Nick Diaz Needs Marijuana
Gracie said he hopes Diaz will be granted an exemption for marijuana while out of competition, and that the fighter will abide by the testing procedures during competition.
"He does need (marijuana)," said Gracie. "He has ADHD and he’s had a prescription for Ritalin since he was a kid. He doesn’t want to take that. That’s worse than pot."
Douglas called the meeting "extremely positive."
"We don’t have a TUE program in California yet, not to say we won’t," Douglas told Sherdog.com Monday. "I pledged to have the CSAC staff work with Gracie and his reps, because putting a TUE program together to present to the commission will take time and effort, as well as feedback from many parties. We can put the plan together, but ultimately the commission has to vote for it."
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Very interesting is all i can say. I don't know if this is legit or just a way for him to keep smoking weed.
They are currently working on a date to present the idea to the commision, but admit that this could take up to a year to figure out.
Diaz in gonna stop smokin in order to get his license within the next few weeks.
One thing is for sure.. The Diaz-Marijuana saga continues..
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I don't see why not
If he gets a prescription in California why not apply for an exemption while out of competition.
"Japan is half-Machida" - iiowyn
Oh please… ADHD? What a lame excuse. People who NEED marijuana are people suffering from terrible chemo, aching diseases and chronic pain. Not this shit..
The ADHD is just another lame excuse to swindle a medical marijuana card. The guy is a stoner, pure and simple
I'm not confident ADHD is really a disorder.
Some people are just bad at focusing on something or paying attention. That doesn’t make it a disorder – that makes the population a bell curve.
And really, if he needs the drug to perform, doesn’t that make it a performance enhancing drug by definition?
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
so much hypocrisy
considering 40% of this country uses marijuana. I love the quote “He doesn’t want to take that. That’s worse than pot.” because that’s exactly how most people i know feel about it. Ritalin and Aderol actually give some intense anxiety and depression.
and discman 2, who are YOU. Especially, WHO ARE YOU to say that a physical ailment is worse than a mental.
by Austin Martin on Aug 18, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
40% of your friends might smoke, but that number is not real in terms of the country. BS factoids get passed around like pipes among the stoners. And I am speaking from experience.
i bet the number is HIGHER across the country
for the number of people who use regularly, have ever used, or use on a limited basis.
by Austin Martin on Aug 18, 2009 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
It depends where you are.
I wouldn’t be at all surprised if 40% of people around here (I’m in Vancouver, BC) smoke, but on the prairies it’s a far, far lower number. I’d be surprised if 5% of the population where I grew up smoked, and Canada has much more pot-friendly laws.
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
I don't smoke - haven't even tried it.
But it’s very prevalent here.
But again, in most parts of North America I’d say it’s very uncommon.
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
In 2001 the percentage of all people 12 and older who reported to have smoked marijuana in the past month was over 5% (over 22% for high school seniors) and had grown to 6% by 2006. Those were number from a U.S. government survey. The real number can be insinuated to be significantly higher than that given the response bias from a government survey asking about illegal drug use. Taking into account the growth the medicinal marijuana movement the numbers today are very likely above 10%.
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yea but theres probably more than 10% when you factor in countless stoners too paranoid to give an honest answer
Who am I? A doctor.
FACE!
Well… med student, but still..
The guy is a stoner who uses ADHD as a front to get a medical marijuana card. I’ve seen it time and time again. I question whether or not he really does have a serious case of ADHD. Chances are he’s taking advantage of a flawe system
by Discman2 on Aug 18, 2009 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
If a doctor prescribes a medicine for a patient and the medicine is legal and the doctor is licensed and the medicine has no performance enhancing effects than the athletic commission should not punish a fighter for taking that medicine.
Whether you think its fake or not is much less important than what the guy’s doctor says even if you feel that the doctor is prescribing medicines inappropriately. I assume the medical profession has an ethics board much the same way the legal profession does.
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With a prescription its not illegal in the state of California which is where Diaz resides and trains and where CSAC presides over.
"Japan is half-Machida" - iiowyn
It is federally illegal.
Aderall, certain steroids, and HGH (to name a few things) are also legal with a prescription and banned by the CSAC.
How is federal illegality relevant to a state run athletic commission?
The question is not are they banned. The question is, should this specific athlete be given an exemption for this specific legally obtained and used drug. My arguments throughout this thread specifically separate marijuana from performance enhancing drugs like anabolic steroids and HGH.
It isn’t enough to say “oh CSAC banned the substance” you need to look at the reasons behind the ban and whether they should apply in this specific case.
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It’s releveant to your earlier statement that it’s legal. It’s not.
Now as to everything else, the argument can be made that it assists in recovery time which assists in training, the way many steroids are used by athletes in all sports.
Again, the state of California runs its own athletic commission. The federal government can not force a state government to enforce federal law. In the jurisdiction that the commission presides over and is funded by marijuana is legal if properly prescribed.
Your argument that marijuana assists in recovery time is a huge stretch especially when used in comparison to anabolic steroids.
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You know why Marijuana is illegal in the US?
Because in the 1930’s, the lobbies of the lumber industry influenced Washington to pass legislation to outlaw it, and launched a smear campaign on Marijuana. This is the main source of all the negative stigma we have attached to it.
The Lumber Industry did this because hemp was set to become the main source of raw material for paper.
If this piques your interest, the movie “Grass” explains alot about the American Gov’t war on Pot
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by ElliotMatheny on Aug 18, 2009 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree it should be legal. Making it illegal causes way too many problems. The fact remains that it is illegal within the US and California law conflicts with that.
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I still haven’t heard a solid argument from ANYONE… on why weed should be legal. Some say that it’ll stop the drug trade, some say it’s not harming anything…. give me a fucking break. I understand that making it LEGAL to just smoke in your home… I’m fine with that.
My problem is that other drugs will likely become more rampant because weed won’t be this BOOMING drug in the States when it becomes legal.
Then you have all these people who say “it isn’t a gateway drug.” Yeah… I understand that it’s not actually addicting and generally doesn’t lead to other drugs, but normally… I had friends who hung out with other friends who hung out with other friends who smoked weed… and suddenly, coke was introduced to the group… and down the line it goes.
Statistically, it’s common as fuck. Most people argue the point as bullshit, but I can easily say most of my friends I’ve known throughout my life that were into weed moved on to something else. Of course, if you are one of those people who never actually got addicted to anything else, still maintain a normal life, and want to smoke some weed every once in awhile…. I’m all for legality in that manner. Anything else is a crock of shit, and you couldn’t make enough documentaries, movies, and bullshit statistics to convince me otherwise.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 19, 2009 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Then you have all these people who say "it isn’t a gateway drug." Yeah… I understand that it’s not actually addicting and generally doesn’t lead to other drugs, but normally… I had friends who hung out with other friends who hung out with other friends who smoked weed… and suddenly, coke was introduced to the group… and down the line it goes.
That’s because with marijuana being illegial, you have the get it from the same people you get cocaine, meth, PCP, ect. Making it legal and putting strict laws on selling it similar to alochol may not stop drug trafficking, but it will put a dent in the drug cartel’s selling of it when you could just buy it legally. Another thing to consider is that marijuana being illegal makes it a lot easier for kids to get ahold of that than alcohol. Drug dealers don’t check ID’s.
We spend 7.7 Billion dollars a year enforcing the prohibition of it ever year, whereas if we taxed it like alochol or tobacco like I think we should, we would make about 6.2 billion dollars a year. Look, you’ll never hear me say that weed is good for you, it’s not. But I think it is a personal choice that you should be able to make just like alcohol and just like tobacco. It isn’t even in the same ballpark as the other drugs that are prohibited by law.
Here's a solid argument right here
And for the record, i’m not some kind of pothead or anything. I’ll admit to occasional recreational use, but I honestly only smoke once a month or so.
1) Legalizing Marijuana would boost our economy. By regulating weed, the government gains the ability to tax, check for quality, and control the sale and distribution of it. Given that it’s a cash crop (that can grow very well), it would just be that much more of a stimulant to our economy. Not to mention all the people who would be buying pot at gas stations (Marlboro already has a product lined up, which is basically a mass produced joint, packaged and sold like cigars). You can also throw in that the FDA would be checking it for quality and making sure that no harmful psychoactive agents (or fillers like oregano, for that matter) were added in.
2) We would save a ton of our hard earned tax dollars by preventing the frivolous prosecution of marijuana users. Cops wouldn’t have to waste their time busting someone with a reasonable amount of pot, and citizens who do enjoy the MJ don’t have to deal with misdemeanors on their record, which happen to make it very hard to get a job, be accepted into a university, etc.
I could go on.
And also, i’d like to rebutt the point that weed is a gateway drug. You’re saying that people who hang out with drug dealers/ frequent pot smokers are more likely to experiment with harder drugs, and I tend to agree with that. However, the need to assosciate with those kind of people would be drastically reduced if weed were readily available, legally.
All the same preppy kids from your high school who go to college in the same town, and now get drunk together all the time will also probably be getting high together. And that’s because to them, anything that is legal isn’t morally compromising, and therefore it’s alright to do.
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by ElliotMatheny on Aug 20, 2009 3:14 AM EDT up reply actions
I just don’t see it. Sure, we save money… but I can see some massive problems stemming from legalization. And I’ll be the first to say “I told you so…” when a bunch of shit goes down after the legalization that pro-legalization advocates didn’t see coming because they believed some alternate reality would happen.
I can see the other points, but I just don’t see it being a plus. I think things will become pretty terrible if it’s legalized, but that’s my opinion. It isn’t like I’ll run for the hills if people use it legally.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 20, 2009 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Legalize it. Tax the everloving shit out of it.
As long as the government gets their vig and treats it like cigarettes regarding where it’s smoked and treats it like alcohol when it comes to driving.
by woomikee on Aug 19, 2009 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Congrats
on being fooled into thinking that Marijuana is any worse than Alcohol, pills, or any other legal drug.
Who are you to judge whether or not his ADHD is serious or not? If the guy would rather smoke pot than take Ritalin (which is almost chemically identical to Cocaine), then that’s his business. It’s not like he has any advantage during the fight, other than coming in well conditioned from being focused in his training camps. And it’s not like his gas tank sucks; he regularly does triathlons/ Iron Man competitions, and is known for keeping a torrid pace
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by ElliotMatheny on Aug 18, 2009 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
If the guy would rather smoke pot than take Ritalin (which is almost chemically identical to Cocaine), then that’s his business
Not when he is dealing with the privilege of getting sanctioned to fight by a commission.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
And thats why he’s appealing to the commission. Elliot was stating his opinion that its his business (which happens to be my opinion as well). Well just see what the commission decides on the matter but for now we are discussing whether or not they should allow him the exemption.
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Well in my opinion he is treating a condition I had to learn to deal with the hard way as just an excuse so he can get high.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
The only thing is
You have no idea of the kind of severity Diaz’ ADHD is. It’s very possible that he’s bouncing off the walls, and literally can’t stay focused and on task.
And if it pacifies him when he lights up, then by all means- smoke up I say.
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by ElliotMatheny on Aug 18, 2009 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions
The only flawed system is the legal status of marijuana in this country.
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by Mike Fagan on Aug 18, 2009 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
A med student calling himself a Dr. is way worse than someone with a legit condition using natural methods rather than the more profitable drugs that you sir are going to be making your living off of if you can survive school and residency. are you upset that he’s trying to use a technicality to keep smoking weed, or is it that your future career wont profit from it. Make no mistake about it Discman, there is no incentive for western medicine to cure any diseases, the money is only in the treatment.
Also, what position are you in to question whether or not he really does have ADHD? have you examined Mr Diaz? seen any of his medical records? talked to his (Real) Drs? go study and come back when you’re a real Dr, not just playing one on an MMA blog
I damn well question it. I went through a lot of crap learning how to deal with ADHD, and Diaz uses it as an excuse to get high. And if he does in fact have it, then how can he claim he ain’t no bitch when he uses it as a crutch?
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
What is right for you isn’t necessarily right for others. I say live and let live. If it doesn’t affect performance it matters about as much as who he’s fucking.
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by thetakeover on Aug 18, 2009 9:38 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
You're retarded.
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by ElliotMatheny on Aug 18, 2009 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm the one examining what the words we use actually mean.
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
No
You’re the one claiming that ADD doesn’t exist.
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by ElliotMatheny on Aug 18, 2009 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm claiming it's not a disorder.
It’s just the wrong end of the bell curve.
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
It doesn't....
I think it’s bullshit as well. I was diagnosed as having ADHD when I was 8, and my mother didn’t do a damn thing. I was fine. I excelled in school. The only problem is that if you’re a kid who can’t sit still or doesn’t pay attention to the homework when the homework is to color one fucking duck in a row of 5 ducks and make some sort of retarded ass pattern… you suddenly have ADD.
It’s garbage.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 19, 2009 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Thankyou!
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by Well Read Idiot on Aug 19, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
But I’ll say this….
It’s probably legit in extreme cases….
But the fact is that it’s a fucking common problem because doctors make it common. I’m sure some of you have had ridiculous shit happens with ADHD or ADD, and it’s legitimate, but… I hate the fact that doctors overdiagnose the hell out of it.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 19, 2009 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Who made you an expert?
And why should we care how confident you are about what is or isn’t a disorder?
Heh...
I find this funny because when I was 7 or 8, my teachers called my mother and said I had a problem sitting still in class, a big sign of ADHD. My mom, who was a psychology degree holder at the time, told them that ADHD was complete bullshit, and that I was probably bored or my ass hurt because of the shitty wooden chairs they gave us.
So, I was able to avoid ritalin and all that other shit… and I will admit that my attention span is very short when it comes to anything that bores me… but that didn’t stop me from getting a god damn degree or job.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 19, 2009 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
A lot of borderline autistic kids were diagnosed as having ADHD.
I don’t even classify high-functioning autism as a disorder, and neither do many autistics. It’s just a different way of looking at the world, and there’s nothing wrong with it. I’m a big fan of the neurodiversity movement.
If Nate needs marijuana to perform, then it’s a performance enhancing drug, and the athletic commissions have already established that they don’t allow those.
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
I have ADD and take Ritalin
and it affects my job so much that the ritalin is a necessity — about once a week.
Ritalin is like 5 cups of coffee and the loss of any sense of humor. You just get your crap done and it wears off in 4 hours.
Pot makes everything so much worse. How the hell can anyone claim it helps you focus?
a. Diaz has ADHD, not ADD
b. you’re not a professional fighter so maybe amphetamines are easier to adapt to your lifestyle than his
by George Lucas on Aug 18, 2009 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Drugs affect people diiferently. For a lot of people, pot helps them focus without the toxic side effects.
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by thetakeover on Aug 18, 2009 9:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
To play Devil’s Advocate here, I have minor ADD and I can tell you from my people in my family that have it bad there are sooooooo many shitty side effects to taking ADD medication that it’s just not worth it for a lot of people. You can’t eat, you can’t sleep, you’re completely drained of any personality and you feel like a different person on it. Besides, you’re not allowed to take Ridilin and other medicines when fighting MMA because it can cause cardiac episodes. Tim Creduer didn’t get cleared to fight becuase of it once.
Granted, he’s probably just using it as a crutch and whenever someone says you need something, no matter what it is, that raises a lot of red flags for me.
We will have to compare, I was on the highest possible dose since childhood and pretty much learned to cope without it in high school. You gonna go to Hooters for 102 in Fredericksburg?
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
And please don’t turn this into an “ADD is a myth” argument. It’s not the place for it and I can tell you right now it may be grossly overdiagnosed but it’s far from a myth.
It’s a myth.. I said it.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 19, 2009 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Well then you clearly need to meet my sister than [don’t be getting any funny ideas]. It may be overdiagnosed, but it’s real just like Tourette’s and just like Asperger’s.
Asperger's isn't a disorder either.
It’s real, but it’s not a disorder. It’s just a characteristic. Like having red hair. Or being gay.
We don’t give out medical exemptions for those.
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
Actually… being gay could handicap you in school… literally. Some hatemongers might crush your skull in.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 20, 2009 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Remember Bas on Inide MMA..?
“… He should win like an extra prize or something..” Its herb. Not enhancing anyone’s game. Or is it…? (Phelps)
Herb documentary w/ Joe Rogan as commentator.
While we’re on the subject, check this documentary about herb. Joe Rogan is in it throughout.
The documentary says Marinol lacks a ton of natural compounds, and is broken down differently.
The Union: The Business Behind Getting High
www.imdb.com/title/tt1039647
Who cares if he needs it or not? If he’s not high during a fight, what does it matter what he does on his own time?
by George Lucas on Aug 18, 2009 7:41 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Lots of people need steroids as part of a legitimate medical treatments.
It is not appropriate for these people to be professional athletes because steroids are banned in most sports.
The same applies here.
Plus anyone who hasn’t had their brain melted from too much weed can see the guy is clearly a stoner and ADHD is a weak excuse to evade commission rules and federal law.
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Fucking Really man?? Why dont you tell the first part of your argument to Carl Lewis? He was kicked off the 1988 seoul team for use of steroids/banned stimulants… .He then appealed this to the commission and got re instated stating that the substance was found in medicine used to get him recovered from a sickness, and was inadvertent use.
The same does not apply here… When you get a Medicinal Marijuana Card, it is issued by the STATE, not by the fucking doctor… He has a State Card, not a prescription
Its also not a performance enhancing drug like a steroid that provides a competitive advantage over other athletes. He’s not even asking to allowed to test positive in the pre-fight testing, only in the non-competition testing (which, again, should not be testing for non-performance enhancing drugs that are legally prescribed).
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Carl Lewis is a cheater.
Marijuana is illegal and not allowed by the commission.
I am not saying it should not be legal. Pro athletes should not use banned substances.
I dislike Matt Hughes.
The term “banned substance” is a red herring. There are Performance Enhancing Drugs, and there are Drugs of Abuse. You cannot fight when you’re drunk or high, but that doesn’t mean that if you test positive outside of competition for drugs or alcohol that you are a cheater. Drugs of abuse may be something that the Commission punishes, but it’s ridiculous to compare someone who tests positive for steroids/HGH and marijuana/cocaine/opiates.
I agree
But its technically legal, in the state of CA when you have a Card. We can all argue back and fourth till we are blue in the face, but the bottom line is, if the govt or in the case the commission wants to get ya, they will get ya.
I should probably keep my comments to myself...
because in all honesty… I just have blatant jealousy that he was able to pull off getting a medical card for it and I couldn’t, lol. Its harder than hell to get it done in Colorado and I’ve tried.
I don’t know the research as to what marijuana can do in a “performance enhancing” way because I never competed while high on marijuana. I can say what coke does while competiting though…. yikes, that was a trip.
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Okay, ADHD is a very real disorder, albeit it would be better named “Attention Unevenness Disorder,” since people who have it have a tendency to go between being completely unable to focus, and focusing like a laser. The problem is they are completely unable to control those swings. Also, I definitely agree there is overmedication going on with children who have this disorder, and the pharmacy companies never met an ailment they couldn’t exploit. However, there is now decades of legitimate documentation on ADD and ADHD so the arguments that “it isn’t real” are extremely misguided.
I will agree that ritalin fucking sucks, as someone who was put on far too much of it several times over, but Diaz’s excuse is just completely fucking retarded on multiple levels, and this is from somewhat of a fan of the guy.
ADHD will not generally affect one’s career as a professional fighter. It can make things like reading linearly or writing extremely difficult, or simply listening, but fighting and training? Not very likely.
Even if it did affect his training, pot is not a stimulant. It is not something that can be used to treat ADHD and it’s completely insane to claim that. If he can’t stand all of the side effects of ritalin, adderal is a much less shitty alternative.
Diaz is just being an idiot. I’d have a lot more sympathy if he just said he needs pot to relax, thinks it should be legal, and he just fucked up and apologized to Strikeforce, Showtime, and his fans.
by Chromium on Aug 19, 2009 12:25 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Hey….
If the guy can get away with it and smoke weed medicinally… then the system failed, not Nick Diaz. Diaz got around the system, and more power to the guy for doing so. If the damn government can cover those loopholes, then the Commission should adhere to those rules regardless of how retarded it is.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 19, 2009 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t blame Diaz for smoking weed if he’s able to. I’m blaming him for using ADHD as an excuse. That’s the idiotic part. At this point he already blew the fight, I’d have more sympathy for him if he gave a reason that wasn’t so mindbogglingly stupid. And again, I like the guy as a fighter, and think he’s entertaining in interviews, so I don’t hate the guy by any means.

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