Dan Miragliotta Defends Stoppage of Johny Hendricks Amir Sadollah Fight at UFC 101
by Kid Nate on Aug 11, 2009 10:04 AM EDT
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From Fighters.com:
"When you get to see the fight in slow motion, you can see that [Amir Sadollah (1-1)] was out and then, after a couple of strikes, wakes back up and starts trying to stand back up," UFC referee Dan Miragliotta told Fighters.com Sunday night in response to the outrage here and across the MMA media after John Hendricks (6-0) TKO’d the charasmatic The Ultimate Fighter 7 champ Sadollah in 29 seconds in Hendricks’s Octagon debut at UFC 101 in Philadelphia Saturday.
Miragliotta emphasized, "You know me and have spoken with me about other fights, my job is to protect the fighters and I try and do my best to do that."
A proud professional, Miragliotta verified his call immediately after the stoppage: "When I stopped the fight and got between Sadollah and Hendricks, Sadollah still looked glassy eyed and asked me what happened. I feel that he was still a little out of it while standing there talking to me." And, when Fighters.com spoke to Miragliotta, he had just finished watching the fight again to examine his work.
Personally, I prefer the occasional quick stoppage to a late stoppage like Josh Rosenthal's in the Brian Bowles vs Miguel Torres fight. No one gets permanent brain damage from a quick stoppage.
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I thought this was right…When I guy is out you have to move in. Amir was out/not intelligently defending himself for a portion of that exchange.
Even in the case of an early stoppage at the end of the day its the fighters fault for putting himself in a bad position
by SES 84 on Aug 11, 2009 9:58 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Actually, I still blame Dan. Notice that he stood directly behind Johnny until the last moment in a position where he couldn’t clearly see Amir’s head/face/eyes. That’s bad reffing. Instead of standing there, he should been circling to get a better view.
When he finally got around Johnny, he looked up and stopped the fight as Amir was standing. This guy sucks.
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by jemaleddin on Aug 11, 2009 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dan seems to think “what happened?” means the guy is out of his senses. The guy is confused and asked Dan why did you stop it. At least Yves Lavignes admit his fault. Dan is never wrong.
by cyph on Aug 11, 2009 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly. Mistakes are ALWAYS going to be a part of reffing fights. But having the balls to say, “Wow – I thought I was making a good call, but I made a mistake. I’ll try to do better in the future” would make me like Dan a lot more.
(If he didn’t remind me so much of those damned New Jersey guidos at the shore…)
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by jemaleddin on Aug 11, 2009 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still don’t look at that replay and say fight shouldn’t have been stopped. The way I see it, Amir was knocked out, not defending himself, then came to and was bumbling to his feet. Do you honestly, not believe he was going to get cracked again immediately.
I do agree that Dan was not in the best position and that what Amir said isn’t strong enough, but I don’t think this changes my opinion of the stoppage after watching it.
by SES 84 on Aug 11, 2009 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This
is what I freakin’ hate about Dan. He never admits he’s wrong publicly. I’d actually sympathize with the guy if he would admit he was wrong once in awhile. I remember when he made the horrible stoppage with Kimbo/Thompson, he was quoted as saying Thompson thought was out of it and thought he (Dan) was Kimbo, which was completely asinine.
by filipinomix2oo0 on Aug 11, 2009 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He is missing many punches when amir is down no? Maybe dan thought he was connecting.
You don't look like a Tanaka.
by spectaa on Aug 11, 2009 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then Dan should have stopped standing behind Johnny and gotten to where he could see shit.
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by jemaleddin on Aug 11, 2009 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Look at dan’s head before he stops the fight, he is behind, but he sees very well what’s happening. He comes from behind, bend his head, look closely for like a second and stop the fight. He could be in a better position, but I think he saw what was going on.
You don't look like a Tanaka.
by spectaa on Aug 11, 2009 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In the GIF you can’t see it, but he spends the 5 second prior like he’s trying to line up a planetary conjunction between the three people in the cage. Instead of doing his stupid squat move, he should have been racing to a better position.
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by jemaleddin on Aug 11, 2009 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s true, he did a crappy job at positioning himself, and for this he deserves criticisms.
You don't look like a Tanaka.
by spectaa on Aug 11, 2009 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he’s trying to line up a planetary conjunction
This made me laugh. One point for you.
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by ronniebonnie on Aug 11, 2009 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, in this example Amir is Venus, Johnny is Mars and Dan is a big floating bag of gas like Jupiter.
And being that far from the sun, I think Jupiter uses fake-tan too.
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by jemaleddin on Aug 11, 2009 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here’s the problem… and Dan actually makes the point.
Look at Sadollah on the ground. Hendricks isn’t connecting, but Sadollah can barely get up. It isn’t because he’s trying to avoid punches. He looks like he’s struggling to stay together. In looking back at this… Dan made the right call.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 11, 2009 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Regardless, Dan still did a shit job: his entire goal as a ref should be to get into a position where he can see what’s going on, and he was completely failing at that.
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by jemaleddin on Aug 11, 2009 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This is true, and I think he simply got lucky at the fact that Sadollah didn’t get barraged on by Hendricks.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 11, 2009 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Amir is struggling to get up because Hendricks is hitting him to the back of his head.
by cyph on Aug 11, 2009 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
INDEED,
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by jemaleddin on Aug 11, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Amer was stumbling around like a drunk
Rec’d
by SES 84 on Aug 11, 2009 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
6 illegal and very intentional strikes to the back of the head!!!
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by ekc on Aug 11, 2009 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another angle.
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by Eugene Schelfaut on Aug 11, 2009 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see one hit, one glancing shot, and 4 whiffs. Both the hit and the glancing shot were to the back of the head. Dan did an absolutely horrible job there.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Aug 11, 2009 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually the reffing is so bad it made me forget the rules.
You don't look like a Tanaka.
by spectaa on Aug 11, 2009 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
back of the head
= warning amirite
"he's the best punchy face man in the buisness"
by blubber_guard on Aug 11, 2009 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Back of the head = immediate point deduction
At least if you’re Brock Lesnar.
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by ufc4 on Aug 11, 2009 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, you didn’t see McCarthy’s mishap in MFC, did you?
He point deducts INSTANTLY for a ball kick, but then when the other guy does it… it’s a warning. I’ll give McCarthy a break because he’s mostly great all the time, but that was such a massive fail.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 11, 2009 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think people are idolizing Big John, he made his share of fuckups.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Aug 11, 2009 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed, everyone screws up, but he was probably the best.
And no Leland, I didn’t see that, but it sounds pretty shitty.
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by ufc4 on Aug 11, 2009 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You think that point taken cost him the fight? :-)
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by jemaleddin on Aug 11, 2009 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m pretty sure a back-of-the head shot WON him the Couture fight, so his head-karma is even.
BOOSH
by Farthammer on Aug 11, 2009 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You sir, are just posting rec-bait now.
And it works.
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by jemaleddin on Aug 11, 2009 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It hit Couture’s ear, so it was just fine.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Aug 11, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What?
If that was an ear shot, then every punch thrown by Hendricks landed flush on the chin.
BOOSH
by Farthammer on Aug 11, 2009 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Lesnar’s fists are half the size of Couture’s head, his fist touched Randy’s ear.
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by iiowyn on Aug 11, 2009 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
….On the way to the back of the head. :-)
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by jemaleddin on Aug 11, 2009 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hendricks should have gotten a point deducted for the 6 illegal strikes to the back of the head and Amir should have been given 5 minutes for recovery
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by ekc on Aug 11, 2009 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Back of the head
= warning OR stand up, or TKO, depending on the referee :/.
You don't look like a Tanaka.
by spectaa on Aug 11, 2009 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
THIS IS WHAT I DONT GET
every strike was clearly intended for the back of the head..i count 6 intentional strike to the back of the head…
now WHY wasnt Hendricks DQed for that? i mean if it was one soccer kick or knee to the head he would’ve.. what is the difference??
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by ekc on Aug 11, 2009 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The difference is that it would have required a good ref to notice that.
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by jemaleddin on Aug 11, 2009 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
or
a ref who has a head of his own, instead of a face grafted onto shoulders
how can we expect him to know whats legal if he doesn’t even have it himself
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by blubber_guard on Aug 11, 2009 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
thats pretty self explanatory...
form the angle where he was, he couldn’t tell if they were hitting the back or not, because he was positioned wrong
making the comparison to soccer kicks or knees is just infantile and slightly silly
thats like me saying “but what if he stabbed him”
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by blubber_guard on Aug 11, 2009 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, what if he stabbed him? Don’t keep me in suspense!
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by jemaleddin on Aug 11, 2009 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
even from Dan’s position, what did he think Hendricks was striking? Amir’s shoulders
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by ekc on Aug 11, 2009 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Amir stoppage was fine. He was out and was ready to get an ultra beatdown. The Bowles stoppage may have been a little late, but it happened real fast. Josh is great ref and did his job as well.
by wandyman on Aug 11, 2009 10:00 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed. Both of these stops were fine. People need to calm the heck down sometimes.
by Chris Nelson on Aug 11, 2009 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I still think the Bowles vs. Torres stoppage was a bit late. Rosenthal was standing right there watching some of those blows cream a out cold Torres. I suppose I’m asking too much.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 11, 2009 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I had a major problem with Rosenthal's
late stoppage in the Torres/Bowles fight. Bowles landed 3 massive blows well after Torres was laying there limp.
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by dnevil001 on Aug 11, 2009 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That just indicates how hard the refs job is. Dan is getting attacked for not moving fast enough (even though he had a fine few until Hendricks moved, and this other guy is getting attacked because he was a second or two late in stopping Bowles.
I think we’re splitting hairs here. Refs have to deal with these things in split seconds, without instant replay or timeouts. They deserve quite a bit of slack.
by toxic on Aug 11, 2009 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dan got attacked because he was completely out of position behind Hendricks. Rosenthal wasn’t.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 11, 2009 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They way I’m seeing that Gif, Hendricks was parallel along the cage with Sadollah and then edges over to block the refs view. His view was obstructed for a second or two, max.
by toxic on Aug 11, 2009 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In the PPV it was clearer: Dan was just a rock standing there while all this shit was going on. Then, and you can hear the shrill squeal of the hamster wheels turning over the noise of the crowd if you listen carefully, he sorta wakes up and runs over to look at what’s going on, takes a quick peek at Amir AROUND Johnny’s body, and stops the fight.
What has this guy ever done right? How do the commissions keep letting him work?
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by jemaleddin on Aug 11, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You mean you don’t want to give the champ a chance to recover? He’s the champ no?
Personally, I prefer the occasional quick stoppage to a late stoppage like Josh Rosenthal’s in the Brian Bowles vs Miguel Torres fight. No one gets permanent brain damage from a quick stoppage.
I’m really tired of people advocating more early stoppages. This is MMA, not paddy cake fighting. Give me a break.
by cyph on Aug 11, 2009 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You mean the champ
laying completely limp on his back after already taking 2 shots directly to the face completely unconscious? No, I do not want that.
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by dnevil001 on Aug 11, 2009 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So would it be better to stop the fight after the first punch that knocked down Torres? That’s comparable to the Amir stoppage.
by cyph on Aug 11, 2009 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No dude,
maybe when Bowles delivered two unanswered blows while he laid unconscious on his back! Rosenthal allowed Bowles to hit Torres 3 more times after he was for sure completely out.
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by dnevil001 on Aug 11, 2009 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Internet with explod if Torres lost by early stoppage
I was making an analogy between the two. If you accept Amir’s stoppage, would you accept it if Torres lose the way Amir did? It may look late after the benefit of slow motion, but in the heat of the moment, it didn’t seem so bad. A decisive loss is almost always a little late. Early stoppages is never definitive, it just deprives fighter’s of their 3 months of training.
by cyph on Aug 11, 2009 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In Amir’s case it was over a year.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Aug 11, 2009 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
First of all, who gives a shit about what the internet thinks?
And I hope that refs are not thinking of us when they are calling a fight. Second, there is no comparison. Torres didn’t lose the way Amir did, He was KNOCKED THE FUCK OUT & the ref allowed Bowles to pound him 3 more times! There is always an argument for an early stoppage, namely fighter safety. And no, I was screaming when it happened live & slow mo just confirmed it. Torres laid flat on his back with his arms out completely unconscious. There is no defending allowing Bowles to smash him 3 more times.
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by dnevil001 on Aug 11, 2009 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Those punches took 1 second?
Is every ref supposed to have the reflexes of superman?
by Phildo on Aug 11, 2009 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No
but the reflexed of fdr arent best suited either
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by blubber_guard on Aug 11, 2009 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What are you talking about man?
As a ref, when you see a fighter laid out with his arms at his side-YOU STOP THE FUCKING FIGHT!! Don’t give me this crap about it all happend too fast. I watched it live and when Torres went down Bowles gave him 2 more good shots which put him completely out. Then he hit him 3 more times after he was completely limp. Any moron calling this fight could tell he was out without having the reflexes of superman.
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by dnevil001 on Aug 11, 2009 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was out on the first huge blow on the floor that landed flush. I’d say Torres took 2 more shots than he should have for sure.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 11, 2009 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right,
that is exactly what I screamed while watching it live. I could not believe Rosenthal just stood there allowing Bowles to tee off on him after he was clearly out.
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by dnevil001 on Aug 11, 2009 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe
Rosenthal was standing there all like ‘WTF!!!’
I was frozen on the spot and my jaw on the floor when I watched that fight.
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by Well Read Idiot on Aug 12, 2009 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I understand that he took 2 hits after he was out, but I don’t see how the ref could have got there any faster. Unless he started moving before the guy was out, and then we’d have an early stoppage.
It’s very difficult to get it exactly right, it’s a matter of less than a second.
by Phildo on Aug 11, 2009 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s pretty easy. Rosethal was standing to the side watching. He should have been in closer position. I’ve seen plenty of referees get much closer.
In Miragliotta’s case, he was at the worst possible angle.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 11, 2009 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
INDEED.
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by jemaleddin on Aug 11, 2009 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well I think a number are consistent
Torres stoppage late…
Amir’s appropriate.
by SES 84 on Aug 11, 2009 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He chance to recover ironically can be taken away by a late stoppage. When the dude is taking heavy punishment, already out, to the point it becomes hard to watch, you know you got a late stoppage.
You don't look like a Tanaka.
by spectaa on Aug 11, 2009 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damn, I forgot to read myself.
I meant: “Chances to recover […]”
You don't look like a Tanaka.
by spectaa on Aug 11, 2009 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the yuji shimada
type of reffing huh? I would want dan reffing my fights rather than shimada, and it’s a miracle the guy didn’t get anybody killed back in pride,
by theblade on Aug 11, 2009 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm saying that I'd prefer refs err on the side of early rather than late stoppages
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by Kid Nate on Aug 11, 2009 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And I’m saying that you’re going to get a lot more errors when you have refs that can’t be bothered to move into a position where they can see what’s going on. Dan made at least 3 mistakes in that fight:
- Standing – and staying – out of position
- Not stopping the strikes to the back of the head
- Stopping the fight.
Any ONE of those would be something that would be unfortunate but understandable. But the trifecta of bad reffing? Fire this man. Fire him NOOOOOOOW!
(Self-flagged for ref-bashing.)
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by jemaleddin on Aug 11, 2009 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Strike to the back of the head
When a guy is totally rocked and basically finished you often see shots to the back of the head. I’m not saying this is necessarily ok, but its common.
by SES 84 on Aug 11, 2009 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really like Amir, so on the matter of the stoppage I am probably biased. However ignoring the stoppage Dan was in a terrible position to see what was going on.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Aug 11, 2009 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i am saying ref’s need to recognize illegal strikes to the back of the head.
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by ekc on Aug 11, 2009 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the guy dropped to his knees, then if you watch, goes limp AGAIN amidst the punches….he was OUT. there are no standing 8 counts in MMA. this isn’t pride where Nog can go out then wake back up and keep fighting…it was a good stoppage.
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by theworldsoldestsport on Aug 11, 2009 10:04 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Dan is one of the worst refs in the “big show”. I have seen his early stoppages live a few times too many. He gives a fighter no chance to recoup, even when they aren’t even knocked out.
He should not be reffing top level MMA anymore. He has screwed up too many outcomes so far.
by AlwaysRelaxing on Aug 11, 2009 10:05 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Amir was knocked out… Tell me he wasn’t.
by SES 84 on Aug 11, 2009 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Amir wasn’t knocked out.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Aug 11, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or:
He sure was doing a good job holding himself up while unconscious.
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by jemaleddin on Aug 11, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also standing up right before Dan bungled in.
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by iiowyn on Aug 11, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
John Rosenthal?
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Aug 11, 2009 10:07 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You know, the one who is always being called Josh Rosenberg.
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by jemaleddin on Aug 11, 2009 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Josh Rosenberg is the guy who hosts the drive time sports talk radio show in San Diego.
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by Richard Wade on Aug 11, 2009 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
His excuse might hold some weight had he been in POSITION to see if Amir was ok or not. He DIDN’T stop the fight when Amir was supposedly out, he stopped it when he was standing back up. That’s a HUGE difference and frankly, fighters should be given a chance to work through tough situations. They know what their job is.
Furthermore, Dan always uses the same tired “Fighter X looked out of it” to defend himself. He said the same shit about Thompson when it clearly wasn;t the case, just like it wasn’t the case Saturday night. Any fight this guy is involved in has a high chance of being ruined and that sucks.
by VegasBatman on Aug 11, 2009 10:14 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Costanza said that it’s not a lie if you truly believe it.
Someone needs to do a “this is sparta” animated gif for that tko
by kanodogg on Aug 11, 2009 10:24 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
one of the worst stoppage i have seen… everypunch was either missing, hitting the shoulder or hitting the back of the head, which Dan should’ve deducted a point from Hendricks….
Ref screw up in all sports, and this was no different.
sorry amir.
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by ekc on Aug 11, 2009 10:28 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Watch Amir's body
when he’s down and Hendricks is punching. It keeps moving around like he’s taking punishment.
by MMAInFeRioRiTy on Aug 11, 2009 10:42 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Or moving his head not to be hit.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Aug 11, 2009 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
For me personally, it’s hard to criticize the guy when we can’t see what he sees. From TV, we can’t see if Amir’s eyes are glassy and/or if he looks out of it. If what he says is accurate about how Sadollah was after the stoppage, that he was still glassy and confused, then I think it was a good stoppage. As opposed to Sunday night when Rosenthal had a nice look as Bowles hit a completely unconscious and limp Torres an extra 4-5 times.
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by bigtim on Aug 11, 2009 10:45 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
We can absolutely criticize him for what he cannot see, and his positioning was absolute trash.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Aug 11, 2009 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i thought it was bad
but im not too upset about. I can see where Dan is coming from, It was a tough call in the heat of the moment. In my opinion Amir looked like he was keeping his head down to avoid the barrage of punches and then he stood up. Its impossible to know exactly how hurt he was, but i definately thought it was premature. I think he deseved the benefit of the doubt in this situation. But i cant be to mad about it because I admit that it was a tough call.
by moopwontplay on Aug 11, 2009 10:51 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Dan should have been in a better position.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Aug 11, 2009 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i thought dan was awesome in beatle juice in the waiting room scene
"he's the best punchy face man in the buisness"
by blubber_guard on Aug 11, 2009 10:53 AM EDT reply actions 5 recs
REC'D TO DEATH
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by jemaleddin on Aug 11, 2009 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How the hell is a comment like that not green already?
by Kierkegaard on Aug 11, 2009 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I did my part.
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by jemaleddin on Aug 11, 2009 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
all in fear
of dan “the dog” mongler-otta
"he's the best punchy face man in the buisness"
by blubber_guard on Aug 11, 2009 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You sir, are a gentleman, a scholar, and a fine judge of fat women.
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by jemaleddin on Aug 11, 2009 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i take it back
thats belcher’s tattoo
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by blubber_guard on Aug 11, 2009 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
It was a fair stoppage and a lackluster fight.
by nastyem on Aug 11, 2009 10:56 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
if the stoppage was fair
how the HELL is a 29 seconds TKO lackluster?
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by blubber_guard on Aug 11, 2009 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
a guy crawling around on the ground and his opponent missing shots to end it cleanly made it lackluster.
by nastyem on Aug 11, 2009 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Never seen
arlovski’s knockout highlights have you
"he's the best punchy face man in the buisness"
by blubber_guard on Aug 11, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sure have, don’t like the guy.
unless you mean the ones where HE got knocked out, which are fantastic.
by nastyem on Aug 11, 2009 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The fight had just began, that makes absolutely no sense.
You don't look like a Tanaka.
by spectaa on Aug 11, 2009 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was a lackluster fight because it was an *un*fair stoppage.
by Kierkegaard on Aug 11, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If a fighter asks the referee if he was out, then it probably was not an early stoppage.
by David_ on Aug 11, 2009 11:02 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
But if you don’t think you’ve been out and don’t understand why the fight was stopped, it COULD be that you were knocked out but don’t know, or it could be that you weren’t knocked out but know enough that you wouldn’t know if you had been.
That made a lot more sense in my head.
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by jemaleddin on Aug 11, 2009 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, and there was no doubt the first shot hurt him, it was the glancing/missing blows that got the fight stopped.
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by BJJDenver on Aug 11, 2009 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sadollah was on the ground looking like he was seizuring trying to get up. I mean, it wasn’t a seizure, but you could tell he could barely move because he was done. I don’t think it’s a terrible stoppage, BUT….
The other angle in the thread, it looks like Hendricks tees off at least one shot on the back of his head. I mean, wtf was Dan doing there? Oh yeah… he was at a TERRIBLE ANGLE, that’s why he’s bad.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 11, 2009 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, you think Dan is to slow for these size fighters? maybe they should have refs that are closer to the size of teh fighters in the match? That can move and keep up better? Just a thought.
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by BJJDenver on Aug 11, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s not his movement on the feet.
It’s just hard to move a neck that size.
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by jemaleddin on Aug 11, 2009 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, being at the back’s of two fighters when Sadollah actually went down… I don’t get his reasoning for the angle he was at. The fight was on the rocks.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 11, 2009 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sometimes
there’s just no exscuse for being bad at your job
"he's the best punchy face man in the buisness"
by blubber_guard on Aug 11, 2009 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
white bobbly lashley frame
far to happy a head to be on that monster
"he's the best punchy face man in the buisness"
by blubber_guard on Aug 11, 2009 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
...to the back of the head
"Respond intelligently even to unintelligent treatment."
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by RoyalB on Aug 11, 2009 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, that bothered me more than the actual stoppage.
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by BJJDenver on Aug 11, 2009 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If a fighter asks the referee if he was out, then it probably was not an early stoppage.
Unless he’s asking because he’s pretty damn sure he wasn’t out and he’s confused about why this man is stopping the fight he trained a year for.
by Shaun32887 on Aug 11, 2009 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ever think
“what happened?” would be a perfect question to ask after a ref stops a fight when you dont know why
"he's the best punchy face man in the buisness"
by blubber_guard on Aug 11, 2009 11:07 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Aug 11, 2009 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
seriously
it’d be the first thing i asked
"he's the best punchy face man in the buisness"
by blubber_guard on Aug 11, 2009 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
“did I win?”
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by BJJDenver on Aug 11, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
“when the ef did we get ice cream”
"he's the best punchy face man in the buisness"
by blubber_guard on Aug 11, 2009 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Quote from a fighter on the UG
“The only thing I hate worse than a fight being stopped by shots to the back of the head, is a fight being stopped by missed shots to the back of the head.”
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Aug 11, 2009 11:10 AM EDT reply actions 6 recs
brilliant!
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by ekc on Aug 11, 2009 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was an early stoppage, however, I will always side with fighter safety. As long as UFC realizes this and makes an immediate rematch, then it shouldn’t be a huge problem.
It is unfortunate, but there really is no way around these instances. Either fights go on to long, like Bowles/Torres, or we get bad stoppages. There really is no way to get it exactly right every time.
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by BJJDenver on Aug 11, 2009 11:18 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This is where having a somewhat-benevolent monarch like Dana is an advantage over a more procedural organization like the various boxing entities or a Sengoku tournament-style organization: Dana will look at that fight and say, “Amir got fucked, let’s make it up to the kid.”
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by jemaleddin on Aug 11, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Moustapha Al-Turk Prognosis.
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by BJJDenver on Aug 11, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Immediate rematch
Really? Was this a robbery? I don’t think so. Maybe if your a big advocate of the strikes to the back of the head thesis ok, but Amir was about to be finished in my opinion. At the very least he put himself in an awful position and lost accordingly.
by SES 84 on Aug 11, 2009 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was definitely an early stoppage...
… especially since Hendricks really wasn’t connecting with anything when Amir was down. Amir has a history of taking a beating but coming back. I think he should have been given the benefit of the doubt. However, the other side of me knows that a quick stoppage is better than any long term physical harm. I agree with Nate that the occasional quick stoppage is preferred over the alternative.
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by pud333 on Aug 11, 2009 11:57 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don´t think it matters if he was or was not connecting, Sadollah was in a position where he could not defend himself. There is a rule in any combat sport that I know: “Protect yourself at all times”
by David_ on Aug 11, 2009 12:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It would be great if he was given an opportunity to.
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by RoyalB on Aug 11, 2009 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
while that might be true
where do we draw the line between a fighter getting screwed and fighter safety?
by proflex on Aug 11, 2009 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the thing is, I´ve watched the fight a couple of times and I don´t see him trying to get up or to cover from punches, he’s just waiting there on all four. That is a very dangerous situation for a fighter.
by David_ on Aug 11, 2009 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unless he’s not actually getting hurt.
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by jemaleddin on Aug 11, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just bring Big John McCarthy back...
I’m not gonna bash on the refs – but it seems as though nearly every UFC PPV lately has at least one case of “bad reffing”.
Whatever Dana’s problem is with Big John, he should get over it (like he did with Tito) and bring him back for the sake of the fighters & matches. To complain about the reffing/bad calls when you’re refusing to use the best ref available is just stoopid.
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by Bruz on Aug 11, 2009 12:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It’s not really Danas call to bring him back, he works for the commissions not ZUFFA.
by VegasBatman on Aug 11, 2009 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, Dana is still stuck with Mazz who he hates.
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by jemaleddin on Aug 11, 2009 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
still
i feel like im watching the sabotage video every time he runs across the cage to stop the fight
"he's the best punchy face man in the buisness"
by blubber_guard on Aug 11, 2009 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ahhh, gotcha – thanks for the clarification
Keep Swillin',
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by Bruz on Aug 11, 2009 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He first needs to apply for a license in Nevada, which so far he has not done.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Aug 11, 2009 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Oh and Big John has had his share of fuckups, people have been idolizing him.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Aug 11, 2009 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No doubt… none of these refs are perfect… but some are certainly “not as good” as others…
Keep Swillin',
Bruz
by Bruz on Aug 11, 2009 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
they idolize him
because they don´t see him working anymore. We don´t get to criticize every three weeks as the other referees.
by David_ on Aug 11, 2009 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
him**
“him” should be somewhere in my post
by David_ on Aug 11, 2009 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You also left out, “Fire Dan Miragliotta.” Don’t worry – we all make mistakes.
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by jemaleddin on Aug 11, 2009 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree completely,
yes Big John was a good ref but just like sports stars that retire. Even when they were just above-average but not great players, 5 yrs after they retire everyone is like “man that guy was the best I ever seen!”
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by dnevil001 on Aug 11, 2009 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So here's a question
seeing as how a lot of people want to hang Dan out to dry,
do you think that Amir was going to improve his position, seriously, even if he had started to make it back to his feet, he was going to get fed shots until he stood, and then, more than likely was going to get knocked out. Here’s what we know as fact, he wasn’t defending himself, he got rocked, and was about to get rocked again, how much damage does someone need to take before it’s a “good” stoppage?
by proflex on Aug 11, 2009 1:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
We don’t know he was “about to be rocked again” as a fact.
These guys are fighters, let them fight until we have a clear finish.
by VegasBatman on Aug 11, 2009 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Quote from Miguel as support
“People told me about that. They said I took too many punches after the fact, but you know what man? I talk to all of the referees before the fight and I let them know that’s the way I want to go out. I want to go out; I want to go out! I don’t want there to be a question of if I was okay still or still awake. If I’m going to go out, I want to go out man. I respect Rosenthal for doing that! People thought it might have been too much, but for me, it’s not enough. Every time I go out, I put my life on the line and if I’m going to lose a fight, that’s the way I want to go out. I want to go out!”
by VegasBatman on Aug 11, 2009 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
YES
I still think he is a P4P great, I can’t wait to see what he does when he comes back. I agree with Miguel, Brian woke up a giant.
by VegasBatman on Aug 11, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or maybe put a giant to sleep!
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by dnevil001 on Aug 11, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I actually wasn’t so disappointed to see him lose. He’s been getting kinda cocky, I figured this would happen sooner or later, his insistence on fighting guys where they’re strongest is definitely a liability. Hopefully he’ll shore up his wrestling and come back even stronger.
by Shaun32887 on Aug 11, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Torres really needs to keep to being calm when fighting. He does much much better at those times.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Aug 11, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And he's officially going to have every ref stop fights early now...
Saying that just isn’t smart. Puts his life and career in jeopardy.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 11, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why would refs stop his fights early now?
His whole career puts his life in jeopardy. Fighters know what they’re getting into and want to be KO’d rather than be taken out of a fight because they are in “trouble”. It’s what they live for.
by VegasBatman on Aug 11, 2009 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Based on his history, yes he was going to improve his position. Have you watched his fights on TUF?
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Aug 11, 2009 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
based on his history
yes I watched his TUF fights, but it still doesn’t change the fact that he was rocked when he went down, and it still doesn’t change the fact he was getting fed shots while he was down, I know “back of the head” but those shots go from back of the head to dead on the button pretty damned quickly as Amir starts to stand up.
by proflex on Aug 11, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was why he wasn’t standing up yet. You can slip shots on your hands and knees just fine, waiting until the spot to stand up comes.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Aug 11, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How can you not say
that he wasn’t about to be rocked again, his hands where on mat, if he tries to stand, all those “back of the head” shots, become chin shots, he isn’t going to bring his hands up fast enough to block any of them. a refs job isn’t to let someone take any damage that they shouldn’t have to, and thats what happened, Amir wasn’t about to improve his position very well or even at all. How many times does this conversation have to happen though, someone not defending themselves is clear is it not. Not to sound like an ass, your quote from someone else really doesn’t help Amir’s cast at all, completely different person under completely different circumstances.
by proflex on Aug 11, 2009 1:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It looked to me like he might go for a single leg… which sort of defeats your entire premise.
by VegasBatman on Aug 11, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really? ok then that changes everything, because it looked like to me he was trying to stand, what it looks like was going to happen and what was happening are two separate issues,
by proflex on Aug 11, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It looked to me that Rampage was going to drive his truck through the ring and knock everyone out.
Hypotheticals are stupid. For all we know Amir was going to catch him with a flying scissors heel hook and finish him in 5 seconds had Dan not stopped the fight early.
by Screwface on Aug 11, 2009 3:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Looked like he "might go for a single"
I think your own statement defeated yours.
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by dnevil001 on Aug 11, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're right he MAY have been knocked out....but he wasn't
Amir isbeginning to stand up as Merg grabs Hendricks. As Rogan said, you only have 2 ways of defending yourself at that point. Get up or roll to guard. He chose the former. Maybe he was going for a single, maybe he was just getting up. Sure he was dazed but that’s not the criteria for stopping a fight. The whole point of being in there is to give and take damage.
by naturalist on Aug 11, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
when I say he may have been KO'd i mean at some point AFTER the premi stoppage
by naturalist on Aug 11, 2009 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
I’m not trying to say that Dan didn’t make a quick call, all I’m trying to say is that despite all the people hating on the ref, we are not in that cage, we don’t see what happens, Amir might have been going for a single, he may very well have been trying to stand. Things weren’t going good for him at that point. He may have been knocked unnecessarily, we’ve seen this conversation numerous times, getting knocked out isn’t a good thing, if a ref can prevent someone from being rendered unconscious, is that not in that fighters best interest?
by proflex on Aug 11, 2009 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then why let them fight at all? It’s in a fighters best interest to not get hurt, we should have them have mean looking contests instead of fighting.
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by VegasBatman on Aug 11, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You should see my 9-year-old when you tell him he’s not getting desert. BAD. ASS.
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by jemaleddin on Aug 11, 2009 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Dude, he’s already not getting desert – that’s punishment enough!
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by jemaleddin on Aug 11, 2009 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
gurgel’s career/
"he's the best punchy face man in the buisness"
by blubber_guard on Aug 11, 2009 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK I'll reword it
as you seem to be missing the entire point I’m making.
Dan as a ref is responsible for not letting a fighter take UNNECESSARY damage. A fighter is going to get hurt, it’s the name of the game, but if in the refs eyes, the fighter is not defending himself, then it’s his job to prevent someone from being rendered unconscious. What part of this is so difficult to understand, the refs job is fighter safety, not fan reaction. If you guys think you can do better, get away from the keyboard, get the training and get in the cage.
by proflex on Aug 11, 2009 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dan should have absolutely been in a better position, he was standing right behind Hendricks completely blocked from seeing what was happening. That right there is an undefendable fuckup.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Aug 11, 2009 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sorry
this was in response to VegasBatman
by proflex on Aug 11, 2009 1:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Can we focus on the imporant thing here
Johny Hendricks missed on 4-5 punches while standing over a guy who was on all fours in front of him barely able to move. Hes the anti-Anderson Silva.
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by Day Man on Aug 11, 2009 2:06 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
Amir slipped 4-5 punches aimed at his head while on his hands and knees while wobbled, let’s see Silva do that.
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by iiowyn on Aug 11, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Actually, look at the other angle...
It looks like one landed.. barely, and another glanced. So he missed about 3 shots, then glanced enough blows to have it deemed illegal blows…
That almost makes it worse. He did enough to have points deducted, but then missed a finish.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 11, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My problem with Dan:
Where the hell is the warnings?
Dan tends to give no warnings or only one warning when he stops a fight. That doesn’t give the rocked but still capable fighter a chance to show he’s defending himself.
Remember the Boetsch/Heath fight? After Boetsch chucked Heath, he was in an almost identical position as Hendricks, raining punches down on Heath.
Herb Dean was the ref, he was in place telling Heath to fight back. After two statements without response, he stopped the fight.
Miragliotta was out of position and he did not warn the fighter to defend himself, a fighter who wasn’t even all the way to the ground. He didn’t warn James Thompson to defend himself before stopping the Kimbo fight. Its hard to hear, but he also possibly doesn’t tell Vera to defend himself before stopping the Werdum fight.
To me, that is a pattern of systematic bad reffing.
by Foxskinrug on Aug 11, 2009 3:13 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I agree with this
I really like the warnings, especially when there is a bit of doubt. If Dan shouted ‘Defend yourself Amir’ he would have known that he had to get up, shoot for a leg or roll into guard, not just stay there.
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by Well Read Idiot on Aug 12, 2009 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Slip n Slide
Amir was ROCKED and slipping all over the place….good call, one or two shots too long in my book, but all around a poor performance from a pretty inexperienced MMA fighter.
Amir is green and it showed…the UFC hype machine blows all these guys up to be the next big thing after being on the game show, but really they are still way inexperienced.
by magneto on Aug 13, 2009 12:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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