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WEC 42 Fighters Deliver Great Action at Low Low Prices

Bowles-torres_medium MMA Mania has the payout numbers for WEC 42:

Brian Bowles - $18,000 ($9,000, $9,000 to win)
Miguel Torres - $25,000

Dominick Cruz - $14,000 ($7,000 to show, $7,000 to win)
Joseph Benavidez - $12,500

Danny Castillo - $14,000 ($7,000 to show, $7,000 to win)
Ricardo Lamas - $4,000

Takeya Mizugaki - $12,000 ($6,000 to show, $6,000 to win)
Jeff Curran - $8,000

Leonard Garcia - $24,000 ($12,000 to show, $12,000 to win)
Jameel Massouh - $3,000

Star-divide

Cole Province - $6,000 ($3,000 to show, $3,000 to win)
Fredson Paixao - $2,000

Shane Roller - $20,000 ($10,000 to show, $10,000 to win)
Marcus Hicks - $8,000

Ed Ratcliff - $14,000 ($7,000 to show, $7,000 to win)
Phil Cardella - $3,000

Diego Nunes - $8,000 ($4,000 to show, $4,000 to win)
Rafael Dias - $4,000

Rani Yahya - $16,000 ($8,000 to show, $8,000 to win)
John Hosman - $3,000

LC Davis - $10,000 ($5,000 to show, $5,000 to win)
Javier Vasquez - $6,000

Maggie Hendricks makes the case that the WEC crew put on a better show than the much better compensated UFC 101 fighters:

But just as has happened in the past, the WEC fights -- shown on cable for no additional fee -- were more thrilling than the pay-per-view UFC fights.

Before the WEC card even started, the news came out over Twitter that a fight was added to the main card, the exhausting split decision win for Leonard Garcia over Jameel Massouh. Next, Takeya Mizugaki survived a triangle choke for the final minute of the fight to pull out a decision over Jeff Curran. After losing most of the fight, Danny Castillo pulled a rabbit out of the hat with a technical knockout of Ricardo Lamas, just before Dominick Cruz won a frenzy of a fight over Joseph Benavidez. This all led up to the stunning upset, Brian Bowles knocking out Miguel Torres.

Compare those fights to the UFC 101 snoozefest of Kurt Pellegrino's decision over Josh Neer, or the early stoppage between Johny Hendricks and Amir Sadollah. There wasn't an exciting, engaged fight until Anderson Silva and Forrest Griffin took to the cage, and Silva KOed Griffin.

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Get these guys to the UFC and get them a raise.

Keep firing Assholes!

Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead.

by Ubernoober on Aug 10, 2009 10:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

God damn

Leonard Garcia sounds like Cheech’s cousin Red.

by MrBlond3 on Aug 10, 2009 10:09 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

rec...

I said the same exact thing, lol.

I'm like PacMan fightin you silly kids... throw ya Hatton the ring, and get knocked outlike Ricky did.
lol.

by Loot on Aug 11, 2009 8:45 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was one “holy sheep shit” away from piss pantsing myself.

by MrBlond3 on Aug 11, 2009 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

These guys also don’t generate much revenue.

by MMAEruption on Aug 10, 2009 10:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

No but they consistently put on more exciting shows and it’s not the fighter’s fault they are stuck on Versus. The WEC has brought the lighter weight guys a long way in the last couple of years but they still have a long way to go too.

by who me on Aug 10, 2009 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nor is there competition for their services. I don’t really understand the point of this article. Should they be paid more if they aren’t bringing in revenue and no one else is willing to pay them more? Charity? I’d understand this more if there was commentary about how the UFC should absorb the WEC so they could be paid more or some other solution to the problem.

The fighters aren’t being wronged. Would it be good if they could be paid more? Yeah, but it’d also be good if my d*ck was 7 inches long. I haven’t been wronged. It’s just the way it is.

by jacksiwel on Aug 10, 2009 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow...

You’re giving us waaaaaay too much information… Have some dignity and at least ask for a 9" dick.

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by funnytiger on Aug 10, 2009 11:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

I’ve heard it starts hurting them around 8.5’. Anything past 7.5’ isn’t utilitarian and is just about vanity.

by jacksiwel on Aug 10, 2009 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

"them"?

Lol

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by funnytiger on Aug 10, 2009 11:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Bah

Zing.

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by funnytiger on Aug 10, 2009 11:41 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Eek. I have no one to blame but myself.

by jacksiwel on Aug 10, 2009 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol

you get +50 cool points for taking it so well! :)

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by funnytiger on Aug 10, 2009 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

For real...

bit ups to jack for taking it all in stride rather than getting internet macho

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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 11, 2009 2:05 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

There had to be a better way of phrasing that :)

by black dragon on Aug 11, 2009 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

d'oh!

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by funnytiger on Aug 11, 2009 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think it was...

That WEC put on another great show, and it’s a shame that more of the mainstream isn’t aware of the WEC.

by EnsignFrog on Aug 11, 2009 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep.

The WEC’s primary source of income is the live gate, and Zuffa is regularly paying the fighters three or four times the amount they take in at the gate. They are definitely subsidizing the WEC pretty heavily with the UFC money.

by Steve4192 on Aug 11, 2009 7:23 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

$235K total payroll. Lotta subsidization there.

by madiq on Aug 11, 2009 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The gates at ‘The Joint’ are usually south of $100K.

by Steve4192 on Aug 11, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fair enough. The last Hard Rock show had a gate of $90K and a payroll of $216K. We’ll see what the gate at the “new” Hard Rock turns out to be.

by madiq on Aug 11, 2009 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great fights don’t really matter that much if nobody sees them. I want to see what the ratings were before I pass judgement. Unfortunately I don’t think Versus is the best platform for the necessary exposure and without that the fighters will never get paid.

by andrewsj7 on Aug 10, 2009 10:23 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yep first comes the ratings (and hopefully a better network) and then will come the better paychecks. I can’t imagine that anyone exposed to how good these shows are won’t become a fan of the smaller fighters but Versus is a ratings black hole.

by who me on Aug 10, 2009 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, Versus hurts. I had to move up a package (and I wasn’t at base) with my cable provider just to get the channel.

If the UFC used the WEC and mixed in some B level fighters to put on a monthly high caliber Fight Night and spice up the main card, that would be really really hot.

by toxic on Aug 10, 2009 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Imagine my surprise when I got to Louisville KY (a city with over a million people) and found there was no Versus network. It’s getting better but it’s still a crappy network to be stuck on.

by who me on Aug 10, 2009 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I use to have DirecTv and Versus was included in my package. I just moved and switched over to Cox because it was more conventient. Versus is a premium channel on Cox and I’m not willing to cough up the extra dough.

by steveoc24 on Aug 10, 2009 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You might be able to get Versus HD, I don’t have the regular channel but get the HD one, I am with Cox in Virginia.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Aug 11, 2009 2:50 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cox does provide Versus in HD, but like I said, it is a Premium Channel. They want me to cough up an extra $10-12 or something like that. Cable bill is already way too high as it is with a UFC ppv every month. I’m thinking about going back to Satellite.

by steveoc24 on Aug 11, 2009 3:28 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Free Versus HD but no regular Versus because it isn’t in my current package.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Aug 11, 2009 2:50 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

These fights took place at the Hard Rock to. Very small Venue. Can’t expect high salaries if your not going to have a high Live gate.

I always hearing Faber and Torres bitching about money. I think they are compensated just fine. Their fight purses are more than most UFC fighters.

by steveoc24 on Aug 10, 2009 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The UFC could promote the guys quite well. They might never be Chuck Liddell, but having Miguel Torres or Faber on the main card would entice a lot of people to watch. A lot more than Amir Sadollah or Kendall Grove ever would.

by toxic on Aug 10, 2009 10:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That's what I call "bang for your buck"

hahaha get it its a pun.

kill me.

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by Paynuss on Aug 10, 2009 10:42 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

Here we go again first off Maggie is wrong calling Pellegrino/Neer boring is ridiculous secondly these guys are getting paid what they are worth. They’d be lucky to get half as much in other promotions didn’t anybody learn from Affliction you can’t go nuts and overpay for talent if you’re going to build a stable mma org it’s that simple.

by Raker on Aug 10, 2009 10:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think Zuffa has a diamond in the rough here. Sure, they aren’t worth so much while they are in the TV equivalent of my basement, but really—- they could easily double or triple their ratings just by getting on ESPN or some other basic cable channel.

by toxic on Aug 10, 2009 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You must be joking...

That fight was awful as were most of the undercards… Yea, watching Kurt hump Neer until he got frustrated was REAL exciting.

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by funnytiger on Aug 10, 2009 11:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Watching Neer lose like that was well worth it, I love it. Especially Kurt bitch slapping him amid the trash talk.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Aug 11, 2009 2:52 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would have preferred to watch him

get his ass whooped, not gently humped. But I get your point.

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by funnytiger on Aug 11, 2009 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess I wasn’t clear—- I meant the WEC was a diamond in the rough. Not Pelligrino & Neer.

by toxic on Aug 11, 2009 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well then

I couldn’t agree more. :)

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by funnytiger on Aug 11, 2009 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The best thing about it, was that Neer’s active guard kept him from getting stood up.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Aug 11, 2009 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

UFC:Dillards as WEC:Wal-Mart

Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.

by ufc4 on Aug 10, 2009 10:50 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

UFC : WEC
Crave : Sherdog.com

Who will take up the plight of the poor independent contractors at sherdog.com, paying their own payroll taxes and working without medical insurance?

by Jahbulon on Aug 10, 2009 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No

UFC: Macy’s

WEC: 99¢ Only

GSP: I pulled my groin.

Greg Jackson: I don't care Georges! HIT HIM WITH YOUR GROIN!

by xFenixKnightx on Aug 10, 2009 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

UFC:Sams Club :: WEC:Wal Mart

Si Hoc Legere Scis Nimium Eruditionis Habes

by Paynuss on Aug 10, 2009 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Larger portions.

get it?

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by Paynuss on Aug 10, 2009 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You sir

are on fire. aint ya.

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by Well Read Idiot on Aug 11, 2009 6:14 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Names Sell PPVs

Not fights. Maybe if Maggie had 1 ounce of sports knowledge in that thick skull she’d know that.

That’s why the WEC should not do PPVs, their only 2 marketable names both just took major losses.

by Paradoxx on Aug 10, 2009 11:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Jeez dude, so much hostility. Hendricks’s article doesn’t even argue that the WEC fighters should be paid more, only that the WEC event last weekend was more exciting.

by JRN on Aug 11, 2009 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

In Urijah’s case, 2 losses.

I have to agree that Maggie is way off in her reasoning here. UFC 100 brought in over $40 million just in PPV revenue, that doesn’t even include advertising, live gate (another $5 million), and eventually DVD sales. WEC 42 probably brought in less than 5% of that amount. It seems to me that most of those guys are very fairly paid in relation to how much the WEC made for that show.

Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.

by ufc4 on Aug 11, 2009 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Again, her article isn’t making any argument about payment. People are inferring that because B.E. has matched up a quote from her article with the payout numbers, but there’s nothing like that in her piece.

by JRN on Aug 11, 2009 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

WEC typically does about $90K-$100K gate for shows at ‘The Joint’ and has no PPV revenue. That’s about 0.2% of what UFC 100 brought in.

by Steve4192 on Aug 11, 2009 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I didn't think...

Pellegrino/Neer was boring, it just wasn’t exciting.

Who’s surprised the WEC was more exciting? Is Maggie just catching on? These are things people know. Another thing is the UFC is the premier MMA organization. The WEC is a small, exciting promotion with a very bright future. It sucks these guys have to be at the forefront when there’s not any money in it. Props to Maggie for trying to get more people excited about. I try not to be too hard on Maggie because it sounds like she has watched a handful of fights. The combination of her enthusiasm and lack of knowledge is almost cute.
As for the little guys wanting more money. Everybody wants more money. I want more money. Can’t hate on those guys for trying to get it. That being said, if I want to make more money I need a new job or I need to find a way to make the company I work for more money. Maybe Torres and Faber should put on some weight and ask to be moved to the UFC or start brokering a TV deal.

by Shatto1 on Aug 11, 2009 1:08 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Pellegrino/Neer was boring, it just wasn’t exciting.

Hitler wasn’t a bad man, he just wasn’t a good one.

Just givin’ you a hard time.

by FlyByKnight on Aug 11, 2009 1:34 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Batslap!

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Aug 11, 2009 2:53 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

"I'm slappin you... slappity slap"

I'm like PacMan fightin you silly kids... throw ya Hatton the ring, and get knocked outlike Ricky did.
lol.

by Loot on Aug 11, 2009 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

-99 Godwin

by madiq on Aug 11, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This...

… is a list of guys NOT to borrow money from!

by TDITZ on Aug 11, 2009 3:07 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

UFC merged with WEC = Everyone Wins

The fans, the fighters, the sponsors, Zuffa, everyone wins. Well maybe except Versus and some of the WEC LWs.

The UFC could put on more live events on free tv with the addition of two more weight classes, and on Spike TV they’d reach a lot more people, to say nothing of a future deal with ESPN or ABC.

UFC events would also be more exciting on average with the smaller guys bringing the action, and you’d have very few PPVs where a title wasn’t on the line.

Also, if the UFC wants to invade Mexico, the WEC fighters would be invaluable, as there are lots of top Mexican Americans at BW and FW.

Finally, and most relevant to this article, the better fighters at BW and FW would also be getting the sort of money that’s closer to what their peers in the higher weight classes get, instead of a fraction of that. Yes, sponsors make up a big portion of their salaries, but the sponsors pay a lot more for UFC exposure than anywhere else, and furthermore this is not a lifetime career for any of these guys. Most fighters retire by their early 40s, which is why they better have a decent amount of money saved up by then if they don’t want to start over in a new career when they retire. You could be a top 10 fighter in Featherweight or Bantamweight and still be 3 losses away from working retail. A lot of these guys have families to feed, and just because Zuffa can get away with under-paying them doesn’t make it right.

by Chromium on Aug 11, 2009 4:49 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It is not about getting away with it

It is more about the fact that the WEC as a company does not generate the revenue to pay them too much more.

When the WEC starts making more money, the fighters will too. Within the next 5 years the WEC will be making alot more money I imagine. Hopefully the UFC can continue to push WEC shows on their PPV’s and the WEC gets a better TV deal when the Vs contract expires.

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by Well Read Idiot on Aug 11, 2009 6:22 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

How is Zuffa underpaying them?

They regularly pay the fighters three or four times what they collect at the gate. If anything, they are OVER paying them. I know it sucks to hear that when the WEC guys are so talented and put on such great fights, but the reality is the only reason they are making somewhat decent money is because Zuffa is subsidizing the WEC with UFC profits. If WEC ever had to stand on it’s own, those salaries would get chopped in half (or worse).

by Steve4192 on Aug 11, 2009 7:27 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

They regularly pay the fighters three or four times what they collect at the gate.

I don’t know about this event, but WEC 41 had a live gate of $818,415, and a total payroll of $216,222. That’s a little more than 25%, from where I sit.

UFC 100 had a live gate of $5.1 million, and a total payroll of $1.79 million. That’s 35%.

by madiq on Aug 11, 2009 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

WEC 41 was at Arco Arena, not The Joint.

I agree that Faber deserves a cut of the gate at Arco, but those two Arco shows are complete outliers when compared to the WEC’s usual revenue stream. They average right around $100K for their normal Vegas shows. They typically make $100K at the gate and pay out somewhere between two and four times that amount.

by Steve4192 on Aug 11, 2009 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you're responding to me, nice strawman

I didn’t say that Zuffa was underpaying, I said that they everyone would benefit if they merged the WEC and UFC, including the fighters, who most definitely not getting paid anything close to fighters of comparable ranking in the UFC, but that was not the point of my post at all. Also

I know it sucks to hear that when the WEC guys are so talented and put on such great fights

Who in this entire thread, or anywhere, has said anything approximating that “it sucks to hear” the WEC guys are so talented and put on such great fights? Are you trying to argue it sucks to hear that the WEC make a lot less than their UFC counterparts when they put on awesome fights and have comparable rankings within their respective weight divisions? Do you think maybe you could rephrase that as such? Also,

but the reality is the only reason they are making somewhat decent money is because Zuffa is subsidizing the WEC with UFC profits.

This is both contradictory and untrue. If the WEC had to be subsidized then they inherently wouldn’t be making money. The fact is they are making money, and don’t need to be subsidized by UFC profits.

by Chromium on Aug 11, 2009 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do you know they are making money off the WEC?

by who me on Aug 11, 2009 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The WEC cage is significantly smaller than the UFC one.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Aug 11, 2009 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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