Randy Couture Expresses Interest in Fight With Anderson Silva
by Luke Thomas on Aug 13, 2009 3:48 PM EDT
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Recently on The Lavar Arrington Show with Chad Dukes, former UFC Heavyweight and Light Heavyweight Champion Randy Couture expressed interest in a possible fight with current UFC Middleweight Champion Anderson Silva at light heavyweight. To wit:
Chad Dukes: Would you ever consider [dropping to light heavyweight] and facing [Silva]?
Randy Couture: Yeah, are you kidding? I think he's one of the best fighters in the world. Those are the kinds of guys I want to fight. That would be an interesting fight.
I think the guy with a wrestling background that can get their hands on him, tie him up and smother him is definitely a guy that's going to give him fits and make him have a rough night.
Chad Dukes: Wow, he's said he wants to fight more at 205lbs but doesn't want to fight Machida. Has that even been floated out to you? Is that something that's even been discussed by Dana or any of these guys?
Randy Couture: Ah, they certainly haven't approached me with it. I think the idea's been kicked around, but I don't know if it's being kicked around by the executives at Zuffa.
It's too far in the future to speculate about what likelihood there is in terms of making this fight happen, but my initial hunch is that the possibility is greater than it may seem. The UFC would likely have to negotiate such a fight on a new contract should Couture defeat Nogueira at UFC 102 and earn a rematch with Lesnar. But as far as other logistics, the fight has appeal. Couture isn't really a contender at light heavyweight anymore, so knocking him off in that bout wouldn't hurt the division and could only make Couture even more beloved should he prevail. Moreover, the fight would likely be commercially successful. As Michael Rome has pointed out, there is reason to believe Silva's draw as a PPV star could be on the rise and we already know Couture can move units.
As for how the two match-up, I still see Silva's speed as a terrible problem. The idea that getting a wrestler's hands on Silva is the way to win is technically true, if shortsighted. While Silva has mediocre takedown defense from the clinch or even at striking range, it turns out closing the distance on him is exceptionally difficult. So while I have no doubts Couture could inflict massive damage on top in half guard, getting to a position where he can execute a takedown is a path fraught with peril.
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Sounds like everybody is interested in a fight with Silva.
Couture – Silva would great.
Note Couture also said he would be interested in facing Machida
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I’m sorry, but at this rate… Couture will want to fight Godzilla because he thinks he can Greco-Roman him against the Empire State Building and dirty box him.
The quote of the interview is…
I think the guy with a wrestling background that can get their hands on him, tie him up and smother him is definitely a guy that’s going to give him fits and make him have a rough night.
Couture isn’t exactly speedy, so I don’t know about this… he might get his face countered instantly.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 13, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Randy think's that simply because...
Everybody think’s that… Everyone saw how Hendo held Silva down for almost an entire round.. But the key thing people have always overlooked about that fight in particular is:
Dan did “0” damage to Silva in that fight..
Just getting Silva down is hard enough, we all know that, but that doesn’t equate instant success either.. You have to open up on the ground to enforce damage to your opponent, & that’s where Silva take’s over.. The moment you open up he is going to escape or catch you in a submission.. I would say the best way to beat Silva is to literally catch him .. No other way to beat him.. He has never been beat in a fight… His losses were by him getting “caught”.. He’s never been beat down or even looked hurt in any fight I have ever seen him in..
I said it before
Once Henderson took him down SIlva held him very close to his chest the majority of the time to negate the damage. Silva is great at locking you down when you are on top whether it’s with a clinch with his arms or the body triangle. He’s also great at keeping you at bay with his long limbs. I think Rashad has the best chance of beating Silva at this point.
"I will do nothing lightly. When I walk, I will walk heavily. When I fight, I will fight with conviction. When I speak, I will speak strongly. When I love, I will love with everything"
Rashad?
What possible reason are you giving to support this opinion?
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
He’s a good wrestler, very quick and explosive, has a great camp, has a good chin, and has power. Would I put money on Rashad over Silva? Not a chance in hell but I do think if he could put all his assets together he would be a good match for Silva. Are those enough reasons for ya?
"I will do nothing lightly. When I walk, I will walk heavily. When I fight, I will fight with conviction. When I speak, I will speak strongly. When I love, I will love with everything"
Of course this is all dependent on Rashad putting all his assets together as I said in the post. I guess everybody thinks that Rashad is just going to stay static and not improve at all?
"I will do nothing lightly. When I walk, I will walk heavily. When I fight, I will fight with conviction. When I speak, I will speak strongly. When I love, I will love with everything"
Stay static & not improve at all?
No, I am not saying that. But I am not willing to say he has the best shot of beating Silva either.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
Rashad was destroyed by Machida,
who by all accounts is Silva’s protege. Evans may have the possible tools, but so do a lot of fighters. Having the tools & actually being able to implement everything necessary to win are two completely different things.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
So in your opinion who has the best chance?
"I will do nothing lightly. When I walk, I will walk heavily. When I fight, I will fight with conviction. When I speak, I will speak strongly. When I love, I will love with everything"
No one currently in the UFC IMO.
Until there is another world class striker in the division or until Silva retires, there likely will not be a real legit challenger barring some crazy Ryo Chonan sub.
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by Well Read Idiot on Aug 14, 2009 7:34 AM EDT up reply actions
And for the record
I agree with you on this. What I’m doing is forecasting, as I’m sure you are aware, and I believe that he will be able to put these “possible tools” together. Also for the record, as I said before, I don’t think he would beat him but he’d have the best chance to pull off an upset.
"I will do nothing lightly. When I walk, I will walk heavily. When I fight, I will fight with conviction. When I speak, I will speak strongly. When I love, I will love with everything"
They aren’t proteges of each other, but I am fairly certain Machida has helped Silva more than the opposite.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
I read comments from their camp
where Machida actually says as much.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
Source? I am interested in anything Machida related =D
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
Man this was a while ago,
and I do not save every article I read just in case someone asks me to verify my source. He talked about how much he was learning from Silva & Nog since he began training with them.
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And the reason I said that was because I see some Machida in Silva’s game, but don’t really see Silva in Machida’s game.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
I am sure some of each of them has
rubbed off on the other guy after so much time training together.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
No doubt, just that Machida’s game is very much his own. I would love to hear more from the guy you were talking about, it seems pretty hard to find any info about camps in Brazil. Silva is very vehement about not fighting Machida, who himself keeps quiet, but I don’t think they train much together any more.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
This was from one of the MMA reporters
who was interviewing all of the Blackhouse guys, but it has been a few months.
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Seconded.
People talk about Dan holding him down and winning that round, it means so little to me because, and I’ve said it before, Dan did zero damage. A couple of taps to his face was about it. F-in Silva. He’s like fine wine and just gets sweeter and more refined as he ages.
But put me on the list of people willing to spend his hard earned money on this fight. Yup. Randy and machida as well, even though I think he’ll lose both of those.
When you're that good
People will latch onto anything to make you seem vulnerable. I hate how people talk about how Cote took him to a 3rd round… so the eff what?? It wasn’t a competitive fight at all up until that point… Silva just danced and juked his way around the ring…
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Oh man, I’d love to see this fight… maybe they could time it to be the last fight for each of their current contracts…
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Uggh
Extremely bad idea. Randy does not have the speed to step in there with the Spider. This would be nothing but a brutal beating and I don’t think we need to see a legend like Randy destroyed like that.
I give Randy respect for never backing down from a challenge,
but as a huge fan of his I have no interest in seeing him end up like my boy Rich did.
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Randy would get smoked.. If he thought Liddell was to fast and hit to hard.. He’d be in a world of trouble trying to close the distance on Silva.. His greco clinch would’nt get a chance to get started.. He’d be blasted with shots before he got close enough to do anything..
Silva is WAY more precise his strikes than Liddell has ever been.. KO 2 minutes into round 1.. Silva doesnt break a sweat…
hence me loving this idea
"he's the best punchy face man in the buisness"
by blubber_guard on Aug 13, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
A really bad idea
that would benefit no one. I would imagine this scenario is very unlikely, in my opinion. If Randy wins against Nog, fans will look forward to a rematch with Brock. If he loses to Nog, no one will consider him a legit threat to one of the best p4p fighters in the world.
There are other
big name fighters at 205 that could draw another huge PPV audience. Randy has no standing within the LHW rankings that would help cement Silva as the best p4p fighter. If Machida loses the title and Silva makes a play for the LHW belt, a victory over Randy doesn’t help that cause. If Silva doesn’t plan to vacate his belt, another fight at 205 just leaves the middleweight belt in hiatus for another fight.
The LHW rankings don’t matter, he’s not fighting Machida. A big name like couture will sell PPVs, and that’s what matters at this point in Randy’s career, and should be the driving force in any fight Anderson takes at 205.
Plus, on the off chance Randy wins, it sets up a great story for him to get a title shot. machida seeking revenge, etc.
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Silva want’s the big draw fights for PPV dollars..
Up until this last fight with Forrest, Silva has never had that “big” payday fight.. His buyrates never broke 400K.. This last fight they know for a fact it pushed past 800K and could have very well done over a million when it’s all said and done.. That’s a HUGE payday for Silva compared to what he’s accustomed to getting..
He know’s there is no big draw’s at MW that’s why he went to 205.. Nobody really cares to see Silva beat up reruns at MW and there isnt a whole lot of draw power at MW to help sell it either.. Hendo is the biggest draw but that’s a rerun for most.. Belfort is “known” but not the “draw” that even Silva is.. He’s looking for the big paydays, but the single problem is.. at 205 he takes out the contenders.. That leaves nothing for the champ.. Tito & Randy are 2 fights that would sell LOTS of PPV’s for Silva and not effect the division at it’s current state. That’s the “only” reason those fights make sense..
I believe
a match at 205 vs. Rampage would draw as many PPV buys as one vs. Randy, and would be considered a more legit contest.
That doesn’t change the fact that a Couture fight would benefit Silva.
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No it would not do even close to the same numbers.
by Michael Rome on Aug 13, 2009 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
not sure b/c several casual fans that I know are not interested in the next fight card
Yes, time flies. And where did it leave you? Old too soon...smart too late. - Mike Tyson
That's the vibe
I’ve been gathering as well. Nog might have been a TUF coach, but he still seems to be an unknown commodity to many of the casual fans I’ve encountered. I have a gut feeling UFC 102 will be a minor letdown in buy rates.
I don’t see 102 selling. Two PPV’s in one month is too much, and I don’t really see that fight appealing to the PPV buying crowd. Who knows though, whatever it draws will be all Randy.
by Michael Rome on Aug 13, 2009 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions
no other fight on that card seem appealing to the casual fans
I myself am interested in the Vera/Sos fight, and Marquardt/Maia fight
Yes, time flies. And where did it leave you? Old too soon...smart too late. - Mike Tyson
That’s not true, 97 broke 400K. Granted that was mainly cuz of Chuck but either way Anderson made money off it.
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by ufc4 on Aug 13, 2009 5:28 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
that’s why I have been saying to put him in with Tito if they want to make him a star
Yes, time flies. And where did it leave you? Old too soon...smart too late. - Mike Tyson
With Tito or against Tito?
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by ufc4 on Aug 13, 2009 6:37 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Brock II or Anderson Silva? id hate to be randy right now
"Frank Mir had a horseshoe up his ass. I told him a year ago. I pulled it out of him and I beat him over the head with it." Brock Lesnar
So while I have no doubts Couture could inflict massive damage on top in half guard, getting to a position where he can execute a takedown is a path fraught with peril.
When does Couture ever inflict massive damage, accidental headbutts excluded?
overwhelmed chuck too
"he's the best punchy face man in the buisness"
by blubber_guard on Aug 13, 2009 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Once he finally got Chuck down,
but remind me what happened in their other two fights?
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Gonzaga is that accidental headbutt I mentioned, and he didn’t inflict massive damage on Sylvia. He sat on Sylvia. I really don’t remember the belfort fight well enough to argue that one way or another. I just don’t think of Couture as some powerful ground and pound artist like the quote suggests.
He didn’t inflict massive damage on Sylvia? The guy fought several rounds after getting his brain rattled and didn’t even realize it at the time and doesn’t remember it now. That’s minor brain damage. And while the broken nose of Gonzaga played a large role, so did the amazing slam that caused the nose to break. On top of that, Couture piled on the GNP to force the ref stoppae. And he turned Belfort into a disgusting, bloody mess against the fence (similarly to Gonzaga). Maybe your version of “massive damage” is different than mine, but those all easily qualify in my book.
by Luke Thomas on Aug 13, 2009 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Apparently unless you do what Brock did to Mir, you aren’t inflicting massive damage. I still hear people saying that GSP layed on BJ for four rounds. Must have been a hell of a laying to get the stoppage.
Even in the Tito fight, Randy ground him up. He doesn’t drop huge bombs from on top, but he just rips people up slowly, like a glacier plowing up top soil.
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winner of jardine fight should get silva
given medical suspensions etc since its ont he same card as randy/nog would be better long term + a heavyweight doesn’t have to drop
and jardine/silva makes good highlight stuffs, both being the ones who embarrassed forrest in the cage
"he's the best punchy face man in the buisness"
I'm all for testing yourselves, and wanting to beat the best
But I fail to see how getting to fight Anderson is a reward =X
actually that is an awesome idea, Jardine usually pulls through when least expected
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if anything after Jardine fights him then Rashad will whup him – that tends to happen with their camp Jardine goes in to figure out the fighter then Rashad beats them – that’s why I got Rashad against Rampage
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he just dropped his hands for a second to talk smack – that’s what the fans love
Yes, time flies. And where did it leave you? Old too soon...smart too late. - Mike Tyson
A little trash talking is OK, but not inside the ring. Sure, maybe you can gesture like silva did to Forrest, but outright talking smack in front of your opponent is something only Ali can do.
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by Dooda on Aug 13, 2009 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
As far as the UFC & Dana
are concerned, this would be huge PPV dollars which for both fighters would be good. The whole underdog story that Randy is so great at selling would ensure this would be big. But no real impact on the landscape of either division.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
I love it
I really hope the UFC gets back in the business of making “Marquee” matchups, instead of the recent trend of title or contender matches.
There are a TON of stars in the Org, that I would love to see matched up. Even at catch weights going forward.
Not every compelling fight has to have title implications. At least not from a fans prospective.
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Did Randy watch the Henderson vs. Silva fight? What is he going to do better at age 45 than Dan Henderson?
The one big plus for Randy over Hendo
is that he seems intent when it comes to sticking to the gameplan. If he is able to avoid Silva & get inside, he could pull of a decision via GnP. But that is still very unlikely IMO.
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I think Randy moves better than Hendo from top. Randy loves the clinch and to punish from halfguard. Hendo prefers to bang. Also, as dnevil001 said, Hendo has problems sticking to game plans. By his own admission, he got sloppy in the second round. At any rate, Silva would still win I think.
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I like Randy
as a fighter and as a person, real standup guy, but what in gods name is he thinking. Anderson Silva, did he think they said Sylvia? I’d give him credit for getting into the octogon against Silva, but I don’t give him much of a chance.
Ask any of his 3 ex-wives or the UFC lawyers if he is a stand up guy
That said, I am a big fan of his.
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by Well Read Idiot on Aug 14, 2009 7:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Great fight!
If Randy can close the distance quickly enough to get his hands on him. If Randy can get Silva down, I think he will do much better than Hendo did because Randy is a much better on top than Hendo. Randy could inflict some real damage in the halfguard. However, I don’t think Randy could do that all three rounds. He’d have to do enough damage to finish Silva on the ground the first real chance he gets. Otherwise, I see Silva coming back the following round and basically staying out of Randy’s reach and thus counter punching Randy’s face to pulp. I don’t think anyone can get Silva twice with the same thing so if Randy gets a hold of him, he better make it count. Realistically, I figure it’s another fantastic KO for Silva.
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It’s a much more interesting fight than people here give it credit for. Anderson’s takedown defense is less than mediocre, it’s poor, everyone who has tried to take him down has been able to. Can Randy get inside? I don’t know. I don’t think Silva is particularly adept at keeping people on the outside the way Chuck was.
People always overreact to the last performance. After Silva knocked Forrest out everyone was mocking the idea of GSP fighting him, as if the two have any relation whatsoever.
It’s a great fight for all kinds of reasons. Internet MMA fans doubting Randy Couture is a story I remember pretty well.
by Michael Rome on Aug 13, 2009 4:56 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I should also say this thread is a good example of why the UFC should never, ever listen to internet fans when they do matchmaking or they’d probably be in the IFL situation.
by Michael Rome on Aug 13, 2009 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
This should be green, people.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito Ortiz on Vitor Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on Aug 13, 2009 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions
The GSP thing is ridiculous for sure. I still think the best person to beat Silva is GSP, but Randy definitely has a better shot than most. I just still have a hard time seeing his hands raised after the fight.
I love me some Sexyama!
I just don’t see GSP as having the size to be able to do the things he’d need to do against silva.
"I will do nothing lightly. When I walk, I will walk heavily. When I fight, I will fight with conviction. When I speak, I will speak strongly. When I love, I will love with everything"
That's where technique comes in.
And GSP has the best functional wrestling technique in MMA. His ability to transition from strikes to multiple takedown techniques is amazing. GSP took down Alves pretty much at will and Alves probably was around 200 at fight time. Yeah, Silva is bigger than GSP and presumably really strong, so GSP might have the problem he had with Alves where he could take him down, but not hold him down, but I still think he could do it, or at least give Silva the best run for his money.
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GSP also had a big reach advantage on Alves.
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It’s true enough, but Alves has much, much better defensive wrestling than Anderson Silva. They pose different threats.
by Michael Rome on Aug 13, 2009 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I don’t think GSP will have to work as hard for the takedown once he’s close enough and has his hands on him. It’s more about closing that distance, which is where all the effort will be. I’m confident that as soon as GSP has his hands on him, Silva is going to be taken down pretty much at will.
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I agree
But people seem to forget that SIlva has technique as well to combat that. His takedown defense sucks but his technique once he’s down there is really good. And I would think that he’d be able to stand up llike Alves was able to do and I think the ensuing scramble would put GSP in serious jeopardy. But that’s just how I see the fight happening. I’ve been right and I’ve been wrong so I’m all for all of these fights.
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I bet Alves was closer to 190 than 200 in that fight, he was cutting weight earlier than he usually does to make sure he didn’t miss for his title shot.
The only thing I don’t like about Anderson-Randy is the fact that it’ll be three rounds. Sure, I think Randy will get KO’d early just like most of you guys do but if he doesn’t and Randy can get him on the ground and keep him there I think it’d be a lot more intriguing as a five rounder.
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by ufc4 on Aug 13, 2009 5:47 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The other thing that kind of goads me is assuming guys are over the hill when everything suggests otherwise. It’s one thing to do it after a performance like the one Nog had or the one Chuck had, but Randy was a much better fighter at 43 than 39, hasn’t he earned the benefit of the doubt from MMA fans by now? To me the fight to watch is the Nog fight to see how he moves.
If you look around 205, Randy basically has the best chance against Anderson except for Machida and possibly Rampage (though I think Rampage would be stupid and stand). He’s still easily a +350 to +400 underdog, but who isn’t?
by Michael Rome on Aug 13, 2009 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Randy looked better losing than Nog looked winning against Herring and Sylvia.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
What did Heath do in that fight outside of landing one head kick?
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What did Nog really do? I am going on memories for that one however, and what I remember was a slow plodding Nogueira and the head kick.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
I’ve watched that fight over and over (for gambling purposes) and he just overwhelms Herring standing.
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I thought Nog’s comeback was pretty impressive in that fight. At the same time, going down from a moving-backward headkick from Heath Herring was one of many signs that Nog’s chin was deteriorating.
by Michael Rome on Aug 13, 2009 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Are u asking or telling?
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Aug 13, 2009 5:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
GSP does not want to fight Silva
Yes, time flies. And where did it leave you? Old too soon...smart too late. - Mike Tyson
Heh he talks to his coaches all the time about it and would definitely like to fight him. You don’t know what you’re talking about. He just wants the time to put on muscle to do it.
by Michael Rome on Aug 13, 2009 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I seen an interview where he was asked about it and he seemed less than enthused
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He specifically mentioned that he would need to bulk up properly for that.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
“People always overreact to the last performance.”
You could put me in the camp overreacting to his last 10 fights(+) as he’s been nothing short of dominant in his UFC run.
Here are the problems for Couture. 1) He’s not fast enough to keep up with Anderson. 2) I don’t see him finishing this fight. 3) I don’t think he can hold Silva down for the majority of 15 minutes.
I think it’s a good fight because it makes money, but I don’t see it being that competitive.
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I mean, I think Anderson is going to win too. I also think he’s a much faster wrestler than some guys that have got Anderson Silva down in the past, I think he has a shot at doing it, and I do think he can hurt him there. I’d bet quite a bit on Anderson though based on his track record.
The point I was making is knocking out a charging Forrest Griffin doesn’t tell us much about how he does against big wrestlers at 205.
by Michael Rome on Aug 13, 2009 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Another thing is, not booking Silva fights because they won’t be competitive sounds like a fast track to supporting Anderson Silva’s retirement.
by Michael Rome on Aug 13, 2009 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions
3) I don’t think he can hold Silva down for the majority of 15 minutes.
This is what I think too. Randy might be able to grind stuff out for a round or two, but eventually I think Silva tags him.
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I thought
Forrest would do this. The one thing I forgot about was the fact that Silva might suck Forrest into a brawl. And that’s what he did. I don’t think Randy or GSP would come out of their game plan and I doubt either one of them would be somewhat defeated before the fight even started.
"I will do nothing lightly. When I walk, I will walk heavily. When I fight, I will fight with conviction. When I speak, I will speak strongly. When I love, I will love with everything"
I thought this too for a while, but I picked Anderson because in the end I believed that once Forrest got hit he would do what he loves to do: scrap, and that would be the end of it.
by Michael Rome on Aug 13, 2009 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I picked Silva
And changed it at the very last hour or so. SIlva’s my favorite fighter so sometimes I just get nervous or something because I focus on his faults and not his strengths.
"I will do nothing lightly. When I walk, I will walk heavily. When I fight, I will fight with conviction. When I speak, I will speak strongly. When I love, I will love with everything"
I also changed it as the fight got closer. In big fights like this, I always feel Forrest can pull it out. I was wrong though.
I love me some Sexyama!
Actually
It was the coverage on BE that convinced me that Forrest couldn’t just pull it out because of his “big fight underdog” thing. I just assumed that Forrest would put together the smartest game plan and implement it. Looking back on it I was about as stupid as you could be on that.
"I will do nothing lightly. When I walk, I will walk heavily. When I fight, I will fight with conviction. When I speak, I will speak strongly. When I love, I will love with everything"
I love Forrest as much as anyone,
but there is only so much gameplanning you can do until you start getting drilled by Silva. And if you cant answer back it is all over.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
That's my problem with Forrest.
I like the guy so much, I have a hard time picking against him, which is what happened last week.
I love me some Sexyama!
Typically, I have a hard time picking against
him as well. But I did not have that problem when it came to his fight with Silva. After watching Silva destroy one of my other favorites (Franklin) twice, I learned to never pick against The Spider!
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
I do just b/c of the possible payout
Yes, time flies. And where did it leave you? Old too soon...smart too late. - Mike Tyson
Moneywise, of course I agree
with you. But if you are really betting based on the win, then no.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
For Sure
It’s the old “everybody has a game plan until they get punched in the face.” I wish Silva would do the Sports Science show so we could see how much power his punches generate because they sure seem to hurt a lot.
"I will do nothing lightly. When I walk, I will walk heavily. When I fight, I will fight with conviction. When I speak, I will speak strongly. When I love, I will love with everything"
Forrest sort of wilted after the first hit and basically went on autopilot. I don’t see Randy doing that.
I love me some Sexyama!
I do
see Randy getting hit a lot though.
"I will do nothing lightly. When I walk, I will walk heavily. When I fight, I will fight with conviction. When I speak, I will speak strongly. When I love, I will love with everything"
I wouldn’t say his takedown defense is medicore. He was taken down a lot after flying attack: Lutter-flying knee, Nate-flying kick, Hendo-something flying that didn’t work out because he closed the distance and didn’t do nothing, + in second round with Hendo he got out of the clinch.
by dancingChicken on Aug 13, 2009 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I have no desire to see this fight
and would not buy it. Randy is an mma legend and I have no desire to watch him get humiliated.
Would you buy Lesnar-Couture 2? It would be the same thing.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Aug 13, 2009 5:53 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Honestly, I dont think so… not unless there was a great under card. Randy got destroyed in that fight. Since then, Brock has continued to progress and Randy has gotten older.
Bravo Sierra!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You would buy any card that Lesnar was on to see him spit and curse and middle finger the world.
=-P
'He built his whole reputation as a waffle house chef. They’ve been serving him up ham and eggs with a side of canned tomatoes' - Don Frye on Fedor Emelianenko
by Well Read Idiot on Aug 14, 2009 8:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Actually, if they did this fight it would be a nice little example of why some things draw in MMA while others don’t. This one would do over a million buys while Henderson did 325,000 in a Pride vs. UFC unification. Which one were internet MMA fans more psyched over?
by Michael Rome on Aug 13, 2009 5:13 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Are people who are saying this would be a wonderful fight the same people who said Forrest vs Anderson would be a wonderful fight because Silva would be tested?
shakes head
I am not denying it wouldn’t produce PPV buys, (I don’t think it would do more than 700-900K), but that would be 3 UFC poster boys being destroyed by Anderson, Rich, Forrest, and now Couture?
=)
by MMASuPreMaCy on Aug 13, 2009 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Is Anderson bad for business?
Hes humiliating UFC top earners, which has to hurt their future drawing power. Meanwhile, he has never been a huge draw himself. Randy is looking for one last great fight, but I cant imagine anyone else wanting to fight Anderson for the sake of their careers. Its like in boxing, how managers do what they can to protect their fighters. What casual fan wants to watch scrubs (or fighters made to look like scrubs) when guys like Anderson and Manchida are so far ahead?
Taking business advice from MMA Supremacy is like commissioning former politburo members for solutions to economic problems in 1991. At some point you should just duck out out of pure shame.
by Michael Rome on Aug 13, 2009 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Supremacy=Bernie Madoff?
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Aug 13, 2009 6:35 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Rome taking a jab at what I post = expected.
I can surely remember how great the Forrest vs Silva fight would be for both fighters.
=)
by MMASuPreMaCy on Aug 13, 2009 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s reported to have sold 1 million PPV buys, and the internet MMA fans, who have always hated Forrest for being from TUF and taking out the golden boy shogun, have a renewed hatred for him.
He’ll still draw, and now Anderson is back on the path of destruction, I’m sure it worked out just fine.
That is of course, until Silva has another lack luster performance against someone who is smarter than Forrest and not rush in. Then Anderson will be crucified again for not caring or wanting to finish his opponents. =)
Again, I never said the PPV’s would be bad, but you are destroying UFC poster boys in the process to hopefully market Anderson, though he has expressed sentiments of wanting to retire/leave the UFC after this run, so the benefit will only come if someone actually beats him.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Aug 13, 2009 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Heh, you don’t understand the business of this sport at all. Losses have never hurt draws of their stars, Chuck drew some of his best buyrates right after losing, and I’m not sure if you recall but Forrest lost last December.
Forrest will bounce back with a win and be big with the casual fans again while online nerds mock him for running. Then again he and the UFC will be the ones running to the bank with money while those fans look to prop up the next insane line of anti-UFC reasoning.
by Michael Rome on Aug 13, 2009 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Further, Rich Franklin is a better draw now than he was before Anderson beat him. So is Dan Henderson. As it turns out, you can recover from losing to him and come back even stronger.
Out of that fight they will probably get a series of huge buyrates. I’m sure they’re really kicking themselves now.
by Michael Rome on Aug 13, 2009 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Money = good
Title aspirations = bad
=)
by MMASuPreMaCy on Aug 13, 2009 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions
What point?
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Aug 13, 2009 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions
De-rec*
'He built his whole reputation as a waffle house chef. They’ve been serving him up ham and eggs with a side of canned tomatoes' - Don Frye on Fedor Emelianenko
by Well Read Idiot on Aug 14, 2009 8:08 AM EDT up reply actions
I was
going to make these points as well but couldn’t formulate a damn sentence. Must have had catalog writers block.
"I will do nothing lightly. When I walk, I will walk heavily. When I fight, I will fight with conviction. When I speak, I will speak strongly. When I love, I will love with everything"
“Again, I never said the PPV’s would be bad, but you are destroying UFC poster boys in the process to hopefully market Anderson, though he has expressed sentiments of wanting to retire/leave the UFC after this run, so the benefit will only come if someone actually beats him.”
Not sure if you knew this but Randy is pretty old, it’s not like he’s gonna be fighting for ten more years, for all we know a fight against Anderson could be Couture’s last fight win or lose.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Aug 13, 2009 7:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I am very aware of it, which is why it would suck to see him go out on a losing streak.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Aug 13, 2009 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Skipping to the end here, so someone probably made this point, but
This might be a very easy to make fight should Randy defeat Big Nog in their up coming fight. Anderson getting revenge for his buddy and all that.
I’d love to see this fight, but it would end very badly for Randy…like the second Liddel fight kind of bad, but even more one sided.
You are confusing Silva's
One was the most fearsome in the world five years ago. First name Wanderlai.
One is now. First name Anderson.
'He built his whole reputation as a waffle house chef. They’ve been serving him up ham and eggs with a side of canned tomatoes' - Don Frye on Fedor Emelianenko
by Well Read Idiot on Aug 14, 2009 8:10 AM EDT up reply actions
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