"I've learned a lot from what I've seen from Georges St.Pierre and from a brief conversation I had with him," said Mir, who lists GSP, BJ Penn and Anderson Silva as his favorite fighters to watch in the UFC. "People say 'wow, what an athlete' but they have no idea that he is so smart and so scientific about fighting. He's miles ahead of everyone."
"GSP said that he knew BJ Penn's hips would be beat up because he's so flexible that he leaves his ribs open for injury," said Mir. "Also from film, he saw that BJ's pin shoulders are shaped like a boxer and that he wanted to grapple with him to begin the fight so his shoulders got a lot of blood in them and he'd drop his hands."
"I used to just fight the best guys and not worry because I could strike with any of them but I could also get them to the ground and if it went to the ground, I owned them," said Mir. "But I realized in that last fight (with Lesnar) that I need to be much bigger. And from GSP, I realized I must be much more scientific in my preparation."
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Mir is overlooking who he would have to beat to get that 3rd fight, top contenders at HW are different from Lesnar, could mir fair well against the future of the division?
me thinks not
"he's the best punchy face man in the buisness"
why not?
Its not as if he is old… and it’s obvious his skill set is getting better… He may talk to much shit, or be a lil biased as a announcer at times, but all the dislike for him seems to overlook that he IS a talented guy…
I'm like PacMan fightin you silly kids... throw ya Hatton the ring, and get knocked outlike Ricky did.
lol.
by Loot on Aug 19, 2009 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions 10 recs
I agree with this
I don’t think he has what it takes to beat Lesnar in a third fight, but he’s a world class fighter and a top five heavyweight. I’d pick him in a fight against Velasquez for sure.
I STILL poop rainbows.
by Blackout612 on Aug 19, 2009 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
he is talented, this is true
and i don’t dislike him i just think frank has severe delusions of grandeur
circumstances aside, he was pounded by freeman, vera had his way with him
sure it was in the past, but perhaps frank is still in the past, do you really think his talent is enough to take on carwin? randy? cro cop? sure mirko hasn’t been at his best in recent appearances but if frank went in for the take down and got within striking distance, it would be game over for frank
everyone seems to overlook an ENTIRE division of talented fighters, and give opinions on frank vs brock, what frank can do to improve his chances against brock, perhaps frank shouldnt be looking to far into the future
look at the way fans react to BJ when he calls out for GSP one more time, do we really need to see frank get beat down again? if the answer is yes, then why not let BJ take another crack at Georges?
because the loss on both accounts were definitive, frank needs to concentrate on getting past a few contenders at heavyweight before he dives back into deep water
"he's the best punchy face man in the buisness"
by blubber_guard on Aug 19, 2009 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Well there is a slight difference in comparing Bj calling GSP to Mir calling out Brock. BJ Penn is 0-2 against GSP and hasn’t proven that he could beat him. Mir is 1-1 against Brock, which would make a rubber match more likely and unarguable if Mir were to reel off a few wins.
by filipinomix2oo0 on Aug 19, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
thats like saying if a mouse can choke a cat when its trying to swallow it, the mouse should try its luck again
"he's the best punchy face man in the buisness"
by blubber_guard on Aug 19, 2009 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
What if the mouse has a black belt in ju-jitsu?
And is, uh, several times larger than the average mouse?
also mir admitted himself that submissions, especially the one he has against brock, come at any time, and can change a round, lifetime or career in a few short seconds
the dominance brock displayed against mir the second time around, was no flashy split second arm bar
it was prolonged punishment, and it was brutal
"he's the best punchy face man in the buisness"
by blubber_guard on Aug 19, 2009 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Still a rubber match is a much easier sell than someone asking for a fight after being beaten twice. Do think a fight b/w Brock and Frank goes any differently than their last? Not really. But if Frank does reel off a few wins against some contenders, then I will have no problem with a third fight. I have no interest in seeing BJ fight GSP for a third time and plus I don’t see how you sell that unless you go with the GSP cheated route in marketing it.
by filipinomix2oo0 on Aug 19, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
or you could do it the stupid way and yknow.. have bj say hey imma take a year off and gain some weight and figh the guy who just smashed me, dont forget guys
i have an evolutionary fight science based fight game plan
ill be fine
"he's the best punchy face man in the buisness"
by blubber_guard on Aug 19, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I think you're mistaking "chance to win" with "marketable fight"
See also: Ortiz vs Shamrock x3
Personally, I believe that Frank needs to take Brock’s comment about how his training partners were able to get out from under Lesnar’s bulk and work on that aspect, especially if combined with working submissions when you actually have room for manoeuvre.
If Frank gets a few solid – and dominating! – wins under his belt I can’t see why a rubber match isn’t a viable option. They’re 1-1, they both have huge profiles thanks to the exposure of UFC 100 and if Mir can beat some of the division’s bigger names (namely Carwin, Velasquez, Cro Cop or – maybe! – Couture) then he’ll earn his way back into contention.
that was my original point
Frank is largely overlookin the division’s rising and remaining talent, and directly talking about a possible rematch
which is why everyone here on BE and other area’s of the MMA community
whine and bitch about BJ
"he's the best punchy face man in the buisness"
by blubber_guard on Aug 19, 2009 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Not taking anything away from GSP here, but – all the science stuff that Mir’s giving props to GSP for, wasn’t that all Greg Jackson?
http://www.fourouncestofreedom.com
I think it was both, but GSP said he talked to his doctor regarding all that stuff about hips, etc. So who knows. I guess you have to look at what Greg Jackson has done with the other fighters, like Rashad, Jardine, etc. If you look at it that way, I think GSP does put a lot of emphasis into the cerebral aspect of fighting. He’s always pretty honest about his thought processes, his own criticisms of himself after the Serra loss, etc. I have a feeling he thinks alot about this stuff before a fight.
This, along with his ridiculous athleticism, is why he’s so great and why he’s so adept at evolving as a fighter.
I love me some Sexyama!
That’s purely conjecture. GSP sounds more like he knows what he’s talking about physiologically than the other Jackson fighters. Make of that what you will.
I STILL poop rainbows.
by Blackout612 on Aug 19, 2009 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Even if it was.
GSP would have still had to execute that complicated plan.
Regardless, I take GSP at his word about that stuff, in that he said it was a collaborative effort between him, Jackson and the other trainers and fighters in his team.
A year (with no time off from fighting) to gain 30 lbs of muscles?
by dancingChicken on Aug 19, 2009 11:54 AM EDT reply actions
Mir has a personal problem ..
Mir is like BJ Penn, who looks at other fighters and is jealous of what they have. Part of GSP’s allure is that he’s so humble he sees what he has to work on, and looks at himself objectively.
It’s like BJ Penn blaming his loss to GSP on size, and thinks now if he does nothing but gain 20 lbs of muscle, he’ll win. But the truth of the matter is that Frank simply lost because he “underestimated” what Brock was capable of. He also got a false sense of security thinking he was a great stand up fighter all of the sudden..
Mir has this false sense of reality about himself in my opinion.. He’s constantly going on about him being this great athlete etc.. He thinks he’s so athletic and agile, but the reality is he isn’t. He would never make it in pro football, so comparing his athleticism to that of a lifetime athletic NFL defensive end is pretty ridiculous IMO. He thinks by simply adding muscle that he’ll be able to contend with Brock, which is hardly the case. It’s not the weight, it never has been, it’s the agility and functionality of what he can do with that weight that Frank will never have. Frank never grew up a superior wrestler & it’s more than just size and strength there.. It’s technique that Brock has over Frank & many other HW’s.. Because Brock knows the functionality of that weight and possesses real athletic ability.. Just being big and strong wont solve Mir’s problems.. Mir doesn’t know how his body will adapt with an extra 20-30 lbs & he’s always had a suspect history of cardio..
Frank needs to stop looking at what “others” have and stop trying to compare that to his.. He should learn to focus on what “he” has and learn to work on what he’s got..
Prime example here: GSP is a superior athlete. GSP used all his athleticism and skill to shut Penn down.. KenFlo went against Penn with the “same exact plan” but lacked almost every single tool including strength & athleticism to pull it off.. Quit trying to be “other” fighters and stop thinking that because you speak articulately well that your getting people to believe what you say.. Fighting has always been a science… Where the hell has he been ?? He said he hasn’t hit the weights since high school ??? Well who’s fault is that Frank ?? Adding muscle isn’t going to solve that riddle of Brock.. He could quit everything and just lift and train for the next 2-3 years and put on 40 lbs of lean mass and that still wouldn’t stop Brock from repeating the same performance.. If any of you watched the Mir vs. Vera fight.. Vera out muscled Mir with the same one armed hold that Brock used and finished the fight in almost essentially the same way as Brock.. Vera is a small HW and Frank lacks “real” wrestling.. I know he did high school wrestling, but there is a HUGE difference from high school to division 1 NCAA national champions..
by MMAuthority on Aug 19, 2009 12:17 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
Mir should be marveling...
at the scientific technique Lesnar used. He basically was able to hold him down, neutralize all of his bjj, and beat the stew out of him. 10lbs aren’t the answer to that.
Leaiving aside the Mir stuff, let's go back to GSP
…and GSP is CRAZY. Scientific? The guy who greased him was his holistic cough-bullshit-cough medicine expert, and the reason he rubbed grease on him was that cough-bullshit-cough pressing on his chest and drawing circles on his back would open up his breathing.
Fuck the greasing allegations, I’d like the NSAC to punish him for promulgating this ridiculous bullshit pseudoscience.
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Considering he’s a fan of Richard Dawkins, I doubt he buys into that “holistic medicine” aspect.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Aug 19, 2009 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s Mir, not GSP.
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No, the trainer who rubbed the miniscule amount of redisual grease on him was his muay thai coach, not a practitioner of holistic medicine. Steven Friend is the holistic medicine guy.
And Randy Couture, Matt Hughes, and Sean Sherk used Friend’s services long before GSP did, and Friend was around the UFC in the first place because Dana White strongly believes in what he does. So go ahead and direct your righteous indignation elsewhere. We get it, holistic medicine isn’t your cup of tea.
But nobody is calling any of those guys “scientific.” (Certainly not Matt “Young Earth” Hughes, and of course not Sean “Why should I check what I put in my body” Sherk.)
Just because a bunch of people believe something stupid, it doesn’t make it true. Your argument from authority is as silly as saying that Aristotle also rubbed circles on his back.
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I believe that in any sort of competition, the competitors mental state is key. Therefore it’s not rather or not the holistic type stuff works in a scientific sense, it’s if the fighter truly believes what he is doing works will help them mentally.
Here’s the thing: the problem with magic feathers and other placebos is that even if they work, they aren’t going to work as well as spending the time and energy to do something that ACTUALLY helps you and gives you the same mental state.
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I don’t know about his stuff, looks like BS, but until somebody credible tells me it isn’t I will give him the benefit of the doubt.
You don't look like a Tanaka.
What, I’m not credible? :-)
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