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Is Nate Marquardt the Answer to Solving Anderson Silva?

Nate_marquardt_prev_mediumSteve Cofield over at Yahoo! Sports has a write-up talking Nate Marquardt's potential as an opponent that could cause some problems for Anderson Silva in the future. Steve doesn't actually throw out any opinions of his own in this piece, but rather states some quotes from Marquardt's radio interview with ProMMARadio.com. Here are those quotes for fans to ingest:

"I have a lot of tools to beat the things that he does. I'm a different fighter now," Marquardt told ProMMARadio's Larry Pepe. "The way I fought him, I didn't go out and fight to win. Now I'm going for knockouts and I'm going for the submission."
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"Forrest had a horrible gameplan going in. A lot of it was the outside pressure to make an exciting fight. Forrest rushed in and just got caught. Then he did it a second time and got knocked out."
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"I believe when I rematch (Silva), he's going to have the belt. Dan's standup is pretty one-dimensional. He's a great fighter and has a lot of power, but Anderson's going to be able to deal with that. He has a lot more tools on the feet. I don't think Henderson has enough tools to finish on the ground."

When looking at Nate Marquardt in the present, it's fairly obvious that he's bulked up, become a much stronger fighter, and has the overall size advantage as a middleweight to give Anderson Silva some problems if he can actually induce a clinch or gain a takedown.

But when you look down his record, there's a pattern that forms as Marquardt moves up in competition that may or may not still be the case at this point in his career. You could make the argument that Marquardt has conformed to the UFC way of fighting in that he fights with excitement rather than style in his past fights. He struck with both Wilson Gouveia and Martin Kampmann with spectacular results, but Gouveia and Kampmann aren't fantastic defensive strikers either. As evident in past fights, both Gouveia and Kampmann are rather susceptible to being floored.

Brazilian jiu-jitsu is a major strength of Marquardt's skill-set, but most fans would categorize him in the "defensive" grappling department over actually being a submission threat throughout a fight. Silva actually trains with very good offensive and defensive black belts in his camps, so I'd be hesitant to truly believe Marquardt would ever be a threat in that department.

Ultimately, speed is still the biggest problem for a guy like Nate Marquardt. We can critique his skill-set all we want, but speed is something that Nate Marquardt will have terrible problems combating, especially with a bulky physique at middleweight. While he has big power, dynamic striking ability, and solid ground tactics, he won't compete with the speed that Anderson Silva brings to the table. I would agree that Marquardt on top of Silva in a ground battle is a solid prospect for a Marquardt victory, but many opponents have believed they could put him there and have failed...including Marquardt.

If Nate gets past the jiu-jitsu prowess of Demian Maia at UFC 102, he'll definitely be in line for another shot at the title down the road after the UFC considers Dan Henderson, a super fight with GSP, or another tilt at light heavyweight. Ultimately, I still believe that Silva's speed is the silver bullet in Marquardt's armor with his bulkier frame, and it just so happens that Anderson Silva is one of the fastest and most accurate punchers in the sport.

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Is Nate Marquardt the Answer to Solving Anderson Silva?

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by Brett Jones on Aug 19, 2009 10:40 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

If Nate goes in there with no fear then yes, he is the answer to Silva IMO. Watch their first fight. He was doing well but got stood up prematurely by Big John of all friggin refs.

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by xFenixKnightx on Aug 19, 2009 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Prematurely . . . nah, not really.
I just recently watched the fight for the umpteenth time. They were at a stalemate, Marquardt couldn’t get past Silva’s guard.

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by VeeisAnimated on Aug 19, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Didn't we already see this question answered?

Nate is just not as great as Anderson is regarding standup. He is on another planet. He got outmaneuvered by a wrestling technique and already beat a worlds class grecko roman wrestler in Hendo. He wasn’t sood up prematurely, I agree with “VeeisAnimated”, Nate wasn’t doing anything to pass his guard or anything. Nate made the mistake of being a wrestler in that moment. He still got swept and out wrestled in the end. AND Nate is a naturally bigger 205er. Anderson is more naturally a 185er! But he still man handled Nate. Hands down, Anderson is the best p4p.

by Fairtex,AZ on Aug 19, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The question is merely a basis for the article in regards to Marquardt’s quotes.

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by Leland Roling on Aug 20, 2009 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Perhaps the question should be

“Is Nate the middleweight with the best opportunity to defeat Anderson Silva?”

Which then really comes down to who has the better chance, Maia or Nate? At this point, I would vote Nate. It may only be a 30% chance, but the chance is still there.

by rzor on Aug 19, 2009 11:26 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Do you think Maia would be able to get Silva to the ground?

by mythbuster on Aug 19, 2009 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

definately

He got Sonnen to the ground, who although is NOWHERE near the level of Silva, was a collegiate wrestler with a pretty good pedigree. I don’t know the name of that toss, but I’m pretty sure that was a pretty high level move.

by amadeus on Aug 19, 2009 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Getting Sonnen to the ground is very different than even laying a finger on Silva. I’m wondering if Maia would even be able to get in a postition to attempt to get Silva down.

by mythbuster on Aug 19, 2009 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sonnen also came forward, tried to clinch, then got owned as Maia used the cage to bounce. I doubt Silva would do the same.

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by Leland Roling on Aug 19, 2009 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

given the fact that silva's real defeats have come from submissions

I’d give Maia the best chance of them all to pull out an upset, although that best chance is a low percentage number, but higher than marquardt’s IMHO

by orcus on Aug 19, 2009 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maia's Judo training

at least gives him the tools to get Anderson down, provided he could get close enough to utilize those skills. I don’t think Maia would be quick enough to close the distance, nor is he really strong enough to keep Anderson in a vulnerable position on his feet if Silva counters a takedown attempt.

by rzor on Aug 19, 2009 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

Would be interesting to find out, but I agree exactly that closing the distance would be the problem.

by mythbuster on Aug 19, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

From what i know Spider is black belt in Judo.
 People are saying that Anderson has weak takedown defense, but he was often taken down after he executed some kind of flying attack (at least in the UFC).
A guy that is afraid to be taken down doesn’t attack with flying kicks…

by dancingChicken on Aug 19, 2009 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think most ppl would agree that the spider is great at everything, it’s just that he’s not as great in grappling as he is in striking. so to me at least, the person that will give him trouble will be better than he is at grappling. Question is, is marquardt better than silva in striking? obviously not. Is he better in grappling? probably not. Now the same two questions for Maia, no to striking and probably better in grappling…

by orcus on Aug 19, 2009 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's how I see it.

Marquardt is not better than Silva at anything. Literally no matter what happens, Silva should have the advantage at every possible moment.

But basically no one can match Maia’s BJJ.

I don’t really think either one of them will beat Anderson Silva, but at least I can imagine a plausible scenario in which Maia could.

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by Llewdor on Aug 19, 2009 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That said, I think Maia's also a better bet to lose a really one-sided fight.

If he can’t get inside, he’s done. Marquardt could at least look competitive for longer.

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by Llewdor on Aug 19, 2009 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or....

Maia will end up going to train w/ the Noguiera’s and he’ll become “brothers” w/ Anderson Silva and then refuse to fight him too!!

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by Gunslinger20 on Aug 19, 2009 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

after the thales leites fight

I’m just not confident that someone who only uses jiu jitsu in fighting and has no striking skills will just be a punching bag for anderson. Nate is much more complete as a fighter. In terms of MMA, do i want to see Nate vs. Silva? Yes, because i love the stylistic matchup. But i think that Dan Henderson is truly the person to beat Silva, because he can deal with Silva’s power, and can take him down to exploit the one weakness that we’ve seen in Silva, his bottom game.

On another note, i think a physically primed Hendo could also give Machida a run for his money. Both Silva and Machida have impeccable timing and movement, and i think a person who pretty much can’t be knocked out, will stalk the cage and cut off movement, and can take them down and pound them out will be the best chance for beating either.

by amadeus on Aug 19, 2009 11:36 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hendo might have some trouble if either Machida or Silva doesn’t decide to circle into his punch

by mythbuster on Aug 19, 2009 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

haha yeah i don't know if ANYONE would be dumb enough to circle into his power

…oh wait…

and on that note, i heard that bisping is no longer fighting wandy… thats unfortunate

by amadeus on Aug 19, 2009 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Face surgery I think. Wonder if its related to the fight?

by mythbuster on Aug 19, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m guessing it was to remove the scar tissue so he won’t cut as easily. Similar to what Nick Diaz had done. It makes sense, because i have some of the old Pride dvds from back in the day, and comparing what he looked like then to now, it looks like his face has been tenderized like a slab of meat.

by amadeus on Aug 19, 2009 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Could be

Hope he’s ok whatever it’s for.

by mythbuster on Aug 19, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

related to the fight?

wandy may not be as dominant as he used to be, but he’s not scared of anybody, ever!

by orcus on Aug 19, 2009 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol

I meant from Hendo fight. Remember, he got KO and the huge cheap shot after.

by mythbuster on Aug 19, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Correction

Oops I skimmed the article and completely misread it. Bisping was saying that Wanderlei is having face surgery, not Bisping.

My mistake.

by mythbuster on Aug 19, 2009 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think it’s unfair that people are lumping in all BJJ fighters when Leites just proved he’s not even aggressive enough to successfully pursue a retreating Alessio Sakara. Maia is a very aggressive Jits practitioner and has the best BJJ for MMA in the world. I’ve been saying that for more than a year. Does he have what it takes to beat Anderson? No, but I don’t believe anyone does. Is he a threat at all, with his judo and BJJ? Far more than Leites ever was/would be on his best day.

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by Blackout612 on Aug 19, 2009 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Leites was given a title shot he didn’t deserve. That fight should be erased from history.

Maia would get demolished by Silva because he’s Demian Maia. Not because of anything Leites did.

by bigweeze on Aug 19, 2009 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Then you’re in the wrong place, because I clearly responded to the inference that Maia would have a similar chance based on Leites’ performance. Read up.

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by Blackout612 on Aug 19, 2009 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Silva knocked Dan loopy before he took him down and choked him out. Machida and Silva don’t try for the one hit KO’s, they both hit you and it hurts every time and eventually you don’t get back up.

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by iiowyn on Aug 19, 2009 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

please !!!

Come on now in the first fight Marquardt got destroyed in under a round. Just Like Breen and others say that I totaly agree with what makes so many people think that Marquardt is now so new and improved in his last few fights that he can now give Silva a run for his $ ? He looked good but just becasue you look good against Jeremy Horn, a under sieved Martian Kampmann and Wilson Gouveia and lets not forget the loss to Leites shows me persoanlly nothing in thinking he can now hang with Anders this time around and maybe just even beat hi . Its Just a joke that he is this new and improvef fighter sence the last Silva fight. In the end if that rematch happens its a waste becasue the same results will happen as in the first fight but maybe this time around it will be much more brutal. I know I would rather see Silva fight someone else then a rematch with Marquardt. I still want to See Silva fight Okami and I would hope the UFC/Joe Silva make that fight instead of a rematch with Marquardt ?

by Shocbomb on Aug 19, 2009 11:50 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

His win over Gouveia

Looked like something out of a Street Fighter game. One of the coolest finishes ever.

by amadeus on Aug 19, 2009 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pete Sell-Scott Smith will always be the coolest finish ever =)

by mythbuster on Aug 19, 2009 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

haha point taken, that was something out of a movie. on the level of Daniel’s praying mantis kick at the end of karate kid

by amadeus on Aug 19, 2009 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We agree again…is the world ending? o.O

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by iiowyn on Aug 19, 2009 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Naah

I always make sense ;)

by mythbuster on Aug 19, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yay we disagree again =D

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by iiowyn on Aug 19, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

No dude

Bobby Hoffman/ Alistair Overeem is the coolest KO, IMO.

Not as much ‘drama’ per se, but the best KO for sure.

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by ElliotMatheny on Aug 19, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qV4JJF14iM

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by ElliotMatheny on Aug 19, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I love

that KO but no my favorite or coolest. I put Wandy vs Rampage (kneed and dropped thru the ropes) or even AO KO of the K-1 guy. Don’t remember his name but he got smoked.

by Riney on Aug 19, 2009 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Still, every one of those punches/kicks barely landed. Gouveia was done from the knee. But it looked cool…

by dancingChicken on Aug 19, 2009 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

true, but he had the speed and technicality to pull off a combination like that and be relatively accurate… he may not have anderson’s speed, but the guy can definately strike

by amadeus on Aug 19, 2009 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, but still Gouveia was done, there was no danger of being countered, Nate noticed it and went with the flow…

by dancingChicken on Aug 19, 2009 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Accuracy is the real issue against Anderson

Nate looked far too sloppy and stumbling even in that combo to land it against Silva. But hopefully I’m wrong and we can at least get one good fight out of MW for Silva.

by asa on Aug 19, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

My new nickname for Nate:

Tekken.

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by Blackout612 on Aug 19, 2009 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow, way to give him a shitty video game name, Blackout. You fail!

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by Leland Roling on Aug 19, 2009 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Are you saying it’s a shitty video game or a shitty name? I have shitty pet names for many mixed martial artists. Steven’s Boner. Black Ninja (guess who?).

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by Blackout612 on Aug 19, 2009 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Shitty name.

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by Leland Roling on Aug 19, 2009 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

I don’t want to associate Nate with Cung-ilingus Le.

by amadeus on Aug 19, 2009 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oof

You’re the one thinking of the crappy movie!

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by Blackout612 on Aug 19, 2009 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Black ninja? Really?

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by iiowyn on Aug 19, 2009 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Come on now?

Come on now what? I said Marquardt would get owned… what more do you want?

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by Leland Roling on Aug 19, 2009 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What type of speed are you saying that Marquardt lacks? Handspeed? Being fleet afoot?

I don’t think anyone is going to be Anderson at 185, but Nate does not lack speed and explosive power. He’s very fast, despite being a pretty large MW.

by Hardcharger on Aug 19, 2009 11:52 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

handspeed comparably to Silva’s, i guess

by amadeus on Aug 19, 2009 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, he does. He lacks the speed to catch Anderson Silva. It’s evident as a fight drags on as well, that he slows down due to his bulk. He has some pretty nice striking abilities he’s gained over the last year or so, but speed will kill him.

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by Leland Roling on Aug 19, 2009 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Marquardt was just as fast in Rd 3 of his fight with Gouveia as in Rd 1. As I said, he won’t beat Anderson, but that doesn’t mean Nate lacks speed. He doesn’t.

by Hardcharger on Aug 19, 2009 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He does. He lacks the speed to be remotely close to catching Silva. I’ve watched both those fights, and nothing tells me he even remotely stands a chance standing with Silva, speed-wise or in any other type of fight.

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by Leland Roling on Aug 19, 2009 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Silva

is faster, with better reach, better clinch. Nate may have similar power.

But look what happens to Torres, people get upset. Silva is already cocky, maybe his ego has gotten TOO big. In any case, Nate= very good striker, Anderson= one of best MMA strikers in the world

I get what you’re saying, Nates striking is great, but not on the level to outstrike Silva

by amadeus on Aug 19, 2009 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We’re not talking about bantamweights. Torres and Bowles were comparable in speed, but Bowles had power. Silva has both speed and power, and you can’t look at Marquardt’s physique and say… he’s huge, must have more power.

Nate is a good striker, but I really think his dynamic abilities with kicks, knees, and punches are his huge key. Anderson won’t fall for that, and the speed issue isn’t comparable in my mind. Silva is much faster.

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by Leland Roling on Aug 19, 2009 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Anderson generally moves backwards – you have to come forward or he will pick you apart with his range. The only times he likes to move forward is to trap you on the cage. From there he controls the range and can stand just out of reach while bombing away, or with knees if you choose to rush inside on him.

Torres is far too willing to move forward instead of luring his opponent into his range. This causes him to walk forward into punches and take extra damage from punches that would otherwise fall short. He’ll even chase after you wildly, even after he’d been dropped by one punch minutes earlier.

Torres should be fighting more like Anderson, but he is cocky and reckless. I’m a big fan, but he needed to get beaten to improve. Recently, all he liked to do was talk about how he could beat everyone where their strengths were, how he would never lose, how he was building a legacy, how he had more trick moves in his bag that people hadn’t seen yet.

Though he is very successful, Torres’ style has been tailored more towards the finish instead of the win (more than is safe). Anderson, having already suffered a few fluke losses, is much more conservative. It’s just his package of skill, speed, power and weight class that allows him to create these highlight reel KOs. He’s not particularly aggressive throughout his fights, it’s just that his flurries are so deadly with such a high connect %.

by bigweeze on Aug 19, 2009 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thats what makes him so good,

he likes to keep his range but at the same time u cant get inside his range because you dont want to be in the clinch with him at all. The only way hes losing is to get it to the ground quick. If Dan strictly tries to get the fight to the ground he has the tools to beat the Spider… that being said we all know Dan will thow those bombs and be countered just like their first fight.

by xbuckeyex05 on Aug 19, 2009 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Torres should be fighting more like Anderson, but he is cocky and reckless. I’m a big fan, but he needed to get beaten to improve.

That’s exactly what I though. After the initial shock of seeing him get KOed, I started to get excited about the new improved Torres we should see soon.

by Shaun32887 on Aug 19, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Maia has a better chance against Anderson than does Nate. We’ve already seen how Anderson defends against Nate and fighters like him. We’ve never seen Anderson tested by a truly great jiu-jitsu artist with good judo (unless you count the flop fest of Leites, which I don’t).

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by thetakeover on Aug 19, 2009 12:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Personally I thought Brett Jones put it succinctly and best

Is Nate Marquardt the Answer to Solving Anderson Silva? No.

If Maia beats Marquardt, I would love to see Maia vs. Silva.
If Marquardt gets the W, then I would much rather see Marquardt vs. Henderson to truly earn their rematch.

 . . . yeah, Maia has a better chance AND its something we haven’t seen before.

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by VeeisAnimated on Aug 19, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maia would lay a hand on Anderson before getting put to sleep. He would either get dropped by a stiff combination on his way inside, or get brutalized by the thai clinch. Anderson fights very defensively on his feet, and isn’t nearly the risk-taker he once was, likely because of his improved boxing.

I do agree with you that we haven’t seen Maia fight him before.

by bigweeze on Aug 19, 2009 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

but many opponents have believed they could put him there [Silva] and have failed…including Marquardt.

I saw the Marquardt/Silva fight Monday night on Unleashed finally. Damn, if Big John wouldn’t have stood them up (which to me was a BS premature standup if you rewatch it) Nate would have had a good chance at pulling out the win. I think any other ref would have let it go on the ground a bit longer. He had just gotten back into full gaurd after being postured up and Big John was like "action c’mon action." I was like WTF? He JUST got into his gaurd! Of course back then that’s when fighters didn’t get scared of him before they got in the cage. Nate has a better shot than Hendo IMO.

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by xFenixKnightx on Aug 19, 2009 1:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The problem with fighting Silva at MW is that its gonna be a 5 round fight. He is hard to submit and in 5 rounds theres no getting away from standing with him a little.

by xbuckeyex05 on Aug 19, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah of course but I have no doubt that Nate can get him to the ground again. Maybe the ref will allow him some time to work this time around too. lol

I’m really pulling for Nate to KO Maia and then for some reason Hendo can’t fight Silva leaving Nate the next shot. Like I said his chances are better. He just cant get himself wrapped up in all this new hype Silva has created. Actually I think Forrest created it lol.

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by xFenixKnightx on Aug 19, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nate might get him to the ground but he cant do anything with it. Eventually its gonna go to the feet and its over.

by xbuckeyex05 on Aug 21, 2009 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

not to mention Silva actually beat him on the ground last time.

by xbuckeyex05 on Aug 21, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nate’s improved and powerful stand-up has one problem. Silva’s Stand-up defense is second to none. There’s just no way he wins anything standing up.

by Dooda on Aug 19, 2009 1:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

NO

Everyone has a game plan, untell they get hit.

by mma is #1 on Aug 19, 2009 1:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I like Nate

But there’s nothing more obnoxious than fighters analyzing recent or future fights, while buttering themselves up.

by dv8shun on Aug 19, 2009 2:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Ditto, especially if you previously lost to the guy you claim you will beat.
Marquardt sounds like Tito Ortiz discussing fighting Chuck Liddell.

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by VeeisAnimated on Aug 19, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, but Tito has never actually gotten better. More top-heavy, yes.

by bigweeze on Aug 19, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I believe so, if you look at Nate before the Silva fight and after he’s 2 different fighters the old Nate was more defensive and safe the new Nate is a killer who’s looking to destroy his opponents.

by Raker on Aug 19, 2009 11:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

And how is that advantageous though? Silva seems to counter anyone who tries to be aggressive.

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by Leland Roling on Aug 20, 2009 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

My rule of thumb: anyone who thinks that Forrest “just got caught” will not be a challenge to Silva. Ever. They just won’t. Wrestle this, grapple that, if they really don’t get what Silva is doing they will just get humiliated in the cage. Same thing with Machida. It’s beyond countering or karate or footwork. They are playing chess, everyone else in the UFC is playing Sorry. If a fighter doesn’t get that, he’s done before he gets the fight.

by toxic on Aug 20, 2009 10:45 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Aug 20, 2009 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

GSP

Is the only challenge to Silva because of his quickness and takedowns. He could repeatedly do what Hendo and Lutter did to Silva for a short time – controlling from the top while avoiding submissions. GSPs wrestling is on a different level than anyone Silva has faced and his takedown percentage is incredible. GSPs quickness and athleticism makes him standout. I’m not sure GSP could finish him but he could ride him for 4-5 rounds and could hold his own in standup for a round or so. Too bad Silva looks like he’s going up.

At least Al Davis isn't running my team's drafts.

by bringbackbuddytrees on Aug 20, 2009 11:51 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I actually agree. The difference with GSP’s striking is that it is very technical so he wont be leaving himself open as much as someone like Forrest.

by xbuckeyex05 on Aug 21, 2009 3:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Random question concerning Lutter...

How was he able to take Silva down multiple times in their fight? I remember a flying knee that he absorbed, but managed to get a take down. While the other times it seemed he didn’t take much punishment, especially when he got to mount. I’ve heard Silva’s knees were ailing him during that fight? So what this boils down to is if Lutter was able to, why wouldn’t others (Marquardt, Maia, Couture) be able to?

by MikeD32 on Aug 21, 2009 5:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Silva wasn’t even trying that fight.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Aug 21, 2009 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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