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Gegard Mousasi's Stoic Demeanor and Impressive Performance Draw Comparisons From Fans

3825898659_69c3da49a2_mediumThe quick destruction of former UFC and PRIDE fighter Renato "Babalu" Sobral by Gegard Mousasi has been overshadowed by the women's main event match-up between Gina Carano and Cristiane "Cyborg" Santos. Fans bought into the hype by throwing a lot of action on Mousasi when he opened as an underdog on the betting lines worldwide a few weeks before Affliction: Trilogy. After the event cancellation and the transfer to Strikeforce, Mousasi opened as a 2 to 1 favorite, a complete shift in the line from nearly a month ago. Fans knew something great was going to happen.

On paper, Mousasi vs. Sobral was a very intriguing battle that had a lot of hardcore fans excited to see what would come out of it. It was a battle that would prove if Mousasi could transition to the cage along with taking on a legitimate light heavyweight in Sobral, but it also gave Sobral the chance to claim he still had what it takes to be a top-notch light heavyweight worldwide. Sobral easily had advantages in cage experience, level of competition, and jiu-jitsu on the ground, but Mousasi was easily the favorite in the stand-up game. Unfortunately for Sobral, Mousasi's aggressiveness and pinpoint accuracy crushed him easily in the first round, confirming that Mousasi is likely to be favored over any light heavyweight fighter that Strikeforce can conjure up.

Mousasi answered a huge question with his win on Saturday night. Could he hang with a solid competitor like Renato "Babalu" Sobral in a new weight class? A lot of fans had already thrown out a resounding "Yes!" to that question weeks beforehand, but I wasn't convinced like many other writers about his strength of competition during his days with DREAM.

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Over the preceding weeks leading up to this event, I had heard a lot of opinions regarding Mousasi's past performances in DREAM. I read a couple of mainstream MMA writers talk about how Mousasi's wins in Japan were "astonishing" and how those wins were against "unbelievable" competition. It sounded like a huge marketing push by Strikeforce instead of insightful analysis, but it wasn't something I was surprised to see. His middleweight challenges in Japan weren't "unbelievable", but rather the right level of competition to test Mousasi for the future.

The challenge on Saturday night was the perfect example of raising the bar for Mousasi. After taking on powerful strikers, BJJ black belts, a judoka, and a heavyweight kickboxer, Mousasi moved to a different weight class in a different environment against a somewhat well-rounded veteran in Renato "Babalu" Sobral. While Sobral lacked the stand-up game to give Mousasi problems, he did have the experience in the cage along with a tenacious style in the clinch to hurt Mousasi. Mousasi continued his progression into the upper-echelon of talent outside of the UFC and potentially in the world.

In watching the fight unfold from the entrances to the end of the fight, there is one eerily familiar quality in Gegard Mousasi that could be a hint of things to come. Much like his friend and training partner Fedor Emelianenko, Mousasi has a stoicism about him that gives us the sense that he is completely unphased at the prospect of fighting in a cage in front of a large crowd. He seems calm, almost bored... reminiscent of the most dominating heavyweight fighter the MMA world has ever seen -- Fedor Emelianenko. Could this be an indication of things to come? Will Gegard Mousasi become a dominating champion like Fedor?

Skill-wise, Mousasi likely has a ways to go in order to become a dominating force like Fedor in the light heavyweight division, but there remains a mystery as to what Mousasi truly works on in his training. He has the striking capability of a K-1 striker, but his ground game remains unknown. Claiming he's a Fedor Emelianenko in the making is a bit of a stretch, but one can't help but see his face and his performance and be awakened by the memories of Fedor's dominance in PRIDE.

There is one problem stopping Mousasi from gaining huge leaps in the worldwide rankings at light heavyweight. Strikeforce doesn't have the depth to challenge Mousasi without some key acquisitions. Sokoudjou is the only real DREAM light heavyweight at the moment, and Mousasi is already scheduled to battle him at DREAM 11. The rest of the roster includes Mike Kyle, Rafael Feijao Calvancante, Kevin Randleman, Mike Whitehead, Ralek Gracie, Bobby Southworth, and a bunch of guys who would be completely outclassed by Mousasi. Antonio Rogerio Nogueira or Muhammed Lawal need to be signed and matched up against Mousasi. Nogueira is an excellent fight, but Lawal may be biting off more than he can chew in that match-up.

Mousasi has hit the end of the line when it comes to progressing his career with Strikeforce unless they can get some solid talent into the promotion. They will definitely help him gain some stock with American audiences, but the battles that the promotion has for him won't be tough tests for him right now. With two fights left on his contract and a boxing contract apparently signed, it'll be a while before Mousasi makes his way to the UFC. Of course, that'll be an entirely different prospect with M-1 as his management team. Hopefully, Mousasi won't get tied up in any kind of co-promotional clause in his contract when the time comes.

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by Beer Monster on Aug 17, 2009 12:06 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

Good read. It’s a shame Mousasi hasn’t been getting more attention. I thought he put on the best performance of anyone Saturday night.

by Andy R on Aug 17, 2009 12:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Mousasi is 24-years-old, already an elite fighter, and is still improving. He just has a great future in MMA to the point where he is just not a contender for a title, but a possible contender to be in the top ten pound 4 pound in the future (I’m not exaggerating either).

by chrisbboy82 on Aug 17, 2009 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Haha I loved this part. It’s like he was saying to the people at home watching..

“Watch this.”

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by xFenixKnightx on Aug 17, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes

This was the look that told me this guy is a bad ass. Cyborg also looked stoic during the ref’s instructions. Gegard reminded me more of Aleks Emelianenko before the fight than Fedor.

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by Warhand on Aug 17, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That’s what me and my friend said during the show. He reminded us of Aleks lol.

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by Johpin on Aug 17, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He goes from…

“Can we throw punches yet?”

to…

“Hey America, I’m about to KO this fool”

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by Leland Roling on Aug 17, 2009 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Having never seen Gegard fight before &

only hearing of his performances, I had no idea how he would fare against Babalu who has been on a tear lately. But man that was a straight beatdown he put on Sobral. It is unfortunate Gegard is in Strikeforce & there really is no top level competition for him there, so hopefully soon he can make it into the UFC while he is still in his prime.

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by dnevil001 on Aug 17, 2009 12:29 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

You really should

watch his fights from the DREAM GP. Even if you have a short attention span, they all end in exciting finishes, and it shows just how dangerous he is from any position.

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by ElliotMatheny on Aug 17, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It is not that I have a short attention span,

I just have never had the opportunity to see him for one reason or another. After seeing him on Saturday, I am really excited to see him in the future. I just wish he was in the UFC so we could see him consistently against some top flight talent. I have heard his name on BE quite a bit, but I never have a chance to watch any of the Japanese shows.

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by dnevil001 on Aug 17, 2009 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This should help.

Gegard Mousasi Vs. Ronaldo “Jacare” Souza
Melvin Manhoef vs. Gegard Mousasi
Gegard Mousasi vs. Mark Hunt
Gegard Mousasi vs Dong Sik Yoon

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by themachiavellian on Aug 17, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

And if you look at his past fights, it’s obvious that he has great striking from the outset, but that as time goes on, his ground game (which is responsible for his 2 earlier career losses) has improved markedly.

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by ElliotMatheny on Aug 17, 2009 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The upkick on Souza

was sick! he missed and with the same leg kicked again before souza had time to get on top of him. Speed & power = DANGER

Cheers for links Machi, I hadn’t seen the Melvin fight =-)

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by Well Read Idiot on Aug 18, 2009 7:58 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The revelation I had after the Mousasi fight is that Fedor is now actually training with another successful fighter besides himself. I think that is unprecedented.

But yeah, I think Mousasi jumped straight into the top 10 with this win. Though I suspect (and hope) that Rogerio is UFC-bound, that’s definitely the matchup Strikeforce should shoot for if they can get it. That or possibly Arona, depending on how he looks in his next fight. Either one would give is a better idea of where Mousasi really stands in his new weight class.

by JRN on Aug 17, 2009 12:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That’s really the only match-up Mousasi can take that is relevant. Babalu was around #10, so nobody is really left. Mike Kyle vs. Mousasi is going to be a KO, which could lead to some casual interest in Mousasi.

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by Leland Roling on Aug 17, 2009 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would be more than happy with Rothwell, Arona, Lil Nog, Feijao, Babalu, Kyle, Ralek Gracie, Randleman, and King Mo in that mix. Arona and Lil Nog can definitely provide some credible wins for anyone.

by MMASuPreMaCy on Aug 17, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Arona and Lil Nog are compelling, but the rest of that field isn’t at all. Mike Kyle? Seriously? Or Randleman… they’d be great for Mousasi crushing them in Primetime, but that’s it. Lawal is an interesting guy to throw in, but right now… I don’t think it’s a good fight for him.

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by Leland Roling on Aug 17, 2009 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I threw in Kyle in the mix for the division for beating Feijao, a great LHW prospect, but also, I am not suggesting Mousasi should fight Kyle anytime soon. Building up fighter is always great. Adding someone like Khalidov would be awesome.

by MMASuPreMaCy on Aug 17, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh man.

Would I love to see Mamed Khalidov fighting stateside. Here’s to hoping he signs w/ Strikeforce or the UFC.

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by ElliotMatheny on Aug 17, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Khalidov would be pretty awesome, but I completely forgot about Shane Del Rosario. I wonder if he can make 205.

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by Leland Roling on Aug 17, 2009 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Shane is contender no doubt at 205.

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by ekc on Aug 17, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Shane is ridiculous. The guy KO’s people in the clinch with gut shots. Anybody with that type of power and his technical striking ability is a name people should remember.

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by Leland Roling on Aug 17, 2009 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually...

Shane should be fighting at LHW and HW for Strikeforce.
=)

See, if you think about it long enough, there are more than enough prospects and great fighters at 205.

by MMASuPreMaCy on Aug 17, 2009 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, there really isn’t. Because you have to think about those prospects facing each other. If I think purely about Mousasi taking on competition, then yes… he COULD face Lil Nog, Lawal, or Del Rosario, but everyone else is crap in my mind. Kyle isn’t going to beat Mousasi. Lil Nog is a question mark.

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by Leland Roling on Aug 17, 2009 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why am I not surprised.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Aug 17, 2009 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

As I am not surprised by this statement.
=)

by MMASuPreMaCy on Aug 17, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I believe in consistency.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Aug 17, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rothwell is in the UFC, and he’s 265.

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by Beer Monster on Aug 17, 2009 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

Beat me to it … lol good call..

by MMAuthority on Aug 17, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ooops

Meant Whitehead, not Rothwell.
=)

by MMASuPreMaCy on Aug 17, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That’s what I figured.

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by Beer Monster on Aug 17, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

My biggest disappointment is that I can’t see many compelling fights past Sobral to be honest.
Mousasi is awesome but I sure wish Zuffa could have reeled him in.

by pr0cs on Aug 17, 2009 1:20 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

He answered the hype. I still think Babalu was the correct bet in the fight given available information. Would be interesting to see if he could hang in the UFC division and maybe eventually fight another very stoic fighter at the top. Here is to hoping he drops M-1 like a hot coal when his deal is done and ventures to the UFC.

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by iiowyn on Aug 17, 2009 1:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i picked mousasi and bet babalu. i’ve always been impressed with how smart mousasi fights, always taking his opponents out of their strong points. but the line on babalu was tempting, and i figured if he can survive the first round with crazy starter sokodjou he’d last long enough to maybe get some groundwork going

by phantasma475 on Aug 17, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow

The available information included the visual record of Mousasi’s fights, which suggested strongly that he was considerably better than Babalu, and a superior Elo score.

by yarky1 on Aug 17, 2009 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

The superior ELO score means nothing. Visual record… against who? Souza was his best opponent, and he upkicked KO’d him. It isn’t exactly proof his ground game is unbelievable. Souza did manage to lift him up and drop him into top control. I would have rather seen a dominating decision in that fight or at least something that made Mousasi escape Souza’s ground game. Yoon and Manhoef were easy fights for him.

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by Leland Roling on Aug 17, 2009 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Did you actually just dis Manhoef? I didn’t think that was possible.

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by Beer Monster on Aug 17, 2009 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL?

You think it’s funny that someone would have predicted that Mousasi would beat Babalu? Wow again. I’ve never had anyone laugh at me for making a 100% accurate prediction before. If I were so wrong about a pick, my attitude would be one of humility and I’d want to know what I missed and why. But that’s just me…

by yarky1 on Aug 17, 2009 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Being a better bet is not the same thing as being the right pick to win a fight. He’s laughing at you using the ELO score as if it’s the definitive answer to anything.

by Phildo on Aug 17, 2009 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sure

Depends on the odds, but I still think Mousasi was an easy choice. And I didn’t use the Elo score as if it was definitive. It’s certainly evidence, though, as it has been very accurate in the past (picking percentages).

by yarky1 on Aug 17, 2009 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Plus

It’s ridiculous that anyone is trying to defend a completely wrong pick. We’ve seen both guys fight many times, and different people had different opinions about how the fight would probably go. The ones who thought Mousasi would run through Babalu turned out to be right. There is absolutely no dispute about that.

by yarky1 on Aug 17, 2009 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No one is disputing that he was the right pick, people are disputing that it was the right bet. His winning does not change whether or not it was a good bet before the fight.

by Phildo on Aug 17, 2009 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The manner of the win suggests that Mousasi’s true odds of winning were considerably better than the odds reflected.

by yarky1 on Aug 17, 2009 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

When did I ever say it was funny...

Your interpretation of my post was that Mousasi shouldn’t have won. My analysis was simply that he was perceived as less experienced. His HUGE wins from DREAM weren’t all that huge. This was Mousasi’s ultimate test. I’ve watched Mousasi since DEEP 24, and I have a pretty good idea of his talent.

My pick was wrong, but my SF picks were merely for fun, IMO. I picked everyone I bet on, and everyone I bet on was a long shot in my parlay pick. My single bet picks were solid, and I bet on Mousasi strong. But you can’t deny that Babalu’s line was a bargain.

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by Leland Roling on Aug 17, 2009 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL="laughing out loud"

What you’re missing is the fact that we can watch fights and judge guys by the tools and skills they show so it’s not unreasonable to conclude from having seen Mousasi that he was significantly better than Babalu (better than the lines indicated, especially the early ones). I honestly haven’t seen anyone talking about his DREAM wins as being “huge” (especially with all caps), but they have been solid, and he’s shown impressive skill and tools in getting them. And having seen them, I thought Mousasi’s odds were much better than the betting odds reflected. After watching the fight, I feel that my earlier beliefs were correct. YMMV and apparently does in this case.

by yarky1 on Aug 17, 2009 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yikes

Need an editor in here. Anyway, I also wanted to add that I don’t think my position is so out there that it warranted that kind of disrespectful response, especially considering how the fight went.

by yarky1 on Aug 17, 2009 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Congratulations on being one of the few people here with the personal integrity and intellectual honesty to admit when you’re wrong. I strive for those things in my own life, but then I come here and see people insisting that Babalu was the smart bet…

This is respectful?

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Aug 17, 2009 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is it? I was praising the guy. If you’re offended by it, fine. I think this almost pathological refusal to admit an error is undignified. The other guy was insulting me for having a correct pick. I’m sorry if you can’t see the difference.

by yarky1 on Aug 17, 2009 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is indirectly insulting anyone who didn’t agree with you and attacking their honesty and integrity. I flagged the comment as inappropriate. I am done with this.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Aug 17, 2009 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

From what I’ve noticed on this site is that everyone here is very civil with a good attitude and a great sense of humor. You don’t come across as having either one of those attributes. Might have a better time just reading the articles.

by MrBlond3 on Aug 18, 2009 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for your input

I very much value the opinions of anonymous people on the internet regarding my attitude.

by yarky1 on Aug 18, 2009 5:22 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Given the information

Great striker VS weak chin. No, the line was correct.

by cyph on Aug 17, 2009 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I want Gegard and Fedor in UFC!!! ARGHH!!!

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by xFenixKnightx on Aug 17, 2009 1:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Gegard Mousasi interview: (video)

“What was the feeling that went through you when you knew you won?”

“not much…”

by Nick Thomas on Aug 17, 2009 1:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

LOL

This is typical Fedor-esque answer mode.

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by Leland Roling on Aug 17, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

that was funny :D

by CVD on Aug 17, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know he’s a little off the radar, but what about Stanislav Nedkov? I don’t know what his contract situation is like with WVR, but he would be a good test for Mousasi. It’s not exactly a money matchup from a casual fan’s point of view, but if Nedkov could be brought in and win a couple of fights, it might make for a good last fight of Mousasi’s contract.

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by Beer Monster on Aug 17, 2009 1:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The problem with Nedkov is that his striking is abysmal. He threw all sorts of crazy overhand wild haymakers, and somehow won. Mousasi would probably straight jab counter him into unconsciousness pretty quickly. People don’t understand that Mousasi could probably fight K-1 and succeed at it. He’s very good standing.

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by Leland Roling on Aug 17, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He beat Musashi.

Who is a legend in K-1.

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by ElliotMatheny on Aug 17, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

Musashi hasn’t been a finalist since ‘04, and he’s a shell of his former self. Mousasi crushed him badly.

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by Leland Roling on Aug 17, 2009 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mousasi Musashi reminds me of the seltzer salsa skit on Seinfeld

by MrBlond3 on Aug 18, 2009 1:25 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

well, now i’m more interested in the mousasi v fedor exhibition grappling thing-a-ma-doo. never could i have been convinced he’d take out babalu that quickly

i mean i know it’s not mma, but what if he subs fedor?

by Headkick on Aug 17, 2009 1:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

What about Hector Lombard?

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by Warhand on Aug 17, 2009 1:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Fights at 185. Mousasi has moved up now, and Lombard is basically too small for him now.

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by Beer Monster on Aug 17, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

3 fights with Bellator still...

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by Leland Roling on Aug 17, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

From Sherdog's P&M Thread:

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by themachiavellian on Aug 17, 2009 2:27 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Beautiful technique! Honestly, I’m probably a little more anxious to see Gegard in the UFC than Fedor.

by cmsove on Aug 17, 2009 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry to double post but I LOVE how Mousasi keeps the underhook as they go to the floor and blocks Babalu knee with his own knee to avoid guard.

by cmsove on Aug 17, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

SF already works with M-1. SO Mo Lawal is a possibility

by Meshuggeth on Aug 17, 2009 2:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, a real possibility of getting his face connected on as his striking is ridiculously sloppy.

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by Leland Roling on Aug 17, 2009 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nedkov/King Mo in a “sloppy striker gets Mousasi” match?

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by Beer Monster on Aug 17, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He actually kind of looks like Cro Cop IMO

both in looks and disposition, calm and collected

by amadeus on Aug 17, 2009 2:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

A mix between A.Silva’s and Crocop maybe? Calm, deadly and potentially funny.

You don't look like a Tanaka.

by spectaa on Aug 17, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cro cop is actually quite funny in some of his interviews!!!

Check out some of his quotes if you haven’t seen them. Good stuff.

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by Well Read Idiot on Aug 18, 2009 8:07 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can kind of see it.

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by Leland Roling on Aug 17, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Everyone go watch Mousas loss to Gono.. its a great fight with an incredible arm bar finish. Mousasi was only 19 at the time!

by pandaboy99 on Aug 17, 2009 4:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

oops math error he was 21

by pandaboy99 on Aug 17, 2009 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought Babalu was gonna take this partially due to his more technical wrestling. Here’s my meal tonight.

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by Rundownloser on Aug 17, 2009 5:50 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Don't worry

just read some earlier posts, you made the right choice given the information available at the time. Those who picked Mousasi are just FOOLS!

by David_ on Aug 17, 2009 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Matt Serra.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Aug 17, 2009 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m sorry, I don’t understand.

by David_ on Aug 17, 2009 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's saying it was a fluke

Amazing but true, apparently.

by yarky1 on Aug 17, 2009 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What I am saying, is that the person who won is not always the person who is the smart bet to win the fight.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Aug 17, 2009 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Would you take him in a rematch at +190? You know, since it is the smart bet.

by David_ on Aug 18, 2009 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You should have a lot of company, but apparently a lot of people are allergic to crow. Congratulations on being one of the few people here with the personal integrity and intellectual honesty to admit when you’re wrong. I strive for those things in my own life, but then I come here and see people insisting that Babalu was the smart bet…

by yarky1 on Aug 17, 2009 6:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It was the smart bet. Every single bet is percentages. Sometimes the lower percentage happens.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Aug 17, 2009 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It’s pretty clear that Mousasi winning was the higher percentage. But you have to be able to watch fights and discern skill to have known that.

by yarky1 on Aug 17, 2009 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Get over yourself. How is it pretty clear that Mousasi winning was the higher percentage?

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Aug 17, 2009 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Watch the fight

Let me ask you a question: If there was a rematch, do you think the odds would:

A. Remain the same;
B. Reflect a greater likelihood of Mousasi winning; or
C. Reflect a greater likelihood of Babalu winning

I think any sane person who is approaching this honestly would say that the answer is B. A lot of people thought Mousasi was a lock before the fight, and others thought that he would most likely lose or that it was a tossup. Who was right?

by yarky1 on Aug 17, 2009 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Betting-wise, Sobral had unreal value. End of discussion.

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by Leland Roling on Aug 17, 2009 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

OK

If you say so. I thought Mousasi had great value, and he did in fact win. But I guess you guys aren’t going to let a little thing like facts get in the way of your lovely theories.

by yarky1 on Aug 17, 2009 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The result of a fight has absolutely no relevance whatsoever in the odds and percentages of either fighter winning before the fight. It allows some perspective going forward, but nothing looking backwards.

Matt Serra beat GSP, however GSP was the smart bet.

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by iiowyn on Aug 17, 2009 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

One more

Of course the result has relevance on the the odds. The odds are about determined by peoples’ predictions, as reflected in their betting tendencies. The event vindicated some predictions and not others.

The Serra comparison is ridiculous. Serra got lucky. Mousasi destroyed Babalu. And having said that, it’s likely (though not certain of course) that the odds did under represent Serra’s true chances of beating GSP in their first fight.

by yarky1 on Aug 17, 2009 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, it doesn’t. You don’t seem to understand the concept of betting lines.

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by Beer Monster on Aug 17, 2009 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Enlighten me, O wise one.

by yarky1 on Aug 17, 2009 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’d like to point out that both leland and beermonster do in fact have a pretty good grasp on betting lines before you get too flustered about “facts getting in the way of their lovely theories,” as they are respectively #1 and #2 in bets out of this entire website on mma playground

by phantasma475 on Aug 18, 2009 2:33 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, that’s not relevant to this latest branch of the discussion.

And regardless of past success, if they’d both take Babalu over Mousasi in a rematch with the same odds, I’d have to question their ability to make objective decisions.

by yarky1 on Aug 18, 2009 5:26 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What the hell does a rematch have to do with anything?

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by Well Read Idiot on Aug 18, 2009 8:13 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not sure if you’ve been following the discussion, but there is a group of people who are insisting that they were right to think that Babalu was a good bet at the odds, even after seeing the fight. So the question is: Given our new information on the relative abilities of the two fighters, were the betting odds aligned with the true chances of each guy winning, were they understating Mousasi’s chances of winning, or were they understating Babalu’s chances of winning? The answer seems obvious to me, but others have aggressively disagreed.

It’s not the worst thing in the world to make a bad call. I’ve certainly done it myself. But the way we learn is by admitting that and trying to understand why we were wrong.

by yarky1 on Aug 18, 2009 8:28 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

After seeing the fight doesn’t have any effect on what was the right decision before the fight.

by Phildo on Aug 18, 2009 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thankyou.

Yarky, see below re. unanswered questions going into the bout…

'He built his whole reputation as a waffle house chef. They’ve been serving him up ham and eggs with a side of canned tomatoes' - Don Frye on Fedor Emelianenko

by Well Read Idiot on Aug 18, 2009 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have been betting for some time now, and I understand the line as exactly that; and attempt by the odds makers to guess what number would bring equal action to both sides of the match.

by David_ on Aug 18, 2009 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

should be: “an attempt”

by David_ on Aug 18, 2009 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mousasi didn’t have the value that Sobral did for the level of experience that he had, that’s the discussion.

Sobral was an underdog value bet… Mousasi wasn’t, so technically… Mousasi wasn’t a value bet at all because you had to spend more money to make more. In terms of the match-up, Mousasi was at an EXCELLENT line though. Which is why I parlayed him.

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by Leland Roling on Aug 21, 2009 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

"intellectual honesty?"

and “personal integrity?” seriously? I think it’s a bit of a stretch to attacking someone’s moral fiber because they disagree with you on a pick.

like I said earlier, I picked mousasi but I don’t think it was an obvious bet… he was losing the kang fight before denis straight up triangled himself. he was losing the jacare fight until he scored on the upkick. also take into account hes still moving up from MW, babalu has been very successful at fighting LHWs and HWs for years

by phantasma475 on Aug 17, 2009 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

???

“I think it’s a bit of a stretch to attacking someone’s moral fiber because they disagree with you on a pick.”

That is a truly bizarre interpretation of my post. Try reading it again.

by yarky1 on Aug 17, 2009 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You are implying that people who didn’t pick Mousasi are being intellectually dishonest and lacking personal integrity if they do not “admit they were wrong”.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Aug 17, 2009 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep

See, I’m not saying anything about anyone’s pick. I’m talking about whether people have the intellectual honesty and integrity to admit when they were wrong, which they indisputably were in this case.

by yarky1 on Aug 17, 2009 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

People who don’t realize how good Mousasi is (and has been for a little while) must think he is the luckiest guy in MMA.

by yarky1 on Aug 17, 2009 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He is both lucky and skilled.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Aug 17, 2009 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I´m beginning to think that you lost more than just a couple of buck in this fight. Sorry if that is true.

by David_ on Aug 18, 2009 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t gamble, but I am fascinated with math and probabilities. I play collectible card games and have had some success at it, and the use of probabilities to control luck is a big part of the game. To me, skill is the ability to use the opportunities that luck provides you.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Aug 18, 2009 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know some probability and statistics myself, I studied them quite a bit while getting my physics engineering and math degrees. Unfortunately, they really don´t do much for me while betting on sports.
To me, the way to be a successful gambler is to be able to predict fanatical trends and bet against them, this has worked pretty well for me. That is why i feel very confident in giving you this advice for when/if you decide to gamble: more than half of the times, betting on the least popular(famous) team/player/fighter is the better choice, and when the popular one is in fact the underdog, it is almost never a good pick.

by David_ on Aug 18, 2009 2:39 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I lost big on Sobral

But he was paying waaaaay too much for me not to gamble on him. He did have ways to win that fight, and there were question marks over Mousasi’s ground game.

After seeing the way which Gegard handled the clinch and takedown, It has certainly answered a couple of those questions. Kudos to him, but Yarky trying to argue like there was no chance Sobral could win is ridiculous.

'He built his whole reputation as a waffle house chef. They’ve been serving him up ham and eggs with a side of canned tomatoes' - Don Frye on Fedor Emelianenko

by Well Read Idiot on Aug 18, 2009 8:20 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

What I actually said

Was that Mousasi was a good bet at the odds. Please do me the courtesy of ridiculing my actual positions.

by yarky1 on Aug 18, 2009 9:22 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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