Back to Japan: Josh Barnett Expected to Fight in Sengoku in November
Zach Arnold translates the news and the reaction of the Sengoku brass to Barnett's test results in California:
Today was the heat-up press conference for the 8/2 Saitama Super Arena show and the main topic in the media ended up being… Josh Barnett and his failed drug test in California. Barnett is expected to fight for Sengoku on 11/7 in Tokyo at Ryogoku Kokugikan, the same show that Satoshi Ishii is expected to make his MMA debut on.
At the press conference, Takahiro Kokuho (the main boss of Sengoku) said that he was skeptical about what happened with Barnett’s test result in California given the problems J-ROCK had in California with Kazuhiro Nakamura testing positive for marijuana and what he deemed a lack of transprency with the way drug testing is handled in California. Kokuho said that he wants Sengoku to be the ’standard bearer’ for anti-doping practices in Japanese MMA with the help of the JADA (Japan Anti-Doping Agency) and WADA (World Anti-Doping Agency).
This is fair enough. As much as I am utterly appalled by Barnett's refusal to fess up to using performance enhancing drugs -- and I'm sorry dude, but the third strike really is an out -- I'm glad there is still a Japanese market where Josh can fight.
I'm also very happy that World Victory Road imposes drug tests. I really like the way they are building that organization, its a strong and welcome contrast to DREAM and PRIDE before them.I don't expect American fans to be pleased with their decision to bring back Barnett, but it's WVR's ability to re-establish the credibility and popularity of MMA in Japan that matters to me.
If Barnett can pass their tests, then I'll be happy to watch him fight again. But if he wants to regain my respect, he'll have to man up and admit that he's done wrong.
I'm also hoping that Arnold is correct that the Japanese media is giving this story serious coverage.
I share World Victory Road's skepticism about the CSAC. While Bill Douglas' new regime has presumably improved upon the old disgraced Armando Garcia regime -- and I very much applaud their shrewdness in surprising a repeat offender like Barnett -- they still have a lot of work to do to restore their damaged credibility. Don't forget that the old CSAC testing regime was so bad that Douglas let his first shows as commissioner go without testing rather than rely on the patently awful system.
Cage Potato has an absolutely great history of steroids in MMA and one of the key findings was that the CSAC far and away leads in steroid busts (and this doesn't even touch on their busts for other controlled substances:
Steroid busts by commission:
NSAC: 8
CSAC: 20
UFC's independent testing: 2
There's a reason that the UFC hasn't returned to California in a long time. Hopefully the Douglas regime can re-establish their credibility. In my opinion, the Barnett bust went a long way towards that.
Meltzer has more on Barnett and the CSAC:
On June 25, Barnett became the first MMA fighter tested out of competition in California after an amendment to an existing bylaw was enacted. Barnett had failed two steroid tests in Nevada while fighting for the UFC, one in 2001 and another in 2002.
The steroid for which Barnett tested positive usually clears the system in 10 days, so under the old procedures, had Barnett been tested on Aug. 1, it was highly unlikely the metabolite would have shown up. Barnett has denied ingesting anything illegal, but also said that he believes he does know why he tested positive and has not complained about the commission procedures.
California policy has been to issue a one-year license suspension for steroid test positives. License suspensions are recognized by all U.S. commission states. Because Barnett wasn’t licensed, he is not on the suspended list. However, he will not be allowed to apply for a license in California for one year. Other states are at their own discretion as to whether to license him during the year.
The one possibility I will grant Barnett is that its entirely possible that he took an over the counter supplement that contained steroids. The evidence is so compelling that the supplement market is deeply tainted with illegal substances that the FDA has issued a warning. But Barnett is a professional and should know better.
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Not to defend Barnett in the least – I’m with you on the three strikes – but to point out the FDA warning and then say he should know better is a bit of a stretch. The FDA warning was that some supplements have unlisted illegal substances in them, which would make it hard for Barnett, or anyone else, to know they are there, unless they have the resources to break down the chemical compounds at their fingertips.
by McEwen on Aug 1, 2009 11:05 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It isn’t a stretch at all. These fighters are warned about over-the-counter drugs, and the statistics in the United States are readily available. If there is any doubt by the fighters, they should have the supplements tested. If they can’t afford that… it’s pretty simple. Don’t fucking take the supplements.
This was the same argument Sherk tried to use, and guess what… it SHOULD have failed and it did fail. The information is available.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 1, 2009 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m pretty uninitiated in the world of supplements – when the FDA says the illegal substances aren’t listed in the ingredients of the supplement, is there an easy and obvious way to find out what is in there, or would it just be obvious to someone who knew what they were doing?
by McEwen on Aug 1, 2009 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, there isn’t… other than word on the street and there are lists of supplements that have posted positives on athletes. But there are some supplements that are over-the-counter that are OBVIOUSLY going to test you positive. It’s up to these guys to figure that out. Sherk was piling supplements into his mouth, and then tried to act oblivious to what was going on. He should have tested his supplements, and he stated it cost too much. Don’t take them then.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 1, 2009 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can take stuff from companies that are legitimate and have never been accused proven to make dirty supplements.
Or, you can not do what Bigfoot silva did. You know, the old, “I didn’t take boldenone, I took Novadex, another drug that does everything that Boldenone does, and sometimes causes you to test positive for boldenone.” A good tip would be to not take that drug.
by Phildo on Aug 1, 2009 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or you can do what JC Romero did...
And check with your lawyer and union about a product, get an ok, then double check with the supplier, and get assurance from them that it’s ok. Then get popped and suspended.
Even these suppliers are clueless half the time. My advice? Take protein and maybe creatine if you’re crazy. This other stuff they have out there is insane.
BOOSH
by Farthammer on Aug 1, 2009 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
These guys are pros.
I don’t care if it was over the counter or over the moon. They know what they can and can’t take. It is their job. I feel sorry for none of these guys. If I get drunk off cough medicine and drive, it will be my ass in jail.
I am a MLB fan, so I have seen lots of this crap for years now. And in all of the cases the only one I think I truly believe is Bonds….just kidding. I would say Sherk seems the most compelling. But he can’t prove it so he is guilty too.
Goodbye Barnett and your #2 over rated butt.
by Riney on Aug 1, 2009 11:10 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Where are these otc supplements that have steroids in them? I am tired of spending hundreds of dollars, when I can just go to GNC and spend 39.99.
This of course, is a joke.
If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.
by BJJDenver on Aug 1, 2009 11:13 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
^This, except I’m not joking. :P
GSP: I pulled my groin.
Greg Jackson: I don't care Georges! HIT HIM WITH YOUR GROIN!
by xFenixKnightx on Aug 1, 2009 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously, does Muscletech have a pile of steroids over in the corner of their factory and some schlep just threw some in? I have always had a problem with this excuse, though I do realize there are some substances that can cause a false positive. I still don’t like that being used, because I feel these guys should be held responsible for anything they put into their bodies. I would like to see the ACs get together and keep a list of approved/tested supplements that are ok to take, along the lines of what the NFL does.
If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.
by BJJDenver on Aug 1, 2009 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
One of the problems when I researched Sherk’s nandrolone positive on my old site was that Nandrolone contamination can actually occur in samples after the urine test has been taken. It was actually concentrated on in a study overseas. So, there are some crazy things that can happen.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 1, 2009 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
http://www.cbc.ca/consumer/story/2009/07/29/supplements-steroids.html
TREN-Xtreme, MASS Xtreme and six others.
by McEwen on Aug 1, 2009 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks, interesting.
I don’t want anything named TRAN-extreme, lol.
If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.
by BJJDenver on Aug 1, 2009 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And I guess my view is, if I am in the microscopic % of people that are pro athletes, i would be incredibly careful with what I put in my body.
If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.
by BJJDenver on Aug 1, 2009 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree, but if there are substances in a supplement that aren’t on a label, that would make it pretty hard to avoid. I’ve never touched a supplement, so I have no idea if there would be some obvious “warning” substances, or if someone would take these and then be surprised at failing a test.
by McEwen on Aug 1, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then take stuff that the NFL says is OK, or take stuff WADA says is OK, or don’t take anything.
by Phildo on Aug 1, 2009 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's OK in Japan because
They say it’s OK…

But in all seriousness, Josh Barnett is a grown man and a Professional Fighter. So, he has no excuse for his behavior. Screw the skepticism three strikes and you’re out…
"He built his whole reputation (as a) waffle house chef. They've been serving him up ham and eggs with a side of canned tomatoes." - Don Frye on Fedor Emelianenko
by Deo Wade on Aug 1, 2009 11:21 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m very disappointed in Sengoku.
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by subo on Aug 1, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Japanese MMA is a joke. There is no other way to say it. To allow a guy who has been busted 3 times to be on your show so quickly after a drug bust is pathetic.
We all know Barnett will be on roids for this fight.
It is sad too, because there are some good athletes who compete in Japan. But this garbage takes away most of their credibility.
by AlwaysRelaxing on Aug 1, 2009 11:27 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Translation of the Sengoku statement: “America is bad because they test to catch athletes, rather than test to show our integrity while keeping any positives we want out of the public”
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Aug 1, 2009 11:28 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
If they actually do WADA testing, Barnett will fail if it is at all random.. which it won’t be. So, good luck to Josh fighting in Sengoku.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 1, 2009 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes. Yes. Yes.
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by subo on Aug 1, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am well aware of a lot of the problems with the old CSAC regime. But I find it really odd how people always point to a high number of busts as proof that they had problems.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 1, 2009 11:32 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Unbelievably, the old regime still used Quest Diagnostics, a well-respected lab, for steroid tests. The whole problem was the hand-off of the samples, etc. Interestingly enough, I bet you all of those tests were legit.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 1, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah...
I have family that works for Quest, my last two job related piss tests were done in Quest labs. It’s a legit place. I just find it funny that people are always like “they popped more people than Nevada…obviously something is up” when MAYBE Nevada needs to beef up their testing a little bit.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 1, 2009 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very little substance to this story. Kokuho only said that Barnett was a possibiliy for November and that they would like him to pass such tests. Really, this is just damage control and putting the feelers out for public and media reaction to the story. They want to use Barnett, but want to gauge reaction first, just as they did with Misaki.
It’s all about appearances. After all, Sengoku is led by the same man who vehemently denied Kazuhiro Nakamura smoked marijuana and that the CSAC was hiding something because Nakamura “doesn’t even smoke cigarettes.”
by Jordan Breen on Aug 1, 2009 11:35 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Good point. I can see this totally as a way to gauge the public reaction along with the media.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 1, 2009 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't smoke cigarettes but...
oh fuck…nevermind.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 1, 2009 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
hahaha
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by subo on Aug 1, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Beat me to it.
I haven’t smoked a cigarette since I first tried one as a little kid, but ye olde bong is different story entirely.
by Steve4192 on Aug 1, 2009 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The thing that bothers me about the tainted supplement defense is that we are supposed to believe that (1) Barnett would never be stupid enough to do steroids, yet (2) he’s stupid enough to put a random supplement into his body less than a month out from the biggest and most lucrative fight of his career (he had to have taken it less than 10 days from testing). I’m trying to picture Barnett surfing body building websites and ordering a supplement that he sees in pop-up ads or strolling down the aisle of a GNC and randomly grabbing stuff off the shelf because he likes the label. This is someone who is not only a veteran fighter, he also manages fighters. Cheating I can forgive, but insulting my intelligence? Never.
by Jahbulon on Aug 1, 2009 11:54 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I have a problem with these stats.
Steroid busts by commission:
NSAC: 8
CSAC: 20
UFC’s independent testing: 2
How many events in Cali compared to Vegas.
I know one guy who better not fight in Cali.
Well actually 21 guys.
Maybe a little home cooking for guys in Vegas?
by E.Nightmare on Aug 1, 2009 12:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
how much of a competitive edge do these steroids actually give someone? I mean has anyone ever fought someone on steroids and witnessed some ungodly strength that is inhumanely possible? does it give you the equivalent in bonus power that barry bonds got in hitting home runs?
by pandaboy99 on Aug 1, 2009 12:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes.Other wise why would so many athletes take them.Imagine how much harder you could hit,or how much easier it would be to take someone down and hold them there.Its a major advantage.The only thing it may not give you an advantage in is cardio.
by E.Nightmare on Aug 1, 2009 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it’s not just power, that’s the thing people miss about steroids because the only names that come out in baseball are the power hitters.
It’s not easy to get up and play baseball for 162 games and log as many miles traveling as they do in the short time they do it. It isn’t easy to go into the gym and (literally) get your ass kicked every day when training for a fight. The steroids don’t just make your muscles bigger, they make them recover more quickly, and allow you to train more.
by Phildo on Aug 1, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
For sure they make a difference
Faster recovery time, more strength, more speed…I have been around enough juicers in my life to see what they can do. I had a friend in High School who weighed 175 and was squatting 405 no problem.
BOOSH
by Farthammer on Aug 1, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
thats pretty awesome.. i wonder how fedor would fight if he was on steroids
by pandaboy99 on Aug 1, 2009 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Most likely the same way he has always been…take that as you will.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Aug 1, 2009 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
“I’m glad there is still a Japanese market where Josh can fight.”
Yeah, it’s always great when cheaters get to go on doing whatever the fuck they want and be rewarded for it.
Frankly, it’s AWESOME.
Also: SO tired of this bullshit about supplements. Every time somebody pops positive and claims it was tainted supplements, you’ll note that it’s somebody who we have no reason to believe. Sean Sherk? Josh Barnett? How gullible do they think we are?
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by jemaleddin on Aug 1, 2009 1:57 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
To be fair, it’s not like professional athletes have an interest in what goes into their bodies – you know, that thing they make their living with.
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by subo on Aug 1, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Indeed.
I mean, it’s not like they carefully manage and research their nutrition or anything. Most just pop pills at random, I hear.
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by jemaleddin on Aug 1, 2009 3:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
so gullible the FDA fell for it
and issued a warning.
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by Kid Nate on Aug 1, 2009 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
More smoke, no actual fire.
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by jemaleddin on Aug 1, 2009 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course Barnett won't admit it...
…even though both samples came back positive.
He didn’t expect random drug testing.
He’s embarrassed he got caught….AGAIN.
Steroid that clears the system in 10 days? Cool, I’ll cycle off 2 weeks before the fight even though I was roided up the other 16 weeks. They’ll never know.
WADA is legit, but testing will be meaningless if it isn’t random in Josh case.
He’s a great fighter, very smart guy.
His intelligence got to him, because he thought he could beat the system.
by MickDawg on Aug 1, 2009 2:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, if these athletes made more money, I’d hold them to this standard:
Gyms should do in-house testing of everyone that trained there, so that if they were taking supplements that yielded false positives, they’d know in advance of any fight. Plus, if the commission popped them for dirty piss, they’d have clean test records to submit to the commission to demonstrate possible sample contamination.
Of course, it could be argued that a camp working too closely with doctors and medical professionals might make it easy to create and consume anabolic agents that wouldn’t show up on tests, but such things could happen anyway. Even still, it would probably make sense for all of the big camps to do this kind of thing in-house, so as to prevent its fighters — the cheaters and the non-cheaters alike — from testing positive.
by madiq on Aug 1, 2009 4:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
the answer on this is the acs, I’m mainly looking at the ABC as a group, or if someone like WAMMA actually wanted to be useful instead of being a bunch of idiots .
Someone should be figuring out what supplements are made by people who are not scumbags and don’t happen to have containers of illegal substances laying around that can be accidentally spilled into a supplement.
by Phildo on Aug 2, 2009 1:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Isn’t there some kind of MMA Fighters’ Advocacy group that could do it?
by madiq on Aug 2, 2009 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Since he commands such a high price tag
Shouldn’t he be buying custom protein and shakes? They sell them priced low enough that regular guys can do it, why not him? Then you’ve got a pretty solid source to blame and no ambiguity.
by asa on Aug 3, 2009 4:47 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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