Has Strikeforce Put Gilbert Melendez at a Slight Disadvantage?
One of the more appealing bouts on the Strikeforce: Carano vs. Cyborg main card is the Lightweight Interim title match-up between Gilbert Melendez and Mitsuhiro Ishida. Most of the interest surrounding the bout revolves around their previous tilt back at Yarennoka! on New Year's Eve of 2007 in which Ishida was the first man to defeat Melendez in his career and put some criticism to Melendez's ranking at the time.
The battle featured two very good wrestlers that also have solid boxing skills, but Ishida was visibly the much quicker opponent. He also came into the bout with a strategy to tie up Melendez, put him on his back as many times as he could, and control Melendez till the final bell. It worked fantastically as Melendez really couldn't get any sort of offensive rhythm going during the fight. Ishida took the decision along with Melendez's undefeated record.
Melendez has been a bit vocal recently about the speed at which Strikeforce replaced the injured Josh Thomson with Mitsuhiro Ishida. He spoke with MMAJunkie.com about it recently:
"I was definitely a little frustrated when I started hearing rumors (that Thomson may pull out)," Melendez said. "I just wanted [Thomson] to either commit and fight injured or commit and not fight because he's injured. You can't be like, 'Maybe I'm going to fight you' for three weeks.
"If you're injured, it's cool, man. But I know there was three weeks where I was just wondering if I was going to fight him or not. Ishida has known he's going to be fighting me, but I've known I'm going to fight Ishida for (only) a week and a half."
Melendez said he felt the speed at which Strikeforce secured a replacement led him to believe Ishida may have enjoyed a slight advantage by having a few additional days to prepare.
"I have no problem with, 'Hey, the guy just pulled out and we've got a replacement,'" Melendez said. "The day Josh pulled out, one second later Ishida was in. I was like, 'That doesn't really work that way.' It doesn't. It takes a couple of days, usually. So it's a little fishy to me, and I'm a little bothered by that."
From a few other interviews I've read, it sounds like a combination of Thomson's reluctance to back out of the fight and Strikeforce's slowness in officially announcing the replacement may have given his new opponent, Mitsuhiro Ishida, an advantage.
To be perfectly honest, Melendez's suspicions aren't unwarranted. Strikeforce must have already had Ishida training for a bout with Melendez, and while they probably thought that he would need to get his body in-shape and build a gameplan for Melendez... I doubt they thought about Melendez's side of the new bout. Melendez may have trained more than Ishida, but he still has to adjust to a completely different opponent than that of Josh Thomson now on a shorter timeframe.
Strikeforce ultimately has a good strategy in place though. They likely booked a replacement ahead of time when Thomson hurt himself, and he began to train for the possibility of fighting Melendez. I think it would have been a better practice to let Melendez know that Ishida was on the docket as a potential replacement though instead of leaving him in the dark.
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I think it would have been a better practice to let Melendez know that Ishida was on the docket as a potential replacement though instead of leaving him in the dark.
Yeah. I don’t see Strikeforce intentionally trying to sabotage one of the few stars that they have built up over the years.
I don’t think it was intentional, and I don’t think Melendez is saying that here. I just think he’s a bit frustrated that Ishida may have known about this for 3 weeks, and then they suddenly announce Thomson is out and Ishida is in at the same time.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 14, 2009 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
But even by Melendez' own admission
Ishida only knew for a week and a half longer than he did. In the grand scheme of things, does that make that big of a difference for fighters?
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
Technically, it could if the gameplan change for Melendez is dramatic.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 14, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I understand,
but my point was that Ishida only found out a week & a half before Melendez did. That seems pretty equal to me, but I am not a fighter so I do not know this would work.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
We don’t know that. Ishida may have known for possibly 3 weeks beforehand or could have been tabbed as replacement for Thomson when SF found out about the injury.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 14, 2009 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I was just going off what Melendez himself said in
the article. If he did no for a while longer then I am in agreement, but a week and a half does not seem like that much of an advantage could be gained.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
Strikeforce told Ishida to prepare as a replacement for Thomson, because Strikeforce wasn’t sure if Thomson would be cleared to fight. This is a great practive by Strikeforce, but it would also be unfair to Melendez if he had to prepare for 2 different fighters at once if Thomson was actually cleared.
On the other hand, I have heard people also mention that it is unfair to Ishida to have a short training camp for a title fight.
Either way, I think it all evens out, really.
How can you prepare for two different fighters at once? That makes no sense anyways. It’d still be more beneficial for Melendez to at least start wrestling much more for a week in anticipation, and then move back to the Thomson gameplan had he actually been able to fight. He’d have more weeks under his belt for Thomson already.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 14, 2009 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Because Strikeforce was 50/50 on whether Thomson was going to fight. If Thomson was cleared, it would have had no impact on Melendez. I agree with what you guys are saying though.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Aug 14, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Melendez would have preferred to know who the replacement could potentially have been. Not really a disadvantage in knowing that info…
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by Well Read Idiot on Aug 14, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
No option is ideal, but Melendez deserved to know what is going on.
Strikeforce probably could have avoided the problem had they simply forced Thompson to make a decision sooner rather than let him delay for so long.
Agreed...
We have two sides here:
1) Melendez has had a nice long training camp but only found out he was fighting Ishida 2 weeks prior.
2) Ishida had only a few weeks training camp but has known he could fight Melendez a 2 weeks before Melendez did.
The only problem here is that Thomson said he was going to fight no matter what. He should have been up front about the situation and then Strikeforce should have let Melendez know that Ishida was going to be his replacement.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Aug 14, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, this kinda sucks for Melendez. A rematch with Ishida is a big deal to him and having minimal (and less) notice than his hugging opponent isn’t cool but what are you gonna do.
The Punk punked him.
by The Real T-Bone on Aug 14, 2009 2:53 PM EDT reply actions
war gil!!!
but I’m not convinced he can get the w
by cagefightonacid on Aug 14, 2009 3:52 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Big Deal!
Like Melendez is unprepared. He’s been thinking about Ishida’s style every day since he lost, knowing that he would want to beat him in a rematch. It’s not like he’s fighting an unknown phenom. But he will lose again, as Ishida will pound him out.

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