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Did Takeya Mizugaki Steal a Win From Jeff Curran at WEC 42?

Jeff Curran vs Takeya MizugakiThe WEC 42 showdown between bantamweights Jeff Curran and Takeya Mizugaki drew some criticism earlier in the week regarding the judging in the fight's split decision outcome. Most notably, many fans pointed out that the American judging criteria and system set up to judge these bouts hasn't conformed to the techniques of jiu-jitsu, nor does it help any fighters who can punish opponents from their back with strikes and/or submission attempts. Frank Mir's commentary during the fight pointed this out as well, although he did manage to draw a lot of criticism over his bias toward Curran in the match-up.

I've noted in the past that there are some fighters that are at a true disadvantage to the current system. It seems that judges, in general, award top control more so than the fighter on the bottom battling for escapes or submissions. It even seems to award the top-controlling fighter in cases in which a fighter on the bottom is landing more strikes. The WEC's Phil Cardella has been a victim of this as well (see Castillo vs. Cardella), but he's also managed to win an action-packed battle with Rafael Dias due to the judges actually seeing the amount of damage he was laying on Dias from the bottom.

More times than not, we'd see a decision based on top control and takedowns rather than a fighter damaging an opponent while on their back. I meticulously reviewed the Mizugaki vs. Curran battle, and I came to the conclusion that a 29-28 decision in favor of Mizugaki was warranted.

The first round easily went to Mizugaki as he defended the takedown for nearly 4 minutes of the opening round while landing elbows and punches to Curran's torso. He was slightly unbalanced at one point, but escaped Curran's attempt. Curran actually gained a takedown late in the round around the 1:45 mark, but Mizugaki reversed it and proceeded to land some solid shots. Easily a 10-9 round for Mizugaki.

The third round was easily Jeff Curran's best round. Mizugaki took down Curran at about one minute into the round, but he was unable to work any ground and pound as Curran worked sweeps, kicks, and elbows from his back. Mizugaki had a few solid shots, but Curran's triangle attempt at the end of the round solidified the round for Curran.

The second round is where the controversy truly shines through, and it's a very tough round to score. From the opening minute of the round, the striking portion was fairly even. Curran landed a solid combination early, but Mizugaki landed two hard combinations later with one of those combinations connecting in a three-punch sequence. Once both fighters hit the clinch, Mizugaki managed to get the takedown into top control.

This is where many fans have some different views regarding the action. Curran did work an effective guard with some heel kicks to Mizugaki's back, but Mizugaki landed some hard shots at around the 2:30 and 2:10 mark while Curran's hammerfists were easily ineffective in stopping Mizugaki.  Mizugaki was caught in a guillotine attempt toward the end of the round, but there was a huge problem at this point in the fight that probably weighed on the judge's decision.

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Curran's chokehold was in place, but he surely wasn't trying to choke out Mizugaki immediately after he grabbed the hold. Most notably, Mizugaki tried to pass Curran's guard to side mount to relieve some pressure, but it's evident that Curran isn't grimacing in trying to lock down the choke with full force because there is some space in between Mizugaki and Curran. Furthermore, Mizugaki almost worked a hand in between Curran's arms, and it was visibily relieving the hold during the attempt.  It's tough to say Curran was close to finishing the choke when he almost seemed content with holding it until the end of the round while he rested near the fence.

Regardless of that attempt, Mizugaki did manage to control more of the round. He was winning the round up until around the two minute mark. The striking was likely even once they hit the floor, but Curran wasn't doing enough from the bottom in this round to sway a judgement in his favor. The choke attempt didn't look genuinely dangerous at the end of the round either, and the view of Curran sort of resting near the fence couldn't have swayed a judge to believing that hold was a legitimate attempt to end the fight.

I had the fight barley going to Takeya Mizugaki. If Curran had actually locked guard and put a lot of power into that choke, he surely gets the decision if judges were looking for an attempt to end the fight. The debate still remains though. How do we judge escapes versus submission attempts? How does each fighter get credit for those attempts, and how does Curran build up points for punishing Mizugaki from the bottom? They obviously aren't powerful shots, but they do add up. Does a powerful shot from Mizugaki in top control nullify all the short shots of Curran? There are a plethora of questions to ask, but I feel that the judges did get the fight right on Sunday evening at WEC 42. It wasn't robbery by any means, and the fight probably could have went either way. But from looking at the bout with a keen eye for bottom damage, I still believe Mizugaki edged out Curran.

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How'd you score it?
29-28 Jeff Curran
486 votes
29-28 Takeya Mizugaki
599 votes
I don't know, could have went either way
268 votes

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Frank Mir scored it

45-3 for Curran, the greatest BJJ practitioner in the world….he also loves Miguel Torres and every night he….

To be serious I gave Curran that fight. Mizugaki won round 1 easily but he wasn’t all that active in the final 2 rounds. Several of his punches were missing and he gassed towards the end of the fight.

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by SSreporters on Aug 13, 2009 2:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I thought the same thing, but the second round was very close. Mizugaki landed a couple of hard blows in top control at around the 2:30 to 2:00 mark of the round in top control, and not much was done by either guy before that after the takedown. Curran’s guillotine could have legitimately swayed the decision if he had actually went for the kill. He locked the hold, but it wasn’t tight by any means, and almost looked like a tactic to avoid Mizugaki’s activity on top.

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by Leland Roling on Aug 13, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Which Mir called him on funny enough.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Aug 13, 2009 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hard blows should outscore a failed submission any day of the week. What’s the controversy here?

by George Lucas on Aug 13, 2009 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hard fight to judge. Could have gone either way. Curran spends way too much time on his back in all of his fights. He is bound to lose the majority of them, which he has.

by AlwaysRelaxing on Aug 13, 2009 2:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Stolen is the wrong word, but I had Curran winning that fight.

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by Rundownloser on Aug 13, 2009 2:50 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That would also be acceptable.

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by Rundownloser on Aug 13, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The third round was easily Jeff Curran’s best round…Curran’s triangle attempt at the end of the round solidified the round for Mizugaki.

Should that read “solidified the round for Curran”? If not, I am confused.

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by themachiavellian on Aug 13, 2009 2:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, yeah... using their names over and over gets ridiculous.

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by Leland Roling on Aug 13, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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by themachiavellian on Aug 13, 2009 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

the one thing i wonder is what’s next for Curran. four straight losses, three of those after dropping weight. nothing seems to be going his way.

by pop_gun_war on Aug 13, 2009 3:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i'd say

the big frog is being kept around until the WEC has a 125 class, because he always seem undersized… Plus, look at the people he’s been fighting, its everyone at the top of the WEC in 35 and 45

by amadeus on Aug 13, 2009 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

When I score fights, I never score a failed submission attempt unless it leaves some lasting damage. For example, a fighter who’s noticeably limping.

Otherwise, a failed sub attempt is just that, an attempt that failed. You don’t score missed punches no matter how hard or how close they were unless they actually land. How ridiculous would it be to score failed knockout attempts?

by Meeaaat on Aug 13, 2009 3:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think ultimately if you fail, the fighter escaped as well. They should cancel each other out.

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by Leland Roling on Aug 13, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

good post

For the most part I agree but sub attempts do rate as a form of control in my opinion. Just as a wrestler who has positional advantage yet does nothing to damage his opponent gets credit for being in control a sub attempt forces your opponent to defend putting you in control.

by villin on Aug 13, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We do score failed knockout attempts.

They’re called punches. If you punch a guy in the head and he doesn’t get knocked out, do you score those? Because that’s what failed submission attempts are.

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by Llewdor on Aug 13, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Agreed here. The attempted analogy here seems to be between failed sub attempts and punches that miss, but a good sub attempt, even if it doesn’t get the tap, puts the attempting fighter in control and could even do damage depending on how tight it is (c.f. Ricardo Almeida saying he couldn’t straighten his arm after the Grove fight. Think that might have affected his ability to throw strikes?)

by JRN on Aug 13, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don’t be obtuse. The OP explicitly states that he thinks failed submissions that do damage should be scored.

Landed punches that don’t KO still do damage, and thus should (and do) count for points.

by George Lucas on Aug 13, 2009 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I actually missed that point in the OP so thanks for pointing out, though I hasten to add that I really don’t think the bar should be set as high as visible limping.

by JRN on Aug 14, 2009 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I voted 29-28 Curran

But I think Curran’s whining about the judges is stupid. You know how you avoid this happening Jeff? FINISH A SUBMISSION!

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by TheViking83 on Aug 13, 2009 3:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

yeah, but he does have a valid point.

Judges need to learn more about bjj for scoring purposes.

by willydynamite on Aug 13, 2009 3:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

yeah, I gotcha on the judges

I guess it just irks me that guy who prides himself on his “phenomenal jiu-jitsu” hasn’t subbed a guy since 28 months ago… in the IFL.

I like the Big Frog, but Curran is showing himself to be highly overvalued in the WEC, and his recent record is proof.

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by TheViking83 on Aug 13, 2009 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, but even people who seem to know a bit about BJJ are evenly divided on who won that fight

by Shaun32887 on Aug 13, 2009 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

its about more than just this fight.

The change needs to happen for the betterment of the sport so that bjj can be judged in an improved manner.

by willydynamite on Aug 13, 2009 7:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Granted

I’m just saying, that didn’t seem like it was the issue in this particular fight

by Shaun32887 on Aug 13, 2009 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This was one of those fights where

I could not see a clear winner & really would not have been upset whomever got the decision. I can see Curran being upset, but if he got the nod I could have seen Mizugaki being upset. This sounds pretty cliche, but this is one of those rare instances where it really applies.

Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.

by dnevil001 on Aug 13, 2009 3:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Considering they’re both coming off losses, now would be a good time to make that curran/torres grudge match. jeff wants miguel and now that he’s the champ he doesn’t have to earn a title shot (which isn’t even likely to happen). Plus, you know how miguel will want to come back.

by willydynamite on Aug 13, 2009 3:22 PM EDT via mobile reply actions   0 recs

In my opinion, there is NO WAY he deserves a fight with Torres.

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by TheViking83 on Aug 13, 2009 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

With the way that WEC 42 ended up,

I’d like to see Mizugaki-Torres II and Curran-Benavidez. I don’t know that Cruz should get the first shot at Bowles, but it’d be a great addition to the card if it did happen.

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by The Mexican't on Aug 13, 2009 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I believe the real reason Curran did not

get the nod was because of that fucked up haircut!! The judges probably deducted each rd just for having to look at him.

Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.

by dnevil001 on Aug 13, 2009 3:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Well, since its very well known that top control is going to score you more points, Curran should really adopt strategies that don’t involve making himself a martyr to bad judging of BJJ.

by toxic on Aug 13, 2009 3:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think the tendancy in scoring

is that when a round appears to be a draw, give the round to the fighter who won the previous round. Unfair or not, that seems to be the trend. Also, the third round is a good illustration of what Curran did not do to win that second round. That’s how you win a round from the bottom.

by rzor on Aug 13, 2009 3:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

To me Sub attempts are worth 2 brownie points and escapes are worth 1. You dont give someone equal points for recovering from a devastating strike, and you shouldnt get equal points for escaping a sub attempt. And as for being on your back, do all that damage you want from the bottom but if your not sweeping your losing. Your being controlled and if you cant get a sub or a ko from an upkick you lose.

by pandaboy99 on Aug 13, 2009 3:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, but what happens if you get Frank Mir as a judge… he was going apeshit in the second over a shitty armbar attempt with full guard, and Curran attempted it for about .5 seconds, then let go.

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by Leland Roling on Aug 13, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not all sub attempts are creating equal.

I don’t think the bottom guy deserves any credit for throwing his legs up in a sloppy triangle attempt that gets immediately brushed off by the guy on top. The same goes for half-assed one-arm guillotine attempt that never gets under your opponent’s chin, or an kimura that never gets popped out and cranked, or an armbar that is immediately stacked up and stuffed.

If you catch a guy and he still manages to escape, by all means you deserve a ton of credit for the catch. If you can hold your opponent in a choke and sap his cardio while he struggles, you deserve even more credit for that. Finally, if you force a guy to give up position in order to escape a submission attempt, then by all means, then you deserve credit for the sweep as well as the submission attempt.

But if the you opponent immediately stuffs the submission attempt and doesn’t give up position to escape? That’s no better than whizzing a punch past his chin or failing at a takedown.

by Steve4192 on Aug 13, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

^This.

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by iiowyn on Aug 13, 2009 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I support this post.

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by Deo Wade on Aug 13, 2009 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i always thought a 30 second ground clock should be implemented where if the bottom guy has defended the top guy from getting half guard or mounted for 30 secs they stand them back up.

by pandaboy99 on Aug 13, 2009 3:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Blech!

First of all, that penalizes guys who pull guard in order to secure the takedown. That rule would absolutely fuck a guy like Shinya Aoki.

Second of all, it penalizes guys who can mount effective offense even from within their opponents guard. Tito Ortiz has made a career of murdering guys from within their guard.

Third, as a rule, standups suck. If you can’t get off your back, it is your own damn fault. Train some more wrasslin’ next time.

by Steve4192 on Aug 13, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I only like stand-ups when it’s obvious that the guys are just laying there, throwing an obligatory punch on occasion. Otherwise, let ’em fight it out!

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by themachiavellian on Aug 13, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t want to have to rec every post you make, but you have to meet me halfway.

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by Rundownloser on Aug 13, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i really dont like watching 5 min of ground of pound in the guard.. i watch mma for the fast transitions and passes.. and as for aoki, i like seeing his sub attempts so he can just pull guard over and over if he wants and try working his subs again. Im sure there were nay sayers for the 24 sec clock in basketball because it would change the game… but it sped up the game for the better faster paced more technical basketball where your constantly playing against your opponent and the clock.

by pandaboy99 on Aug 13, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hope you are joking.

The 24 second clock killed the NBA game. The notion of teamwork and defense got lost and the game devolved into a bunch of 1-on-1 matchups while everyone else stands around and watches. That is what makes college basketball so much more fun to watch, even though the athletes are nowhere near as good as their pro counterparts.

by Steve4192 on Aug 13, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

pretty sure

College basketball has a shot clock?

Ufc obviously needs to update their rules, and get the fightmetric? Or whatever its named counter for rounds. I also think their should be more demand for better accreditations by the governing bodies. There could be panels that review the scoring each judge does and dock him for patterns of bad scoring, which is standard in a few sports. In an case the rules now really are too broad, and need to be explained more thoroughly.

by amadeus on Aug 13, 2009 4:33 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

So your saying basketball would have been better without the 24 sec shot clock? i dont know if there would be alot of others that agree with that sentiment.. but if there is, i stand corrected.

by pandaboy99 on Aug 13, 2009 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If nothing else, the shot clock saved college basketball from the 4-corner shenanigans of Dean Smith—I love the man, but it was a dull tactic.

That being said, introducing timed stand-ups is a terrible, terrible idea.

It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.

by capital L on Aug 13, 2009 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i watch mma for the fast transitions and passes..

You won’t see any of this with a 30 second stand up rule. What you’ll see is the man on the bottom holding a closed guard and head control, stalling for 30 seconds until he can stand back up and hope to be the man on top next time it goes down.

It would absolutely kill the sport.

by George Lucas on Aug 13, 2009 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

we see that anways from the bottom guy and sometimes the ref stands them up and sometimes he doesnt so its just making it standard. and if its a jits guy why would he stalled hed be working the sub attempts. and if the top guy can get to half guard the clock gets stopped so he has something to work towards. If the top guy cant get to half guard or mount in that amount of time then stand them up

by pandaboy99 on Aug 13, 2009 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You don’t have to be a jiujitsu wizard to completely stifle an opponent with closed guard and head control. Strikers wouldn’t even have to worry about sprawling or defending takedowns if they knew all they had to do was hold a tight guard for 30 seconds. It’s seriously a bad idea.

by George Lucas on Aug 18, 2009 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Terrible, terrible idea.

by George Lucas on Aug 13, 2009 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

THE FIGHT WAS A DRAW

i think Curran won the last round 10-8 and shouldve been a draw.

btw, i think more 10-8 rounds need to given for DEEP submissions, just like when you drop a guy with sktrikes

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by ekc on Aug 13, 2009 4:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

oh come on

by yngjzy on Aug 13, 2009 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

at what point can you get a 10-8 on submissions? it seems WAY easier to get it off strikes.

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by ekc on Aug 13, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe because strikes actually do something to your opponent, where as failed submissions just eat up minutes.

by George Lucas on Aug 13, 2009 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I too would have scored the fights two rounds 10-9 Mizugaki and the last 10-8 Curran. Round 3 was basically even up until Curran got the triangle, and he had it tight enough to roll Mizugaki to mount and throw strikes at one point, plus—and this is the crucial part to me—Mizugaki never escaped. He was saved by the bell. So overall, I’d have called it a draw.

by JRN on Aug 13, 2009 4:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

which brings up the point

That the must system makes instances where one guy gets the w even if those guys are evenly matched and the fight was too close to call, seeing draws would kind of suck but at least noone would get screwed

by amadeus on Aug 13, 2009 4:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

i am all for draws, IF THE FIGHT IS TOO CLOSE… i would rather leave a bit disappointed then screw over these guys careers with a BS loss due to poor judging

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by ekc on Aug 13, 2009 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah, he was saved by the bell…. that was as deep as submission as you can get

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by ekc on Aug 13, 2009 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes it was so deep that Mizugaki lasted nearly 20 seconds without tapping…

by George Lucas on Aug 13, 2009 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It was also deep enough for Curran to completely control Mizugaki’s position and for Mizugaki not to be able to escape. He was totally shut down. I think that’s pretty significant.

by JRN on Aug 14, 2009 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Positional control does not a 10-8 round make.

by George Lucas on Aug 18, 2009 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Curran should have stayed in mounted triangle position and kept punching, the ref probably would have stopped it.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Aug 13, 2009 5:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

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by Leland Roling on Aug 13, 2009 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

There is no controversy here, Miz won the fight 29-28 if it wasn’t for that triangle in the third Curran would have lost that round too. The fight that was bs was Massouh losing to Garcia who did nothing after landing that big right hand and lost all 3 rounds that was a horrilble decision added to the long list of them this year.

by Raker on Aug 13, 2009 6:07 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I woulda liked to see Massouh get round 1, but that’s not gonna happen after a knockdown like Garcia landed, not now with these judges. The last round absolutely went to Garcia, he was actually attacking. While it was largely ineffective, it’s better than Massouh standing there staring at him. Had Massouh mounted any sort of offense at all in that third round, he would have won the fight.

by Shaun32887 on Aug 13, 2009 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with this 100%

by George Lucas on Aug 13, 2009 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Points:
• Takedowns – 2 points
• Sweeps – 2 points
• Knee on the stomach – 2 points
• Technical Side Mount reversal – 2 points
• Passing the full guard – 3 points
• Mount – 4 points
• Back Mount with hooks – 4 points

I’ve got one more:
-Failed submissions – 0 points

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by plastict on Aug 13, 2009 7:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Good post as always Leland

I also had it 29-28 Mizugaki. That guillotine at the end of the 2nd wasn’t that deep, he was just holding on til the end of the round. Mizugaki wasn’t in danger there, but was at the end of the 3rd. By that point it was already 2 rounds to 0 for Mizugaki though.

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by bigtim on Aug 13, 2009 7:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Agreed,

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