Strikeforce: Carano vs. Cyborg Results: Cris Cyborg Crushes Gina Carano
by Luke Thomas on Aug 16, 2009 12:08 AM EDT
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In a fight that was billed as the biggest women's fight in MMA history, it ended not even being very close.
Carano was able to land some advantages positions (mount), but could never do much with it. The face of women's MMA looked like half the athlete of Cyborg, moving slowly and losing a lot of positional wrestling and grappling battles.
Cyborg, by contrast, looked positively phenomenal. Carano willingly putting her back against the fence helped matters, but the known pocket exchanger didn't mind working a rough and tumble clinch game. She also dominated on takedowns and appeared to be far stronger than the overwhelmed American.
While Strikeforce can put Erin Toughill in front of Cyborg next, it does not appear there are many challengers capable of being physically Cyborg's equal.
Cris Cyborg stops Gina Carano at nearly the exact mark of round one.
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Gina just doesn’t seem to be a fighter. She seems to lack the heart of one at least.
by FlyByKnight on Aug 16, 2009 12:10 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If she lacked the heart she would have been done way earlier than that.
"You guys are jerking eachother off with some pseudo deep bullshit." - Kid Nate
by kyfm621 on Aug 16, 2009 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It makes no difference when she was finished. She gave up a lot sooner than that. Her ground game sucks so bad that Cyborg was controlling every aspect of the fight.
I just think people bought too much into the Carano hype. The real experts and people who actually know what they’re talking about knew it would end this way. Carano has no ground game at all and it cost her in this fight because Cyborg was able to get whatever she wanted. She dominated all five minutes. There was no point in the fight where I thought Gina was gaining the upper hand.
Gina needs to find out if she’s really a fighter or if she’s just doing this to get her name out there. To me she’s not a fighter.
by FlyByKnight on Aug 16, 2009 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So Forrest dosen’t have any heart either right?
Please. How about we wait a minute and see if theres an explanation.
I also like how you ignore her submission defense, mostly how she got out of that Americana.
"You guys are jerking eachother off with some pseudo deep bullshit." - Kid Nate
by kyfm621 on Aug 16, 2009 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Submission defense? Get out of here. She escaped it, sure, but Cyborg still pressed her so hard that Gina broke.
Cyborg kept Gina off guard and used it to squash her.
by FlyByKnight on Aug 16, 2009 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
…So she has no heart because she was overwhelmed by power? Are you fucking kidding me dude?
Gina looked terrible, but saying she has no heart is a bit far fetched.
"You guys are jerking eachother off with some pseudo deep bullshit." - Kid Nate
by kyfm621 on Aug 16, 2009 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
She wasn’t overwhelmed by power. She got overwhelmed by the situation. Don’t get it twisted.
Cyborg took a few hard shots from Gina and walked through them. That was discouraging to Gina.
Who the fuck gets full mount and gives it up? Seriously.
by FlyByKnight on Aug 16, 2009 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Situation…shitty blocking against a powerful puncher. Are we seeing eye to eye here? Same thing, different terminologies.
Despite the heart thing, I completely agree on the full mount thing, she was landing punches…what the fuck was she doing…
"You guys are jerking eachother off with some pseudo deep bullshit." - Kid Nate
by kyfm621 on Aug 16, 2009 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What?
Watch again and see that Cyborg had the Americana, lost it and Gina lifted her elbow back up again gift-wrapping it for her to take again. Giving it back after getting out of it is not stellar “defense”.
by SizeMatters on Aug 16, 2009 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it was obvious early on that Gina was outmatched, just like Forrest v Silva. Not that they don’t have any heart, but both clearly looked broken early on in their respective fights.
by CliChe Guevara on Aug 16, 2009 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Totally agree...
with the no ground/clinch game comment. She has used the standing head-lock (if that’s what you want to call it) whenever in close quarters and I called it before this fight. She’ll wrap her arms around the head and I knew Cyborg had the strength to whip her down, which she did. The elbow was consistently pushed over Cyborg’s head giving up her back.
Where the F does this technique come from or why is it not coached out of her? It’s not like this is her first fight. I watched this in previous fights and called this out as being a problem in here game yet it’s still there over a year later. This is basic, beginner stuff but that’s what she looked like in tight action, a beginner.
I think her heart was fine in the fight but maybe not so much in the gym.
by SizeMatters on Aug 16, 2009 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I wondered the same thing
How can her coaches let her keep on doing the same extremely basic mistake ? I’ve never seen anybody grab a headlock in a MMA fight and not get their back taken. I wonder if maybe even her trainers bought into her hype too much, and didn’t coach her properly.
by koroshiya on Aug 16, 2009 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What does that say for the seven women she beat?
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Aug 16, 2009 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They were smaller than her.
("you don’t like Brock" – helping Weobo out)
by mythbuster on Aug 16, 2009 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
playing the devil's advocate
could it have been the layoff (ringrust). my money was on cyborg, buti was hoping it woulda gone past the first round….
by dugmouth on Aug 16, 2009 1:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I mentioned that on a different post. Considering she has been out almost a year it has to be possibility.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Aug 16, 2009 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gina looked real bad tonight…she looked frozen, nervous…and she paid the price.
"You guys are jerking eachother off with some pseudo deep bullshit." - Kid Nate
by kyfm621 on Aug 16, 2009 12:11 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This actually helps the UFC. Gina would be a far bigger draw than Cris and now that she lost, she has lost a lot of her hype. So that is one less big draw StrikeFarce i mean StrikeForce can use effectively
by SouthAlaBamaRampage on Aug 16, 2009 12:13 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed, a non-english speaking champion doesn’t help them.
by thesource on Aug 16, 2009 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Callet it.
“Cyborg by physical domination.”
This was never going to be a good fight. Now Gina can stop thinking about training and start thinking about men.
by P4P is a stupid concept on Aug 16, 2009 12:16 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
From day one I knew Cyborg was going to crush Gina, I just didn’t have confidence in Strikeforce not prearranging the results. Looks like they didn’t in the end.
Mousasi needs to come to the UFC.
by goodbones on Aug 16, 2009 12:18 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Great win for Cyborg. =) She deserved it.
by Nick Thomas on Aug 16, 2009 12:20 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Laila Ali + BJJ training, continue the american gladiator theme
by Ashurbanipal on Aug 16, 2009 12:22 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
First let me say
Told you: bet the house on Cyborg.
Here’s the problem: Cyborg absolutely destroyed Gina. So is there any woman who could do better against her? Any woman who wouldn’t be 5-10 pounds down against Cyborg?
And people would still show up in much greater numbers to watch Carano fight. So now you have a champion no one wants to see, but whom no one can beat.
A wise man told me don't argue with fools
Cause people from a distance can't tell who is who
by thetakeover on Aug 16, 2009 12:22 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
So now you have a champion no one wants to see, but whom no one can beat.
Sounds familiar?
by sundaysfinest on Aug 16, 2009 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, because I don’t pay attention to idiots. :)
"You guys are jerking eachother off with some pseudo deep bullshit." - Kid Nate
by kyfm621 on Aug 16, 2009 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I want to see her fight, am I weird? Put her against sean sherk!
You don't look like a Tanaka.
by spectaa on Aug 16, 2009 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Carano is serious about fighting MMA, she will make a weight that is uncomfortable, but puts her in a position to succeed. Cyborg was too big for her.
by TwoNuse on Aug 16, 2009 12:23 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
wut?
Gina has trouble getting to that weight, you think she can go a weight class lower?
("you don’t like Brock" – helping Weobo out)
by mythbuster on Aug 16, 2009 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah.
Cyborg was maybe a little bigger, but 145 is the right size for Gina. Strength and her ability on the ground I think are the two most glaring advantages Cyborg had over Gina.
by Cannon Jacques on Aug 16, 2009 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mike Brown vs. Cyborg for the WEC Belt
by Sokonojudo on Aug 16, 2009 12:24 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
LOL… the announcers couldnt believe it. You could hear the fear in their voices that all their jobs were fading away before their eyes.
What a disgrace… what a disservice to cyborg.
by mmalogic on Aug 16, 2009 12:26 AM EDT reply actions 4 recs
Yeah, the announcers were marking out bigtime for Carano. They did everything but jump in to the cage and pull Cyborg off her.
A wise man told me don't argue with fools
Cause people from a distance can't tell who is who
by thetakeover on Aug 16, 2009 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was amazing… they were literally trying to ignore the refs call.
What a fucking disgrace.
by mmalogic on Aug 16, 2009 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree. It was OBVIOUS to anyone that is a MMA fan that Gina was done and that the stoppage was appropriate. Not only that, but the referee can stop the fight at any time, regardless of if the bell rang or not. Example: Look at the Sherk/Penn fight. Ref stops the fight after the bell when he notices that Sherk is clearly done, just like Gina was here.
by filipinomix2oo0 on Aug 16, 2009 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Reminded me a lot of Goldberg and Rogan openly rooting for Chuck against Wanderlei. Biased announcing sucks.
by Andy R on Aug 16, 2009 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Those fuckers don’t deserve jobs
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Aug 16, 2009 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No surprise. You think they want to screw over Bud again?
A wise man told me don't argue with fools
Cause people from a distance can't tell who is who
by thetakeover on Aug 16, 2009 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What a bunch of killjoys.
Keep firing Assholes!
Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead.
by Ubernoober on Aug 16, 2009 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i was hoping they’d magically cut to unseen footage of the buffer 360, during the intros, but it was not to be.
by woooburn on Aug 16, 2009 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you guys think Gina’s cut zapped her gas tank? She looked slow pretty early.
by Nick Thomas on Aug 16, 2009 12:29 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Could be
I mean, she just looked sluggish from the start. Could have been the cut or could have just been ring rust, either way she had none of the explosiveness she has shown in the past.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Aug 16, 2009 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
She was cutting a lot more going to 140, and looking like she was on death’s door at the weigh ins, than she had to for this match.
by Cannon Jacques on Aug 16, 2009 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gina has always been slow like that
and cyborg as always been fast and brutal. To me, this fight was extremely easy to call.
by judonerd on Aug 16, 2009 1:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, hollywood killed her…. being the “face” killed her. She’s not a fighter anymore. I dont expect her to ever fight again.
by mmalogic on Aug 16, 2009 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously?
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Aug 16, 2009 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that’s a little over the top. I agree that being the face of womens MMA put immense pressure on her…but she’ll be back.
http://www.fourouncestofreedom.com
by Beer Monster on Aug 16, 2009 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No.
Cyborg is just better at this point in time.
by Cannon Jacques on Aug 16, 2009 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought she was just overwhelmed. Cyborg came with a lot of pressure. Gina didn’t seem to handle it well.
by Andy R on Aug 16, 2009 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cyborg was better in the strength and ground departments. Also Cyborg looked more into the fight, while honestly Carano looked nervous as hell, and didn’t at all follow the gameplan of keeping her back off the fence.
by filipinomix2oo0 on Aug 16, 2009 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great fight
Both fighters put it all out there to put on an exciting albeit one sided fight. Great action. I’ll definitely be watching the next time either fight.
by cyke on Aug 16, 2009 12:29 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
carano needs to learn to keep her back of the cage she always gets put in that position
by ldglass on Aug 16, 2009 12:31 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hey mmalogic
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
by P Brady on Aug 16, 2009 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see you're back to crazy
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
by P Brady on Aug 16, 2009 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, there goes womens mma down the shit hole.
by Bandaka on Aug 16, 2009 12:33 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Why don’t we wait and see how the public reacts, and see what Gina’s thoughts are on getting back in the cage, ect ect. I think women’s mma will be just fine.
"You guys are jerking eachother off with some pseudo deep bullshit." - Kid Nate
by kyfm621 on Aug 16, 2009 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup, much like Kimbo, this is what happens when you build an entire franchise on one charismatic player
A wise man told me don't argue with fools
Cause people from a distance can't tell who is who
by thetakeover on Aug 16, 2009 12:38 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
except Gina didn’t get floored by an Off-Step Jab by a purple haired person. She had mount at once too. She’ll be back (hopefully).
by Sokonojudo on Aug 16, 2009 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, to have the time and energy to flag every one of the absurdly ignorant, sexist comments surrounding the Cyborg/Carano fight… it says a lot that this site is one of the better places for intelligent MMA commentary, and yet we still get all this nonsense. I had my expectations low and yet somehow I’m still disappointed.
by JRN on Aug 16, 2009 12:40 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
man we're trying
to moderate but it’s a volume question.
We’re going to be recruiting more mods from the community very soon.
Follow me on Twitter @KidNate
by Kid Nate on Aug 16, 2009 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lessening stress sounds like a good idea.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Aug 16, 2009 1:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
For the record: I am a graduate student, unemployed, train BJJ, and have followed MMA since the 90s. Feel free to hit me up.
I also just got back from Strikeforce and Scott Smith was wasted.
BOOSH
by Farthammer on Aug 16, 2009 2:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What did you think of it? I went to the SF event in June and was rather unimpressed. It just seems kind of amateurish to me, at least compared to the UFC.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Aug 16, 2009 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have never been to a UFC event
but this is my second Strikeforce event in San Jose. I loved it – my seats both times were 50 feet from the cage, and all the fighters walked around the whole time interacting with the fans. I shook hands with El Guapo, Don Frye, Nate Diaz, Brett Rogers, Scott Smith (who really was drunk as balls – me and my buddies were giving him shit then tried to buy him a shot. He was down, but his manager/handler was trying to reign him in), Kevin Randleman, Jake Shields, etc..they all took a ton of time to sign autographs and pose for pics.
And I enjoyed the fights as well. Except for the Taylor/Hieron fight – I was bored on that one.
BOOSH
by Farthammer on Aug 16, 2009 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cyborg Carano
Carano simply got outfought, its really no more complicated than that.
by sonnyboy1 on Aug 16, 2009 12:49 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i wasnt able to watch the fight.
sounds like it was a pretty convincing win for cyborg, but with it ending so close to the bell, is there gonna be some manufactured “controversy” over whether it shouldve been stopped or not? i wouldn’t be suprised if they try to build to a rematch. hard to tell from the play-by-play if it was stopped right at the horn or not.
by woooburn on Aug 16, 2009 12:57 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The only people manufacturing controversy are either drunk, or in the booth commenting the fight. The fight needed to be stopped, Gina had given up all defense and just curled up. She wouldn’t have made it to her stool.
"You guys are jerking eachother off with some pseudo deep bullshit." - Kid Nate
by kyfm621 on Aug 16, 2009 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Completely agree. Gina was done.
by filipinomix2oo0 on Aug 16, 2009 1:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
by woooburn on Aug 16, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
5 Minute Rounds Really Affected This Fight...
3 Minute rounds would definitely have changed the fight.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Aug 16, 2009 1:53 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You know your right if it was 3 min rounds Gina would of been TKO’d in the 2nd
"Frank Mir had a horseshoe up his ass. I told him a year ago. I pulled it out of him and I beat him over the head with it." Brock Lesnar
by pitbull187 on Aug 16, 2009 1:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And she would have gotten a much needed breather. It was apparent she wasn’t ready for 5 minute rounds and dealing with that type of aggression.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Aug 16, 2009 2:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If women want legitimacy in MMA, then they should fight 5 minutes rounds like the men. Don’t make excuses for her.
by filipinomix2oo0 on Aug 16, 2009 2:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lol Isn’t what women want always equality?
by thesource on Aug 16, 2009 3:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have no sympathy for Gina. She got what she deserved. You train the way she did, you deserve to lose the same way.
by FlyByKnight on Aug 16, 2009 3:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup
Not saying otherwise. I have been on the website saying that Cyborg would win AND that she was more technical and has fought 5 minute rounds before in Brazil. Just hoping the fight would be more than 1 round but, what can you do.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Aug 16, 2009 3:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
5 minute rounds are fine for female fighters. The last fight (forgot who it was) was 5 minute rounds and the women fought constantly, never gassed.
Also, Cyborg did fine for the whole 5 minutes.
Carano needs to work on her cardio if she wants to compete at the pro level, eh.
by mythbuster on Aug 16, 2009 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Finally saw the fight this morning.
I hated the Commentary. Completely disrespected Cyborg.
"He built his whole reputation (as a) waffle house chef. They've been serving him up ham and eggs with a side of canned tomatoes." - Don Frye on Fedor Emelianenko
by Deo Wade on Aug 16, 2009 9:14 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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