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The USA TODAY/Bloody Elbow Top 50 MMA Fights in History III: 1997-2000

3687840135_07bec565f7_mediumHere's our third installment of the USA TODAY/Bloody Elbow Top 50 MMA fights in modern history. Sergio Non has written up the next block at USAT's Fighting Stances blog. To start, here's our criteria:

Some of the 50 fights we'll list aren't necessarily the best MMA bouts, but all of them are milestones for one reason or another, for better or for worse. The idea is to show how the sport has evolved. These are the fights that made the sport what it is today.

Here's the next 5 fights, covering 1997 to 2000:

  • Randy Couture def. Vitor Belfort, Oct. 17, 1997 —   UFC 15
    Looking back on this match, both men are still active fighters, but one has gone on to a Hall of Fame career and the other is still driving fans to ask "what if?" But coming into the fight, there was only on superstar in the Octagon -- Vitor "Phenom" Belfort. The Carlson Gracie protege's fast hands and string of KO wins had everyone assuming he would become the next UFC heavyweight champ. Enter Randy Couture and a textbook display of dirty boxing. Their careers would intertwine over much of the next decade, with Couture consistently reaching higher peaks than the mercurial Belfort.

  • Frank Shamrock def. Kevin Jackson, Dec. 21, 1997 — UFC Ultimate Japan
    This fight decided the first UFC Middleweight title (now the Light Heavyweight belt). Instantly it became the marquee belt of the promotion. Jackson was heavily favored to win. An Olympic Gold medalist free-style wrestler, Jackson had steamrolled every opponent he'd faced in his young MMA career. Shamrock was on the comeback trail. In 1996 a combination of back stage politics and in ring losses had run him out of Pancrase. He then went on to lose his first true No Holds Barred fight to John Lober, an opponent Jackson had mauled in his MMA debut. Frank redeemed himself by winning a war against Tsuyoshi Kohsaka. The momentum from that win got him the opportunity to face Enson Inoue at Vale Tudo Japan 97. The UFC had already indicated that they wanted the winner to face Jackson for their MW title. Most expected Inoue to win, but Shamrock pulled out the win (technically a DQ win, but he'd already dropped Enson when Enson's brother entered the ring) to face Jackson. The UFC title fight itself was an anti-climax as Frank instantly armbarred Jackson for the win, the first of a string of dazzling wins for Frank as UFC champ.

  • Pat Miletich def. Mikey Burnett, October 16, 1998 — UFC Ultimate Brazil
    This fight was for the first UFC lightweight title, now the Welterweight belt that GSP and Thiago Alves will fight for on July 11. Burnett was an impressive talent out of Ken Shamrock's Lion's Den, the top MMA camp of its day. He'd pioneered the sprawl and brawl style that Chuck Liddell and others would later use so well to batter top wrestler Townsend Saunders and Luta Livre ace Eugenio Tadeu. His opponent had already won a UFC lightweight tournament and was probably the top talent to come out of Iowa's pioneering regional MMA scene. The fight itself was a typical Miletich grinder, going to a decision after an appalling lack of action. But its on the list because the title it awarded has a linear legacy that still matters to this day: Miletich > Carlos Newton > Matt Hughes > Georges St Pierre (yeah yeah I know about B.J. Penn and Matt Serra being in the mix two, but they are just blips on the belt's history).

  • Frank Shamrock def. Tito Ortiz, Sept. 24, 1999 — UFC 22
    This fight on the other hand is not only of historical significance, it was also an epic bout, truly one of the all-time best MMA fights. Shamrock had defended his UFC title three times since taking the belt, virtually cleaning out the division at the time but one challenger stood out. Tito Ortiz had exploded onto the scene by humiliating Shamrock's former Lion's Den teammates Guy Mezger and Jerry Bohlander. Tito seemed unstoppable. One of the first fighters to cut a lot of weight, he would enter the Octagon with a 20lb+ weight advantage over his opponents. His wrestling skills and knack for devastating ground and pound made most expect him to win. But Shamrock delivered one of the greatest ever performances in the fight. Pulling guard and riding out Tito's blitz for three and a half rounds, he stood up in the fourth round, reversed Tito and unleashed a battering that won the fight and had the fans roaring. The UFC is writing this fight, and Frank's whole reign, out of their official history, but don't be fooled, this is probabaly the greatest UFC fight of all time. Bonus animated gif in the full entry.

  • Kazushi Sakuraba def. Royce Gracie, May 1, 2000 — PRIDE Grand Prix 2000
    In the last installment, I talked about Rickson Gracie's humiliation of Nobuhiko Takada at the first PRIDE. Well payback's a bitch and Takada protege Kazushi Sakuraba met Rickson's younger brother Royce at the first PRIDE Open Weight Grand Prix. Royce Gracie demanded and got special rules, including no time limits. This came back to bite him as Sakuraba's superior conditioning and wicked leg kicks wore him down over the course of the longest match in modern MMA history. Here's a nice condensed version of the match. This fight, along with Sakuraba's wins over Royler and Renzo, established the legend of "the Gracie Hunter" and ensured Sakuraba's place in MMA history. Modern fans coming to Sakuraba for the first time are strongly urged to watch his bouts with Carlos Newton, Vernon "Tiger" White and Alan Goes to see some grappling battles that are still some of the most entertaining MMA bouts ever waged.

Read Parts One and Two and the Prequel.

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Here we see Frank Shamrock getting a sweep on Tito Ortiz (after 3 and a 1/2 rounds of defending from the guard) and putting a beatdown on Tito standing. I still fondly remember the way my packed house of MMA fans went apeshit at my PPV viewing party when Frank turned the tables on Tito.

Thanks for the memories guys! Even if Dana White hates you, both of you contributed to the history of the sport.

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No Sato-Uno 1 is a crippling and debilitating oversight.

by Jordan Breen on Jul 5, 2009 3:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That one's on my list

But we are aiming at a more mainstream audience. I wasn’t concerned with the origins of the modern title belts as Sergio but recognize that that is indeed an excellent indicator of significance.
My list tended to focus more on stylistic innovations in the fights themselves.
I’m working up a Hardcore 50 an alternate world view of the most important fights for August. would love your impact.
Some fights I’m already thinking about —

  • Sato-Uno 1 for sure, but I’m also leaning towards Sakurai vs Uno in both men’s debut fight
  • Hulk vs Bitteti — the first humiliating defeat of a major BJJ guy — or grappler really. big win for strikers and still capoeira’s biggest win.
  • Pele vs Macaco — the great feud that saw the birth of Chute Boxe
  • The Superbrawl 13 tournament — established a pecking order of all the up and coming American heavyweights who’d been rising on the indy circuit — Josh Barnett, Heath Herring, Rico Rodriguez, Bobby Hoffman
  • The RINGS 1999 and 2000 tournaments — not sure which matches I’d pick but key matches from Babalu, Henderson, Big Nog and Fedor
  • The multi-event informal welterweight tournament that saw Carlos Newton, Pele Jons, Matt Hughes, Pat Miletich and Dave Menne sort out a pecking order in 1999-2001
  • Some of Evan Tanner’s early matches against Heath Herring or Paul Beuntello…
    suggestions?

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by Kid Nate on Jul 5, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This whole series is just making me feel dumb as a fan.

by subo on Jul 5, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and then here comes Breen

to show where I’m dumb as a fan!
Its all about learning and appreciating the sport IMO.

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by Kid Nate on Jul 5, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Damn right. The only way to learn is to be wrong over and over and over again.

by subo on Jul 5, 2009 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The only way to learn is to be wrong over and over and over again.

Then you must be the smartest son-of-a-bitch here subo.

:P

Due to Cheick Kongo's atrocious takedown defense....
Walla walla walla, I’m an idiot

Some people might say that winning a fight makes you a better fighter but I don’t agree with that.- BlueberryMuffin

by ufc4 on Jul 5, 2009 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Exactly!

There’s a large gap in my MMA knowledge, of which this series is helping fill in. Love it!

I love me some Sexyama!

by pud333 on Jul 5, 2009 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, and no Funaki-Rickson either? Not to be dickish, but I hope you can revise that somehow.

by Jordan Breen on Jul 5, 2009 3:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't see that fight as being all that

Funaki was past his prime and so was Rickson. It didn’t have any lasting promotional impact.
Had it happened in 1996 and opened the floodgates of top Pancrase guys coming into MMA that would’ve mattered.
But honestly Rickson’s important fights were in Vale Tudo Japan 94 & 95 and against Takada.
Very open to hearing your counter-arguments.

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by Kid Nate on Jul 5, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Again, this isn’t remotely true. This is arguably the most important fight for MMA history and I think in many ways can be read as the genesis of the kakutogi boom. The fight was watched live by over 30 million people in Japan and simulcast back to Brazil for a live audience over 40 million or something like that.

The fight isn’t horribly exciting and neither were in their physical primes, but if you’re including drek like Miletich-Burnett, not having Rickson-Funaki is laughable — and I hate saying this, because it comes off as horribly self-righteous and douchey — but downright irresponsible.

If you talk to Japanese fighters, an enormous fraction of current standout fighters will tell you, “I wanted to train MMA when I saw Rickson-Funaki on TV.” I have zero stats to back this up, but if you look at guys who started training and fighting around 2000-2001 in Japan, I’d say every second or third guy is going to tell you that fight is what made them want to fight.

I really don’t want to come off as “HA! Your list is shit because you don’t have Fight X!” but trying to do a list of the “Top 50 MMA Fights” — especially if you’re emphasizing milestones — and not including Rickson-Funaki is ridiculous.

by Jordan Breen on Jul 5, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

that's a blind spot on my part from being 100% gaijin

and not having the perspective on what matters to the japanese fan. Also didn’t realize that fight had such a big audience in Brazil.
keep the feedback coming, starting intelligent conversations about MMA history is the whole point of this.
To me the only ridiculous thing is trying to do such a list in the first place. Failure to please everyone is a given.

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by Kid Nate on Jul 5, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just because it’s not in the top five doesn’t mean it won’t make the top 50.

by subo on Jul 5, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

this is not the top five

this is just a slice of the list in chronologial order, I can’t figure out how to make the HTML do the right numbers but this is something like #15-20 if I recall correctly.

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by Kid Nate on Jul 5, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ah. I thought you were going to do a top 5 by era and then a top 50 for the hardcores.

by subo on Jul 5, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

also

got some links in English about that fight and the PPV broadcast? My involvement at the time was limited to waiting for bootleg VHS tapes and DVDs to arrive and reading WO and FCF so I never paid that close attention to the Coloseum promotion.

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by Kid Nate on Jul 5, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I really don’t want to come off as "HA! Your list is shit because you don’t have Fight X!" but trying to do a list of the "Top 50 MMA Fights" — especially if you’re emphasizing milestones — and not including Rickson-Funaki is ridiculous.

This remind anyone else of Talladega Nights where he says “With all due respect…..”

Due to Cheick Kongo's atrocious takedown defense....
Walla walla walla, I’m an idiot

Some people might say that winning a fight makes you a better fighter but I don’t agree with that.- BlueberryMuffin

by ufc4 on Jul 5, 2009 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

There are a lot of historic bouts both in context and fight quality. I can’t imagine it being possible for one (or even three) people to recount every landmark match.

by Ahhhoki on Jul 5, 2009 3:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Also, there’s a major problem and oversight in you trying to streamline the history of the welterweight division, as Mach was seen as the top welter and top P4P guy in the game while Miletich was still champ. Even worse, Miletich lost repeatedly during his UFC title reign, so it’s very duplicitous to try to depict the general trend of UFC champions as welterweight throne successors.

Pele-Macaco 1 not being represented is horrible as well. It doesn’t really matter who you’re trying to “cater” to; either fights are important (“top”), or they’re not. Otherwise, the list should just be “Top 50 UFC or Other Easily Accessible Fights in MMA History.” If we were talking about peripheral fights in MMA history which were fun, but didn’t contribute to the history and discourse of the sport, it would be one thing, but leaving out major chunks because it didn’t happen in the UFC or Pride is insane and lamentable.

by Jordan Breen on Jul 5, 2009 3:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

What defines importance? Relevance to the sport as a whole? Number of eyeballs that saw it live or immediately afterwards? Legitimate belts being at stake? Culmination of rivalries? Style contrasts?

It’s just so damned subjective – it seems to make more sense for everyone to put together their own list and then contrast/compare instead of shitting on somebody else’s. You both have clearly seen more fights than I have, especially in the 1990’s, so I’ll try to watch suggestions for both you and Nate.

by subo on Jul 5, 2009 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you're missing the criteria

we’re including Militech vs Burnett because it inaugurates the UFC 170lb title per se, not some mythical #1 welterweight in the world title.
Eventually both of those titles were unified by Hughes’ victories over Mach and Trigg, but we’re including Miletich vs Burnett because the belt and literal UFC title were first awarded there.
In the hardcore 50 I’ll talk about the Hughes vs Pele, Pele vs Newton, Menne vs Newton, Menne vs Pele, Miletech vs Pele, informal tourny that sorted things out from 1999 to 2002. Bringing Trigg and Mach into the UFC is what unified the UFC belt with best in the world status.

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by Kid Nate on Jul 5, 2009 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So far...

I’m adding Breen/Nate ’09 to my list.

by Ahhhoki on Jul 5, 2009 3:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Well, I’m not here to “argue” so much as be annoying, and really, I feel really douchey even commenting on this like, “You missed this fight and that fight and you suck!” It makes me uncomfortable. At the same time, I know the parties concerned are obviously capable of better and that oversights like those I mentioned are out of character.

by Jordan Breen on Jul 5, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

no worries

I think you could lighten up a little but I very much value your input.

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by Kid Nate on Jul 5, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

For sure.

It’s just never a happy proceeding when you go about judging a list of “best” anything that was constructed by somebody else. I don’t think anybody here needs to be taking this personally because we’re all judging a plethora of fights from almost a couple decades. Something subjective like this is always bound to create disagreements. I like the list, personally, but I also realize that it’s composition would be entirely different if I or you created it.

by Ahhhoki on Jul 5, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think one of the biggest problems with lists is once discussion starts, people go, “Oh, it’s all subjective!” Well, even if ultimately we all have mildly mutated ideas of what is “important” or “top”, I think there are consensus ideas which necessitate things like Rickson-Funaki, Uno-Sato 1 and Pele-Macaco 1 as being seen as epic signposts on the way to modern MMA.

If you legitimately want to understand or represent MMA on its path to becoming the way we see it now, you can’t skirt these fights at all. I definitely think subjectivity plays a role in deciding whether or not you include Burnett-Miletich over Mezger-Ortiz 2 or something, but just chalking oversights up to subjectivity is a bit silly, I think.

by Jordan Breen on Jul 5, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you also need to keep the audience in mind

explaining Pele vs Macaco to the USA Today audience is a bit of a stretch.

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by Kid Nate on Jul 5, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think what this Breen kat is saying is mostly true, but does he come off as super arrogent and an elitest to any one else ?

by TLAoutlaw on Jul 5, 2009 3:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

You dont know the name yet you summed him up to a ‘T’ :P

"Like a ballet of violence clothed in fine Brazilian silk." ~ MMASuPreMaCy

by Benicio on Jul 5, 2009 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not any more than usual

Due to Cheick Kongo's atrocious takedown defense....
Walla walla walla, I’m an idiot

Some people might say that winning a fight makes you a better fighter but I don’t agree with that.- BlueberryMuffin

by ufc4 on Jul 5, 2009 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

AH, yeah, I’m scratching my head right know, I know he must be right I don’t have a clue cause I’m not as knowledgeable, but I keep telling myself…“eh does he have to sayl it like this?”. Puzzling.

by spectaa on Jul 5, 2009 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Every time I read something Breen writes, my brain translates it into the voice of the comic book guy from the Simpsons. He’s like a living caricature of every fanboy know-it-all stereotype in the book.

However, credit where credit is due, he does know his stuff.

by Steve4192 on Jul 6, 2009 7:14 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I will kill a kitten if my favorite fight doesn’t top the next list in this little exercise.

Do you have a kitten, Nate?

by a tommy point on Jul 5, 2009 3:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

lol

I refuse to be intimidated.
Here’s my kitty.
Anyone who touches her gets indicted for crimes against humanity!

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by Kid Nate on Jul 5, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you sly fox

"Like a ballet of violence clothed in fine Brazilian silk." ~ MMASuPreMaCy

by Benicio on Jul 5, 2009 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But your kitty gets paid to let other people touch her though.

by Tonley on Jul 5, 2009 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you can pet the kitty

just don’t hurt the kitty.

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by Kid Nate on Jul 5, 2009 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’ve got my eye on you, Nate. You picked against Wandy. And now this list is coming up. Trying times, indeed.

Choose wisely, for there will never be a more important post. Ever. Well, assuming your next list includes the year 2003. /hinthintcoughcoughwheeze

Ahhhhhhh!

by a tommy point on Jul 5, 2009 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would prefer that you didn't.

"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito Ortiz on Vitor Belfort at Affliction:DOR

by Rundownloser on Jul 5, 2009 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

What?

I just talked to Dana and he said “fuck” like six times and told me Frank Shamrock’s wins aren’t even in the top 100 fights of all time let alone the top 50.

"Japan is half-Machida" - iiowyn

by Day Man on Jul 5, 2009 7:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Really?

Cuz last time I talked to him and mentioned Frank Shamrock he said he had never heard of him. I went on to explain that he was the first UFC Light Heavyweight Champion, that he defended the belt 4 times, etc., but he just kept acting like he had no idea what I was talking about. It was all very confusing.

Due to Cheick Kongo's atrocious takedown defense....
Walla walla walla, I’m an idiot

Some people might say that winning a fight makes you a better fighter but I don’t agree with that.- BlueberryMuffin

by ufc4 on Jul 5, 2009 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Are you posting that somewhere?

I’d be curious to see that.

I like the debate here, though I think the list we have meets the criteria we’ve set. I lost the argument to include Tank Abbott vs. Jon Favreau on “Friends” as one of the top 50, but I’m OK with that.

What I’d really love is for someone to tell us we picked the wrong Ad Santel fight.

by Beau Dure on Jul 5, 2009 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Now that you mention it...

…you could argue that Ito regained his luster when he beat Santel in the rematch. And come to think of it, how did we overlook Andre the Giant vs. Chuck Wepner?

Sergio Non,
MMA writer, USA TODAY
http://mma.usatoday.com

by Sergio Non on Jul 5, 2009 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Judo rules

Says the guy (me) who thinks Ronda Rousey could hop into women’s MMA and clean house.

by Beau Dure on Jul 6, 2009 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry, I was joking since none of Franks wins made the top 100 list of UFC fights. Should have thrown in a “satire” on there.

"Japan is half-Machida" - iiowyn

by Day Man on Jul 5, 2009 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I should’ve known — a little slow on the uptake late in the weekend.

by Beau Dure on Jul 6, 2009 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ortiz/F. Shamrock has a thrilling finish, and the triumph of the undersized underdog and historical significance aspects don’t hurt, but I’ll be damned if any fight with that much lay n’ pray can be the best in UFC history.

by JRN on Jul 6, 2009 12:23 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Maybe, but this isn't a list of best fights.

It’s a list of significant fights. There’s some overlap between the two, but they’re far from synonymous.

Sergio Non,
MMA writer, USA TODAY
http://mma.usatoday.com

by Sergio Non on Jul 6, 2009 1:50 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

“don’t be fooled, this is probably the greatest UFC fight of all time.”
—Kid Nate, from the post on which we are commenting

by JRN on Jul 6, 2009 2:13 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

to me greatest

relates to the significance of the match and the drama at the time it happened.
I don’t think it has the staying power of say, Sakuraba vs Newton or Diego vs Karo, but neither of those matches is 1/4 as significant.
But whatever, its my opinion, take it FWIW.

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by Kid Nate on Jul 6, 2009 7:43 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think a best fights regardless of significance list would be fun.

Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken

by Richard Wade on Jul 6, 2009 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It would be good for arguments...

… because that would be the most subjective list of all. But if I had to do it, Barnett-Nog I would be at the top of my tally.

Sergio Non,
MMA writer, USA TODAY
http://mma.usatoday.com

by Sergio Non on Jul 8, 2009 1:52 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Please forgive my ignorance but.....

When I watched that condensed version of Kazushi Sakuraba / Royce Gracie, I see Sakuraba tap twice to some kind of Gi / guillotine choke in round 2. Am I missing something?

"Stop smiling you are about to be punched in the face !"

by Warhand on Jul 6, 2009 12:29 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, context.

"Japan panics about the rise of "grass-eating men," who shun sex, don’t spend money, and like taking walks."

Did they all get married?

- Ubernoober

by SamCupitt on Jul 6, 2009 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do you ever wonder why you don’t have more friends?

"Stop smiling you are about to be punched in the face !"

by Warhand on Jul 6, 2009 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

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