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Is Vadim Finkelchtein Putting M-1 Global or Fedor Emelianenko First?

Picture_7_medium Mike Chiappetta raises some important questions about Fedor's management team:

Perhaps central to the problem the UFC is facing is that Finkelchtein acts as both Emelianenko's manager and promoter. That Finkelchtein has a financial interest in Emelianenko is no secret, but the fact that his roles essentially amount to a conflict of interest is something that is scarcely mentioned.

Finkelchtein is one of the owners of M-1 Global, an MMA organization that has done shows in multiple countries but is not well known in the United States. ...

So as Emelianenko's manager, every offer that Finkelchtein receives must be weighed against the future health of M-1. Simply put, that is a conflict of interest; an unbiased manager would be thinking only in terms of his client. Legally speaking, he is doing nothing wrong, as MMA does not have the same rules in place as boxing, which saw the Muhammad Ali Act do away with manager/promoters years ago. Finkelchtein is simply operating within the framework of a flawed system.

...Finkelchtein's continued insistence on co-promotion as an essential element of a deal has to make one wonder just how much of the deal is about Fedor and how much is about the business interests of M-1.

This is an important point Chiappetta is raising, and he's flirting with a more important point in raising the Muhammad Ali act. A while back, Mark Cuban was running around invoking the Ali act, but now that he's an investor in the UFC and not first in line to promote Randy Couture vs Fedor Emelianenko, he's pretty quiet on the topic. All the same, the Ali Act is potentially going to be big trouble for the MMA business status quo down the road.

Vadim isn't unique in MMA, as Chiappetta points out. He's in popular company with Monte Cox, the man who made Tim Sylvia what he is today, and Ken Pavia and many others. Nevertheless, a conflict is a conflict and whether Fedor owns 20% of M-1 or not, the deal still presents many negatives for the fighter who has a promoter as his manager.

Loretta Hunt has more from the M-1 side responding to the rumored UFC offer:

Joost Raimond, CEO for M-1 Global, called the report "completely ludicrous" and said negotiations never even reached the point where the number of fights contracted for Emelianenko was decided.

"I can say that the guaranteed -- and the word ‘guaranteed' is of great importance here -- the guaranteed offer made by the UFC is less than what Fedor made before," Raimond said. "The five-million (per fight) is way, way, way out of range. Half of that is even way out of range of what they offered."

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Raimond confirmed that M-1 Global had been presented with the possibility to receive a cut of pay-per-view profits in addition to Emelianenko's guaranteed pay, but he said no other profit-sharing incentives were presented.

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Raimond said a title shot against heavyweight champion Brock Lesnar -- in Emelianenko's first fight or otherwise -- was not specified during the talks.

But don't give up hope o ye of little faith, the meetings apparently went better than previous UFC meetings with the M-1 crew:

Raimond emphasized that negotiations with the UFC had been fruitful, even though the fundamental disagreement over co-promotion between the two organizations remains.

"We had a very professional, productive and respectful meeting with the UFC," Raimond said. "I think both parties walked away (knowing) even though a deal wasn't made, that a very decent meeting was had."

I'm just going to curl up in the corner and play fanboy and fantasize about Fedor sweeping through a beefed up Strikeforce heavyweight roster (with a NYE stop in Japan to paste Josh Barnett) and then we'll reprise this delightful Dana vs Vadim battle again in early 2011.

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VADIM= BOO THIS MAN!!!!

Now someone please insert half baked gif

by poundnground on Jul 30, 2009 6:20 PM EDT reply actions  

That’s kinda my position. Fedor is Fedor, and he’s going to continue to be Fedor. If he runs through everyone he faces for the next year or two, being exposed on Showtime and CBS, while Brock runs through everyone he faces in the UFC, the fight only becomes MORE lucrative. If Brock loses, then Fedor is just a more valuable commodity. Either way, as long as he continues to win out, his value doesn’t go down.

Also, for the failure that was Affliction, I’m starting to think that — with the exception of the final card — the entire endeavor was a net gain for the sport. Fighters got the opportunity to fight and make big paydays, We got Vitor Belfort, Ben Rothwell, Paul Daley, and whoever else in the UFC. Fedor got US exposure, and Affliction, for better or worse, made its mark. They even, indirectly, accelerated the Brock Lesnar phenomenon, by spurring the company to make the Randy-Brock title fight sooner than anticipated. Even Bloody Elbow benefitted from record traffic in July.

by madiq on Jul 30, 2009 6:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Belfort is in the UFC?

I know the UFC got Rothwell and Daley.

by steveoc24 on Jul 30, 2009 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Daley is still negotiating

turns out the Fighters only report was premature.

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by Nate Wilcox on Jul 30, 2009 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

What about Belfort? I haven’t heard anything saying he officially signed with the UFC.

by steveoc24 on Jul 30, 2009 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

he is going to fight in brazil, but hopfully after that he will sign on to the ufc.

by mma is #1 on Jul 30, 2009 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

If I were the UFC, I’d welcome him taking the fight. He’s not exactly Mr. Reliable.

by Jahbulon on Jul 30, 2009 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pretty sure belfort is fighting in brazil later this year.

by Xtor on Jul 30, 2009 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

that was supposedly signed prior to the affliction debachlypse

by woooburn on Jul 30, 2009 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fedor signing with Strikeforce

Who seriously would have thought that? Now it seems the more probable situation.

Looks like Fedor will never fight in the UFC. I just hope that Strikeforce can become a major player now with CBS and more healthy business plan than EliteXC.

We have already 3 high profile fight for Fedor in Strikeforce:

Rogers
Werdum
Overeem

If they can add Monson, Roger Gracie, Barnett, or the one fighting in Japan like Kharitonov , Antonio Silva, we have some very interesting fights for Fedor!!!

by JackO on Jul 30, 2009 6:29 PM EDT reply actions  

So what happens to you when the UFC signs Fedor?

by sadface on Jul 30, 2009 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually, I was one of the first to mention it in BE and everybody jumped on me, though, that is not new.
=)

by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 30, 2009 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I only asked him that because he joined BE two days ago..

by sadface on Jul 31, 2009 5:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think people have gotten over M-1… the only thing that contract didn’t have was a backrub and a puppy.

As long as Fedor allows his management to try and bankroll a whole halfrate promotion on his name, he will never fight in the UFC. And he will start sliding down the HW rankings very shortly.

by Paradoxx on Jul 30, 2009 6:32 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

well there you are

you’ve been kind of quiet the last day or so.
glad you like this line of questioning.
I try to keep everyone honest since my agenda is seeing good fights and having good conversations about mma.

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by Nate Wilcox on Jul 30, 2009 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Keep digging at this story. What Vadim is doing is wrong and should be illegal.

by sadface on Jul 30, 2009 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s rumored that Strikeforce has offered a non exclusive contract, so even if there was a buyout, Fedor could still fight where he wants.

People bitch about Vadim and all, and they are right because copromoting seems completley idiot in my opinion, but he is very smart at protecting Fedor rights.
The UFC could not have Fedor when they bought Pride, they could not have Fedor when they dealed with Affliction, and they probably could not as well in that case.

But Strikeforce seems like a company very healthy.

by JackO on Jul 30, 2009 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

People dont understand what “non-exclusive” means…

It means if strikeforce doesnt give you a fight you can go fight somewhere else. It also means Strikeforce has first right to offer you a fight in case of another offer.

So this non-exclusive bullshit is just bullshit.

by mmalogic on Jul 30, 2009 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who the fuck doesn’t understand that? If they don’t, WOW.

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by Leland Roling on Jul 30, 2009 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

A lot of people don’t understand.. you read some of the shit people post here, right?

by sadface on Jul 30, 2009 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Post where? In the fanposts? If that’s what we’re referencing, it should be understood that not everyone understands. It’s an open forum to speak your mind.

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by Leland Roling on Jul 30, 2009 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

alot of people think because its non-exclusive Fedor can fight one day at strikeforce and tomorrow somewhere else if he feels like it.

by mmalogic on Jul 30, 2009 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s what Babalu was doing with Strikeforce and Affliction.

by JackO on Jul 30, 2009 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

He had to get permission from strikeforce.

by mmalogic on Jul 30, 2009 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

They choose to have him to not defend his title during one year?

There are probably contracts where the choice is made by the fighter.

by JackO on Jul 30, 2009 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

no he had to get permission or strikeforce had to give him a fight.

If strikeforce gives you the fights then this non-exclusive bullshit is just that bullshit because it’s exclusive.

Monte cox made truely non-exclusive deals with Sylvia and Alvarez (old deal) where he took those conditions out and gave “first right of refusal” to each promotion in sequential order.

by mmalogic on Jul 30, 2009 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

And we’re supposed to believe that StrikeForce didn’t insist on promoting the highly lucrative Babalu-Southworth II?

by Jahbulon on Jul 30, 2009 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

The UFC doesn’t seem “healthy” to you? Seriously wtf?

by sadface on Jul 30, 2009 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

What? I just said that Strikeforce was healthy and that’s why they would probably not sell themselves to the UFC.

For non excusive: I assume they are more “non exclusive” clause possible, where a fighter can trully choose where he wants to fight by signing multiples contracts.

Like Babalu, he signed 2 non exclusives contracts with Affliction and Strikeforce , and he picked his fights.

by JackO on Jul 30, 2009 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Co-promoting with strikeforce is also bullshit. How much brand equity does strikeforce have that makes co-promoting with them worth anything?

Showtime and CBS is different but they’re not exclusive with strikeforce. They can sign whatever organization they want.

by mmalogic on Jul 30, 2009 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Does anyone know how large Fedor’s stake in M1 is? It seems pretty important given the accusations that are getting thrown around.

by Jahbulon on Jul 30, 2009 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Then the next important questions are:

1. Who holds the other 80% and what % is held by Vadim?

2. What % of M1’s cash in flow comes from Fedor’s fights?

3. Does M1 run MMA events at a gain or loss?

by Jahbulon on Jul 30, 2009 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

true!!!!

1) i bet Vadim owns most of the 80%, if not all.

2)also, i doubt that much of fedors money goes to M-1, then again who really knows, maybe all of it goes to M-1!?!?

3)maybe thats the biggest reason why M-1 wants to co-promote, they might REALLY need the money and the exsposer and if they where to co-promote with fedor as there poster boy, it would show that they have good fighters too(even though there shows suck).

by mma is #1 on Jul 30, 2009 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think anyone has contested the fact that Affliction cut small checks to Fedor and big checks to M1. The question is what percent of the big checks cut to M1 ended up in Fedor’s bank account.

by Jahbulon on Jul 30, 2009 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

thats a good question!!!!

but how do we get the answer!?!?

also, it might not matter where fedor fights(UFC, Strikeforce, Japan), he might get the same amount of money everytime he fights with M-1 getting most of the profit.

by mma is #1 on Jul 30, 2009 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s one thing i didn’t understand about the co promotion thing. Is M-1 paying for half of Fedor’s salary and the rest of the card when they intend to copromote a card. If that’s the case its stupid because he’s not going to get nearly the money he would if there wasn’t copromotion. And if that’s not the way they were going to do it then how is it really copromoting the event when one org foots the bill for everything and another leeches off them?

by TannerMatthews on Jul 30, 2009 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep, and these questions need answers a week ago.

"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito Ortiz on Vitor Belfort at Affliction:DOR

by Rundownloser on Jul 30, 2009 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I might be dreaming but if Strikeforce acquired Fedor somehow someway what would happen if the UFC buys out Strikeforce?

by MrBlond3 on Jul 30, 2009 6:35 PM EDT reply actions  

I don’t see Strikeforce selling to the UFC as long as they are growing.

by sadface on Jul 30, 2009 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

So the UFC gets fedor under contract terms they don’t want…doesn’t seem like a good deal for the UFC.

by SES 84 on Jul 30, 2009 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

A question about the UFC offer

The M1 and Snowden are reporting that the UFC offer was less than what Fedor was gaining with Affliction. Do you think it’s true?

If yes , I wonder if the UFC really tried, that could explain why all remained “cordial” this time as both camps were maybe not fully trying to reach a deal.

by JackO on Jul 30, 2009 6:46 PM EDT reply actions  

The actual per fight sum might be less. But you have to factor in PPV cuts. Lesnar was paid $400,000 per his fight contract. That isn’t factoring in his PPV slice.

by sadface on Jul 30, 2009 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

more from Snowden

from the Fight Network:

The actual guarantee for Fedor is much more modest. It’s true that if business stays at record levels Fedor could walk away with more money than any fighter in MMA history, but sources say the offer included a guarantee that was less than what Fedor made in Affliction. The contract was also only for three fights, not the reported six. Many in the UFC were uncomfortable even with this, the largest guarantee they have made in their history. Company insiders expressed concerns about Fedor’s doughy physique, his inability to speak English, and the difficulty of working with his management team. Still, these insiders say that Dana White and Lorenzo Fertitta are absolutely obsessed with getting Fedor in the company.

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That is the second major issue the UFC-Emelianenko negotiating teams are stuck on. The money is very good, more than Fedor can likely get anywhere else (Strikeforce, by contrast, is offering less than a $750,000 a fight). The problem is the desire to use the UFC to help catapult the Russian’s M-1 Global promotion. The UFC will never agree to any deal that involves co-promoting fights.

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by Nate Wilcox on Jul 30, 2009 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

The problem with the statement “guarantee that was less than what Fedor made in Affliction” is not exactly correct. The UFC is guaranteed at least 500k PPV buys whereas Affliction’s guaranteed buys are in the ball park of 50k. Add the 500k PPV percentage to that and compare. Furthermore, Affliction’s “guarantee” is no guarantee at all. 3 or 6 fights, those are guaranteed with the UFC contract. 2 fights out of 3 before folding isn’t exactly a guarantee that’s worth much.

by cyph on Jul 30, 2009 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thank you. It’s comments like this from Snowden that make me wonder what he’s thinking about when he writes things. I’ll leave it at that, i guess.

by sadface on Jul 31, 2009 5:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

In what sense? The amount of guaranteed money is smaller than the amount guaranteed by Affliction. I don’t think anyone is making an argument that the amount he will be paid is less than he was paid by Affliction. It’s just making clear what the offer was after the Dave show info came out.

This is the biggest contract they’ve ever offered anyone. That’s the thing to remember, It’s not as big as reported initially, but it’s huge money.

by JSnowden on Jul 31, 2009 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

That is utter bullshit dollar for dollar. Meltzer will be confirming the original report if he hasn’t already. The original report is closer to the truth than all the bullshit coming out today.

Sure Affliction gave a better cut of the ppv but dollar for dollar it comes out to alot less because they cant sell ppv’s. Alot of nothing is nothing… A little of alot is something.

If Fedor won all his 6 fights in the UFC he would have around 30m… he would have over 10m guaranteed even if he lost his first 3 fights.

by mmalogic on Jul 30, 2009 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

And Finkie steals most of that, and all he wants is the most money possible… so… why didn’t they take the deal?

Also, does the EA MMA game ban still apply?

And who is the 95% lock to be the new headliner at UFC 103 now?

It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.

by capital L on Jul 30, 2009 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ban doesn’t apply.

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by Leland Roling on Jul 30, 2009 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just read my post on the dollar amounts that are possible. It’s easily attainable for Fedor to reach $30 million, something a lot of people have been scoffing at.

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by Leland Roling on Jul 30, 2009 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

And it’s sad that all the people (Arnold) bashing you guys wont appologize if what was originally reported is more accurate.

by sadface on Jul 30, 2009 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's not his point

and Arnold will keep bashing us regardless of what we do.

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by Nate Wilcox on Jul 30, 2009 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Arnold always goes against the side that is generally taken. He’s always gotta be the cool kid going against everyone else so that he sticks out

by TannerMatthews on Jul 30, 2009 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

But what they would have turned down as much money + sambo + M1 being fedor sponsor?

Fedor said no? If M1 was there just to make the most money of Fedor you would think that they would have jumped on that opportunity.

Something is strange in that story. The UFC has NEVER given 30 millions for 6 fights. While suddenly would they? M1 claim that half of the 5 millions is far out of range.

by JackO on Jul 30, 2009 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

They want to give 10% of that to Fedor and they want to keep 90% of it… masking the theft by calling it a “co-promotion”.

by mmalogic on Jul 30, 2009 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

So to be clear, they wanted the actual payments to go to M-1 Global instead of Fedor. That seems like the sort of simple point that some enterprising journalist should be able to ask.

It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.

by capital L on Jul 30, 2009 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Source?

But even, they would choose the UFC offer if it was that lucrative. If the 30 millions are accurate (I still doubt) they could not ge more anywhere.

by JackO on Jul 30, 2009 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

who said Fedor wasnt going to be in the UFC?

by mmalogic on Jul 30, 2009 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Vadim, M1 , Meltzer, Fedor…..

by JackO on Jul 30, 2009 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

MMALOGIC says his next fight will be in the UFC.

by mmalogic on Jul 30, 2009 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Your confidence is disturbing.

Fedor said that the UFC offer was not interesting.
Vadim said Niet.
Meltzer confirmed that the negociation failed

But you are still on your position…

You almost convince me…. Almost ;)

by JackO on Jul 30, 2009 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Your willingness to take what these people say at face value is disturbing. You’ve never in your life been negotiating something and have the person say they’re not interested, only for them to come back later?

by Jahbulon on Jul 30, 2009 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

The negociation are failing since 2 years ago… It’s not like if it was the first time…..

by JackO on Jul 30, 2009 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly last time there was Affliction throwing around a fuck load of t-shirt money and bending over whenever Vadim said “spread ’em”.

by Jahbulon on Jul 30, 2009 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm sorry...

but WHO are you?? You fuckin Bruce Wayne or something? You must be Dana White with the way people kiss your ass on here….

I’m sure you are someone very important within Zuffa and you are very good at your job…. but the arrogance is getting out of hand.

Forgive me if I never turn on the “Bat Signal” for you…

by Gunslinger20 on Jul 30, 2009 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

When you are proven wrong will you publicly apologize for your insubordination?

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by ronniebonnie on Jul 30, 2009 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Me?

Absolutely, I have no problem with admitting that I’m wrong…. I’m not an arrogant prick like that.

by Gunslinger20 on Jul 30, 2009 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

That is however if I don’t get banned for questioning BE’s favorite son’s credibility..

by Gunslinger20 on Jul 30, 2009 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh ye of little faith.

Thank you. Fedor will have his next fight in the UFC. It is so because logic says it is so.

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by ronniebonnie on Jul 30, 2009 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol...

Bruce Wayne’s following here is reminding me of the followers of Charles Manson…

He might ask you to fly to Russia to kill Fedor if he is indeed wrong… don’t forget to pack a coat and bring plenty of money for vodka.

by Gunslinger20 on Jul 30, 2009 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

hes been dead on about alot of shit. and his dead on confidence in this makes me “a witness”

by JaTinkles on Jul 30, 2009 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

He is privy to information you and I are not. This has been proven time and time again. Check his resume.

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by ronniebonnie on Jul 30, 2009 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m aware of his resume, I’m just not all that impressed by it.

by Gunslinger20 on Jul 30, 2009 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

My opinion doesn't matter, I'm ok with that...

I guess not everyone can be so liberal with dropping hints and info like he can…. takes guts, I’ll give him that.

by Gunslinger20 on Jul 30, 2009 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

The biggest source of most of that bullshit is sup himself.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Jul 30, 2009 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

its still entertaining though… :)

by Gunslinger20 on Jul 30, 2009 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

i’m new here..so can anybody tell me what dead-on predictions have been in the past?

so i can believe him more

by justizzer on Jul 31, 2009 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

i mean mmalogic’s dead on predictions

by justizzer on Jul 31, 2009 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Apparently Randy Couture coming back

That is the only one I know of so I’m just as curious as you as to which revelations he has unveiled in the past.

by Gunslinger20 on Jul 31, 2009 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

we very much appreciate mmalogic's contributions

but he’s on his own, the moderators will not ban anyone for criticizing him.
same rules for everyone — with a tiny bit of slack for good contributors.
1) No fighter bashing
2) No name calling
3) No politics or religion
4) No pissing off the moderators

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by Nate Wilcox on Jul 30, 2009 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Noted.. thanx Nate

When’s the next book review going to be done and what book are you reviewing?

by Gunslinger20 on Jul 30, 2009 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t believe him to any extent. I could have said Randy would have been back too.

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by Leland Roling on Jul 31, 2009 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Come on Kid Nate, everyone knows that rule #4 is actually rule #1 : )

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by ronniebonnie on Jul 30, 2009 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

The contract being offered is not for 6 fights. Got that confirmed by everyone involved. No one, however, could or would answer if the six fights came from factoring in a champion’s clause extension. I did ask, just didn’t get an answer.

by JSnowden on Jul 31, 2009 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Being less than what he got in Affliction should not be shocking to anyone. Affliction was paying everyone too much money. There are very few people who will ever get the same amount or more than they got fighting for Affliction.

When they say this they aren’t talking about the useless number of 300k that was reported to the commission. They’re talking about the actual dollar amount that left Affliction and went to Russia.

by Phildo on Jul 30, 2009 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Boxing Promoters

So, apparently there’s talks between M1 and: the UFC, Strikforce, and “several boxing promoters”

Who can the latter realistically offer up as opponents?

by kid_eh on Jul 30, 2009 6:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Ray “Lord have mercy on everyone involved if this ever comes to pass” Mercer

It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.

by capital L on Jul 30, 2009 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Someone else is going to lose there milk money thinking they can build a promotion around Fedor.

by SES 84 on Jul 30, 2009 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well I’m glad that at the very least a ‘very decent meeting was had’. That will make me sleep better tonight.

by -Sam on Jul 30, 2009 6:54 PM EDT reply actions  

Right. So, basically, none of us know what we’re talking about. Every 30 minutes some new source says everybody is wrong.

I’ve tired myself out.

One of these days I'll learn to type coherently.

by a tommy point on Jul 30, 2009 6:58 PM EDT reply actions  

LOL

I have been telling everyone to chill about all this for days now. This deal wasn’t going to be made in a couple of days, and that sources would leak stuff out all the time. =)

by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 30, 2009 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Simmer down man

Don’t point out the obvious Supremacy, some of us know better and have actually believed your research and take on this subject as oppose to Bruce Wayne and others.

Don’t remind everyone you already said this stuff…. you do good work and are a respectful poster, even when people attack you but don’t go down this road.

by Gunslinger20 on Jul 30, 2009 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

ans so the war between mmalogic and mmasupremacy continues until we find out who was right in the fedor saga…

considering you guyshave the same prefixes i bet you guys would either bcome best friends if u actually met each other or that you guys are really long lost brothers

by justizzer on Jul 31, 2009 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

It’s called “negotiating through the media”

by Jahbulon on Jul 30, 2009 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, and all the media sites and fans are taking the emotional hits, though, media sites are loving their page visits.

by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 30, 2009 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

You seem to be enjoying yourself. : )

by Jahbulon on Jul 30, 2009 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I told everyone this was going to happen, so, its funny seeing everyone go from high to low etc.

by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 30, 2009 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I understand how it all works. It’s just a little bit different this time around. Everyone and their mother is reporting a different version of the offers on the table.

I mean, in Nate’s last post, he cited sources reporting two versions of a Strikeforce deal that suit Fedor and his camp’s needs.. Strong offers, yet different.

One of these days I'll learn to type coherently.

by a tommy point on Jul 30, 2009 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha, good point!!!!

i hope dana will shed some light tomorrow on all this!!!!

by mma is #1 on Jul 30, 2009 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

He wont, it will focus on the deals that are completed and fighters.

by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 30, 2009 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, your most likely right....

but i hope something GOOD at least comes out.

by mma is #1 on Jul 30, 2009 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

So Roy Halladay appears to be staying in Toronto and Big Papi is a Roider.

Must think of something other than Fedor. MUSTTTT… TRY. M-1 M-1 M-1…. AHHHHHHHH

by Sokonojudo on Jul 30, 2009 7:22 PM EDT reply actions  

you can watch MMA Live

its good for a few laughs… like McNeil stammering through the promotions Fedor killed and Rashad’s impersonations and reactions to that. Pretty good show this week

by Davey S. on Jul 30, 2009 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

300+ comments

These suckers have been blowing up lol. Takes awhile to load at work while on my lunch.

GSP: I pulled my groin.

Greg Jackson: I don't care Georges! HIT HIM WITH YOUR GROIN!

by xFenixKnightx on Jul 30, 2009 7:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Haha, I have the same problem.

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by Leland Roling on Jul 30, 2009 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I recommend Chrome…it loads faster, but at work that might not be an option. I get stuck with IE6 at work, just atrocious.

by SES 84 on Jul 30, 2009 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is chrome pretty good? I might have to try it.

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by ufc4 on Jul 30, 2009 11:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I like it quite a bit.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Jul 30, 2009 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I use it whenever I can. There are still some ever so slight compatability issues, but its really quite good. The speed is impressive and there are other nice features (i.e. porn…sorry honey…I mean incognito mode) I think the only downside is if you are a big user of extensions in FF. There are basically no extensions at the moment so that is a knock.

by SES 84 on Jul 31, 2009 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

I always use Chrome at home, but 600+ comments doesn’t load fast regardless of the fucking browser. It’s still a bitch to sift through.

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by Leland Roling on Jul 31, 2009 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Where’s the poll?

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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 30, 2009 8:08 PM EDT reply actions  

I hope Fedor signs with Strikeforce, and gets plastered by Brett Rogers in 16 seconds.

Then we could never speak of this “Will Fedor sign with the UFC?” ever again.

Keep firing Assholes!

Thanks to Bisping's reenactment of the Battle of Cowpens, walla walla walla I'm an idiot.

by Ubernoober on Jul 30, 2009 8:22 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

And then Rogers signs a contract to fight Brock on Dana’s back in the middle of the cage.

When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift

by Derek Suboticki on Jul 30, 2009 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rogers signs with M-1, and becomes sponsored by Walmart Service Centre.

Keep firing Assholes!

Thanks to Bisping's reenactment of the Battle of Cowpens, walla walla walla I'm an idiot.

by Ubernoober on Jul 30, 2009 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s a rather immature attitude to take. I hope he signs with the UFC. I’ll always hope he signs with the UFC until he retires, and then I’ll wish he had signed with the UFC.

It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.

by capital L on Jul 30, 2009 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

/\

this

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by Nate Wilcox on Jul 30, 2009 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hope Vadim goes on a permanent vacation.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Jul 30, 2009 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

To hell.

"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito Ortiz on Vitor Belfort at Affliction:DOR

by Rundownloser on Jul 31, 2009 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

It seems to me Vadim is putting M-1 Global ahead of Fedor. It’s a shame because everyone in their right mind wants to see Fedor fight in the UFC and either fail or cement his legacy as one of the greatest fighters in the history of MMA.

Hopefully this is all just posturing and negotiations.

Vadim doesn’t realize he can have both Fedor and M-1’s best interest in mind. If Fedor signs a lucrative 3 fight deal, cleans house in the UFC then goes off doing whatever M-1 still benefits from that.

by Johnnynumber5 on Jul 30, 2009 8:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Just to follow up …

what Vadim is doing now amounts to little more than unreasonable demands.

by Johnnynumber5 on Jul 30, 2009 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hate this..

Sleep didnt work. Haha..

Now, Unless there was a good reason to do so, I’m officially staying out of the comments area of fedor posts until we get real news..

by Anton Tabuena on Jul 30, 2009 8:57 PM EDT reply actions  

I’m done too.

Keep firing Assholes!

Thanks to Bisping's reenactment of the Battle of Cowpens, walla walla walla I'm an idiot.

by Ubernoober on Jul 30, 2009 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s excellent. Javier sounded somewhere between bummed out and pissed off on Sherdog radio last week. His comeback has gotten wrapped up in a couple of wacky situations.

It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.

by capital L on Jul 30, 2009 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

so far, there’s only
Rothwell Gormley on UFC 104
Javier Vasquez to WEC 42
Daley (hasn’t signed yet)
Vitor (has one fight in Brazil first)

still a lot of affliction-to-zuffa fighters unannounced.. I am done with speculating about fedor, i’m just gonna deal with real news this time..

by Anton Tabuena on Jul 30, 2009 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

LC Davis is in the WEC?

I didn’t know that, look forward to seeing what he can do.

by Gunslinger20 on Jul 30, 2009 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

There’s also definitely espn in england and ireland as a definite.

Rumors include a network tv deal in the US, and also little Nog joining the UFC with Belfort after their fights in Brazil.

by Phildo on Jul 30, 2009 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ll do ya one better to get all of this Fedor junk off my mind: 48 hours in Montreal!!!

Keep firing Assholes!

Thanks to Bisping's reenactment of the Battle of Cowpens, walla walla walla I'm an idiot.

by Ubernoober on Jul 30, 2009 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

why is fedor's junk in your head?

are you trying to convince him to go to the UFC?

haha. but seriously though, i’ve only gone to Vancouver and a short while in Toronto but i was already freezing my ass off.. Montreal is a lottttttttt colder right?

I don’t think i can handle the weather there hahaha.

by Anton Tabuena on Jul 30, 2009 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Silly Southern Hemisphereian..

The summer here is in June, July, August.

Check out the weather forecast, its supposed to be sunny and warm all weekend :D

http://www.theweathernetwork.com/weather/caqc0363

I don’t really notice cold, but Montreal is colder than Toronto. Everyone makes fun of Torontonians for complaining about winter weather, once it snowed so much the mayor had to call in the army to dig them out. Still has nothing on where I grew up, where the temperature would hit -45 C on some days. When its that cold you can feel your eyelids freeze shut when you blink.

Keep firing Assholes!

Thanks to Bisping's reenactment of the Battle of Cowpens, walla walla walla I'm an idiot.

by Ubernoober on Jul 30, 2009 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hell everytime i go to san francisco at December, i still find it cold..

so i bet i’d still freeze at your summer haha. but hey, 23 degrees isn’t that bad.. :)

by Anton Tabuena on Jul 30, 2009 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

103 is coming up so we better find out who’s headlining tomorrow

by justizzer on Jul 31, 2009 12:42 AM EDT reply actions  

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