More Details on the UFC Sponsorship Racket

From the Wrestling Observer Newsletter via MMA Payout:
The UFC is now charging prospective sponsors a $100,000 fee for the right to sponsor fighters that appear on UFC broadcasts for a six month period. This eliminates all the small-time sponsors because they may be able to pay $1,000 to a fighter but they aren’t paying $100,000 to UFC for the right to pay $1,000 to a fighter. The ones hurt the worst are the low-end guys who are struggling to make it on prelim money contracts. It also lessens the amount of money going to the fighters, because the $200,000 per year going to UFC as a licensing fee means perhaps $200,000, but certainly significantly less, going directly to the fighters.
As stated, this really hurts the mid- and lower-tier guys who rely on sponsorship dollars like waitresses rely on tips. Where will these guys replace sponsors who are unable or unwilling to spend $100,000 for the "privilege" to plaster their logo on fighters' shorts?
I'm also curious as to the motivations behind this move. Is it a Zuffa money grab? Are they using their leverage to eliminate competition for Zuffa friends (Tapout, etc.)? Is it another step in attempt to control fighters economically?
Zuffa loves to toot their own horn about how well they take care of their fighters. Maybe they do a lot more behind the scenes that we don't know about. However, we can only look at the facts available to us. For instance, at UFC 98, ten of the twenty four fighters worked for purses of $10k/$10k or worse. When you factor in training fees, corner fees, taxes, and then your normal monthly expenses, these guys don't end up with much money in the bank at the end of the day.
I've said all along that Zuffa's well within their rights to pull something like this. However, that doesn't make it a positive ethical decision. It's directly taking money out of fighter's pockets and putting it into Zuffa's coffers.
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I have on very reliable word that Tapout asked for this and the UFC wants to distance itself from the CondomDepot.com’s of the world. Those are the two reasons stated to me.
by Luke Thomas on Jul 7, 2009 12:04 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I see nothing wrong with this. If I see a bunch of fighters with blank shorts, then maybe, but I can’t imagine they’ll let prime advertising space like that go to waste.
by subo on Jul 7, 2009 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Of course you see nothing wrong with it.
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by Mike Fagan on Jul 7, 2009 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You’re really contributing a lot to the discussion here, Mike.
I’m sorry. That was just the syrup talking.
by subo on Jul 7, 2009 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL Mike
As long as the UFC is using at least using some of all these 100K fees its collecting to up all the fighters base pay I would be cool with it. That’s very doubtful though.
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by xFenixKnightx on Jul 7, 2009 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why would you say that?
Fighter pay has gone up consistently over the past few years. I don’t have the numbers to back this up, but I’d be willing to bet that UFC fighter salaries have gone up faster than those of the other big league sports from the beginning to now.
by Phildo on Jul 7, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is true. Just like Zuffa is helping THQ out with the threat made to EA.
Gross wrote on the subject as well.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 7, 2009 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What is the upside of forcing sponsors to pay zuffa?
by George Lucas on Jul 7, 2009 2:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ever occur that you may not see the fighter?
by bignerd on Jul 7, 2009 4:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The UFC and TapouT are basically joined at the hip. They may as well be the same company at this point.
by MMAEruption on Jul 7, 2009 12:10 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Rumors are that the UFC has invested in Tapout, just like they did with Xyience.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 7, 2009 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am friends with the owners of Sprawl, and they told me about a year ago, that the UFC had heavily invested into TapouT. I think the presence of TapouT during that time has more than proven this to be true.
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by BJJDenver on Jul 7, 2009 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Word up. Thanks for the extra info.
=D
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 7, 2009 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If I never have to see condomdepot.com on another fighter’s shorts ever again, then i will be a happy man.
by MMAussie on Jul 7, 2009 12:16 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Why do you care?
What does it matter to who what’s on their shorts.
Maybe you should sponsor the fighter instead then.
by MickDawg on Jul 7, 2009 4:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe because i have had that many people tell me how stupid fighters look with condomdepot.com on their ass. Pretty much every person i get to watch a UFC who hasn’t watched one before will comment on it. People seem to think it insinuates that their ass is a depot where condoms are stored.
by MMAussie on Jul 7, 2009 5:49 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Shenannigans I tells ya, shenannigans!!
Keep firing Assholes!
Out out, you demons of stupidity!
by Ubernoober on Jul 7, 2009 12:17 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don’t get all the Condom Depot hate.
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by Mike Fagan on Jul 7, 2009 12:21 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It probably has to do with the fact that they want to push MMA more into the mainstream and sponsors like MMA Depot won’t appeal to the sexaphobia that is rampant in this country. It’s okay for Jack Bauer to rip out a guy’s throat with his teeth, but showing boobs is destroying our youth.
by Zack Gobie on Jul 7, 2009 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
For the UFC, according to sources familiar with the company’s thinking, motivations are simple: the promoter wants its share, which it believes it earned by providing the platform for fighters to make significant sponsorship dollars; protection for official sponsors, such as Bud Light and Harley Davidson; additional control over brands gaining exposure to UFC audiences; and to further marginalize MMA agents and managers.
Several managers with track records of friendly relations with Zuffa said the potential loss of sponsorship dollars is nearly unjustifiable.
For instance, one top competitor on the card could miss out on as much as $300,000 in guaranteed funds after two deals fell through following word of the UFC licensing requirement, SI.com has learned. While a new sponsorship situation emerged that could be as lucrative, nothing is guaranteed.
by The Bronzeville Bully on Jul 7, 2009 12:31 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
$300k is some serious coin.
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by Mike Fagan on Jul 7, 2009 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also...
The new policy does nothing to restrict fighters from signing deals with sponsors that would put them in television, radio or print spots. But any deal involving an appearance during a UFC-produced event without the mandated licensing fee is verboten as of now.
That decision could cost fighters 35- to 40-percent of their sponsor-generated revenue, according to one veteran MMA agent, which is significant considering the UFC likes to sell the potential of increased sponsorship dollars as a way to augment fighter purses.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 7, 2009 1:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is it possible this could actually end up being a net positive for the fighters?
If the UFC uses it’s marketing dept. to bring in a higher class of sponsors to sponsor fighters is it possible fighters could actually make more money? Just wondering cause everybody seems to be focusing on and exploring the negatives of this and not really delving into what the positives could be.
For example could the $100k make sponsors commit to sponsoring more fighters. If they have to pay the UFC $100k for a six month window then wouldn’t they be enticed to get their moneys worth and maybe sponsor more fighters than they would have. I mean if that $100k gets them 6 months of UFC events it breaks down to a very reasonable amount per event if they sponsored fighters on every event. My thinking is it would entice the sponsors that do commit to the $100k to sponsor multiple fighters on every event as a way to get the most out of that $100k commitment.
by mattman73 on Jul 7, 2009 12:48 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don’t see how less competition will make for more money. Especially for the guys who this really hurts at the lower end of the spectrum. Is Bud Light or Harley Davidson going to ship $10-20k to guys in the prelims?
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by Mike Fagan on Jul 7, 2009 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Could the $100 000 flat rate be paid and then several fighters sponsored?
Keep firing Assholes!
Out out, you demons of stupidity!
by Ubernoober on Jul 7, 2009 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely
This is much ado about nothing.
by subo on Jul 7, 2009 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Except it completely cuts out small companies who can’t afford to shell out $200k a year to the UFC.
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by Mike Fagan on Jul 7, 2009 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boo fucking hoo. This is the Big Leagues.
by subo on Jul 7, 2009 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I want to see Nike in the octagon already.
by goodbones on Jul 7, 2009 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Has Zuffa done anything that you could criticize?
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by Mike Fagan on Jul 7, 2009 1:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve criticized Dana a number of times – the Loretta Hunt fiasco, for example (not for calling her piece untrue, which it was, but for lowering himself and using shitty language). I disagree with their matchmaking ALL THE TIME (Diego as #1 contender, Rua getting a title shot, etc etc etc).
As a business? They’ve done pretty flawlessly – and I don’t care how much money they lost buying Pride because they improved their roster as a result. As a fan, I am so so thankful that Zuffa exists and operates exactly as it does. It’s slowly killing their competitors and eating their bones while forever removing the dual influences of multiple promotions and managers with too much power that crippled boxing. These things make me happy, and the more I read the ‘ZOMG’ reactions of most internet MMA writers, the happier I am that they don’t listen to us.
If they did, they wouldn’t be where they are today. I think Zuffa’s success is MMA’s success, and that’s why I don’t criticize them very often. But I do when I feel it’s warranted – not because I think I’m supposed to.
by subo on Jul 7, 2009 1:26 AM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
“As a business? They’ve done pretty flawlessly – and I don’t care how much money they lost buying Pride because they improved their roster as a result.”
It’s statements like this that make discussing Zuffa issues with you futile. Even when they royally fuck up and end up a couple fighters and a disjointed tape library, somehow it’s still a win in your book.
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by Mike Fagan on Jul 7, 2009 1:39 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I got to see Wanderlei fight Chuck and Henderson fight Silva and Rampage. I got to see Nog fight Tim and Frank. And I got to see another corrupt organization that didn’t care about the health of its fighters go down the tubes.
As a fan, it was nothing but win.
All I care about is the best fighting the best – which is what Zuffa is all about (nevermind that part of that reasoning is to make sure no fighter transcends the organization by making long undefeated streaks unlikely – it results in amazing matchmaking). Are you saying I should care more about their bottom line than seeing good fights? That I should judge them by how much money they make, not how they help MMA? ISN’T THAT WHAT I’M ACCUSED OF ALL THE TIME??
by subo on Jul 7, 2009 1:43 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
I mean, which should I do? Care about the sausage or focus on the process that makes it? Because I normally get shit for the latter and now I’m getting it for the former. Just need to know what flank to protect here.
by subo on Jul 7, 2009 1:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We should just cut out all the middlemen and have the fighters become legally owned property of the promoters like Imperial Rome.
by George Lucas on Jul 7, 2009 2:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve never seen this suggested, actually.
by subo on Jul 7, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You’re distorting the point. We can discuss the specifics of the Pride deal all you want (and there are other unintended consequences that you’re leaving out), but that isn’t the point. Zuffa, the business, can do no wrong in your book as anything they do is a means to an end (controlling the elite MMA universe).
That’s why I reply with snarky “what a surprise” type comments in these sorts of conversations because you have next-to-no objectivity in the matter. I don’t mind that you look at the world through rose-colored lenses. I don’t agree that a Zuffa controlled world is the best thing for MMA, but I can see the benefits and I can understand why you would want it that way. Your hardline stance makes it hard to have a reasonable discourse with you as a result, though.
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by Mike Fagan on Jul 7, 2009 2:17 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ugh, rose = UFC
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by Mike Fagan on Jul 7, 2009 2:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If they made business moves that didn’t go to that end (agreeing to co-promote, allowing fighters to sign with other video games, etc), I’d criticize those. I think you and I just have different ideals for where the elite MMA scene should be, but I think we both have what we believe to be the best interest of the sport at heart. I’m always open to changing my interpretation, but I’ll need to see some evidence first.
I’m not going to reflexively hate on the UFC just because I don’t want them to run the world, which seems to be the basis of criticism for most of the things I do. I want then to run the world, so I support it, you don’t, so you oppose it. They seem equally hardlined to me.
by subo on Jul 7, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
removing the dual influences of multiple promotions and managers with too much power that crippled boxing.
Boxing was crippled by promoters who acted like managers and vice versa.
Every time the UFC decides to get between a fighter and his business with 3rd parties, they move closer and closer to those kinds of conflicts of interest.
by George Lucas on Jul 7, 2009 2:52 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
And yet some fighters still get a downside guarantee of as little as $3000 a fight in “the big leagues.” Dana White has said they want to be as big as soccer or basketball, all over the world. They are already the fastest growing sport in the Western Hemisphere. But they certainly aren’t paying their fighters NBA money or even professional tennis money. That’s because they are only the big leagues of what is still a niche sport, and forcing out lesser sponsors is an abuse of their position as the MMA “big leagues.”
In the best case scenario, the UFC is taking that money and redistributing it to the fighters so they can more directly control what they earn, again further marginalizing the role of managers, bringing them closer to a WWE scenario where they can negotiate most of their contracts with fighters directly. Even in this case, there’s probably going to be less sponsorship money coming in overall.
And Christ, if they were a bit more ethical I would completely welcome a UFC monopoly. I’m a huge UFC fan, which is part of why this shit makes me cringe.
by Chromium on Jul 7, 2009 6:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea I'm beginning to think this is much ado about nothing.
Just look at the numbers. The UFC held 10 events in the first 6 months of 2009. So it would average out to 10k per event. I don’t see that as being too outrageous when comparing it to what it would cost to run a commercial during a UFC Fight Night for example.
by mattman73 on Jul 7, 2009 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What about compared to giving a fighter $500, covering part of his team’s travel expenses, to put your business’ name on a banner for one event?
by George Lucas on Jul 7, 2009 2:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BTW
I think Bad Boy has the coolest MMA logo eva.
by Zack Gobie on Jul 7, 2009 12:57 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
“Why is that guys ass staring at me?”
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Jul 7, 2009 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is it possible that as part of a deal to grant big companies exclusivity the UFC will ask them to sponsor more fighters? It seems to me like there is probably a lot more going on than has been reported.
I think moving away from the condom depots of the world is a good thing overall. However, they have to try to make it up to the fighters one way or another. The best way would be to use part of the 100k fee to make it up to lower tier fighters, the other would be asking these big companies with newfound exclusivity to contribute to the rest of the card.
I don’t think this is a “racket” or “money grab.” I mean, it’s just a business decision from a business seeking to maximize profit, which is their job. The motivation probably isn’t that tricky.
by Michael Rome on Jul 7, 2009 1:12 AM EDT reply actions 6 recs
Exactly
Who is Dana White supposed to be concerned about: condomdepot.com or the UFC?
by subo on Jul 7, 2009 1:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I totally understand distancing yourself from the condom depots of this world but at the end of the day what the UFC is putting in is barriers to entry. For all concerned.
It’s the equivalent of the US saying if you want to trade with any US companies first you gotta pay the US government 100 million bux.
The motivation from the UFC is fine. It’s within their power and it’s within their rights. Absolutely.
However it’s for people like us (i.e. the fans) who want the fighters to be able to make a good living and dedicate themselves to a fighting career rather than having to work two jobs to try to make the bills.
A move like this from the UFC will only reduce the pool of fighters in the long term.
by rainmaker6 on Jul 7, 2009 1:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m going to need to see, like, one fighter lose money as a result of this before I cry ‘foul’.
by subo on Jul 7, 2009 1:34 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
So what will they do with James Irvin??? :)
by beersnbroads on Jul 7, 2009 1:25 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Several managers with track records of friendly relations with Zuffa said the potential loss of sponsorship dollars is nearly unjustifiable.
For instance, one top competitor on the card could miss out on as much as $300,000 in guaranteed funds after two deals fell through following word of the UFC licensing requirement, SI.com has learned. While a new sponsorship situation emerged that could be as lucrative, nothing is guaranteed.
um so a guy was going to make 300k off sponsorships but now won’t because the ufc is charging 100k as a fee?, maybe my math is off but that doesn’t quite add up.
Anyways like many of the other so called controversies regarding Zuffa’s business practices I don’t see the problem the UFC is ultra popular and a great bang for these companies buck. If they can’t shell out top money to continue to sponsor fighters in one of the few business that are making bank in a reccession they need to question what the hell they are doing.
by Raker on Jul 7, 2009 2:36 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You don’t really think you have a better idea of the value of ad space is than the companies that have to spend the money, do you?
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by Mike Fagan on Jul 7, 2009 3:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let me explain
Assuming one sponsor, the sponsor referred in this posting probably already has a signed contract with the fighter. Now the sponsor has to go pay the UFC an additional $100k, however this doesn’t cheapen the current sponsorship deal with the fighter. It’s possible the additional $100k doesn’t seem worth it to the sponsor and now they are pulling the plug.
Or the fighter has a few sponsors and the additional $100k every 6 months now doubles the sponsorship rate, thus to them not making it worth their interest.
Of course I’m assuming the reported story is correct, than this would be your explanation to the math. Easy for you side with Zuffa, your not a company having to pay out this new $100k fee.
by bignerd on Jul 7, 2009 4:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if you read your quote, it says “after two deals fell through”
by ryanwk628 on Jul 7, 2009 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is this any different from other sports? One example of sponsors being a problem.
Sweden just hosted the u-21 european soccer championship and one of the best arenas was banned by the UEFA from hosting any games because they had the wrong fast food venue. (Mcdonalds put their foot down)
I’m not saying this is a good thing with Zuffa trying to control sponsors but as the UFC gets bigger and bigger it’s only natural that we will see them control more stuff.
It’s not like they’re banning fighters from getting any kind of sponsors they want.. Just wearing the logos into the cage. Just like anyother sport.
by Pontus on Jul 7, 2009 4:37 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
condomdepot is being unfairly regarded in the big picture
people seem to be throwing condomdepot under the bus here. why? b/c of their name or what they sell or stand for? why not replace them w/ tapout from when tapout was just starting out?? i think people’s opinions would change then.
it’s interesting if what luke wrote is true: that TapouT “asked for this” from the UFC, and that “UFC is trying to distance themselves from the likes of condomdepot.” I understand the argument re: the UFC wanting to garner bigger names and possibly more sponsorship through their new ‘requirement’, however, what if a company such as TapouT was the one trying to break in and help out fighters w/ this requirement when they were just starting out? they probably never would have made it and it’s a bit hypocritical of them i think to ask the UFC this.
a co. that started out, out of the trunks of cars certainly wouldn’t be able to break out of the grassroots stages based on what the UFC is implementing now and is it fair to say that b/c you find TapouT’s name more amenable than condomdepot that they should rightly be banned or shunned? it still goes back to the smaller companies who just don’t have the money to pay that much and the smaller fighters who will suffer from this. it’ll become a sponsorship game for the rich or semi-rich company that can afford to pay the 200K and still pay the fighters a decent amt. of money.
again, the focus should not be on condomdepot itself, but the co. like it that may not sound as cool as TapouT or sell a product that doesn’t “fit” into what people want. and if you try to compare it w/ other major sports leagues, the difference is vastly greater in terms of the player’s pay. almost all professional athletes in the NFL, NBA, NHL, etc. all make a pretty decent living w/o relying on sponsors, whereas, other than the bigger name UFC guys, most make nothing and as was stated in the article, probably make 40% of their salary from sponsorship. that is a big deal to lose that.
maybe in the long run it will ultimately lead to more fighters being sponsored but somehow, i just don’t see that happening; the more you shut out competition and choice, the more stifled and controlling the environment you seem to get, at least thus far that seems to be the track record w/ the UFC. the situation w/ the EA games while different seems to show that the UFC just wants dominion and control, not to do the right thing w/ getting paid by sponsors and luring in bigger sponsors.
by theflyingtsunami on Jul 7, 2009 5:26 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It’s silly to say that other athletes make a living w/o sponsors. Adam Vinatieri gets 2 million a year because the NFL gets billions of dollars from tv. the TV gets it’s money from sponsors.
It’s not as direct, but sponsors are what make the sports world go around. More money in the UFC usually leads to more money for the fighters/better things for the sport.
by Phildo on Jul 7, 2009 5:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How often do you see an ad for a small time company during the Super Bowl? Smaller companies can advertise themselves on smaller shows, probably starting off at a local level and slowly expanding their business and exposure until they can afford to pay the price of admission on the UFC.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Jul 7, 2009 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not saying whether or not this is a good thing for Zuffa, but it is the way the sports world is moving and, although it is a change, it really isn’t something to get worked up about.
How much did the NFL fine Urlacher for wearing a Vitamin Water hat? How much does it cost to have the right to sponsor a nascar (not to mention what happened to Jeff Burton there)
There is precedent for this in other sports, and more and more stuff like this is going to happen as Zuffa grows
by Phildo on Jul 7, 2009 5:28 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
good pt Phildo, but the other sports also have 1 other thing....
Player’s Unions!! This seems to be the only way the fighters can and will be able to protect their interests if the UFC continues to move in the direction they are.
And payscale still being a big factor. A guy can play a whole season for any other sport and live very well. NOT so in the UFC. that has to change or the contraction on their avenues to earn money will greatly diminish
by theflyingtsunami on Jul 7, 2009 5:32 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The union is going to be tough because the fighters at the top now are making more than the top players did at the time they unionized. It will be difficult to get them on the same page.
And also about a guy playing a season being able to live well, that is only at the major league level. What people have to realize is that all of the UFC is not the major leagues. The people fighting on the undercards or fight nights or last minute fights are still in the majors, and players in the minor leagues of the other sports are not rolling in cash.
It’s supply and demand. Yes, the people in the NFL are rich, but the people in the AFL need other jobs. How much is the UFL paying? What do MLS salaries look like, what about soccer below the first league, what about major league lacrosse, what about professional rugby players in the US. Yes, people in the NFL, MLB, NBA, and NHL have money, but there are more professional athletes who would kill to get paid what UFC guys get paid than vice versa.
by Phildo on Jul 7, 2009 5:42 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
sorry
sorry getting late…
the contraction on their avenues to earn money will leave them unable to be a professional fighter
by theflyingtsunami on Jul 7, 2009 5:33 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think now is a good time to reflect on a pience MMAPayout did back in January on the UFC and 360 contracts. This is another step in that direction. Whether 360 contracts are good or bad is open to discussion but history suggests that Zuffa’s priority may not be the fighters, so it doesnt appear not to be a particularly good thing for the them.
by GeeDub on Jul 7, 2009 5:38 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don’t see what’s so wrong with CondomDepot. Condoms have done more good for the world than Harley Davidson, Bud Light, TapouT, MMA Warehouse, Bad Boy, Sprawl, Cage Fighter, and Full Tilt Poker combined.
by MMAEruption on Jul 7, 2009 8:55 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don’t get it either. Are people still that squirmy about sex?
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by Mike Fagan on Jul 7, 2009 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
People assume the companies can’t pay 100k. The UFC is one of the best vehicles out there for advertisers wanting to hit a specific demographic. Perhaps the sponsors are just grumbling about prices rising but are capable of paying the fee. What if they’ve been misjudging the value of the advertising – as we all know the PPV buys just keep on growing.
by bigweeze on Jul 7, 2009 9:43 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
OH NOES!
100,000 for 6 months?? Holy Hell Batman!!
Who cares? How much does a company pay for a 30 sec commercial on Monday Night Football? It bet its a shitload more than 100,000
by Paradoxx on Jul 7, 2009 9:50 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah but Bob's Backyard Barbeque can't advertise there!
Damn evil NFL with their successful business model!
by subo on Jul 7, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why is everyone so upset??
A lot of the feigned outrage is based on very little fact or logic. None of you know yet how this will actually impact fighters (from the top to the bottom). And none of you are working w/the UFC to continue building THEIR BRAND as well as the viability of MMA as a mainstream sport. Until we get 1st hand feedback from many sources, nobody will know what this will mean.
All of these sh*tty little logos on shorts are not getting the ROI that many of you think. I work in advertising & deal w/this stuff daily. From a marketing perspective, a clusterf_ck of logos on someone’s shorts will NOT be a significant revenue generator. And from the UFC’s perspective, it does cheapen their product. Just like the other pro sports leagues, the UFC has every right to capitalize on the brand that they have built & continue to invest in. And sponsor’s will find other ways to utilize their athletes effectively through print ads, commercials, websites, etc.
I have ads rejected by the NBA, NFL, MLB every single day for the smallest reasons. Some teams won’t even let advertisers use their TEAM COLORS in the ad b/c it implies a sponsor-type of relationship that is reserved for the legit million dollar sponsors. And every day these advertisers say “Well that sucks but we’ll CHANGE THE AD” b/c they understand the way professional sports works & if they want to use a team logo or get signage at a field/arena, they have to shell out a hell of a lot more than what they were willing to pay.
Some of you need to wake up & realize that the UFC is a business. It has every right to grow it’s business. Personally, I consider myself lucky that their business plans have aligned more often than not with my love of this sport. Businesses make good decisions & bad decisions but we won’t know til we have tangible results. If anyone here has a time-travelling DeLorean, please swing by & pick me up so I can be proven wrong.
by frickshun on Jul 7, 2009 10:16 AM EDT reply actions 5 recs
Not a revenue generator for fighters or the companies? Because there was a quote in the WON piece that sponsors can make up to 40% of a fighter’s payday.
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by Mike Fagan on Jul 7, 2009 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mike, I didn’t mean to imply that towards fighters, Of course it’s money in their pocket! I mean the little logo a sponsor gets on someone’s shorts (swimming in a sea of other logos) doesn’t get them thousands of hits on their website. And when Golden Palace 1st paid B-Hop to put that henna tattoo on his back…..it was the ONLY logo on his back, he was the main event, it was huge & you were guaranteed to get significant airtime. That is intelligent advertising & also started a major trend.
by frickshun on Jul 7, 2009 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If this many companies feel it’s worth putting this many logos on something moving 170 miles an hour, I’m sure there’s some value in putting an ad on someone’s ass when they’re confined to a small area.
by Phildo on Jul 7, 2009 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seems like every other sport business IMO, I’m sort of surprised they haven’t done it sooner to be honest. My biggest hope is that they use those fees to help the fighters with more pay and increased coverage.
I wonder if some of the people in here complaining thought that all those sponsors in the videogame got in there ‘for free’ as well? Are you just as upset there that they had to pay to get their logo in the game?
by pr0cs on Jul 7, 2009 11:23 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m OK with this, IF a few things happen.
-They need to have sponsorship packages. Just like anything, have a variety of packages at different prices, allowing smaller companies to still be seen.
-Clean up the sponsorships. Could you imagine an NFL player with GoldenPalace.com on his jersey?? If you want to distance yourself, just do it (intentional). Let places like condom depot have ad space in the program, but not on fighter shorts.
-Pool a majority of the sponsorship money and distribute it to the fighters. In other words, pay the fighters MORE. I’m not saying it needs to be evenly distributed, but they can figure something out.
-I think this may be necessary in order to bring in top dogs like Nike, but I’ll leave that up to the ad wizards.
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by BJJDenver on Jul 7, 2009 11:26 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I find it funny that people are against this idea, yet at the same time saying they want the fighters to get paid more. How the hell are they supposed to pay the fighters more? Are Dana and Lorenzo supposed to go chop down the trees and make the money themselves?
by Phildo on Jul 7, 2009 11:32 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I can see where Phildo and others are coming from, but I’ll admit that I’m very hesitant about this. Then again, I’m hesitant about most things.
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by Rundownloser on Jul 7, 2009 1:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
this may have been asked before....
how complicated/expensive would it be for the ufc to actually broadcast the undercard? would it be too expensive in the ppv format to change it from a 4 hour to a 6 hour broadcast? at least this way, (undercard) fighters would actually get some exposure. earn more in spornsorships as well
by ironic sumo on Jul 7, 2009 5:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
In a PPV business model, the purpose of the prelims (the actual name for the fights not scheduled to be broadcast) is to be available to fill the holes in the televised portion of the card. The ideal way to show unaired prelims is after the show has finished.
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by iiowyn on Jul 8, 2009 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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