Professional MMA Fighters Predict a Winner for Strikeforce: Carano vs. Cyborg
by Luke Thomas on Aug 14, 2009 9:53 AM EDT
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The responses run the gamut from the political:
Brodie Farber: I have absolutely no interest in watching women fight. I’ll be sure to tune into a different channel during that time.
To the reasonable:
Randy Couture: I believe Gina Carano will take this fight over by the third round, using solid footwork and punching combinations to frustrate Cyborg and wear her down. I’m sure I’m a little biased, but she looks great and has had a very good camp. It should be a monumental fight for women’s MMA.
Ricardo Liborio: Carano by decision.
Jake Shields: I see it being a very close fight, with Gina being more technical and Cyborg being the stronger of the two, but I see conditioning being the deciding factor. With this being their first title fight and jumping from three- to five-minute rounds, it is gonna be a big change for both. But with Gina having a more experienced camp, I will pick her because they should be aware of this and have spent adequate time conditioning her.
Charlie Valencia: Carano wins by decision. How can you hit that beautiful face?
Chael Sonnen: Cyborg? I thought he was a middleweight.
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given the parties involved, i’m not convinced both will make weight. Any chance they would make the title bout be at a higher weight if one misses weight?
Rumors are that Carano is way down in weight, and she had to start eating to cut properly. Carano will make weight for sure if that’s the case. It’s at 145, man… not 140.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 14, 2009 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Exactly. Everyone makes a big deal about making weight, but Carano had problems making 135 and 140. She has never missed at 145.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Aug 14, 2009 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Real Question
How many fights has she had at 145?
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by Richard Wade on Aug 14, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
^This...
is a simple but important question. Travis Lutter has never missed at 205 that I’m aware of.
by Cannon Jacques on Aug 14, 2009 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Chael Sonnen: Cyborg? I thought he was a middleweight.
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I hate Chael. Everything about him from his goofy Utah-sounding name to his Dana-ass-kissing video to his tapping, saying he tapped, and then denying the whole thing.
But that was the best comment ever.
Also, is anyone outside Chute Boxe picking Cristiane?
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Agreed…
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by Leland Roling on Aug 14, 2009 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
you'd be surprised
A lot of people – even here – seem to think she’ll be overwhelmed by Cris’ aggression.
I think Cris’ too sloppy and tactically limited so she’ll get picked apart if not KO’d or subbed.
I don’t really have a feel for Santos’ skills. We’ve seen so little of her that it’s hard for me to really have a pick for that fight. I’d like to root for her, but – and yes, this is more sexist, lookist, chauvinist bullshit – it’s probably better for the sport’s growth in America if Carano wins.
Either way, it’s a fight I’ll be happy to download. :-) (Sorry, Coker.)
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Chael gets +1 for the funny
I’m not a fan of his fighting style, but he is always good for a humorous quip in those ‘fighters pick’ columns.
Indeed. I also like his “I’m a republican and we don’t do that” quip regarding having people in your guard. Ignorant, but funny.
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by Rundownloser on Aug 14, 2009 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
i wonder if he would have the balls to say that in her face.
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Probably not, especially if Evangelista was around.
Also, who the fuck is Brodie Farber? Massive lulz @ these fighters all butthurt ’cause the girls are getting more shine than them.
by Chris Nelson on Aug 14, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope they test Cristiane Santos after the fight. Is it just me or does she have “masculine” facial features usually brought on in female athletes using steroids?
they should look through her husbands luggage
to see if he brought the ugly stick with him
by Austin Martin on Aug 14, 2009 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Ok, that’s enough of making fun of Cyborg’s appearance. Your comments are fine, but if I don’t stop this now it’ll get out of hand. Let’s talk about some other aspect than Cyborg’s looks.
by Luke Thomas on Aug 14, 2009 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
AGREED
sorry. This is an MMA website not gossip mag. Although, in my defense, they promoters or chance itself really couldn’t have handpicked a better beauty vs. well you know type of fight.
by Austin Martin on Aug 14, 2009 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
You’re obviously new. There aren’t any other beauties out there for Carano to fight. And you have to have a match-up that is actually main event worthy. Cyborg vs. Carano has been in the making for quite some time. I’m not sure exactly what you expected. Pam Anderson vs. Gina Carano?
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by Leland Roling on Aug 14, 2009 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm new to posting on THIS website
because others i’ve been on have unfortunately become filled with what I apparently look like right now, a troll.
I’ve been an advocate of this fight being the main event because of its significance to MMA. I feel like the ring rust for Carano will be a factor. In the past shes looked overwhelmed in the beginning of her fights and i think Cyborg is going to bull rush her wanderlei style to try to get a knockout, which i think she will. However, if carano can withstand the onslaught through the first round, i think that she can outpoint Cyborg. The conditioning is really the biggest factor. Carano always looks a little soft, and i’ve questioned her cardio in a 3 round fight, nevermind a 5 rounder. Cyborg’s cardio is effected differently because she is more solid muscle so she’ll have to dehydrate herself more. I really don’t know who to pick… I’d rather Carano, because i think her image is better for WMMA, but i like Cyborg and chute boxes really agressive style.
I’m still going to go with Cyborg first round KO
by Austin Martin on Aug 14, 2009 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Actually, there are a lot of Brazilian athletes that you could say have masculine facial features… but haven’t you ever noticed that supermodels have masculine facial features as well. The difference is that Cyborg is masculine in her physique. Her shoulders are probably the most prominent feature.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 14, 2009 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Just wanted to say – I made a comment about Cyborg looking manly and got a warning from a mod , then I see you quoting an mma fighter basically saying the same thing .
I’m just saying …bloodyelbow should stick to a coherent policy
The policy is coherent. When Dana calls Loretta Hunt a bitch, it’s news. When a commenter says the same thing it’s not.
Eh. The policy is semi-coherent. If I say that I agreed with Dana and support his statement, is that worthy of a flag?
Keeping a site like this running and keeping the comments on track is always going to involve judgment calls. I don’t always agree with the admins here, but they’re trying.
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Also, not every comment gets read by every member of the staff and different people are going to respond differently to similar comments.
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by Richard Wade on Aug 14, 2009 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s true, some people would have rec’d my comment on how the only thing missing from the next Adrenaline card is Matt Lindland, but instead it got hidden. Sigh.
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That’s bull man . Dana White is the president of the UFC and he publicly called a female reporter some nasty words . When they ‘reported’ it , it was as huge articles that included a lot of criticism on White. Now here u have a quote of Chael Sonnen (wow , what a celebrity) calling cyborg a man . The quote is just given as it is . No criticism on Chael , no nothing .On the contrary – it’s under the title “sexually charged” , which is totally humoristic . Are you really gonna argue with me this quote is “news” ? It was put there to be funny.
The fact is, Cyborg is a male and a middleweight… Evangelista “Cyborg” Santos, Cristiane’s husband and nick-namesake. The joke is somewhat more witty than merely saying that she looks like a man—as with most jokes, the context and set up is as important as the punchline itself.
It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.
There’s a difference between YOU saying it in the comments and a FIGHTER being quoted as stating it. We are reporting what someone else said. I don’t know what the comment was you stated in the past or who warned you, so I’ll stay out of that discussion.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 14, 2009 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Please – they took his quote and made it look funnier by giving the title “sexually charged” . If Bloodyelbow wants to discourage “fighter bashing” (whatever the hell that is) I would expect it not to give funny titles to insulting quotes. Who the hell is Chael Sonnen ? Everything he says counts as “news” ? No , it was just a funny quote put under a funny title . I’m just fine with it , but when people like me make these comments it’s wrong ? What the hell …
And just my humble opinion I don’t think the freedom of speech level here should be the same as in Iran or North Korea
It really doesn’t matter what you think the freedom of speech level should be or shouldn’t be. That’s why these comments aren’t rampant with ridiculous shit like MMAJunkie or Sherdog.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 14, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
You ignored most of what I said – whoever wrote the article could’ve put this quote under “chauvenist pig” or “classless asshole” or whatever . But he chose to give it a funny title (or if not funny – at least not negative). That’s all I said – it’s being inconsistent .
When a fighter says it – it’s news and you can even present it in a funny way . When a reader like myself says it – he gets a warning and his post is deleted.
You wanna ban me or whatever you can do anything you want (literally) . I made a few fanposts here and was basically being positive. Also – why doesn’t it matter to you what readers think ? I’m not saying you should do whatever I say , but if it was my site I would at least consider other opinions instead of saying “it really doesn’t matter”.
The “whoever” who wrote the article is me, the Editor-in-Chief of the site. And calling it “sexually charged” isn’t even remotely a joke nor was it intended to be. It’s a statement of fact.
As for you, I’m not sure what comment you got banned for, but so far none of your arguments are helping your case.
by Luke Thomas on Aug 14, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Not “banned” but warned. I don’t know what comment you received a warning for, that is.
by Luke Thomas on Aug 14, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
You are referencing a bunch of warnings and deletions that I have no clue about, man. Sorry if you’re hurt that your posts were hidden, or deleted in the past, but I don’t know about any of that.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 14, 2009 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, now I remember...
You posted a fanpost that was ONE PARAGRAPH long. It could have easily been a comment in a related post. So, I don’t see how that pertains to this conversation at all, like we’re holding your freedom of speech on the site.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 14, 2009 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I said that cyborg would fail a vagina test – that comment got me a warning and was deleted.
I used the word vagina , not anything dirty . I could care less the comment was deleted – hell Chael said it way funnier than I did (he’s actually quite the clown I see) , I was just surprised and somewhat indignant as a reader to see that his quote was treated as a joke , while my comment was treated like I threatened to murder Obama , that’s all .
I can dig the “we’re not Sherdog” but there’s a limit even to that , no ? . Can’t people make a joke?
I'm just going to shake my head and move on...
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by Leland Roling on Aug 14, 2009 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Also – why doesn’t it matter to you what readers think ? I’m not saying you should do whatever I say , but if it was my site I would at least consider other opinions instead of saying "it really doesn’t matter".
It does matter what our readers think… it just doesn’t matter what they think in regards to what we deem inappropriate, warn-able, or bannable. It’s to our own discretion, not yours. Your comment doesn’t pertain to the context of what I was saying. Perhaps you should try reading what I actually wrote first.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 14, 2009 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
i'm in agreement
that the Mods should keep this website as far as possible from mmajunkie, people don’t even discuss mma on that anymore
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by Austin Martin on Aug 14, 2009 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
It was his “vagina test” comment and I warned him.
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by Richard Wade on Aug 14, 2009 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ve always felt that Giselle had a more masculine face so I definitely see your point
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There is more to it as well. Like the tall, tall models. Their height is more of a male characteristic, high cheekbones, more masculine facelines, etc…
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by Leland Roling on Aug 14, 2009 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I feel like chael is so wrapped up in himself
he really thought they were talking about evangelista, either way its still funny. I’d tend to agree with valencia though, Gina is the only person who could be a ring girl for her own fight
I have absolutely no interest in watching women fight
While I, conversely ,have absolutely no interest in watching Brodie Faber fight.
by WanderleiNoooooo! on Aug 14, 2009 10:31 AM EDT reply actions
Rory Markham probably knocked something loose in his head with that head kick.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 14, 2009 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Farber’s comment is just one more example of how far women’s MMA has to go. Even people within the sport itself have massive prejudices against women fighting. Just imagine how people in the mainstream who are just getting past the ‘human cockfighting’ image feel about it. Now imagine how those people are going to feel when we see our first Stevenson-Edwards style bloodbath or a Belfort-Eastman level cut.
Just wait until Cyborg has bloodied up Carrano’s face “horror film” style. Even hardcore fans may turn off of women’s mma.
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It can’t be any worse than Saku’s face after Arona. Men, women, doesn’t matter, that was not a fun fight.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Aug 14, 2009 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
my sentiments exactly
go get your ass kicked by a Mario Bros. character
by blueballlefty on Aug 14, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I have nothing against women fighting, but I personally have no interest in watching women’s MMA. However… I am interested in this particular fight because of the skill and what it means for women’s MMA. I remain open-minded.
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Thats pretty much where I’m at as well. The women’s fights I have seen have been very technically sloppy and both fighters gas very early in the contest. Its a lot like low level independent men’s MMA. That being said I will watch this fight and I’m open to change my opinion.
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by Screwface on Aug 14, 2009 3:25 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, because Gina isn’t hot and you’d both rather stick lit matches on your eyes than look at her.
RIGHT.
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On an unrelated note: Kyle vs. Werdum has been promoted to the Showtime main card
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Wow! A top-15 heavyweight against a low-blowing un-ranked light-heavyweight on the main card! SWEET! Who’s picking Kyle? Anybody? Andybody? Bueller?
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Me too, I have absolutely no confidence in my bet, I even got werdum in my parlay.
You don't look like a Tanaka.
Why? He barely brings any value to your parlay at all.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 14, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Is it bad? I thought…if I bet some money on kyle, and put werdum in my parlay with my other favorite, at least if werdum lose I don’t end up naked. Something like a win-win situation. I’m still very new to this betting thing.
You don't look like a Tanaka.
Well, Werdum is a huge favorite… so he doesn’t add a whole lot of value to the parlay. It’d be better to go with someone who isn’t a huge favorite or an underdog for maximum profit.
I see what you’re trying to do, but I don’t think that’s going to work too well with Werdum added onto the parlay. He won’t make you much more money at all. It’d be way better to replace him with ANYONE else.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 14, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Werdum looked beastly in that training video I watched.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 14, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m not picking Kyle, but I will be watching in the hopes that Werdum goes all Babalu on Kyle and chokes him until he craps himself.
Man, if Babalu and Kyle both misbehave this fight could be even more doomed. Doomeder?
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Wohoo! I mentioned this a few days ago.
=)
by MMASuPreMaCy on Aug 14, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I worry for Carrano in this fight.
My gut tells me that Cyborg is going to absolutely destroy Carrano in this fight. The only thing Gina has over Cyborg is footwork imo. Cyborg is bigger, stronger, and meaner. I see Cyborg getting Carrano to the ground and keeping her there while unloading punishment. Good luck Gina this fight could get very messy for you.
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Footwork? Try WAY better stand-up striking… way fucking better striking. Cyborg has aggression. If Carano remains elusive, she could tire Cyborg out as well. There are actually multiple ways for Carano to win in my mind.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 14, 2009 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
This.
I also wouldn’t sell Gina short in the wrestling department. A lot of folk are assuming that Cyborg owns an advantage on the ground and I am not so sure. Gina has been training a great wrestling camp (Extreme Couture) for eons now and more than held her own on the ground with solid grapplers like Kedzie and Evinger. Evinger in particular is a very good wrestler and the fact that Gina finished her off with a choke is impressive. That is one more submission win than Cyborg has.
Well, Gina also had a significant size and strength advantage. Speaking of which….
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Over Evinger? Yeah.
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The hype that is Gina Carano will be revealed.
A lot of pros and well educated bloggers picked Forrest to beat Anderson Silva too. We will have to wait and see.
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I think that a lot of pros who train with Forrest picked Forrest.
The bloggers have no excuse.
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We All just Bought into what the UFC Sold us
about Griffin being able to beat Silva, which unfortunately was nowhere NEAR what happened.
I agree though, Carano has looked impressive a few times but vulnerable a lot of times that i’ve watched her…. coupled with the ring rust and tripled with cyborgs aggression, i see gina getting KTFO, and on national TV that could mean bad things for SF
by Austin Martin on Aug 14, 2009 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Speak for yourself...
I said Silva was going to blow up Forrest.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 14, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I can only imagine the level of pent up rage Cyborg has deep down in her soul from being called a man, a beast and Gina’s bodyguard.
Gina better be elusive or she is going to suffer a Frank Mir level beating.
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by MyFistYourFace on Aug 14, 2009 12:09 PM EDT reply actions
The one getting KTFO
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by Scott C. Broussard on Aug 14, 2009 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
He can’t say anything intelligent, obviously, but still.
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