, and I think probably has the best chance to beat him.
Kongo lost that fight, if he hadn’t kept trying to take Cain down he would have beaten him badly. Kongo was connecting at will and wobbling him with almost every shot.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
It was a little shocking how much he hurt Cain with those shots. I guess it’s easy to forget that he’s a good striker since he decided to try to take everyone down.
Kongo’s trainer said that he had only one sparing session before fight with Cain, and had no cardio-he clinched with Cain because he wanted to catch a breatch and rest…
His camp knew that he was unprepared, but it wasn’t their decision to take the fight…
by dancingChicken on Aug 21, 2009 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
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