Navigation: Jump to content areas:


Pro Quality. Fan Perspective.
Login-facebook
Around SBN: Knicks Beat Lakers With Familiar Strategy

Fedor: Propaganda War

Let's deconstruct the he said she said, shall we?

“I can say that the guaranteed -- and the word ‘guaranteed’ is of great importance here -- the guaranteed offer made by the UFC is less than what Fedor made before,” Raimond said. “The five-million (per fight) is way, way, way out of range. Half of that is even way out of range of what they offered.”


Raimond did not refute the figure at all. He refutes that the "guaranteed" is less than what Fedor made before but he didn't even state what that figure was! Since the contract has a PPV percentage stipulation, and the UFC is all but guaranteed to sell at least 500k-1000k buys, shouldn't the "guaranteed" portion include the minimum PPV percentage as well?

Raimond was not present at the meeting that took place between UFC and M-1 management in Los Angeles earlier this week, but he said he was debriefed shortly afterward. M-1 and UFC officials, including president Dana White, reconvened the next day via teleconference call, where M-1 presented a counteroffer that included co-promotion. No written contact was ever presented.

Wait, so you mean Raimond is not even privy to the discussion? He's getting second hand news from the Fink himself? Could it be possible that a contract was faxed to M-1 the night Carmichael reported the news?

Raimond confirmed that M-1 Global had been presented with the possibility to receive a cut of pay-per-view profits in addition to Emelianenko’s guaranteed pay, but he said no other profit-sharing incentives were presented.

This does not contradict the Carmichael report. M-1 global receiving a cut of PPV was part of what he reported.

Here is Carmichael's response:

"I of course would never report ANYTHING without a credible source.

Not someone standing at the door. Not another website. A SOLID, TRUSTWORTHY, CREDIBLE source.

This is a ton of propoganda from both sides. Is M1 wrong? Who knows? I know what I was told, double checked it, triple checked it, and wrote it. I said on my show last night that the entire picture isnt clear, and there were I'm sure several different other parts of the offer that werent reported on.

There are always two sides of the story. My job isnt to decide who's right, lying, exaggerating, etc. I did not write an opinion piece. I got a leak from a credible source, and I reported what I was told. The rest is up to the public. I'm sure there will be much more in the next few hours, days, etc. But I absolutely stand by what I was told, considering the source.

I should also add that Snowden's claims to be a neutral observer is anything but. He disputes the Carmichael report as false while taking M-1's side as gospel. Why is it that when someone reports information from the UFC, they are called shills, but guys like Snowden and Sherdog/MMAWeekly get a pass for reporting information passed on by M-1? No one is vetting information from the other side.They are all mouth pieces. Public opinion is very much a part of the negotiations here. In chess, there are pawns from both sides of the board. People may be used unwittingly even if they think they're not. There is no neutrality in this war of words. The truth is really the victim here. It wouldn't surprise me that both sides are spewing lies and propaganda with the truth sandwiched somewhere in between.

The FanPosts are solely the subjective opinions of Bloody Elbow readers and do not necessarily reflect the views of Bloody Elbow editors or staff.

Comment 10 comments  |  3 recs  | 

Do you like this story?

Comments

Display:

I made this point last night, and here’s how Luke responded:

I’m more than willing to be a pawn in this negotiations if it means we see Fedor vs. Brock in the UFC.

by Jahbulon on Jul 30, 2009 6:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Luke was open about what side he’s taking. My problem is with the so-called “neutral” party who has already taking a side while trumpeting neutrality.

Everyone has a source. However, to think that somehow his source is more truthful or factual than another’s source is amusing. At the same time, certain media types are accusing each other of being pawns in some scheme trying to one up each other. It’s very much the pot calling the kettle black.

I suggest more of these MMA journalists start digging for the facts rather than accuse each other of being pawns and pointing fingers. And while they’re at it, if they’re not going to question their sources, then they shouldn’t question other people’s sources either.

by cyph on Jul 30, 2009 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Luke is definitely one of the good guys, and I agree 100% with everything else. The rampant hypocrisy has always been the most disturbing thing to me.

by Jahbulon on Jul 30, 2009 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

The last paragraph really sums this whole situation up for me. Why is Snowden’s M1 source more credible than CD’s source? Both sides are reporting what they’re being told, that doesn’t make the other side “wrong”.

by sadface on Jul 30, 2009 6:28 PM EDT reply actions  

In the mind of many MMA “journalists” you’re only a “mouthpiece” if you do it for the UFC. There’s no problem with your buddy the fighter, agent or promoter using you to get their propaganda out there, as long as your buddy isn’t Dana White. Just be sure to keep any emails from forum idiots accusing you of working for the UFC on hand so you can whip them out as “proof” of your independence.

by Jahbulon on Jul 30, 2009 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

You don’t hear that kind of outcry about ESPN’s NFL coverage even though ESPN is in business with the NFL. All those guys would be considered NFL “mouthpieces” by the standards that get tossed around in MMA reporting circles. There is some real issues with MMA journalism all around but it seems like way too many of them have a major problem with thinking their own shit doesn’t stink.

by who me on Jul 30, 2009 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

This whole thing is just silly. Of course this is how it works, and not just because we are on the internet, all news on sports and entertainment ends up getting leaked out like this. In the MMA news world there seems to be a real anti-UFC establishment that likes to call anyone out as UFC shills when they present anything positive and then pretend they are being neutral as they gleefully take the other side with a conviction. Reporters are supposed to report what they hear, it doesn’t matter where the source is or who they work for it’s still news.

by who me on Jul 30, 2009 11:49 PM EDT reply actions  

The truth is really the victim here.

Even a logical analysis of the facts doesnt seem to get you much closer to the truth. I have all but given up on trusting anything I read about MMA…….anywhere. Everybody is vying for more exposure and greater success and will do or say whatever they need to to achieve it. Somebody is always talking great spin or trying to influence something, promote something, deny something or god knows what else. A propaganda war it is!

by GeeDub on Jul 31, 2009 5:41 AM EDT reply actions  

Just wanted to point out that I worked hard to make sure I heard from both parties. I feel good that my reporting yesterday included input from everyone and wasn’t just a rubber stamp of a statement someone wanted to me to post.

by JSnowden on Jul 31, 2009 8:53 AM EDT reply actions  

Hey Jonathan

In reading this comment, and reading some of the other things you’ve written on this subject in the last few days, I would like to extend you an invitation to come on my radio program at your convenience.

In reading your bio, you make it very clear that your experience and resume are fantastic, and I have heard your book is unparalleled in the MMA community.

I would like to engage in a public conversation of the rights and wrongs of my journalistic decisions, my “rubber stampings”, and being a “UFC mouthpiece”. Obviously, I’d like to spend time on the situation as a whole as well.

If you would like to make arrangements privately, please email me at carmichaeldave@hotmail.com. A google search for your email didnt work, so I am hoping you will either read this, or someone who DOES have your email will forward this to you.

Hopefully, we can both agree that a one on one conversation about this very important subject will serve the public much more than comments on a message board.

Thanks.

CD

by Carmichael Dave on Aug 3, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Comments For This Post Are Closed


User Tools

"I don't want to knock my opponent out. I want to hit him, step away and watch him hurt" - Joe Frazier

FanPosts

Community blog posts and discussion.

Recommended FanPosts

Gonzo_fist_small
Random Nick Diaz Shops
My_avy_small
Roger Gracie signs with the UFC
Lebowski_excited_grin_small
The History of Subo: the bans, warnings, and mockings.
Bros
Nick Diaz: Hero to Millions
Favritegotevj9_small
An Open Letter to Nick Diaz

Recent FanPosts

Obp_small
Nick Diaz - The Musical
Small
Pot can be a performance enhancer (serious thread)
Nate-diaz-double-bird_small
How Would Today's Top Kickboxers Do In MMA?
Ri_small
How does the PRIDE compare to present day UFC?
Jerryrice_small
Gratitude: Why no one should still hate the UFC
Shogun_logo_small
UFC’s hope of stadium show in Sao Paulo appears to be dead
Me_small
2012 and Onward: More Free Events, Fewer Pay Per Views Key for UFC Success
Me_2_small
Muay Thai Champion Irshaad Sayed Thinks Win over Jessie Rafols Could Launch his MMA Career

+ New FanPost All FanPosts >

MMA Rankings

USA Today / SB Nation Consensus MMA Rankings