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Admitting Defeat: Gina Carano Won't Outdraw UFC 100 for Media Attention

GinacaranoBack on June 30th, weoweoweo posted a fanpost regarding the question as to whether Gina Carano could draw more media attention than UFC 100. This was in response to Sherdog's Loretta Hunt claiming that Carano would "single-handedly garner more press and media attention than UFC 100". The poll attached to the article indicated that 76% of fans agreed with weoweoweo's stance that she would not garner more press.

My stance actually supported Loretta's statement, but it's obvious that I was wrong. Even more interesting, I knew I was wrong following the July 14th press conference in New York City at the WaMu Center due to the real lack of coverage of the press conference from the mainstream media giants. Luke Thomas made some solid points in a post talking about the press conference and the use of gender roles and Carano's own personal story to shatter those roles within this sport. While Strikeforce has tried to play to the fans with that type of storyline, they have still failed in truly promoting this fight to the potential it has as an interest to fans everywhere, specifically women.

There are some major problems with the public relations and marketing for this event that really sink it, but the overall appeal may just not be there. First and foremost, there has been a true lack of marketing for this fight. While we can check out the Flash advertising on many websites promoting the card, there hasn't been a push of advertising to casual fans. Moreover, I haven't seen too many ads trying to link her stints on American Gladiators with this match-up. It seems to me that Strikeforce is failing in trying to connect her popularity from other sources with this bout so that fans who haven't seen her in quite some time would make the connection.

We also haven't seen too many mainstream media outlets focus on the event. We are currently in the week of the event without any huge push to put her all over our televisions. I would have figured some major media outlets would have picked up on the story about shattering gender roles, but it just hasn't happened. I'm not sure whether there just isn't enough interest, or if this fight is simply considered a "joke" by some outlets.

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There also seems to be a failure in legitimately promoting her opponent, Christiane "Cyborg" Santos. While she isn't the beauty that is Gina Carano, I would have thought the angle would be to pump her up as this major force that Gina is going to truly have a tough time fighting against. Once again, it goes back into the marketing of this event... which almost seems even more non-existent than that of which Affliction had done with Fedor and Barnett or Fedor and Arlovski.

We surely can't blame this media disappointment on the fact that this isn't a battle of the best women in MMA either. Most media outlets probably don't have the slightest clue as to who else is out there that could give either one of these fighters a run for their money. The Tara La Rosa's of the women's MMA scene just aren't a factor unless you're a hardcore fan.

It's possible this card could garner some solid numbers on Showtime, but it would have made more sense to push a CBS event in my mind if they had some other solid fights. Obviously, the card has had some cursed things happen to it. But the event won't outdraw UFC 100 in viewers, and it surely won't outdraw UFC 100 for media attention simply because Gina Carano is "hot" or she is a female. It's just not receiving that kind of treatment from women-specific outlets in the media. It's only receiving some minor coverage from sports' giants in the media arena, and the UFC 100 event definitely received a lot of attention from most major outlets, granted it wasn't all great.

I guess the real question is whether or not an event that is headlined by women could ever draw a tremendous amount of media attention. Do we need to see two "hot" beauties battle it out for that to happen? Perhaps they need to be both "hot" and very good in the sport? I could definitely see the latter of the two, but being "hot" just sounds so unfair, doesn't it? The only real way I see this truly happening is if the UFC starts their own women's division. It'll give those women a  huge boost from the UFC marketing machine, and the coverage would already be there from media outlets already covering those UFC events. Eventually, somewhere down the road... the women's division would produce some very compelling fights that would gain some major attention from the media.

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If both Gina and Cyborg were "hot" then it might help.

Yeah, I said it. People only wanna see hot chicks on TV. Not a news flash, but it is what it is. If they’re not hot, they’d better be super talented for people to watch them, but in reality, I doubt how much the casual fan knows how good Cyborg or any other female fighter besides Gina is. Even with Gina I question why people watch her: is it because she’s hot, or because she’s good at what she does? It’s probably the former more than the latter.

However, SF has done such a miserable job of promoting this, that I don’t know if two hot women kicking the shit out of each other would have sold to the casual crowd with the way SF has done this. SF has a small, small window to make things work for themselves on the national stage. In my opinion, that window has just closed another inch. This is not a good start.

I love me some Sexyama!

by pud333 on Aug 12, 2009 1:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

In this day and age of Girls Gone Wild...

You’re right…. doesn’t mean that is right, but that is just the way it is.

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by Gunslinger20 on Aug 12, 2009 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Women in Strikeforce

I’m not sure what they’ll have left to push after this fight is done, and maybe that’s why they haven’t gone to the wall on this. Seems to me Strikeforce’s women’s division is a bit light, but they are looking to add depth. I can’t wait for the tourney and hope it really does happen. We might be seeing a more robust effort down the road.

by E_liminatorjr on Aug 12, 2009 1:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think women’s MMA in general is a bit light. SF may try to do something more robust later, but they don’t have that kind of time. From here on in, they better start hitting some home runs or else they won’t last long enough cause the UFC has declared war on them. First impressions go a long way.

I love me some Sexyama!

by pud333 on Aug 12, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

They have good talent coming in, trust me.
=)

by MMASuPreMaCy on Aug 12, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Erin Toughill, an ex American Gladiator like Gina, is a good start. DREAM is also going to host women fights, and they will exchange talent, etc.

Marloes Coenen, Erin Toughill, Cindy Dandois, etc. There is also the NBC “Contender” like show coming up which features female fighters. Lots of stars will be made there.

by MMASuPreMaCy on Aug 12, 2009 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So no.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Aug 12, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL, the answer is possibly.

by MMASuPreMaCy on Aug 12, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Listen, we know who those girls are… but major media outlets have no idea.

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by Leland Roling on Aug 12, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Did you not read about the NBC “Contender’s” like show being put together?

http://chicagosmma.com/2009/05/felice-herrigs-upcoming-reality-show-to-air-on-nbc/

by MMASuPreMaCy on Aug 12, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This reality based television show will be syndicated by Momentum Entertainment & Sports
Network. The show will be broadcast over NBC stations and affiliates throughout the United
States. Other network affiliated stations and station groups will also be included in the airing of
the show. With an anticipated premiere in late 2009 or early 2010, the show is expected to reach
over 60 Million households in top markets throughout the U.S.

by MMASuPreMaCy on Aug 12, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, that could possibly work. I still think these promotions are clueless how to market events though. Nothing is going to market itself.

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by Leland Roling on Aug 12, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

16 female fighters on NBC will definitely create a spark.

Bas Rutten and Maxim 100 model, Joanna Krupa will play hosts to the show. Also featured as coaches are #1 ranked fighter, Tara LaRosa, U.K. fighting sensation Rosi Sexton, Strike Force contender Cristiane "Cyborg" Santos and Jiu-jitsu legend Cesar Gracie.

 The 16 female fighters
include Felice Herrig, Angela Magana, Angela Hayes, Melissa Steele, Roxy Richardson, Lauren Sugahara, Kerry Vera, Michelle Vera, Moroeles Coenen, Casey Noland, Molly Helsel, Vanessa Mariscal, Jessica Aguilar, Martha Benavides, and Kate McGray (fight roster subject to change).

by MMASuPreMaCy on Aug 12, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hopefully it does better than Fight Girls or the actual Contender…

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Aug 12, 2009 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kerry Vera dropped out most likely because of Bellator.

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by Johpin on Aug 12, 2009 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Marketing and advertising takes a great deal of money, so, its always a fine line you have to walk.

by MMASuPreMaCy on Aug 12, 2009 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

SUP

your forgetting my new favorite up and coming female fighter sarah kaufmann. i know she’s not as big as carano/cyborg, but she is very entertaining and i would pick her over erin toughill anyday. :)

by bdw on Aug 12, 2009 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I just don’t know if we will go up at 145. She could fight Tara at 135 for the title and THAT would be dynamite. =)

by MMASuPreMaCy on Aug 12, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

if she will go up to 145.

by MMASuPreMaCy on Aug 12, 2009 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Frozen Chicken!

by Steve4192 on Aug 12, 2009 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The problem is marketing, which they’ve done very little of.

by pr0cs on Aug 12, 2009 1:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

weo’s twitter thing said Jim Rome’s show was taping her working out, but that’s not airing until Friday, it would have been nice to get a little more hype going into this show during this week, or at least have something to talk about besides Nick Diaz.

by Phildo on Aug 12, 2009 1:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

My thoughts as well. It’s a bit late.

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by Leland Roling on Aug 12, 2009 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was spotting a big black guy at the gym yesterday who is a bouncer and can bench 315 about 10 times. I assumed he might be into UFC and asked him if he saw 101. He said no and that he was only interested in women’s MMA. I was very surprised. He said “Gina aint gonna be pretty anymore after that fight.” He obviously knew about the fight, but I had to remind him that it was this Saturday. He thought it was weeks away. Poor marketing I guess.

by MMAInFeRioRiTy on Aug 12, 2009 1:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It's a shame

that this fight hasn’t been promoted well outside of the hardcore fanbase. Even though I thought Loretta Hunt made a completely asinine statement saying that this fight would draw more mainstream press than UFC 100, it did have potential. It’s a shame that either A) SF has no idea how to promote a big fight outside of San Jose or B) that they don’t have the funds to do large scale promoting.

by filipinomix2oo0 on Aug 12, 2009 1:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I forgot that Gina was even on American Gladiators

…this article reminded me. The promotion of this fight (entire card) sucks.

I think Coker was hoping just having these fighters (Gina, Fedor) would be enough & sell itself, but that’s not gonna happen. And after their failure to promote the Gina-Cyborg fight, I’m not optimistic about them handling Fedor any better.

Which means they’re gonna be paying out big bucks for these stars only to see very little in return.

Keep Swillin',
Bruz

by Bruz on Aug 12, 2009 1:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

So was Erin Toughill, who will supposedly fight the winner.
If Gina wins, that would be 2 American Gladiators going at each other.

by MMASuPreMaCy on Aug 12, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Way after the show got canceled, that’s really going to bring in the fans.

by Phildo on Aug 12, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Everyone knows what an AG is, whether canceled or not.

by MMASuPreMaCy on Aug 12, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

but in a year how many people will remember? and of those, how many will care?

by Phildo on Aug 12, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ESPN classic still shows the AG shows from the 90’s.
=)

by MMASuPreMaCy on Aug 12, 2009 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and they’re showing AWA wrestling right now. How much do people care about that?

by Phildo on Aug 12, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Being an American Gladiator is like being an ex Dallas Cowboy player, it will always follow you. =)

by MMASuPreMaCy on Aug 12, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yea, I mean Nitro, Zap, and the gang have all gone on to promising careers after their stint on gladiators.

by Phildo on Aug 12, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Eternal American Idols? Absolutely.
=)

by MMASuPreMaCy on Aug 12, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It doesn’t really help if Strikeforce doesn’t play that up in their advertising.

I haven’t heard them mention anything about Gina being a gladiator, and she was the star of that show. If they don’t talk about it with Gina, they sure as hell aren’t going to talk about with Erin, who was nothing more than a bit player on season 2.

by Steve4192 on Aug 12, 2009 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Carano is getting good pub.

Interviews and features on Telemundo, NY TImes, commercials on Showtime all the time, Carano vs Cyborg adds on the internet, ESPN, etc. It is no UFC 100 pub, but then again, the publicity for UFC 100 really started to heat up around Thursday and Friday, so, what happens in the next few days will be crucial for them.

Again, a CBS show would get more pub IMHO, but since this is on Showtime, it will only get as much as Showtime advertises.

by MMASuPreMaCy on Aug 12, 2009 2:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

agreed… you are kinda jumping the gun leeland…

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by ekc on Aug 12, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, I’m not. This is definitely not the buzz that the week of UFC 100 was.

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by Leland Roling on Aug 12, 2009 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

She is the top story on ESPN MMA section right now:

by MMASuPreMaCy on Aug 12, 2009 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

She’s the top story on many MMA sites right now… It’s the exposure to the casual fans who don’t regularly check MMA sites that needs help.

Keep Swillin',
Bruz

by Bruz on Aug 12, 2009 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just said, she was on Telemundo, NY Times, ESPN, Showtime keeps showing her commercials, etc.

by MMASuPreMaCy on Aug 12, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It doesn’t matter. There is no ads connecting her popularity from other venues with the fight. NY Times isn’t that big of a deal. ESPN is doing website work… now if they actually do the weigh-ins, I’ll be intrigued. UFC 100 had way more media attention.

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by Leland Roling on Aug 12, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Its only Wednesday. Like I said, we will see what happens in the next two days.

by MMASuPreMaCy on Aug 12, 2009 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

There’s a reason why Saturday night is the worst night in the world for TV. if you want people to make plans to watch your TV show on saturday, you need to plan it in advance.

by Phildo on Aug 12, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We all know that, and they have been doing that with Showtime. They have been advertising this fight since June. If you own Showtime, there is no way you could have missed a Carano vs Cyborg commercial.

by MMASuPreMaCy on Aug 12, 2009 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and that is the entire problem.

To succeed, they need to get MORE people. Especially with the model of being on a premium cable network, getting people who already have the channel to watch is almost useless.

by Phildo on Aug 12, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

They have already increased their subscriptions since they introduced MMA on the channel. They just have to maintain them now and gain more, which is where CBS will come into play.

by MMASuPreMaCy on Aug 12, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

NY Times isn’t that big of a deal.

WHAT? how do you figure this they wrote and feature a pretty good article about her?

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by ekc on Aug 12, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It doesn’t matter if it was pretty good. It’s circulation by the numbers. NY Times reaches quite a few, but their demographic doesn’t exactly match the 18-34 demographic of what MMA fans are. It’s a sizeable contribution to the hype, but it really doesn’t produce much at all. If MMA was legal in NY and we had some super events there, maybe it’d be different. I just don’t see it as a big deal at all.

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by Leland Roling on Aug 12, 2009 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess the real question is now

Will Gina Carano outdraw the replay of UFC 100

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by Day Man on Aug 12, 2009 2:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I thought Spike was replaying the best 100 UFC fights for 5 hours on Saturday

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by lovingmma25 on Aug 12, 2009 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Looks like they took five UFC 100 fights to air opposite Strikeforce

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by Day Man on Aug 12, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Calling it now, UFC 100 replay on Spike outdraws Stikeforce. I personally would rather see the Jones/Obrien and Coleman/Bonnar fights they will be showing. Carano is great and all but when she does eventually lose her mystique will be gone and with it so too the popularity of womens mma. Sorry.

by andrewsj7 on Aug 12, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Showtime ratings are not comparable. All showtime has to do is get between 400 and 500K viewers and it will be a success for them, regardless of what Spike does, which will probably be around 2 million plus viewers.

by MMASuPreMaCy on Aug 12, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

ding ding ding!

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by ekc on Aug 12, 2009 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is always the problem with discussions of how competitors of the UFC do business. People think they have to beat the UFC to be successful. Mark Cuban said it best when describing why he was involved with Affliction:

" You dont have to be number 1 to make money".

by Rabbit915 on Aug 12, 2009 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

UFC starting their own women's division?

Without Carano in it?

And have another division that doesn’t have the “best fighter in the world” in it…? Lol…

by pl4tinum on Aug 12, 2009 2:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

They would start with Carano, but they could also grab up a lot of the talent not in Strikeforce.

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by Leland Roling on Aug 12, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The problem is they need to show us the two different characters, and build up suspense of whether the pretty Carono will get crushed by the human wrecking machine with a vagina.

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by thetakeover on Aug 12, 2009 2:15 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

Fantastic... rec'd

He was like 'You hit like a bitch.' I'm like all right. And I stood up and slapped him. I go 'Now you just got hit like one.'" - Kurt Pellegrino.

by Gunslinger20 on Aug 12, 2009 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

have you seen the promos??

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by ekc on Aug 12, 2009 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

but i REALLY wish showtime would make a full on countdown show! instead of 3 minute spots here and there

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by ekc on Aug 12, 2009 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

have you seen the promos??

No. I think that’s kind of the point… I don’t have Showtime right now. I AM planning to subscribe to it, but not for the Strikeforce fights. Dexter baby!!

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by funnytiger on Aug 13, 2009 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought it would too

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by Zak Woods on Aug 12, 2009 2:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

"I haven't seen too many ads trying to link her stints on American Gladiators with this match-up"

maybe that’s a no-no, since it’s an NBC show, and they’ve got a deal in place with CBS? then again… they probably mentioned it during the EXC CBS shows, so i’m probably reaching. but for what it’s worth, i believe american gladiators was cancelled, so maybe it didn’t have a following big enough to bother going after any crossover fans? either way, i agree with you that there should be a stronger push for this card.

by woooburn on Aug 12, 2009 2:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

You could be right, interesting caveat there. I’m not sure though. Worth trying to find out.

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by Leland Roling on Aug 12, 2009 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That can’t be it.

EliteXC used to beat the drum constantly regarding Gina’s stint as a Gladiator. They were all over that shit.

by Steve4192 on Aug 12, 2009 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

no showtime doesnt care about he gladiator appearances they think shes more like rambo

by ldglass on Aug 13, 2009 4:11 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would not be surprised at all if the UFC spends more on advertising a card than Strikeforce spends on an entire card.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Aug 12, 2009 2:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Makes sense to me, doesn’t it.

Affliction = idiots for throwing their money around.
Strikeforce = they don’t have any money and they need to spend more.

by MMASuPreMaCy on Aug 12, 2009 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here is the problem with this, and with every other fight organization that isn’t Zuffa.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Hzyn8IcHIE

A video from Showtime, on it Mauro says the fight “markets itself.” No fight markets itself. It may seem like the UFC markets itself, but that’s only because they have done so much marketing in the past, and so much current marketing now that we hardly even notice it.

by Phildo on Aug 12, 2009 3:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Better Check Yourself

I’m glad to see you admitted your err when stating Carano would get more press than UFC 100. I’m almost fell out of my chair when I read that. There are so many factors as to why this wouldn’t get the press it’s hard to see how you missed it.

What does this fight, let alone card have going for it? It’s two girls, one is hot and it’s for the first girls belt. That’s it.

Now lets get to the reasons it’s not getting pub. The biggest reason is that it’s not on CBS. CBS gets big coverage because it’s a major network and can pull strings. Showtime is no slouch but it’s not CBS.

Next, women’s mma is not all that is cracked up to be. I would conside rmyself a hardcore fan yet I cannot name the top 3 women in any of the weight classes nor do I even know what the weight classes are beside 145lb. I do know that beside the two women fighting there’s not really any other girls who fight competitively at that weight so congrats to the winner, you are the champion of nothing. On top of that Carano hasn’t fought in almost a year nor been advertised on Gladiators in about the same time (when did that show get canceled anyway?) and both fighters have had trouble making weight, Carano in particular. Name a male fighter who is fighting for a championship that has needed extra time or failed to make weight on more than one occasion (not just the championship fight).

Probably an area we haven’t looked at is the UFC backwash from both UFC 100 and now 101. Both cards drew a lot of attention, espcially 100, and has really cemented UFC as the brand to beat. I think having mma being replaced by UFC on yahoo should be the clearest indicator of that. Strikeforce, whether they think they are competing with UFC or not, will have to answer in all areas, quality, importance, storylines, etc, to what UFC offers as the UFC is not only destroying mma competitors but it’s making a push towards being a “major league” in the minds of sports fans (that is why the UFC can get better w/o direct competition Sam Caplan, because it’s competing with NFL, MLB, and not other mma sponsors).

Finally, and I don’t care about how sexist it sounds, but I could give a crap about women’s sports. I don’t watch WNBA, WSL (soccer league), women’s hockey, etc. When the media used to give a crap about boxing, can anyone name a big drawing female boxer? Only one I can even remember is that girl with all the blood from like ’97 and Hillary Swank in Million Dollar Baby.

So good luck Strikeforce trying to get anyone to give a dang. Actually I don’t. I wish nothing good for you since everyday you exist you keep the UFC from solidyfing itself as a premiere sports league. I’m sorry that everyone in San Jose/Stockton/Lodi will miss you when you’re gone. Have fun promoting 120lb’ers vs. Carano/Cyborg forever.

by Syd O on Aug 12, 2009 3:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Why would you almost fall out of your chair?

After all, I posted my IWMMAR ballot so everyone could critique it, and I still post every single prediction pick just like everyone else. I’ll admit when I’m wrong, but I’m not going to back off on specific opinions I have had in the past.

This, however, I was wrong about.

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by Leland Roling on Aug 12, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was just being dramatic about it but I still couldn’t imagine that single fight with little provenance would draw more media attention thant he juggernaut that is the ufc and it’s centennial show.

I don’t think women put on bad fights. The Tara LaRosa fight on the Bodog USA v. Canada was prob the best fight on the card. But beside for the novelty value of having two women fight for the first title it doesn’t really mean a hill of beans compared to the mismatches, missed weight, and long layoffs between fights leading up to this bout.

by Syd O on Aug 13, 2009 8:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

They don’t put on bad fights at all. The problem is that you have to get casual male fans to actually watch the fights for one… and they have to be interested.

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by Leland Roling on Aug 13, 2009 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

That’s a sad MMA fan.

by MMASuPreMaCy on Aug 12, 2009 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m not sure if you’re talking about me but I don’t see how having an opinion makes me sad. I would figure that having a one true mma promotion where all the best fight the best would do more for the sport than the current splintered state of affairs.

Maybe I shouldn’t wish ill on Strikeforce but I’ve been saying it’d be better for the sport if there was a one show to turn on. If the strikeforce continued its role as a proving ground for the UFC that’d be ok much the UFL will be for the NFL. But competing for the same fighters poses problems.

by Syd O on Aug 13, 2009 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t like any of those other women’s sports either but that’s because they are just poor versions of the men’s games. In MMA there are different divisions and weight classes made of of people with similar physical tools.

I dislike Matt Hughes.

by MonkeyCHops on Aug 12, 2009 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This isn't true.

Womans Soccer isn’t a “poor version” of the mens game. Regardless, people don’t like watching female athletics as much for whatever reason.

by VegasBatman on Aug 12, 2009 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's very true

The women cannot play with the men in any of the sports listed above, that is why they have to have their own league. Otherwise women would just be mixed with the men. I played soccer my entire life, in high school we had the best high school girls soccer team in the state and our freshman boys team could beat our varsity girls soccer team every time hands down.

Womens soccer gets credit bc they won the world cup, our womens soccer team is skilled compared to other womens teams around the world but our men would wipe the floor with them.

by andrewsj7 on Aug 12, 2009 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Women not being able to physically compete with me /= poor versions of the men’s games

by VegasBatman on Aug 13, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rec'd for being

honest Leland. The female MMA fight scene with never grow enough to stand on its own. Look at all the success women sports have in the US. WNBA, softball, soccer are all huge flops.

This might sound mean but men don’t want to pay to watch female athletes compete. This entire she is “hot” crap came from the shady side of the internet that hope it turns into a naked brawl. I would much rather see an ugly female athlete succeed than a hot over rated one fail.

by Riney on Aug 12, 2009 5:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think this is a prime example of why women’s sports don’t pick up too much steam. Men have to get interested because they are the majority of the demographic when it comes to sports. I think men can get involved in women’s MMA because after all… it is MMA, but it will take a lot of time.

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by Leland Roling on Aug 12, 2009 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just don’t think the “it’s mma” logic holds water. Otherwise womens sports like basketball and soccer would be successful, because after all they are basketball and soccer. I like basketball and I like soccer but I dont watch ANY womens sports. Call me sexist or whatever but I want to know that I am watching the best athletes at the highest level and until the women can compete with the men in the same leagues and in the same divisions I am not interested.

by andrewsj7 on Aug 12, 2009 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I assume you only watch HW’s then, because obviously none of those little guys can compete with them?

It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.

by capital L on Aug 12, 2009 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Gina on Rome is Burning

just saw that Gina Carano is going to be on Rome is Burning on Thurday… cool!

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by ekc on Aug 12, 2009 6:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Shes going to make quite a few appearances in the next few days.
=)

by MMASuPreMaCy on Aug 12, 2009 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So when exactly is she going to you know… cut weight?

Keep firing Assholes!

Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead.

by Ubernoober on Aug 12, 2009 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

By training with Satan, obviously.
=)

by MMASuPreMaCy on Aug 12, 2009 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

She’s coming in 4lb over, isn’t she.

Keep firing Assholes!

Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead.

by Ubernoober on Aug 12, 2009 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

more commonly known as 1 Carano

by Steve4192 on Aug 12, 2009 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am going to write a sequel to that one next week.

Keep firing Assholes!

Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead.

by Ubernoober on Aug 12, 2009 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wierdly enough

I got in my car after work today (shortly before 6:00pm eastern) and Frank Shamrock was on Fox Sports Radio talking about the Carano/Cyborg bout. I suppose he probably also talked about his injury and his book too, but it was still a surprise to hear.

It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.

by capital L on Aug 12, 2009 6:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: "Do we need to see two “hot” beauties battle it out for that to happen? Perhaps they need to be both “hot” and very good in the sport?"

“Good in the sport” is mandatory, assuming one wants long-term growth and not a one shot deal. As for “hot”, not necessarily, but they do have to be charismatic, articulate and fluent in English (or have an excellent interpreter that allows the athlete’s personality to shine through). They also need some coaching on how to handle tv appearances vs print interviews, and how to handle the inevitable asinine and repetitive questions. ideally, they should have some story behind them, “tough childhood”, “captain of their college wrestling team”, “former ice skater / soldier / ballerina turns to mma”, “have famous mentor”, etc. (And really, everyone has a story if you brainstorm for awhile). If you want the marketers to spin, they need to have something to spin.

And unquestionably not enough has been done to promote Cyborg, which is an absolute shame. A fight involves two people, and for a successful promotion you need to create a buzz around both of them.

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by Michal on Aug 12, 2009 8:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

hey. my net has been out, so i haven’t been commenting lately.

thanks for the shout out… haha… but yeah, i knew they wouldn’t get more press than 100, but i never thought that they would get this little press coverage for the entire event..

and now that Diaz is out, plus UFC 100 and a couple of unaired prelims will be shown, they’re bound to lose a whole lot of viewers…. it’s just a shame cause they really could’ve marketed this a lot better..

by Anton Tabuena on Aug 13, 2009 1:51 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

No one cares about strikeforce or women’s mma where I’m at, all they know is “Gina is hot” but won’t ever watch her fight…

and especially this weekend, I’ve been hyping it up even though I will be DVR’ing the event because my Seahawks open their pre-season (yes, the starters only play first series or two but legit football fans watch every play of every game, that’s how you actually know players before they play, watching the backups, like Cassel last season, Kurt Warner when he was with the Rams, Hasselback dominating pre-season with the Packers before coming to the Hawks, etc)…

anyways, Strikeforce ranks way behind the NFL, even pre-season football…

Live UFC > NFL Pre-season > Replay of UFC > Strikeforce…

^ – not for me personally (switch the last two) but I’m assuming for most people that are casual fans of both football and mma…

by Reaser16 on Aug 13, 2009 3:11 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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