Nick Diaz Pre-Fight Drug Test Problems Might Cancel His Fight With Jay Hieron at Strikeforce: Carano vs Cyborg
by Kid Nate on Aug 10, 2009 5:59 PM EDT
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MMA Mania has the news:
Controversial Strikeforce welterweight Nick Diaz could watch his August 15 title fight against Jay Hieron go up in smoke after missing his scheduled pre-fight drug test on August 7.
The California State Athletic Commission (CSAC) made arrangements with Strikeforce to reschedule Diaz for today (August 10), however, Diaz has yet to arrive at the testing facility.
The CSAC cannot accept a sample any later than this afternoon if it’s to be processed and reported in time for Saturday’s "Carano vs. Cyborg" event. Therefore, unless Diaz submits a sample today, his scheduled bout against Hieron will be scrapped.
From Scott Coker at the Strikeforce press conference:
Caesar Gracie told me Diaz [missed his Aug. 7 drug test because] he was in the mountains training. He's supposed to be on his way (right now) to Los Angeles to take his drug test with the California State Athletic Commission. He has until 3pm to get it done. We're hoping he makes the right decision. [If he does] we should have the results by Thursday. We have a contingency plan in place if necessary. Regardless, Jay Hieron will be fighting on August 15.
Dave Meltzer comments:
"Well, hey listen, listen, I don't have any sympathy for the guy because he went, you know, he went in the LA Times and he bragged that he could beat a test at any time and that he was still doing it and he's the same guy who went before the Nevada State Athletic Commission on the Gomi fight you know when he didn't want to be suspended and told them that he would never do it again.
It was a mistake and then you know he's bragging you know that's like I will grant you that I don't think that smoking pot is that of a big deal, I really don't. Now as far as it being illegal to be on pot while you are fighting, I can certainly understand why that is and that's the rules, but the whole point is that everyone knows what the rules are, you know what I mean?
It's like, if you can want to change the rules you can fight to change the rules and if the rules change, you know, that's fine. But these are the rules that you go by and what a lot of people don't seem to realize is that fighting is not a right, fighting is a privilege and being licensed to fight is a privilege, you know, it's not something that anyone can do because most people shouldn't be allowed to do it...
UPDATE: Loretta Hunt reports that Jesse Taylor has been submitted as a possible replacement if Diaz isn't licensed to compete:
Meanwhile, Jesse Taylor's name has been submitted for approval as a new opponent for Hieron, according to California State Athletic Commission Assistant Executive Officer Bill Douglas. Strikeforce CEO Scott Coker confirmed to Sherdog.com that Taylor is the only fighter that has been presented as a replacement at this time.
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Since they pulled weo*3’s image last time, I’m surprised Nate chose that…
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by jemaleddin on Aug 10, 2009 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the middle finger salute
took it over the line. this one is artsy
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by Kid Nate on Aug 10, 2009 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Artsy-weedsy.
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by jemaleddin on Aug 10, 2009 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is there any chance
Nick and Jay could fight an “exhibition” match without Nick taking the test?
by rzor on Aug 10, 2009 3:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I meant this
in partial jest, considering that Russian dude versus Gegard Mousasi, but I was curious about the regulations surrounding exhibition matches.
by rzor on Aug 10, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So Meltzer commented in Nick Diaz fashion...?
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by Leland Roling on Aug 10, 2009 3:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
ha, i was just gonna say the same thing.
by woooburn on Aug 10, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
its transcribed from his radio show
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by Kid Nate on Aug 10, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But that's how Meltzer said it?
Because it says Dave Meltzer comments.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 10, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you’ve ever listened to Dave Meltzer on his radio show, you’ll know that he speaks like a middle-aged, male valley girl.
by An Old Friend on Aug 10, 2009 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Reading that...
It’s like he’s Nick Diaz, lol.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 10, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don’t F THIS UP DIAZ
I am looking forward to this card.
by DirtyML on Aug 10, 2009 3:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I bought tickets
And was really hoping to see this fight live. Boo.
by gocjeffe on Aug 10, 2009 3:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Diaz needs to up his dosage of medication and quit the weed.
by steveoc24 on Aug 10, 2009 3:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Addiction
If you’re losing a big payday and being publicly embarassed, you probably have a problem.
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by thetakeover on Aug 10, 2009 3:59 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Nate needs to decide if he is a professional fighter or not. That’s really what this comes down to. I love “training” being the excuse for missing the test to begin with. “Sorry, I was too busy training for a fight that I won’t get to actually have if I don’t take the drug test”
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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 10, 2009 4:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
son of a bitch…yes I did
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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 10, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Secret Invasion
In the picture, Diaz looks like a Skrull transforming into a pot plant.
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by thetakeover on Aug 10, 2009 4:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It’s the chin-grooves.
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by jemaleddin on Aug 10, 2009 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This better be some damn good weed Nick.
Keep firing Assholes!
Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead.
by Ubernoober on Aug 10, 2009 4:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
UPDATED...
I updated this with news that Jesse Taylor has had paperwork submitted to the CSAC as a replacement if Diaz can’t compete.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 10, 2009 4:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
See
Alcohol > Weed . . . end of debate
by bignerd on Aug 10, 2009 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Apparently you’ve never smoked the bombchron…
But really, this sucks- I really, really hope Diaz pulls through.
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by SMC on Aug 10, 2009 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Believe it or not I am allergic. I’d probably die of respiratory attack. Yet, I’m ok with making it legal.
by bignerd on Aug 10, 2009 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, we could kill off the weak.
No offense, of course. :-)
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by jemaleddin on Aug 10, 2009 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If I have to watch Jesse Taylor from 40 feet away instead of Nick Diaz, I’m gonna kick out my car window.
BOOSH
by Farthammer on Aug 10, 2009 4:16 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Earlier today, Shawn Tompkins, Heiron’s coach from Xtreme Couture, called Diaz out on his facebook page.
"Don’t be an [expletive], do your drug test. We are coming for that title".
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by Beer Monster on Aug 10, 2009 4:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It’s funny that they misspelled Hieron on the Xtreme Couture page.
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by Beer Monster on Aug 10, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shawn Tompkins is hereby flagged for fighter-bashing.
(I’m gonna get banned for fighter-bashing-bashing-bashing.)
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by jemaleddin on Aug 10, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously... he needs to shut his mouth.
That’s all Tompkins does. He just talks SHIT all day long… it’s like he has nothing better to do than scour the ’Net for people talking shit about Xtreme Couture, then retaliate. The MMA community is already grilling Diaz, why do we have to hear it from Tompkins again and again?
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by Leland Roling on Aug 10, 2009 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He didn’t need to comment on this. But I understand him getting involved in the Kit Cope drama.
by steveoc24 on Aug 10, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tompkins is a crap talker, but in his defense, what Diaz is doing is horrible. He is either ducking or is on drugs. Either way, Hieron has been through a lot these last few weeks to still be putting up with low level garbage like this.
by AlwaysRelaxing on Aug 10, 2009 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I understand that, but it’s getting old. Next thing you know, he’ll call out Vadim when he has no business calling him out.
The odd thing with this situation is that the CSAC already failed. Diaz is circumventing the system by getting the drug test a bit later than he should have gotten it.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 10, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Shawn just has an opening at 3:00 on Tuesdays and hopes that getting his name out will help him fill it.
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by jemaleddin on Aug 10, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good point. Diaz shouldn’t be allowed to fight.
The next thing is, they need to change the loop hole and any fighter who does this needs to automatically be suspended for a year.
by AlwaysRelaxing on Aug 10, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
MMAWeekly is basically saying that the fight is off and Taylor is in vs. Hieron because SF and CSAC have a disagreement on whether or not Diaz should be able to take the test. If the CSAC actually denies Diaz the ability to take the test, that’d be the first right thing they’ve done in a shitty situation.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 10, 2009 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Nick has till 3pm PST, isn’t this sort of premature?
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by Beer Monster on Aug 10, 2009 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My bad, it was 3PM EST. Noon pacific.
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by Beer Monster on Aug 10, 2009 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I read it was 3 PM PST somewhere.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 10, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Meltzer says noon pacific on his writeup.
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by Beer Monster on Aug 10, 2009 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, then Diaz is out.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 10, 2009 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good Riddance.
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by jemaleddin on Aug 10, 2009 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was confusing during the call, some people were saying 3 and some people were saying 12
by Phildo on Aug 10, 2009 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t have a problem with them giving him till today, but if they said today is the final deadline, that’s it.
This people aren’t up to the point of WADA testing where you always have to give them a list of where you’re going to be 24/7/365, so the excuse that he was in the mountains is semi-legitimate. But if he can’t show up after getting the weekend for notice, he shouldn’t be allowed to fight.
by Phildo on Aug 10, 2009 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Nick is out, the CSAC should simply inform Nick they won’t consider a license for 9 months or so. He should not be able to simply come back in another month or two.
by Lynchman on Aug 10, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
should be a year
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by Kid Nate on Aug 10, 2009 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does Anyone Think Shawn Tompkins is Overated as a Trainer
When Joe Rogan pumps up someone, it’s basically gospel to everyone
by The Bronzeville Bully on Aug 10, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Someone, somewhere...
Doesn’t like Strikeforce
by pl4tinum on Aug 10, 2009 4:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Does it start with a “D” and end with an “ana?”
by EnsignFrog on Aug 10, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
What would Lady Di have against Scott Coker?
by argyle on Aug 10, 2009 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think we’ve seen a few disaster cards before. I’d probably say this Strikeforce card has ripped apart more than any card I have seen. It’s sad because the promotion had such an ambitious plan for this event.
by bignerd on Aug 10, 2009 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And without the wherewithal to make it work.
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by jemaleddin on Aug 10, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know any promotion who could make this situation work. Just about every fighter’s sins have bubbled up to ruin this card. Only thing left is Gina and Cyborg not making weight.
by bignerd on Aug 10, 2009 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, not banking on a guy like Nick Diaz is a good start…
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by jemaleddin on Aug 10, 2009 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He has come through just fine for the promotion in the last few events. Every promotion employs a few bad apples and you have to take the bad with the good. They didn’t exactly put the card together banking on Diaz. His fight has gained importance as the other fights fell into the trash. I’m really not sure why Strikeforce management deserves to get bashed for this card?
by bignerd on Aug 10, 2009 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
UFC 85 is the only one that comes close.
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by Beer Monster on Aug 10, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m a relative noob. Gimme the skinny, if you could, sir.
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by Rundownloser on Aug 10, 2009 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Randleman fell down and went boom, and couldn’t fight. Had to cancel the main event.
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by Beer Monster on Aug 10, 2009 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Main event of Kevin of Kevin Randleman versus Pedro Rizzo. Randleman bonks his head backstage while warming up and gets a concussion. Main event gets scrubbed at the last minute. Fans don’t get informed until the main event is supposed to start. Tedd Williams versus Steve Judson winds up being the final fight of the night.
by Steve4192 on Aug 10, 2009 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know, getting to see The Splendid Splinter in a pro MMA fight would be pretty sweet, especially considering he would have had to have been in his 70’s by then.
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by ufc4 on Aug 10, 2009 5:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Between this and the Fedor deal, this card has lost a ton of momentum.
Most of the call was about Nick.
by Lynchman on Aug 10, 2009 4:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Meltzer:
he California State Athletic Commission has just offically approved Jesse Taylor vs. Jay Hieron as the replacment match with Nick Diaz not getting licensed for Saturday night’s Strikefore event at the HP Pavilion and on Showtime.
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by Beer Monster on Aug 10, 2009 4:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nick Diaz vs. Joe Riggs <> Jesse Taylor vs. Jay Hieron
Damnit Diaz. Any news if it will be for the title?
by Nick Thomas on Aug 10, 2009 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is believed at this time it will be a three round fight, and not a championship fight as scheduled. We will update later if this is not correct.
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by Beer Monster on Aug 10, 2009 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Three round fight, for now
by The Bronzeville Bully on Aug 10, 2009 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just hope they keep it on the main card, so Jay doesn’t get screwed, again.
by Phildo on Aug 10, 2009 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Obviously I want to see Diaz fight,
but I wouldn’t be mad at Taylor as a replacement.
MC Pee Pants is back in my good book after fighting for DREAM and not being a complete douche.
by Chris Nelson on Aug 10, 2009 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 10, 2009 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Wrestler vs. wrestler doesn’t sound extremely appealing though. I’d rather see Werdum/Kyle on the main card now.
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by Beer Monster on Aug 10, 2009 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed. Another DREAM/Strikeforce fighter to the rescue, like Ishida.
=)
by MMASuPreMaCy on Aug 10, 2009 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did they test Jesse’s sample for weed in his alcohol stream?
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by jemaleddin on Aug 10, 2009 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
nice!
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by MMArazorback on Aug 10, 2009 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Diaz’s license expired on July 25th, and because all fighters who have prior drug violations have to pass a test regarding the specific drug in order to get a new license, Diaz had to pass a test for marijuana before he could be licensed.
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by Beer Monster on Aug 10, 2009 4:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think Jay might be regretting not taking that UFC deal.
by The Bronzeville Bully on Aug 10, 2009 4:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
More importantly
Was he told by anyone
by pl4tinum on Aug 10, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yall are on fire today!
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by MMArazorback on Aug 10, 2009 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He said on the conference call that he was, but he couldn’t turn down a title fight………
by Phildo on Aug 10, 2009 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hahahahahahaahahahahaha...
Oh, sorry. It’s really kind of sad. Except for the part about being really funny…
Poor Jay.
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by jemaleddin on Aug 10, 2009 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Zuffa didnt offer a deal because he already signed with EA…
So if he’s regretting anything it would be regretting that he signed with EA.
by mmalogic on Aug 10, 2009 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay. Thanks. Also, speaking of that, I read from Gross (I know how you feel bout him, logic) that that EA deal is around 5,000 to 15,000. Does not sound like a lot or worth it to sign.
by The Bronzeville Bully on Aug 10, 2009 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah fighters in the UFC undisputed got around 30k-85k each in sponsorship money… and that was just for the first release. In the next release UFC fighters will be making 3 times that because of its success and volume.
by mmalogic on Aug 10, 2009 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
thats a good piece of info.
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by Loot on Aug 10, 2009 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m disgusted, that’s all I can say.
You don't look like a Tanaka.
by spectaa on Aug 10, 2009 4:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
No biggie
Everyone in here is automatically assuming that Nick is smoking pot again. The guy is late for his test! Does that make him guilty of something right off the bat?! Even if he DOES test positive for THC, it’s a DEPRESSANT. How can anyone argue that a depressant is a performance enhancing drug? It’s a joke. The main problem with these tests are that they only show that the substance HAS been present in the fighter’s system. It does not prove in any way that Diaz will be high at the time of the fight. Alcohol is way worse than marijuana, and fighters are allowed to get hammered drunk when they aren’t fighting. Don’t make much sense to me.
by Crucifix on Aug 10, 2009 4:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
None of that matters.
What matters is that if you want to fight you need to take and pass the test.
Nick Diaz, by not taking the test (for whatever reason), is screwing over himself, his opponent, the fans, and the promotion. And that sucks.
by Phildo on Aug 10, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes it does
You see it that way, I see the testing system as being flawed. You don’t think it matters, and I know that it does.
by Crucifix on Aug 10, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It doesn’t matter if the testing system is flawed, it exists, and he has to deal with it.
If he doesn’t like the system, he has the same 2 choice every other person in this country has. Change the system, or find a new job.
by Phildo on Aug 10, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hear they hold fights in Japan. Wink wink, Josh Barnett, nudge, nudge.
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by jemaleddin on Aug 10, 2009 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the company you work for has a policy you don’t agree with, you CAN try to fight the policy, but until it’s officially changed, you abide by it. If Diaz is a professional fighter, he needs to abide by the rules laid down by his employer. If he fails to do so, the employer has the right to punish him.
So while I agree that weed probably won’t help you in a fight, and I personally think it should be legal, I do NOT think anything you said excuses Nicks behavior. He could spearhead the movement to legalize weed for all I care, as long as he meets his obligations to his employer, and to the fans who have paid money to see him.
This isn’t about legalizing pot or whether or not pot helps/hinders in an MMA fight. Don’t try to change the subject.
by Shaun32887 on Aug 10, 2009 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
His employer (strikeforce) doesn’t set the policies so your first part doesn’t make sense?
as for the rest, Diaz has a legit medical condition that he needs to smoke weed for….he quits smoking before fights to abide by the “rules”…
by Reaser16 on Aug 10, 2009 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He needs a license to fight, and therefore ,since he chose to be a professional fighter, he needs to do whatever is necessary to get that license.
People give up things for their jobs. I can’t live anywhere that doesn’t have a biomedical facility nearby, surgeons can’t do anything that would jeopardize their hands, and in this case, a professional fighter can’t fail a drug test.
If he has a “legit” medical condition, then it’s up to him to make sure that the people prescribing the medicine for his condition have an agreement with the CSAC to avoid situations like this. Once again, this is NOT a matter of whether weed should be legal or not, it’s a matter of personal responsibility.
by Shaun32887 on Aug 10, 2009 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn’t say anything about whether weed should be legal or not…
and he for sure has a legit condition, no if about it.
by Reaser16 on Aug 10, 2009 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
His legit condition doesn’t mean he doesn’t have to obey the rules.
The Commission says he needs to pass a drug test to fight, then he needs to pass a drug test to fight.
by Phildo on Aug 10, 2009 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
People who have a legit reason for steroids
…still can’t use. A legit reason for weed in a guy healthy enough for prize-fighting? Bullllllllllshit.
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by jemaleddin on Aug 10, 2009 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
listen, I smoke pot. I like it…. A lot.
But c’mon, saying that since its a depressant and wont enhance his performance means thats it’s somehow ok, is crazy talk!
It’s against the rules. Period.
This is 100% Nick’s fault.
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by MMArazorback on Aug 10, 2009 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because it’s illegal in the United States, that’s why.
Secondly, everyone assumes it’s POT because he already tested positive before and he stated in a interview that he can beat the test using cleansers. Sure, he might just be late, but how can you expect people to actually not think he’s on weed right now.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 10, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Especially since he SAID that he's still smoking pot.
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by jemaleddin on Aug 10, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i can’t decide if this is sarcasm or not.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 10, 2009 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s not – he says that he’s smoking pot. Every time somebody sticks a mic in his face he says it. Why would we think he’s not smoking pot when he keep remind us that he smokes pot?
But you’re right – it could be heroin with that physique of his…
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by jemaleddin on Aug 10, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is true. He does say it every time, so I’m assuming most people would put 2 and 2 together.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 10, 2009 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not Crucifix.
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by jemaleddin on Aug 10, 2009 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly. How can it not be pot? He talks to the CSAC, tells them about his agreement with Garcia. Asks for a legal opinion. They come back and say nope, sorry…you gotta pass a weed test. And…they don’t hear from him after that. He’s not just late for a test. He’s not even in contact with the CSAC or his promoter. 1+1=2 here.
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by Beer Monster on Aug 10, 2009 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
1. In most mandatory drug testing scenarios, a missed test is almost always considered a failed test.
2. Weed is not a depressant. It is a hallucinogen.
by Steve4192 on Aug 10, 2009 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well the good news is… if it is 3 rounds, maybe they can move Werdum vs. Kyle to the main card?
by Nick Thomas on Aug 10, 2009 4:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That’s what I’m saying.
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by Beer Monster on Aug 10, 2009 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, because Werdum against a 205’er who only wins fights when he eye-gouges or nut-kicks is going to be an awesome show…
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by jemaleddin on Aug 10, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
More fights on TV is never a bad thing, even if you don’t like the matchup.
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by Beer Monster on Aug 10, 2009 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just don’t like Mike Kyle – flag me for fighter-bashing, but the guy fights dirty and doesn’t deserve to be on TV.
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by jemaleddin on Aug 10, 2009 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can’t really flag you when those events actually happened…
Fighting dirty = Frank Mir fight.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 10, 2009 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So let’s say, hypothetically, that Fedor appeared in the vagina monologues. Or that I thought he was. Would I be within my rights to say….
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by jemaleddin on Aug 10, 2009 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If I read one more person arguing that marijuana should be ok, and not that as long as it’s on the banned list a fighter should be smart enough to avoid it, then I am kicking out my car window.
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by Farthammer on Aug 10, 2009 4:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
nice
You say that pot is illegal, well aren’t people innocent until proven guilty as well?
P.S. Marijuana should be ok.
by Crucifix on Aug 10, 2009 4:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don’t care if it should be ok.
He’s guilty of not taking the test.
by Phildo on Aug 10, 2009 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
People who say that they smoke pot
…should be taken at their word.
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by jemaleddin on Aug 10, 2009 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
P.S. Marijuana isn't legally OK, so you have to adhere to that.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 10, 2009 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly
guilty of not taking the test. NOT guilty of having a controlled substance in his system
by Crucifix on Aug 10, 2009 4:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Your point?
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by Beer Monster on Aug 10, 2009 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m sensing that his point is that his name is Nicholas Diaz and years of pot-smoking have kept him from making an argument with more than 3 connected points unless one of them is “You know what I’m saying? Stockon’s on the map, son!”
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by jemaleddin on Aug 10, 2009 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
209!!!
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by Beer Monster on Aug 10, 2009 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
WORD!!!
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by jemaleddin on Aug 10, 2009 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hommie!
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by MMArazorback on Aug 10, 2009 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
AWWWWW YEAH BOYEEEE!
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by jemaleddin on Aug 10, 2009 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So he’s guilty of not fighting this weekend and screwing everyone over that I mentioned above.
by Phildo on Aug 10, 2009 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, but in order to fight, he needs to PASS A DRUG TEST.
So, since both scenarios (failing the drug test OR not taking the drug test ) end with him NOT PASSING A DRUG TEST, he receives the same treatment.
Again, we’re not looking at whether or not whether or not he smokes weed, we’re looking at the failed obligation to pass a drug test.
by Shaun32887 on Aug 10, 2009 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This fight is not happening because Diaz didnt want to take the test… he cycles off the weed on a certain schedule but he gone fucked up because he needed to take the test earlier than he thought.
So instead of taking the chance of getting caught and then not being able to fight for a whole year he just decided not to take the test. His people supported his decision not to take the test and risk getting banned for a minimum of a year.
by mmalogic on Aug 10, 2009 5:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
So, twice in a row a guy screwed up because he didn’t know when license expired. Geniuses.
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by Beer Monster on Aug 10, 2009 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't {expletive} with CSAC
For all the bashing they receive they catch a lot of cheaters.
by bignerd on Aug 10, 2009 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
By accident, in these 2 cases.
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by Beer Monster on Aug 10, 2009 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is it an accident?
In both instances the fighters were caught off guard by the test (not sure what Nick’ excuse is after seeing what happened with Barnett).
I’m inclined to believe CSAC probably knew both were cheating the test and used the loophole to their advantage. It doesn’t sound like CSAC sent a letter out 2 months prior to the license expiration, warning them of a looming test.
by bignerd on Aug 10, 2009 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Their licenses both expired. There were no loopholes. They had to be tested to get their license back. You’re right about them not warning fighters, but it’s still the fighter’s fault…nothing proactive is being done by the commission in these cases.
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by Beer Monster on Aug 10, 2009 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pot isn't cheating.
It is illegal, there’s no denying that, but it isn’t a PED, so how can it be cheating if there’s no fighting benefit to taking it?
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by themachiavellian on Aug 10, 2009 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Don’t start this again. Please?
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by Beer Monster on Aug 10, 2009 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure, he’s cheating the test, not MMA. Anyone at my place of work gets fired if weed shows up in a drug test. It’s a reality everyone is aware of even if there is a disagreement.
by bignerd on Aug 10, 2009 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess the story is that Armando Garcia allowed him to just test for weed on fight night…because he has a legal medical perscription to use it. The new commissioner said that old agreement is out the window, so Diaz didn’t have enough time to cycle off before the test a week out from the fight. Seems like somebody could have figured that this was going to happen, or at least should have asked the CSAC if the old agreement that Diaz had with Garcia would still stand.
He fought Shamrock in CA on April 9th…what procedure was followed for that fight?
by gocjeffe on Aug 10, 2009 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m confused about it, because it seems like 2 separate issues – his fight-night deal with Garcia, and his expired license.
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by Beer Monster on Aug 10, 2009 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Diaz is smart to not take the test…it’s not his fault he has a legit condition and needs to smoke weed (many of us go through the same problem, its terrible and he’s an inspiration to us all)…
why risk suspension just to fight Jay Heiron for a meaningless title in the world of mma??? He could end up fighting on the Fedor card instead against probably a better opponent which would work out for him better (more viewers) and it’ll still probably be for the SF WW title whenever he fights next…
oh well, still wish he was fighting this weekend but I also wish he was back in the UFC and neither is happening (right now) so I’ll just enjoy waiting to see if Gina and Cyborg can make weight and I’ll listen to the SF conference calls again and laugh at how much a joke they are…
by Reaser16 on Aug 10, 2009 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL if they dont make weight this will be the biggest FAIL in MMA history… Im talking “yamma” proportions.
by mmalogic on Aug 10, 2009 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
ya, it would be funny…
I also don’t like how they say its the two best women in the sport fighting when its clearly not
by Reaser16 on Aug 10, 2009 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
@mmalogic: it doesn't quite work like that
Diaz is taking a test to get a license, not a pre-fight or post-fight test. If he failed the test than he just wouldn’t get a license in California for a while. It’s kind of a loophole. If there was at least a 50% chance he would have passed, he should have taken the damn thing. If he was denied a license he still could have gotten one for the next Showtime event.
by Chromium on Aug 10, 2009 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Being able to participate in the next event is questionable. Technically it’s up to CSAC’s discretion to allow Diaz to reapply for his license. A failed drug test doesn’t help his cause.
by bignerd on Aug 10, 2009 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he doesn’t take the test he should be okay if Strikeforce wants to slot him on the next card.
by Sokonojudo on Aug 10, 2009 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i’m sure the commission could decide that they will not give him a license for x amount of time if they feel like it.
by Phildo on Aug 10, 2009 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They have to have a reason. They can’t suddenly say, Hey we THINK you’re on something but we have no proof so you’re suspended anyways.
by Sokonojudo on Aug 10, 2009 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s not suspended, he doesn’t have a license. I’m sure they could come up with a variety of reasons to not issue him a license.
by Phildo on Aug 10, 2009 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why would they?
If he passes a drug test for the next event (outside of California I mean), and doesn’t say anything stupid like how he’s cheating the system, then an athletic commission that denies Diaz a license could be risking a lawsuit. He didn’t fail a drug test, he just didn’t show up to one. Yes we all know Diaz is probably a major-league pot-head, but without hard evidence of doping within the last year, there’s no legal standard by which another athletic commission could deny him a license.
by Chromium on Aug 11, 2009 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
actually it does work like that…
you wont be “suspended” but you wont get a license for a year and all the commissions in the states usually follow suit. so in essence it is a “suspension” without it being on your record.
The bottom line is Nick and his team decided it would be much better not taking this chance and simply fighting within the next few months than being shelved.
by mmalogic on Aug 10, 2009 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, it doesn't
The other states’ respective athletic commissions are free to make their own decisions on this and their is no obligatory blanket ban, nor would he be penalized in any way for fighting oversees or in a place without an athletic commission. After Barnett was denied a license to fight, Nevada State Athletic Commission executive director Keith Kizer said, “Anyone can apply, but I do know how the Commissioners would vote on any specific application.”
by Chromium on Aug 11, 2009 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
First, Alistair Overeem dropped out of his title defense against Fabricio Werdum because he hurt his hand in a bar brawl. Then Joe Riggs suffered from a reaction to some medication and was unable to fight Nick Diaz for the open welterweight belt. Then, Josh Thomson pulled out of his lightweight title unification fight against Gilbert Melendez due to injury. Now, Nick Diaz has missed his drug test and will be replaced by Jesse Taylor. I was really looking foward to this card but I dont even know if I will be watching it.
by metaldome on Aug 10, 2009 5:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Alistair doesn’t want to be tested in competition…
by mmalogic on Aug 10, 2009 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Color me unsurprised.
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by Beer Monster on Aug 10, 2009 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Alistair was tested when he won the belt versus Buentello.
by Steve4192 on Aug 10, 2009 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
21 months ago.
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by Beer Monster on Aug 10, 2009 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, as long as Ishida vs. Melendez goes through, I’ll be happy. Melendez is cool, and Ishida earned a lifetime of good will from me for this:
by JRN on Aug 10, 2009 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cali Commission Does Not Appear to be Cleaned UP
The promoter of a mixed martial arts card March 7 in Tulare, Calif., confirmed Friday that one of the competitors was allowed to fight despite testing positive for Hepatitis C and having no test results on file for HIV.
by The Bronzeville Bully on Aug 10, 2009 5:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Gracie told Sherdog.com Saturday that Diaz was caught off-guard by what he calls a change in policy. According to Gracie, former CSAC Executive Officer Armando Garcia came to an agreement with the coach and fighter over a year ago that Diaz would be tested for marijuana, as well as all other non-approved substances, only on the nights of his scheduled bouts.
Gracie said Diaz has a legal medical prescription for marijuana to treat a hyperactivity disorder and that Garcia’s arrangement with the fighter allowed Diaz a two-week window to flush the drug out of his system.
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by Johpin on Aug 10, 2009 5:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Isn’t that illegal, to tip off a drug test? Weird
by Sokonojudo on Aug 10, 2009 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hyperactivity disorder? How do I get one of those?
by grb on Aug 10, 2009 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You say you have one.
Worked for damn near everyone in high school anyway
by Shaun32887 on Aug 10, 2009 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
move out here to CA. You can find doctors to prescribe you weed for damn near anything.
BOOSH
by Farthammer on Aug 10, 2009 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have a script for my restless penis syndrome. Thanks, California!
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by jemaleddin on Aug 10, 2009 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well then let’s just throw all the rules out the window for Nick fucking Diaz. He only gets drug tested on fight night AND doesn’t need to be licensed. While we’re at it why don’t we let
him wear a helmet during the fight.
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by ufc4 on Aug 10, 2009 6:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
MMA Weekly is saying Diaz is out and Taylor is officially replacing him.
http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/dailynews.asp?articleid=9345&zoneid=2
by Discman2 on Aug 10, 2009 5:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think Taylor is still a pretty decent fight
I'm like PacMan fightin you silly kids... throw ya Hatton the ring, and get knocked outlike Ricky did.
lol.
by Loot on Aug 10, 2009 6:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This sucks
I love Nick Diaz and all this seems kind of wild for a guy who has never “missed a test” before but chose to fail one with weed in him.
Fishiness
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by rockied on Aug 10, 2009 6:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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by MMASuPreMaCy on Aug 10, 2009 6:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
so is this the 10th version of this announcement?
by mmalogic on Aug 10, 2009 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
They use everyone else’s nickname but they can’t use Ishida’s? THAT’S RACIST!
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by Beer Monster on Aug 10, 2009 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It would be hilarious
if diaz “killed” strikeforce in exactly the same way as barnett did affliction
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by Paynuss on Aug 10, 2009 10:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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