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MMA: The New Poker?

Here's a fantastic new article by Jordan Arnold, over at Five Knuckles:


"How many fake-ass fighters would we see down at the bar with their Tapout shirts saying that their time is coming. Shit, you know they don't train. If it was easy, all of those guys would be in there. I don't know man, I don't want any part of that."

This is a quote from one of my old interviews with Jens Pulver. He said this back in 2007, however it may apply even more today. One can consistently find twenty and thirty-year-old men in the gym working out with their TapouT shirts on, punching each other in the abs while they do sit ups. Everyone knows that they probably do not do any actual mixed-martial-arts training, however they have this false perception that they are some kind of brave warrior that is ready to step in the Octagon at any minute.

All of this raises the question: Is MMA the new Poker?

Everyone remembers when poker got big back in 2003. We all watched as Chris Moneymaker tore through all of the professional poker players, whom we had never heard of, to win the World Series of Poker. After that, the sport exploded. Millions joined online poker leagues, poker hit huge deals with ESPN and NBC, branded poker rooms became a staple in every casino and guys like Phil Ivey and Phil Hellmuth became household names.

Now fast-forward a bit to April 9th, 2005. In most minds, this date marks the arrival of MMA. On this night, Forrest Griffin and Stephan Bonnar competed against each other to see who would become the first "Ultimate Fighter." Throughout the three rounds, both fighters absolutely annihilated each other in what was a ratings hit. More and more people kept tuning into Spike throughout the fight because their friends had called them and told them that they needed to watch. Dana White refers to Griffin-Bonnar as "the most important fight in UFC history."

When compared, one realizes that the rise of poker and that of MMA are very similar. Poker's rise is generally credited to online poker, the World Series of Poker being televised, the 2004-2005 NHL lockout, television commercials, and Chris Moneymaker. The rise of MMA is often attributed to The Ultimate Fighter, the downfall of boxing, TapouT, the purchase of PRIDE, and Kimbo Slice. See the similarities?

Comparison #1: The Downfall of Another Sport

In order for poker and MMA to get big, another sport had to get out of the way. In poker's case it was hockey. The NHL did not have a 2004-05 regular season. It returned the next year, but it has never had the same popularity. This was perfect for poker because the World Series of Poker Circuit Tournament is the same time as hockey season. With hockey being off of television, this gave more room to show poker on ESPN. Also, it gained a bigger share of a sporting fan's interest. With the extra TV spots, poker was primetime television. Plus, with the hockey lockout, sporting fans may have been more interested in a sport that has no contracts like poker or MMA. People were tired of pay raises going to players who made too much already and did not perform on the field.

In MMA's case it was its weird older cousin, boxing. As Joe Rogan said in 2007, "The famous people that (boxing has) right now are the only famous people that are going to exist in the future." Boxing had been dying for a long time and it needed a new hip replacement. Fans quickly realized that MMA is actually real fighting while boxing is just one aspect of MMA. Fans who got tired of spending money to watching boxing legends gas in the second round moved on to MMA.

Comparison #2: Average Joes Standing Out

Both poker and MMA also had faces that average fans could love and latch onto. Chris Moneymaker was the first online poker player to win a WSOP main event (2.5 million). He was just an average Joe that ended up making a huge amount of money and was the face of a sport for a few years. Kimbo Slice, like it or not, is one of the faces of MMA. Some may not know who Chuck Liddell is, but everyone knows about Kimbo Slice. Kimbo was a goofy-looking homeless man that beat up people on Youtube. He then moved to the cage and was a huge television hit. Again, Kimbo was an average Joe that turned one opportunity into a huge contract, huge fights, big money and lots of fame.

Comparison #3: The Television Tournament

Both sports also had tournaments that were watched by millions of people. The World Series of Poker was a staple in most households for 2003 and 2004. Nobody could get away from it. The Ultimate Fighter was huge in the rise of MMA simply because it is a reality show and people can watch it every week. Additionally, at the end of each season there is a free UFC event televised on Spike. UFC pay-per-views are 50 dollars, so a lot of people do not bother to buy them just because they can not afford them. Accessibility was huge for the UFC because with the rise of The Ultimate Fighter, one could watch MMA on a weekly basis for free.

So is MMA going to be as popular as people say? Or will it peak, much like poker did a few years after its boom? The facts seem to suggest that it will continue its meteoric rise. This is because:

1 Poker is mostly chance and MMA is mostly skill. People love watching the results of the hard work that mixed-martial-artists put into their careers. In poker, it is very possible to dominate without much hard work at all. 2-7 off-suited (the worst hand in Texas Hold'em poker) can technically beat a pair of aces. There is definitely a certain amount of luck in MMA (see St. Pierre-Serra), however the fans love it because they too often see lazy athletes with natural talent that do not put in the work that is needed. MMA represents the blue collar spirit of a hard work ethic.

2 MMA is fighting. From Gladiators to sword duels to boxing in the 1920s, humans love fighting. Fighting seems to be hardwired into our brains just as much as peace or love is. This is why war games and violent movies are so popular. With boxing dropping off of a cliff, MMA is taking its place.

3 The UFC is great at hyping fights. Right now, they are saying that UFC 100 is the biggest card of all-time. In a few weeks they will be saying that UFC 101 is. They somehow got fans hyped up for Ortiz-Shamrock 3. They had already fought twice! Every fight that Georges St. Pierre has from now on is going to be "the toughest test of his career" because that sells pay-per-views. Poker definitely lacks here. They have one big event all year and the other events are usually not even televised. It would be like the WWE having Wrestlemania as their only pay-per-view of the year.

4 There are always intriguing storylines to follow in MMA. Young vs. old, style vs. style, power vs. technique. In poker, there is rarely a storyline to follow. Occasionally we run across a guy like Moneymaker that has a good story, but nothing like "PRIDE vs. UFC" or "Ortiz vs. Liddell."

5 MMA has journalists writing about the sport. Poker did not have a Sherdog or a Five Knuckles. MMA journalists can write about events, training before the events, future fights, rumors, etc...but poker journalists can't. They can write about events and that's it. MMA fans can get their news or opinions on almost any fighter at any time.

MMA's rise is extremely similar to poker's rise, however MMA will not plateau at its peak. So do not worry folks, MMA is here to stay. Ignore the guys in the Xtreme Couture shirts who don't know who Randy Couture is. They will come around.

Poll
Is MMA the new poker?
Yes, it will plateau just as poker did in 03/04.
9 votes
No, MMA will continue its rise in the sports world.
66 votes

75 votes | Poll has closed

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No, last time I checked people weren’t paying 50 bucks to watch a poker pay per view MMA is it’s own animal it’s the reason why it such a great sport there is nothing else like it.

by Raker on Jul 6, 2009 11:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Actually they are. My roommate orders World Series of Poker tournaments on pay per view ocassionaly.

by Rabbit915 on Jul 7, 2009 8:12 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Poker had no organization marketing their “sport” anywhere near the way the UFC does. They put up huge billboards across the country and have done everything possible to expand globally. Heck, South Korea and China now can watch the UFC.

Also, Poker was on ESPN already the year Moneymaker won. It blew up because ESPN started pushing it. The UFC on the other hand made its way through PPVs and obscure network deals into the mainstream.

This is like comparing Brittany Spears with Bob Dylan. Spears hit fame not with her content but instead off MTV pushing her in teenagers faces. Dylan is an ugly man who makes great product and has had a long prosperous career that is still continuing as a result.

by MattPa on Jul 6, 2009 11:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It’s “Britney.”

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by Richard Wade on Jul 7, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t think there’s anything wrong with the process of comparing the two. They obviously have many similarities so the question arises: will MMA follow the path of poker (in terms of movement, not as an entity) or will it create it’s own. I agree with you that MMA did (and will) create its own path, but the comparison is a worthwhile one.

by Benjamin.Zeidler on Jul 6, 2009 11:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I’ve actually thought of this at times too. Mainly because its often the spectacle of MMA/UFC that sells. Its new, its exciting……etc. Fans get swept up in the whirlwind. Will things settle down and interest wane? Who knows, but you can bet your last penny that the folks at Zuffa are well aware of this potential…….and will do everything they can to keep introducing fresh new faces and new concepts and idea. Lesnar the champ. Kimbo on TUF. Inter-division superfights…….etc.

by GeeDub on Jul 7, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nobody’s going to make online MMA illegal. The comparison is no bueno.

by subo on Jul 7, 2009 12:14 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Online poker isn’t illegal.

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by Mike Fagan on Jul 7, 2009 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, but it’s illegal for your bank to process the transactions – one of the last acts of a Republican Congress, attached to a port security bill. The Main Event might never see the numbers it had in 2006 because of the stigma (and a couple of them, if I recall correctly, didn’t allow online seats to be won, which hurt the field substantially).

by subo on Jul 7, 2009 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, I know all about this. I played for a living for two years. Doesn’t change the fact that playing online poker isn’t illegal.

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by Mike Fagan on Jul 7, 2009 1:22 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Then I grant your semantic point?

by subo on Jul 7, 2009 1:30 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Poker got huge because of the World Poker Tour’s hole cams. That and the rise of online poker. It didn’t start with the WSOP or Chris Moneymaker.

ESPN had been covering the World Series for a long time, but without an ability to know what hands were being played, it had little interest to viewers. Once the WPT introduced the technology, the sport became spectator-friendly.

MMA’s an entirely different beast, though, and comparing the two isn’t really applicable.

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by Mike Fagan on Jul 7, 2009 12:26 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i also think that the poker explosion had a lot to do with the movie Rounders.
at least for the younger generation of poker players. ask anyone at the table under the age of 35 and i guarantee you they’ve seen in and can quote it.
i think its also for the reason that 99% of the games played in casinos is hold ’em.

That was a real kick and good for laughs and lashings of the old ultraviolent.

by mistake4 on Jul 7, 2009 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mask

It’s more than just puttin on a t-shirt. “Mask Lewis”

by jayhoff2000 on Jul 7, 2009 9:08 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Good write up, interesting points

But the comparison only goes so far

by RicketyCricket on Jul 7, 2009 10:49 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I would have to disagree, poker takes a lot of skill actually (more so than luck). If it didn’t why would we keep seeing the same pro poker players continually winning titles and bracelets?

by Bandaka on Jul 7, 2009 11:31 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

In those monstrous fields at the main event, luck plays a huge role.

by bigweeze on Jul 7, 2009 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yup, it takes skill to take advantage of the opportunities luck provides you with.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Jul 7, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And more luck to win the hands

by bigweeze on Jul 7, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

There is also different mindsets to play against, the internet poker players came in with a different mindset than the established pro’s at the time.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Jul 7, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think the dynamics of the sport of MMA will keep it in peoples minds longer than Poker. There seems to be a lot more ways to win in MMA, a lot more characters to identify with. This is what UFC is banking on, building stars where the fans know their past, know how they trained how they grew up , how they live and so there is a lot more enphasis to find out how things ‘play out’ when ordering a PPV. One of my casual friends (his last fight he watched was Ortiz/Machida) is coming over for 100 because he say the 100 fight countdown on SpikeTV and saw that fight he watched and was reminded how exciting it was and how a 1 sided fight nearly turned out the other way in the last 30 seconds of the match.
Putting on a lot of events with memorable fighters is what will carry the UFC and other MMA orgs through this growth period.

by pr0cs on Jul 7, 2009 1:26 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

let me know

when Tapout starts sponsoring the WSOP

from the forest itself comes the handle for the axe

by troy145 on Jul 7, 2009 2:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Not this comparison again.

by Foxskinrug on Jul 7, 2009 2:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

bq.blockquoted paragraph Now fast-forward a bit to April 9th, 2005. In most minds, this date marks the arrival of MMA.

I and many many others do not agree with this. This article is full of assumptions that are way to subjective.

"Stop smiling you are about to be punched in the face !"

by Warhand on Jul 7, 2009 3:29 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I am an idiot when it comes to formatting. The formatting guide is misleading though. lol. When an idiot sees: “for this effect……type this” that is exactly what we will do. Then frustration sets in. Of course the “preview” button is not even considered by us idiots.

"Stop smiling you are about to be punched in the face !"

by Warhand on Jul 7, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Use the Preview button.

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by Richard Wade on Jul 7, 2009 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kimbo?

I feel like the way he’s set this up Forrest Griffin would be the “Moneymaker” everyman who made it big… I don’t think your average joe relates to to Kimbo all that much, even if he does have a following.

by LBo on Jul 7, 2009 3:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, i thought using Forrest would’ve been a much more accurate comparison than Kimbo. It’s hard to see Kimbo as an “everyman” when he was billed as a “streetfighting legend” and “internet sensation”.

by sadface on Jul 7, 2009 4:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

I got turned on to poker after watching Rounders. Actually, there is no sherdog, but there is bluff magazine and cardplayer, along with many others out there. There are actually plenty of poker forums, such as MMA has, and they do not only talk about events. Don’t say something that is completely not true and try to pass it on as being irrelevant. Poker isn’t skill? Yes, and the top professionals are just the luckiest people alive. Jordan Arnold didn’t do his homework in this aspect. Quite frankly, I see some comparisons, but there are huge stretches in this crap. I actually think less of Jordan Arnold just by reading this.

by ccrattler on Jul 7, 2009 7:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think that the point of the article is:

1. There are some similarities between the rise of the two sports. No they are not totally similar, but there are definitely some similarities.
2. The writer examined whether MMA will follow the same trend as poker. (huge rise, quick peak)
3. He said that it will not.

…I don’t think a lot of people are getting the point of the article. Plus there is definitely a great amount of luck in poker. Gus Hansen is awesome at poker, but I rarely see him on television because there is a lot of luck involved in getting to a final table. There’s definitely skill too…but luck is huge. That’s what I take from the article at least…

by jaredgerrard22 on Jul 8, 2009 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

...

this is copied word for word from fiveknuckles. It doesn’t even include his own commentary, somebody link to the “how to write a fanpost” post.

by B Money on Jul 7, 2009 9:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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