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More on the Strikeforce: Gina Carano vs. Cris Cyborg Ratings

  Carano-vs-cyborg-press-1_mediumDave Meltzer is high on the women's achievement:

The Carano vs. Santos main event itself did a 2.9 rating and 856,000 viewers, adding 17 percent over the audience from the preceding Gegard Mousasi vs. Renato Sobral light heavyweight title match. Those numbers were far ahead of any MMA match ever on the network.

Also impressive is that the card did these numbers on a short show, as MMA events on television generally will draw better when they are longer, because the pattern is people will find out about the show and stick with it, and a longer show has a higher ratings advantage.

From a ratings standpoint, which throws out the obvious advantage a show on Spike or CBS would have because they are seen in more homes than Showtime, the match was not close to a ratings record-setting event for the sport. But it was the highest rating for an MMA match or event in the U.S. this year, even though as far as total audience, any first-run UFC television show on Spike will have more actual viewers.

And while the UFC touted their replay of UFC 100 on Spike beat every other sporting contest on that evening in the ratings in the male demographic of 18-34 year olds, it's worth looking at what the huge volume of other numbers do to the broader ratings context. Namely, more than 12 million people tuned in to see Tiger Woods lose to Y. E. Yang in the PGA Championship, an achievement MMA in North America hasn't even sniffed:

Nielsen Media Research says its overnight measurements of big cities found ratings for the golf tournament up 150 percent over 2008. Only 4 million people watched the final round last year. Woods was injured and didn't play in the tournament, and the Summer Olympics were televised at the same time.

Nielsen and CBS don't yet have a precise estimate of the audience nationally for this year. In the metered markets, it was the best PGA final round since 2002, when Woods lost by a stroke to Rich Beem.

The golf tournament led directly into "60 Minutes," which featured Vick's interview about his prison time for running a dogfighting operation. CBS estimates that some 12.6 million people were watching the network between 7 p.m. and 7:30 p.m. on Sunday, when the golf tournament ended and "60 Minutes" began with its interview with Vick, who signed with the Philadelphia Eagles last week.

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Just like people can’t expect the SF numbers on showtime to match the UFC numbers on spike, it’s silly to think that the UFC numbers on spike can be close to the Golf numbers on CBS. That’s the three levels of exposure that are very different.

It’s good for golf that they got so much, and it’s also not a surprise that UFC beat them in the very important young male demographic. That number is not a joke, and it’s not a surprise that UFC on Spike can beat Golf on CBS in that demo, because golf is not aimed at that demo. The UFC and it’s fighters are sponsored by companies targeting that demo, the PGA and golfers are sponsored towards people with more money.

Bottom line, all three did great on Saturday for what they were trying to accomplish. It’s foolish to really try to compare numbers because they all had different goals and different possibilities.

by Phildo on Aug 19, 2009 11:39 AM EDT reply actions   2 recs

Well said…

by SBrooks1 on Aug 19, 2009 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let me tell you why it’s not foolish from my vantage point.

The cold reality of radio and whatever meager amounts of TV I’ve done have educated me on how deeply entrenched other demographics are besides men 18-34. They are a prize, for sure, but the other demos are also important. Older men have more disposable income, radio stations are flipping all over the country to not just pop but pop that appeals mostly to women and program directors/producers are being asked to find more ways to appeal to broader audiences in shows across the country. Bigger, more important shows – shows, for example, that appeal more to a salesperson’s inclination – are the ones that get financial backing and more direct treatment from management. Men 18-34 are coveted, but alone as the sole draw of a show cannot move MMA from where it is today. Either the number of them have to explode, their purchasing power has to grow or MMA has to find a way to start keying in on other demographics.

To me, when I see golf on a Sunday doing numbers like this, it’s a fresh reminder of just how much more powerful other more respected, more entrenched demographics actually are. So if you want to say “everyone did great!”, be my guest. It’s true, after all: everyone did do well. But well relative to what? As someone trying to make it happen for themselves in this sport, I can tell you that these numbers don’t impress program directors and producers in many markets at all. They simply don’t care even if they are impressive. Why? Because they collect one demo at the expense of others. Why talk about Randy Couture on your radio show or news broadcast when you can talk about the Redskins? Why worry about MMA when Alex Ovechkin’s name can do you more good? Why bother with Strikeforce when Tiger is playing? From the producers standpoint, there is always a justifiable reason to not include MMA in their programming. And now that programming in both online content and in radio/television markets is getting hyperlocal, getting “big picture” fights from MMA to get noticed is becoming a tough deal in some parts of the country.

The trick is to find a way to change that mentality and perspective so MMA can get its due on mainstream media organs with large audiences. And as much as we don’t want to accept that, dominating in males 18-34 is not going to be the way to do it. That 12.6 million figure should not be contextualized as “good for what it was trying to do”; it should remind you that MMA’s self-congratulation about how well they get young men to watch the sport is both a blessing and a stumbling block.

by Luke Thomas on Aug 19, 2009 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

To be fair

MMA is still so young, if it continues at this rate the 18-34 demo watching now will eventually become older demos and new people will fill out the 18-34. That’s, more or less, what happened with the NFL.

MMA appeals to a larger womans demo than it is typically given credit for as well.

by VegasBatman on Aug 19, 2009 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

“MMA is still so young, if it continues at this rate the 18-34 demo watching now will eventually become older demos and new people will fill out the 18-34. That’s, more or less, what happened with the NFL.”

This is far from a given in MMA’s case.

by Luke Thomas on Aug 19, 2009 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You’re right, it’s total speculation. It’s also speculation to assume that won’t happen.

For me, it seems unlikely that people will get old and stop liking the sport. I rarely see that happen. I don’t think I have ever seen that happen.

by VegasBatman on Aug 19, 2009 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It could just be a popularity thing that eventually dies down in a few years…. Which I think will be the likely case.

It will still have a larger fanbase then before and be able to be solid as a secondary sport. Nothing wrong with that really….

by AlwaysRelaxing on Aug 19, 2009 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That could be. That’s happened to many sports as well. I’m not brilliant enough to know why it happens or how to stop that, I just have to have faith that guys like a Fertitas can manage it.

by VegasBatman on Aug 19, 2009 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

They already have. Their contracts have two things in them that will keep them safe for a downslope in popularity:

1. Top fighters are paid less in regular pay, and get most of the money through a PPV Bonus that is determined from buys. Less buys, less expense to Zuffa.

2. The clause in the contract that lets them cut fighters after a loss. If all of a sudden tomorrow the popularity in the sport decreased 75%, they could just cut a lot of guys and then resign them for less money (assuming the fighters couldn’t go elsewhere).

by AlwaysRelaxing on Aug 19, 2009 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think the way that will happen is time. People have to grow older watching MMA.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Aug 19, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Solid post.

This is not directed at the author here, but in general for the fans…. there are two things underlooked here.

1) 500,000 is 500,000 no matter how you slice it.

2) Viewership needs to turn into profit. Kimbo Slice on Showtime made huge ratings, but he was unable to bring in huge profits. The same can be said for Carano/Cyborg. They cannot warrant huge ticket prices or large PPV Buys. Especially since the first fight was already given to the fans free.

Until Strikeforce can equate ratings into dollars, they will be struggling against the UFC. And don’t expect CBS or Showtime to match the UFC’s big contract offers. These huge companies are about smoothed earnings quarter after quarter. It’s much easier in this situation to be a private company who has no shareholders to report to and to take a hit to the balance sheet for a few quarters to potentially hurt the competition.

Strikeforce is still at a huge disadvantage here.

by AlwaysRelaxing on Aug 19, 2009 12:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, but there is still merit to comparing the two numbers with relevance to the size of the audience. You’re right that 500,000 viewers is 500,000 viewers, but… the numbers likely give Strikeforce heavily leverage with CBS now because if they can pull that type of rating on Showtime, it could be enormous on CBS. The only real problem is that CBS probably needs to find some solid fights to fill the card.

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by Leland Roling on Aug 19, 2009 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not only does CBS need to figure out who will be on those cards (they already used Carano on Showtime), but Strikeforce needs to find a way to turn a profit or all of their talent is going to get poached. Just watch the Brett Rogers interview a few posts down….. He obviously is holding out for more money, likely because he thinks he can get it from the UFC.

This is why turning a profit is so important. Without those revenues, Strikeforce will continue to lose their champions once the contracts are up.

by AlwaysRelaxing on Aug 19, 2009 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

loosing fighters to the UFC is strikeforce’s biggest problem.

and close 2nd is NOT having a real way other than fighters winning their fights, to develop new stars( no reality show, lousy website)

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by ekc on Aug 19, 2009 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That website is horrible. There is literally no reason to go to it. And it’s not like Showtime’s site is much better either.

by AlwaysRelaxing on Aug 19, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good write up, Luke.

When I see the numbers that MMA does, I think, “Awesome, we’re making headway.” Then I see numbers that other sports do, and I realize that MMA has a long, long way to go. Right now, I don’t even consider it even in the same league or even world. I have no doubt that MMA will eclipse boxing (in many ways it has already done so) and it will be the premier combat sport in the world, but compared to the likes of Golf? Football? I dunno. Hoping for the best though.

I love me some Sexyama!

by pud333 on Aug 19, 2009 12:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

golf

 i know that it was mentioned, but golf got those ratings ONLY b/c of Tiger being in a final round scramble. no Tiger, no big ratings. he doesn’t ALWAYS make it to the end. he didn’t even make the cut at the british. i wouldn’t compare mma’s ratings to golf’s ratings , i would compare them to Tiger’s.

by bdw on Aug 19, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Meltzer...

Giving out the truth about the numbers, which is what I was trying to do on my post yesterday but most people were caught up on the press release PR stuff.
=)

by MMASuPreMaCy on Aug 19, 2009 12:20 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Luke...

Completely agree with, but here is the problem. No one puts any emphasis on any other demo’s outside of 18-34 because that’s MMA’s bread and butter.

Showtime, CBS, and EliteXC were able to show that they had the ability to draw 18-34 as well as the older males. When Spike TV releases a PR, they can only trumpet 18-34, and as a result, there is no importance being placed in the outside demos, which CBS and Golf showed on the weekend can be a huge success.

At the moment, it appears that MMA will point out the demo’s in which we beat the NBA, MLB, etc, but like you say, MMA will need to attract other demo’s to be taken more serious.

by MMASuPreMaCy on Aug 19, 2009 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Attracting M18-34 is no small feat and again, the demo has very clear value. But I also recognize as helpful as it is, it’s not enough to force producers, editors and program directors to make real estate available in lieu of other sporting choices.

by Luke Thomas on Aug 19, 2009 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

A few things to keep in mind.

1. Having no target demographic for a show is not good. If two shows both get a 2.0 rating, but one has the ratings spread out amongst all different ages (and both genders), it is impossible to advertise to and will likely get cut. The other show, if the majority of their audience is in one demographic, it’s easy to pigeon hole for advertising.

2. Having a very old audience is never good. No other way around it.

3. And there are still more advertising dollars for young people then there are for older. It’s not about disposable income. The goal of an advertiser is to get a person into their product at the earliest age possible, which means they have them for their entire lifespan.

by AlwaysRelaxing on Aug 19, 2009 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, I can tell you from personal experience disposable income in demos matter. You wouldn’t believe how much it matters. That’s been told to me by more than one producer on more than one occasion.

by Luke Thomas on Aug 19, 2009 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Showtime, CBS, and EliteXC were able to show that they had the ability to draw 18-34 as well as the older males. When Spike TV releases a PR, they can only trumpet 18-34, and as a result

Huh?

Unless my math is wrong, the UFC 100 replay drew 1.5MM viewers from outside of that demo. That’s a higher percentage of people outside the demo than the Strikeforce show drew.

by Steve4192 on Aug 19, 2009 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Did you read that correctly? I was talking about Showtime, CBS and EliteXC, not UFC 100 or Strikeforce.

by MMASuPreMaCy on Aug 19, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let me reword it then …

Huh?

Unless my math is wrong, the SpikeaTV MMA show drew 1.5MM viewers from outside of that demo. That’s a higher percentage of people outside the demo than the Showtime show drew.

by Steve4192 on Aug 19, 2009 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You can read below to what I replied to iiowyn. I was referring to the EliteXC days what kind of demos they were building within Showtime and CBS.

by MMASuPreMaCy on Aug 19, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I though it was weird that so many got wrapped up in the “My org won!” (you’re also guilty of this, btw)discussion instead of realizing both did great. That’s huge GOOD news for MMA in general.

by VegasBatman on Aug 19, 2009 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Huh?

There was no org war in my post. My post only consisted of Strikeforce numbers and was not compared to the UFC numbers, although posters started making those comparisons in the process. They both did well, but Spike TV is expected to get those type of numbers when they show Zuffa content, specially one of their biggest PPV’s in history that took place just a month ago.

by MMASuPreMaCy on Aug 19, 2009 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Showtime, CBS, and EliteXC were able to show that they had the ability to draw 18-34 as well as the older males. When Spike TV releases a PR, they can only trumpet 18-34, and as a result, there is no importance being placed in the outside demos, which CBS and Golf showed on the weekend can be a huge success.

You never ever ever miss a chance to push your agenda.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Aug 19, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

You mean poitn out facts? This is a fact from when EliteXC was showing on Showtime and on CBS. Has nothing to do with Strikeforce or the UFC.

Meltzer:

Saturday’s rating was good in that it at this point looks to have won the night in the key male adult demos, strongest in males aged 25-54, doing a 2.7 in the first two hours. The best ratings markets were in the South, and in particular in markets that were 1980s pro wrestling hotbeds.

This was a different audience than what watches UFC, whose shows do the best with males 18-34, with their best ratings markets consistently coming from the West Coast and Hawaii.

Based on early numbers, the Elite XC show appears to have beat college football in males 18-34 and 18-49, which was the goal of the show.

by MMASuPreMaCy on Aug 19, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oops...

Everything below Meltzer was supposed to be in quotes.

by MMASuPreMaCy on Aug 19, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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