Details Emerging on Strikeforce Offer to M-1, Fedor Emelianenko (With Update on UFC Offer)
by Luke Thomas on Jul 30, 2009 4:05 PM EDT
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Let the speculation begin.
According to Chad Dukes of The Lavar Arrington Show With Chad Dukes on 106.7 The Fan and announced on air today, a source apparently is telling him that the deal Strikeforce has offered Fedor Emelianenko and M-1 would be for $1 million per fight: $500k from Strikeforce and $500k from CBS for 6 fights (not sure about what happens when he doesn't fight on CBS or perhaps these are all CBS fights?). Any fight would be co-promoted with M-1 and the contract would be non-exclusive. While I was adamant yesterday about the UFC's offer being excellent for Emelianenko, if these details are true the Strikeforce deal is excellent as well. It certainly isn't as financially lucrative as what the UFC has put together, but the clear obstacle of co-promotion is entirely removed.
Here's the rub: Five Knuckles is reporting something similar, but slightly different:
A source close to Emelianenko's camp has informed FiveKnuckles.com that Emelianenko has received an offer from Strikeforce which includes a non-exclusive contract for between $500,000 and $700,000 per fight, guaranteed exposure on CBS shows and a cut of any PPV event he was a part of.
I suppose this could actually be the same offer since a six-fight deal with Emelianenko implies a few of those fights would likely be on Showtime or PPV and not all CBS. The only detail I can add is that this is all similar to what I've been hearing and in fact, more lucrative. Stay tuned for information as it streams in.
Oh yeah, and does anyone else get the feeling that the UFC's mostly laissez-faire attitude towards Strikeforce is about to come to a screeching halt? It's just a guess and I don't blame Strikeforce for trying to capture the sport's top free agent when the opportunity presents itself, but I don't think it comes without significant reprisal. There is no such thing as a free lunch.
UPDATE by Kid Nate: Some more from the Fedor/M-1 side of the fence per Jonathan Snowden:
“The actual guarantee offered Fedor was less than $2 million. The other money would only come into play if the PPV’s did extremely well,” Snowden said. “Fedor was not offered a $5 million guarantee. It is also important for the entire Russian crew to have a chance to help grow the sport there. Although Fedor can make more money now in the UFC than he likely can elsewhere, it wouldn’t allow an opportunity to expand Russian MMA.”
and:
-Offer was only for three fights, not six as originally reported.
-The guarantee per fight was *less* than Fedor’s contract with Affliction.
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Then don’t post anything. Stop being a child we can all this this is just one of those BS “first” posts. Theres soo many comments flying around we don’t need thing BS mucking it up.
haha, whatever....
what i ment was that all this going on is really getting old, im tired of this and what is there to be said???
i’m probably going to be hammered for this but Fedor is not worth this kind of money for strikeforce, he is not going to draw blockbuster money, afflictions ticket sales prove that
He’s only making twice what Kimbo Slice made. And now he buys Strikeforce the credibility of the world’s #1 heavyweight, plus the marketing machine of EA on its side.
EA MMA: Fedor vs. _______ might be a sports franchise with major upside.
- the world’s # heavyweight that MOST casual MMA fans have no idea who he is, hell, I would argue that a lot of casual MMA fans don’t know who Strikeforce is either, lol
- yes, the EA. so brilliant they turned down the opportunity to do business with the number #1 MMA organization in the world only to be left with a handful of semi-recognizable fighters to put their marketing machine behind. good luck with that.
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1. Kimbo Slice got pretty popular pretty quickly through CBS exposure.
2. People who don’t watch football know who John Madden is. Every so often, a company not run by Dana White can do something well. EA is one of those companies.
Also EA: THQ as UFC: Aflliction…I’m just saying.
Apples vs. Oranges
I get what you are trying to say, but it just doesn’t make sense.
John Madden is to football as ?? is to MMA.
John Madden was a figurehead in American football (as a color commentator) for 30 years and the Madden NFL video game series have been around since 1988. Seriously? That’s your argument? Your comparing a mainstream American sport with deep roots in American history to a sport that is struggling to be accepted in mainstream media and is less than 20 years old? Really?
I am a definitely a video game player, and admittedly, I am no expert on the industry, but your comparison would lead one to believe you think EA and THQ. I like THQ and have played many of their games, but aren’t they the same video game company that missed bankruptcy by a hair? Your comparison would also lead one to believe that the UFC and Affliction are comparable as MMA organizations.
To that I say, “Nyet!”
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No, my point is that EA Sports was able to turn John Madden into an ICON among people that didn’t even know about his football history, because of how well it marketed him and the games. I’m not comparing the sports…I’m showing that EA knows how to market people and video games.
Also, I’m saying that the comparison between THQ — the same video game company that missed bankruptcy by a hair — and Affliction — the MMA company that didn’t make it is an ironic one, considering that EA in the video game sphere is a market leader on par with the UFC in the MMA sphere.
EA=UFC?
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by Blackout612 on Jul 30, 2009 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Good find!
'He built his whole reputation as a waffle house chef. They’ve been serving him up ham and eggs with a side of canned tomatoes' - Don Frye on Fedor Emelianenko
by Well Read Idiot on Jul 31, 2009 8:41 AM EDT up reply actions
About EA's brillance.
I’ve seen the news of the MMA game being reported already on every gaming sites I go, the MMA game is often discussed on the very UFC undisputed forum. There aren’t any pictures, not even artworks, but I hear about the game already. It’s because it’s EA, gamers recognize EA. I don’t own any EA game, not one, but I know the power behind the brand as I know of every one of their big titles. Not saying it’s gonna be a huge hit, but if they want gamers to know about Fedor, they will.
You don't look like a Tanaka.
Its not relevant the same way an MMA game without the UFC tag on it wont be relevant. Just because EA sports is backing it doesnt make it relevant.
Let me clarify: EA doesnt have the power to push a pretty big sport like Rugby, with all the liscensing and team names they want, there for, ther are in no position to push MMA. which is a much smaller sport and they have no licenses.
People have no idea whos on the cover of EA’s rugby game theres no chance in hell they are gonna know who the fuck fedor is just because hes on the cover of “EA MMA”
With the UFC in place thats true. There was a market and the UFC ate it up. Someone else would have been there. Don’t drink the Dana White Kool aid. He aint Jesus
1, no one stepped in while SEG was losing money or offered to buy it from them, several people bounced out of the business pre-Zuffa also.
2. None of that is really relevant, no one cares about EA’s Rugby game, no one cares about EA’s arena football game, because those aren’t huge sports in the US. EA"s non-UFC mma game falls into the same category.
How’s the Fedor Kool aid tasting these days?
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 30, 2009 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Pride ran itself like a carny show?
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 30, 2009 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions
^win
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I don't know...
He gets all this money, but he obliterates people on national television? I think he could legitimately get some people interested if Coker markets him correctly.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 30, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
And that is the motivating factor behind this deal. With CBS/Showtime having money and multiple TV outlets, Coker will have all the tools needed to build Fedor into a star in America.
Except the UFC brand, which is worth five times Fedor and Strikeforce’s name brands combined.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 30, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
What did you think of the last CBS/Strikeforce show?
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Well-played, sir.
Don’t worry…when BJ Penn signs with M-1, I’ll get the last laugh. They’ll get him his arena show in Hawaii…
All BJ has to do is beat Kenny and his next fight will be in Aloha Stadium.
I know you were joking, but how sick would that be?
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 30, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, M-1 will do a great job of promoting, just like they did with Affliction.
Also, they have all those great LW fighters for BJ to face…
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Oh don’t get me wrong Subo. I still think M1 is out of their minds stupid for holding onto the “co-promotion” idea. The things they could do and the money they could make for themselves would be ten times greater than anything anyone else can offer them. But if that’s the deal breaker, then so be it. Strikeforce is going to offer M1 exactly what they want.
Exactly
I mean, that’s what Dana was going to do- market him effectively. That’s why he’s worth the money to the UFC. The only reason he’s not a super star here is exposure. CBS gives him all the exposure he could ever need. And no elbows on the ground.
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I agree with your point, I think if Strikeforce signs Fedor, Dana White’s war on Strikeforce will commence.
agreed
coker should be looking over his shoulder right now, but this deal will probably be enough to bust them anyway, just like bo-dog and affliction, which sucks b/c i really like strikeforce.
Sure it’s a lot of money, but i don’t think it’s something Showtime would bother backing if they didn’t think they could’nt afford it.
affliction backed it so did bodog, whats to say strikeforce is going to end up any different. Most casual fans I know who watched to strikeforce events described it as a cheap knock off of the ufc.
The difference is that Affliction started their company assbackwards, paying people loads of money for no real reason. So far, Strikeforce (Coker) has shown they know how to run a MMA promotion. Plus, as i said, they have more TV outlets (CBS, Showtime) than Affliction and Bodog did.
Does that make sense?
No, “SO FAR” the key words. If strikeforce signs Fedor they are not running their company the right way. Competing with the UFC is an auto-fail and not the way to run a company.
nope, the reason they arent getting crushed by the ufc is just because of that reason. They arent comepeting with them by signing the best fighters in the world. They are signing lesser known fighters and ufc castoffs and making them their own.
Signing fedor goes completeley against their buisness model not to mention now Dana is gonna kill them.
if it goes anything like their war on affliction...
… it’ll mean more free ufc on spike. i got no problem with that.
Less than Affliction? You mean the promotion that just folded after massive financial losses? How dare they!!
If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.
SF can use Fedor much more than the UFC, imo. While UFC certainly would have benefited, his signing would probably not make them that much more successful than they already are, but SF certainly can be elevated.
lets see, AO, Rogers, Werdum, repeat? Don’t get me wrong, Rogers and Werdum are both very solid matches and I personally feel AO is the best fight out there not involving Lesner. The problem is, what after that? AA? Sylvia?
Will making this financial commitment to Fedor, hinder SF’s ability to sign several other good fighters who may become available?
If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.
They only have 4 heavyweights , so how can they use Fedor much more than the UFC? This is Fedor’s downfall man. He beats 3 HW’s (who are considered good) and then after that fights a bunch of “can’s” and here comes the shit talk (which I wouldn’t blame people for doing so)
by poundnground on Jul 30, 2009 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions
When I say they can use him, I mean they can benefit from having him in their promotion. They have a lot to gain and a lot of room to grow.
The UFC wouldn’t have as much to gain, not that they also wouldn’t benefit to a degree from having Fedor on board.
If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.
Strikeforce has painted a bullseye on its side
This was a powerfully stupid move by Coker.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 30, 2009 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
You know, im thinking Scott knew it was only a matter of time before the UFC would go after him. SF has managed to nab a network TV station a major premium cable station and has slowly built it’s roster to the point they don’t have musical fighters every event like Affliction did.
They still can’t compete. They still don’t have a very good roster. 6 months deep of matchups, even with Afflictions guys they got.
by AlwaysRelaxing on Jul 30, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
This is ridiculous
Why on Earth would Dana go after Strikeforce sans this deal?
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 30, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
subo, you just need to go with the flow.
Dana is going after Strikeforce.. just say that slowly. Even though it’s absurd.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 30, 2009 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the only reason I have so many damn comments here is that I don’t do that more often.
Spinning this as ‘what a brilliant first move by Coker!’ is making my eyes throb.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 30, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Also, Strikeforce has proven that you can pull a Cung Le or an Overeem and not defend the title for a year, and they’ll still promote you. That means that it could be 2 years before he fights those 3 fights on CBS.
Very true… And not very good for the fans.
by AlwaysRelaxing on Jul 30, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
July 4, 2010. Zuffa completes buyout of Strikeforce promotion.
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by BJJDenver on Jul 30, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Strikefoce needs to tread VERY carefully here…they’ve done so well by not going out of their way to get top talent, and growing their own stars…banking on Fedor, along with EA may be great, or it could spell disaster for their company.
It’s a gamble, but it’s one I would take in that position.
Dosen’t change the fact that I’d like to break my foot off in Vadim’s ass for not liking the fact that the UFC wants nothing to do with all the other Russian fighters that ride Fedor’s coat tails…just more money for M-1…it’s such a fucking scam.
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Another promotion banking on Fedor, another promotion setting itself for failure. If Fedor loses while at strikeforce, it’s game over man, game over.
The UFC could actually take that Fedor money and buy all the other HW at Strikeforce now that I think about it.
If Strikeforce signs Fedor, it’s going to be the shot heard around the world. The UFC will take of the kiddy gloves, and KTFO Strikeforce. Counter programming, buying up talent, bidding wars. If the stars align, Strikeforce could be looking at huge profit and expansion (presuming Strikeforce and Fedor are all HEAVYILY involved in the EA game, and the game does well…which is unlikely in my opinion.) that could set them up to truly combat the UFC. But…if the UFC gets a network TV deal…if thats what the big announcement is tomorrow…it’s over before it even begins.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Jul 30, 2009 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
No, but that’s what they’ve done here – they have done the one thing that you can’t do if you want to make it in the MMA promoting game, and that’s compete with the UFC for free agents.
I’m going to miss Strikeforce.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 30, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly, and that is the last thing they want, for damn sure.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Jul 30, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Dammit Snowden...
Quit slowrolling the news. I have to re-edit shit I already wrote.
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Blame people who keep calling me and saying “and…and..and”
Also, some issues with language came intot play.
What? You don’t speak Russian? Amateur hour, Snowden. You’re killing me.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 30, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Hahaha.
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by Rundownloser on Jul 30, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
You are the most interesting man alive...
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by Leland Roling on Jul 30, 2009 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Stay thirsty my friends
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by ufc4 on Jul 30, 2009 5:12 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
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If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.
If Strikeforce goes on CBS, the UFC will consider them direct competition and beat them up bad. They don’t have enough money to compete with the UFC. The UFC will steal all of it’s stars by offering double and not blinking an eye. Strikeforce will be left with Frank Shamrock and Fedor Emelianenko. That’s it.
The UFC will steal all of it’s stars by offering double..
I dunno where you got that. Strikeforce isn’t some lowly, near bankrupt company. The UFC can pull that stuff on dying promotions, but not Strikeforce.
Do you think Strikeforce is making a lot of money? They are not. On the other hand, Zuffa has millions to play with to protect their turf.
by AlwaysRelaxing on Jul 30, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
It would take Showtime investing a ton of money to take on the UFC, something I don’t think they have any interest in doing.
If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.
No promotion
or business man should fuck with the UFC. Dana doesn’t play nice. Cuban and Trump ran like lil girls AWAY from MMA when Dana took the gloves off.
Yes, and Strikeforce has no where near the amount of capital that the UFC does…the UFC could easily outbid Strikeforce at every chance it had. The poin here is, Strikeforce got to where it is by smart business, and being wise with its assests. If Strikeforce tries to bid with the UFC, they will be shut down, hard. They don’t have 1/4 of the money the UFC has, not counting sponsorship deals that they would get in the UFC, and possibility of good PPV percentages.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Jul 30, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Not to mention the UFC has Brock Lesnar, Tito Ortiz, Kimbo Slice as true draws. And then they have a bunch of other guys who are very well known to fight fans.
Strikeforce has absolutely none of this.
by AlwaysRelaxing on Jul 30, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly, Strikeforce’s bread and butter is putting on good fights for local fans, and the hardcores. Bringing in Fedor and co-promoting with M-1 is going a different direction, a direction they haven’t gone in before…and I don’t think it would end well for them.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Jul 30, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Not to mention the UFC has Brock Lesnar, Tito Ortiz, Kimbo Slice as true draws.
So that’s your argument for why I should be rooting for Affliction?
Not rooting…. But it’s obvious who has the star power. Strikeforce should have gone after Tito Ortiz. Ortiz is worth $2 Million a fight when you think about how many fans he brings in. Fedor isn’t even worth $1 Million…. even if CBS is footing part of the bill.
And CBS will not take any real risk… so if M-1 finds a way to get Stikeforce for money, Strikeforce is the one who will fugger.
by AlwaysRelaxing on Jul 30, 2009 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
If StrikeForce allows a fighters union before the UFC, and continues to run their organization with the fighter’s in mind, they could definitely lure some guys over to their side.
It’s funny how everyone’s on Dana’s side now because he threw all kinds of cash around, but we seem to be forgeting that we’re talking about Dana White. The guy who wants to control everything and crush all who oppose him.
Alot of people don’t want to work for a guy like that. And with men who fight for a living, money isn’t always everything. Respect has a lot to do with it, and alot of the time DW’s actions are very disrespectul to his fighters.
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by RearNakedChoker on Jul 30, 2009 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
No doubt
I know it’s hard to tell from some of my latest posts, but I am a big Strikeforce fan too and I think they are generally a very smart organization who has taken the baby steps to get to where they are now which is a very good place.
Dana has another thing that will make him a force to reckoned with though. Despite his questionable business tactics with his fighters, he still has the most recognizable fighters in the business under the UFC name. Thanks to their exclusivity contractual agreement, we know that they will be there for a while and probably get paid very well to do so. I agree that money is probably not everything to all of these fighters, but you know what? It generally helps. lol
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crap, forgot my point just that quick. damn you herb and all your deliciousness...
What I was trying to say is that MOST fighters want to improve and challenge the best so they can become the best. DW will always have that allure of being the Mt. Olympus of MMA promotions. Even Jake Shields has said he wants to fight in the UFC because he knows he’ll be challenged.
Sorry about the brain fart. :)
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by RearNakedChoker on Jul 30, 2009 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly. Selectively take out a few of their top guys once every 6 months. It will be like a MLB team who is great at getting talent, but loses it to the Yankees or Red Sox every year because they don’t have enough to afford their big contracts once they get good.
by AlwaysRelaxing on Jul 30, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
yes, but
It’s only a matter of time before these guys want to go back to the ultimate proving ground (UFC) and showcase their skills against the world’s best.
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Unlike Fedor.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 30, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
And the slow death of Strikeforce commences...
I hope i’m wrong, but Dana won’t rest until he “burys those cock-a-roaches”
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A lot of you are going on the assumption that MONEY + NONEXCLUSIVITY + CO-PROMOTION is always the cause of these promos going under. The problem is that Fedor may take Co-promoting plus non-exclusivity over HUGE guaranteed money. Promotions may not necessarily need to pump out 1 million guaranteed to him if he can get some sort of PPV revenues or exposure, and the terms that M-1 wants.
Other promotions sent booming salaries right off the bat to compete with other offers. He may take the one that leaves him non-exclusivity along with working with M-1.
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“Promotions may not necessarily need to pump out 1 million guaranteed to him if he can get some sort of PPV revenues or exposure, and the terms that M-1 wants.”
Apparently not because the one place that can offer him both a PPV cut and a ton of exposure is the UFC and he turned them down. Where else can he get both those things?
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by ufc4 on Jul 30, 2009 3:42 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Did you read a word of what I wrote?
Both those things? He doesn’t want both those things. He want CO-PROMOTION. Obviously, co-promotion is a huge deal if we had an entire fucking press conference yesterday devoted to telling everyone how co-promotion is the “biggest fucking thing ever” for Fedor.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 30, 2009 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
According to mmalogic, it’s so he can get money out of Fedor and pay him less….. It’s for no other reason. It’s a scam.
by AlwaysRelaxing on Jul 30, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
According to mmalogic, Fedor is signing with the UFC.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 30, 2009 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Oh Leland, you make me giggle. hahaha
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Jul 30, 2009 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Nobody’s signed anything yet. I can’t believe you’re rooting for Fedor to keep his shtick up.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 30, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
How am I rooting for Fedor?
Yeah, this is what happened when I heard the press conference:
Leland: *Calls buddy" Hey man, guess what! FEDOR TOLD THE UFC FUCK OFF, PARTY AT MY PLACE, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOO!
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by Leland Roling on Jul 30, 2009 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok, so how do you actually feel about this?
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 30, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
You believed that...
that is your first mistake.
by Gunslinger20 on Jul 30, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
One thing is for sure
In the end M-1 will be the one’s coming back to Dana hoping they still have that amazing offer on the table, Dana will laugh in their face and tell them to fuck off. M-1’s co-promoting bs is the killer of ORGS. They have NOTHING to offer but a fighter, FEDOR.
“-The guarantee per fight was less than Fedor’s contract with Affliction.”
This is misleading, he may technically be guaranteed a bit less than with Affliction but with his PPV cut he is going to make a minimum of an extra million per fight and up to two or three million if he fights Lesnar or Couture. Any UFC PPV is going to sell 400,000 or so even if he fights a no-name, that money might not technically be guaranteed but he’s gonna get it.
I don’t think they’re actually going to let him kill me... And if he does kills me, book sales will really go up. Boom…win-win, bitch.- Forrest Griffin on Anderson Silva
by ufc4 on Jul 30, 2009 3:40 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Look.
Every single person that knows who Fedor Emelianenko is and is willing to pay to see him fight outside the UFC already subscribes to Showtime. There is zero in it for Strikeforce.
I just don’t fucking get it. Scott Coker, if you’re there, look at the history of people that signed Fedor to fight for them. It’s like a train wreck in the middle of a genocide.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 30, 2009 3:41 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
OR
They order Showtime the night of the fights and cancel it the next day. And I agree with you Subo, I think this might end up being a double edged sword for Strikeforce. It may hurt them in the long run. M-1 doesn’t seem like a bunch of savory fellows.
Touche sir.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 30, 2009 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
How many people visit their local torrent site and download Showtime fights?
>13million. :-)
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Shit, I order every rinky-dink MMA PPV that Comcast carries and I still won’t shell out for Showtime. I don’t mind paying $100/month for like 8 hours of shows, but round-the-clock shoes I don’t watch for $15? F THAT.
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What are "round-the-clock shoes"?
Shoes you wear to bed?
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by ufc4 on Jul 30, 2009 5:17 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Shoes I wear when my stupid iPhone screws up the auto-correct, evidently.
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Do you find yourself thinking your computer will auto-correct when you’re typing on it and keep double-tapping the spacebar to end a sentence? Cuz I do.
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Give me a break...
PRIDE didn’t die due to Fedor, and BodogFIGHT was already going down.
You could make the claim for Affliction, but most Japanese promotions went under for different reasons.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 30, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Correct…. But his name value couldn’t keep the company afloat.
Brock Lesnar is so powerful as a PPV draw, that even if the UFC had the worst business in the world, they would still be in business while promoting Lesnar.
Fedor has no drawing power.
by AlwaysRelaxing on Jul 30, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, it’d be tough to keep PRIDE afloat when the network deal gets cut due to Yakuza ties. Bodog was just a piece of shit period. Name recognition couldn’t save that terribly run garbage disposal.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 30, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
If you are a big enough star, companies have a way of staying in business for you.
He couldn’t save RINGS or Affliction or Inoki’s show either…..
by AlwaysRelaxing on Jul 30, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
RINGS? LOL, are you kidding me? The rules couldn’t keep RINGS alive.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 30, 2009 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
HAHAHA Rings! That’s beautiful… an up and coming fighter (at the time) is supposed to keep a shitty organization alive with the big boys (FEG) coming to play?
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He was the Open-Weight and Heavyweight Champion of RINGS when it went out of business.
Find out the facts before you laugh at somebody else.
by AlwaysRelaxing on Jul 30, 2009 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
How are you even continuing with this? RINGS… it was basically the infancy of MMA. How is he going to keep it afloat?
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by Leland Roling on Jul 30, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
The point is that for every organization he has been champion of, his name value could not bring in enough money to keep it afloat. Obviously each had their own issues, but Fedor Emelianenko as the main event has no selling power. Not in Russia, Japan, or US.
by AlwaysRelaxing on Jul 30, 2009 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Godbo couldn’t save Bodog. Coker has a good thing going. Why do this?
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 30, 2009 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Not yet
But he could gain some. The UFC is pretty much guaranteed to stay in business. There’s no such guarantee for Strikeforce.
It's more about M-1
Than Fedor though. Sleep with dogs and you will get fleas. Just assumption on my part but they don’t seem like good business partners. Also, who else thinks that we’ve seen the birth of the first super agent in MMA in Vadim? He’s like Boras and Rosenhaus all rolled into one.
I don’t understand how Strikeforce signing Fedor is an afront, challenge,or whatever to the UFC. is it nothing more than one organization\company trying to build? Should they just scour the Cuckoo’s Nest for their next signee? Strikeforce would seem to have a much better infrastructure and business plan than Bodog or Affliction. If other fighters see an expanding and consistent talent pool, good money, and a company that does not rule with an iron, draconian fist, they may be tempted to jump ship. Randy v Fedor on CBS!
it may not bstrikeforce’s idea of a challenge but dana will take it as such and use everything in his resources to crush them.f ufc starts to be regularly featured on espn and abc and strikeforce stops pulling in revenue from their fight cards then strikeforce will die a slow,agonizing, and unnecessary death
I'm not sure...
That he’s worth the money but I’m glad that he’ll be on CBS and I can watch him for free. If I were Fedor I’d take the Strikeforce deal as well, you get everything you want without much risk involved. The one thing that Fedor and company need to watch out for is burning bridges with the UFC. If something happens to Strikeforce or if Fedor ever wants to come to the UFC for other reasons he’s not going to get such a good offer, if he gets one at all. I have a feeling this was his last chance. Another thing, he just lost whatever chance he had beating Brock and facing off against Randy. I don’t think Fedor is big on competition.
by dedstrk316 on Jul 30, 2009 3:42 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
But ther is one huge risk...
Being unemployed after two fights… A company that files for chapter “fucked in the ass” bunkruptcy doesn’t have to honor their contracts.
by Screwface on Jul 30, 2009 6:58 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I was saying this yesterday...
That if Strikeforce picks up Fedor, this whole Dana White is happy for Strikeforce will come to an end. He will go head to head with them just like he did with Affliction and EXC.
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by AlwaysRelaxing on Jul 30, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I’m sure Strikeforce is very careful not to be too successful. Avoiding the wrath of Dana is worth far more than revenue and profit growth.
unless...
Coker already knows that they will be the UFC’s next target no matter what and needs to make a move fast.
Yikes
I need a tinfoil hat thingy stat. Dana loves Strikeforce.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 30, 2009 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
No, it wasn't - that's sheer projection
King of the Cage, Ring of Fire, Warriors Collide! – all local MMA promotions that hum along and put on quality fights without being fucked with by the UFC. Why? Because they don’t compete for free agents – they send their guys to the Big Show with their blessings. Strikeforce has made a fatal mistake if this deal gets signed – which it hasn’t yet.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 30, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 30, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
But didn’t KotC get their name back when PE went South?
If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.
I thought King of the Cage was just bought out, but acted as their own promotion still under the PE banner.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 30, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
KOTC is still around – PE picked up a bunch of regional orgs’ assets and then did fuck-all with them until they went tits up.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 30, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Dana LOVED Strikeforce
Strikeforce exists because Dana allows it to. Plain and simple. And company the UFC wants to put out of business is gone. They just have to flex their muscle.
With the exception of DREAM and Sengoku. DREAM has K-1’s backing and Sengoku has corporate backing.
by AlwaysRelaxing on Jul 30, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey, it didn’t save them from overpaying fighters.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 30, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry, I felt I had to say it, lol.
If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.
Without Kimbo, the CBS Show was a rating nightmare. So bad that the October show had to be successful for there to even be another one. That’s how bad it is.
by AlwaysRelaxing on Jul 30, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s still a fair point.
How many Edor returns commercials were there during the last CBS card? Every Edor returns commercial was an ad that cbs/elite/whoever couldn’t sell until right before the event.
The backing of CBS and Showtime means nothing, especially if Dana says the UFC is going to be on ABC tomorrow.
That is the thing. Yes, technically SF has a shit ton of money and power behind them. however, how willing and committed is Showtime/CBS to using it on mma?
If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.
Strikeforce will have Showtime/CBS’s full support as long as Fedor doesn’t get KO’d by a can or Dana doesn’t counter-program them w/Brock, Tito and Randy on ABC.
If either of those things happen, Showtime and CBS execs will shit their pants and slowly back out of the room….again.
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by MyFistYourFace on Jul 30, 2009 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Fedor isn't the bad guy in this.
In fact, there are no bad guys in this whole fiasco. Its two businesses trying to do whats best for their company.
It is clear that money is far from being the most important factor in Fedor’s decision. He obviously has a strong interest in increasing MMA exposure in his home country, as well as having an invested stake into the process. When I have spoken to my Russian friends, they all tell me that MMA is waaaaay behind boxing in Russia, and Fedor is far from being the national hero as many Americans make him out to be.
I do not blame him for trying to increase MMA attention in his own country – we shouldn’t expect him to care about American interests. He will just become popular in America if he joins the UFC – but he has the potential to significantly impact the MMA landscape if he has his RUSSIAN company promoting big MMA events.
And we all need to remember that Fedor has done enought to prove himself as the greatest HW fighter of all time. He has nothing left to prove – and anyone that thinks otherwise has obviously only started paying attention to MMA in the past year.
As much as I would love to see Fedor in the UFC, I understand his reasoning for not going through with the deal. Just as I completely understand why UFC won’t allow co-promotion.
by neyvit on Jul 30, 2009 3:45 PM EDT reply actions 8 recs
Wow, look… it’s a view against subo’s. Rec’d.
In seriousness, this is a solid stance. I like it.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 30, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
You have Fedor posters too, don’t you.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 30, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Nah, but Affliction sent me Fedor vs. Barnett posters. Now collector’s items.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 30, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Pretty much everything with Fedor’s face on it is a collector’s item, as the companies with rights to his image are by and large kaput.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 30, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
They also sent me a free t-shirt, but it was funny… it was printed all fucked up, hence why it was probably free. The back of it says Barnett vs. Fedor, and it’s all off center.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 30, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
No fair...
…all I got was the poster & a stack of those cards. You got a shirt TOO?! lol
Trade ya my Affliction Josh Barnett shirt for it.
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Just curious, would being the top fighter in the world’s premier mma promotion not increase the exposure of mma in Russia?
If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.
The problem with that is literally NOBODY in Russia cares or has heard about the UFC. The only time MMA is even mentioned in Russia is when Fedor wins a fight – and thats because Russians love to hear about their supremacy over other countries.
But I would assume that with the UFC putting on shows in Europe and soon, Asia, they will get more and more coverage. With Fedor as their Champ (assuming), I would think putting a show in Russia wouldn’t be far behind. Perhaps this is what Finkie is trying to avoid?
If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.
Perhaps my ass – I don’t think Finkie is as committed to free market principles as he claims. Competition in the US, monopoly in Russia – quite the racket, if you ask me.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 30, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m pretty sure ‘Fedor to come to America, fight 4-1 disrespectful hick in UFC’ would garner some fucking press in Ruskieland.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 30, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
No, no, no… subo.
The headline would be "Fedor to crush “Rocky Balboa” type redneck on Saturday… Blitzkrieg!!!"
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by Leland Roling on Jul 30, 2009 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I kinda doubt they’d say Blitzkrieg though…just saying.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Jul 30, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Please tell me right now… that you didn’t take that headline seriously.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 30, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
The point stands – Fedor coming to the UFC would be huge in Russia.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 30, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe. I’d lean toward that being true over not being true. I’ll give you that.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 30, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Nobody said M-1 couldn't have events!
The UFC (apparently) offered M-1 a PPV cut and the ability to advertise on Fedor in the Octagon in front of millions and millions of people. Nobody said M-1 couldn’t have events everywhere in the world – they’re just not going to co-promote (which would be an abandonment of the business model that got them where they are) and they’re not going to let Fedor fight for them.
Hey look, another MMA promotion depending on one fighter for survival. I wonder how that will work out.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 30, 2009 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Strikeforce is better off than those other promotions were, though. Scott Coker is no dummy.
by a tommy point on Jul 30, 2009 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
This is a stupid move by Coker – you’re spending millions of dollars to make a billion dollar enemy.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 30, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Coker has a network TV deal secured and isn’t an incompetent boob like every member of the Shaw family. Adding Fedor to the Strikeforce roster does nothing but help to legitimize the promotion.
The report states that CBS could be paying half of Fedor’s purse. Seems like a good way for Coker to protect himself and Strikeforce.
I don’t see how this is all gloom and doom for Strikeforce just because they inch up the MMA ladder some more. Still a long, long way to go before they pose a serious threat to the UFC brand.
by a tommy point on Jul 30, 2009 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
They’re trying to set themselves up as the counterweight to the UFC. This is stupid.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 30, 2009 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
The point is that it’s unclear if Strikeforce is successful because of Scott Coker or because of Scott Coker’s business plan. In other words, we don’t know if Coker will be successful running a more ambitious version of Strikeforce. It could be that their success is entirely due to their heretofore modest ambitions…or it could be that Coker is smart and talented enough to make it work as a serious competitor to UFC.
by An Old Friend on Jul 30, 2009 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Rec’d.
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by Rundownloser on Jul 30, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
this can’t be stated enough. I’ll be disappointed if Fedor is not in the UFC but as long as he signs with an org where he can fight meaningful competition I’m okay with it.
Fringe top ten heavyweights are not ‘meaningful competition’.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 30, 2009 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
not to mention...
If they were fighting in the UFC they wouldnt even be fringe top ten
Be a man, not a child-Phil Anselmo
No, they’d be top 10, after getting wins over Heath Herring, Cheick Kongo, or Gabriel Gonzaga.
by madiq on Jul 30, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
with the opportunity to fight
Cro Cop, Frank Mir, Randy Cotoure, Brock Lesnar, Rodrigo Noguerra, Shane Carwin, Cain Velasquez, etc…
I'm like PacMan fightin you silly kids... throw ya Hatton the ring, and get knocked outlike Ricky did.
lol.
I have been paying attention
to MMA for more than a year. That is why I know the following:
Barenett wasn’t a #2 HW
AA wasn’t a #2 HW
Zulu was awesome
The Chicken Gumbo fight was a classic.
The sport evolves. Fedor does need to prove to me that he is #1 still. Matt Hughes ruled with an iron fist. If he ducked all the new top guys people wouldn’t be yelling “He has already proved he is the greatest ever. He doesn’t have to fight anyone else.” The torch was passed to GSP. Now the question is "Would a Hughes (in his prime) beat a GSP in his prime?
We just want the same thing with Fedor. Personally I think the new breed of HW will eat him. I could be wrong. BUT THAT IS WHY I WANT TO WATCH THE FIGHTS.
by Riney on Jul 30, 2009 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Geez, I can’t keep this stuff straight.. Oh well, time to re-evaluate.
Should we assume the 6 fight thing came from Carmichael Dave’s source including the champion’s clause as part of the deal? If so, that makes the deal somewhat less appealing, even though the pay could end up being the same. It’s still the stronger offer, I feel, considering how much exposure there is to be had in the UFC.
As for Strikeforce’s deal, it’s not too shabby. Decent chunk of change for Fedor, while M-1’s demands are met. Hrmm.
What could be really fun for fans is if the UFC does indeed end up with an ABC deal. Then a nice little MMA network television battle could ensue. CBS and Strikeforce would proclaim that they have the best fighter on the planet, so we should watch their shows. While the UFC could simply say they’re the NFL of MMA, watch us on ABC. Unless they program on different nights and ruin my little scenario.
…Old news?
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Jul 30, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, old. 24 hours is super old at this point LOL
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For as much as I’m on this site, yeah, it’s old news. haha
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Jul 30, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Rumored since Monday... kind of old but confirmed.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 30, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
God, it’s nice reading a Fedor thread without all the ’I’ll never watch him fight again if it’s not in the UFC’ BS. Frickin cry-babies….
Ok, so real question: what does co-promotion entail? I see all the speculation about it means paying Vadim off. But I mean on fight night, how is it different than what the UFC offered, to let them wear all the M1 garabage they want? Is it just a matter of the announcer saying ’M1’s Fedor’?
Cut of the PPV is already in fedor’s salary structure offer by the UFC…does M1 want another cut maybe?
I’m not buying a non-UFC Fedor fight again – and I bought two. I’m done.
M1 was offered another cut above and beyond Fedor’s. They turned it down. Co-promotion means ‘UFC and M-1 Global present Fedor/Lesnar’ – and would represent Zuffa setting fire to the very model that made them what they are.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 30, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I’m not buying a non-UFC Fedor fight again – and I bought two. I’m done.
Good thing you’ll be able to see him fight for free then…
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by jemaleddin on Jul 30, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Sane people aren’t expecting the UFC to put co-promotion on the table. Just because Strikeforce is willing to, doesn’t mean the UFC needs to fracture an empire.
I just want to see Fedor fight. Brock would’ve been nice, but there are other fish in the sea.
by a tommy point on Jul 30, 2009 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Other, less dangerous fish.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 30, 2009 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Every potential opponent for Fedor is less dangerous than Brock. He’s the new #2 HW for a reason. Though, I’d still pick Nog to beat him.
by a tommy point on Jul 30, 2009 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I would give Carwin a better chance than anyone outside the UFC based on his one-punch power.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 30, 2009 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Beat someone better than Paul Buentello and we’ll talk.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 30, 2009 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Do Cro Cop’s balls count as people?
You know he had that fight, right?
by a tommy point on Jul 30, 2009 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I can’t give a guy credit for a no contest. He had a decision if he hadn’t done that, sure, but either finish or win or you get no credit.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 30, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
ok, but watching him take it to CC should at least show you where he is as a fighter right now.
Outside of Brock, I truly see AO as the most compelling fight for Fedor. Not the biggest, just the toughest, etc.
Of course after that, it drops severely. Werdum is a good fight, but not overly interesting. rogers is somewhere in the middle for me.
but there are several interesting matches in the UFC, which is why him not signing, sucks for us.
If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.
That’s like discrediting Gomi’s crap performance against Diaz because it was overturned.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Jul 30, 2009 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions
All this talk about Fedor
Has made him the top 10 searches on the front page of Yahoo
LOL...
He has no name recognition, but we’re creating it. ON WITH THE DISCUSSION.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 30, 2009 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
They didn’t know it back in the 70s, but the internet was made for MMA fans. We run this thing.
by a tommy point on Jul 30, 2009 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Russian MMA
How can co-promoting events in USA help Russian MMA?
http://www.mmarocks.pl
https://twitter.com/mmarocks_pl
It wouldn’t necessarily help Russian MMA. M-1 is going global, hence why it’s M-1 Global. It would help M-1 Global’s stance in the MMA promotion landscape.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 30, 2009 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Or kill them. You know, whichever.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 30, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Do you know how many M-1 Challenge shows were actually staged in Russia this year? None
They held only 5 really poor M-1 Selection shows in St. Petersburg. I guess it’s not what people would call “growing a sport”
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Hence why I said… they are going GLOBAL. G-L-O-B-A-L
Russia is a shithole for MMA, and that’s why they decided GLOBAL was the better way to go.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 30, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
What is going on
In fact, the UFC made a much lesser offer than what was reported.
6 millions for 3 fights instead of 30 millions for 5. The gap is enormous.
And now, Strikeforce is bringing 6 millions in 6 fights, co promotion, non exclusivity.
Strikeforce will knock out the UFC on Fedor it seems.
Wrong. “Where’s Zee Germans?”
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by Leland Roling on Jul 30, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Am I the only one that thinks M1 would gain far more by plastering their logo all over the UFC than co-promoting with SF?
If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.
by BJJDenver on Jul 30, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
No.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 30, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
And you have to remember that the five million a fight is just from salary and projected PPV buys. Fighters normally make more on endorsements than they do on salary. M-1 won’t be the only thing on Fedor’s shorts. Can you say swoosh?
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 30, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I think it is just a matter of time before Nike gets in on the US mma market. And where they choose to do so, could tip the balance of power greatly. However, i see them either getting involved with everyone or just the top dog (UFC).
If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.
I’d imagine that advertising on a card on CBS viewed by 5 or 6 million viewers will generate more revenue from sponsors than advertising on a PPV viewed by 1 million viewers.
That was my initial reaction, but the 1 million is ALL your people you want to reach and the 5-6 mil is more casual. In other words, the people that are more likely to seek out a Russian promotion with lesser known fighters, would be the more hardcore fans, imo.
If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.
1 million viewers, was that a joke? If UFC sells a million PPV’s do you think there is only one person watching each one?
I don’t think they’re actually going to let him kill me... And if he does kills me, book sales will really go up. Boom…win-win, bitch.- Forrest Griffin on Anderson Silva
by ufc4 on Jul 30, 2009 5:37 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Depends...
If Fedor fights in UFC you won’t see a M1 logo unless hes is wearing it…the announcers will never mention it, and if Fedor isn’t on the card you will not see it. What I would like to know is, will Strikeforce allow M1 to co-promote even if Fedor isn’t on the card? Or will they pull an Affliction and only have cards when it is his time to fight.
Be a man, not a child-Phil Anselmo
Not to mention...
I could see the UFC telling their camera crews to only shoot head shots of Fedor until he was dis-robed and wasn’t wearing all the M1 swag.
Be a man, not a child-Phil Anselmo
If Fedor isn’t on a SF card you won’t see M-1 on there either, take a look at the Arlovski-Barnett Affliction poster.
I don’t think they’re actually going to let him kill me... And if he does kills me, book sales will really go up. Boom…win-win, bitch.- Forrest Griffin on Anderson Silva
by ufc4 on Jul 30, 2009 5:39 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
6 million (or thereabouts) downside. There is still the ppv money that Fedor would get.
And we are hearing from each side…none of us know the exact details really. Is CBS paying Fedor 500k for PPVs? He would not be fighting on CBS. Maybe it is 1 mil for CBS fights and 500-700k + ppv money for ppvs.
We have heard 3 fights and 6 fights for the UFC. Could it be 3 gauranteed with a pos of 6? It is likely not simply one or the other.
I would also guess these figures are being leaked here to attempt to get the UFC to sweeten the pot. Much like the UFC leaked the initial stuff to pressure Fedor.
I think the odds are that each offer is a good one.
I really can’t handle another day of this…
"Brock Lesnar is a Bi-Polar Bear" and Kevin Lole called me a "clapping seal"
Like July’s going to be another record-setting month?
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 30, 2009 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Like you’re rolling in visits and page-views?
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Rolling in visits and page-views makes my eyes hurt unbelievably.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 30, 2009 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
“Too much traffic to my website” may be the most egregious first world problem ever.
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by jemaleddin on Jul 30, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito Ortiz on Vitor Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on Jul 30, 2009 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
That graphs scale is a little misleading though to the increase in hits. It has gone up more like 30% rather than 5 times like that graph shows.
So quit complaining.
I don’t think they’re actually going to let him kill me... And if he does kills me, book sales will really go up. Boom…win-win, bitch.- Forrest Griffin on Anderson Silva
by ufc4 on Jul 30, 2009 5:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
RIP Strikeforce it was nice while it lasted but you done fucked up by getting in the Fedor business, looks like Dana is going to have another name to put on his mma org tombstone soon.
What?
Signing Fedor will not ruin their business. In fact, the offer is very reasonable.
Affliction was gonna die without Fedor, with paying Arlovski and Sylvia that much.
Yep
But instead we would have seen Arlovski vs Sylvia 4 for the same purse. You can thank Fedor :)
At this point...
I’m laughing my ass off at this whole situation…. we all got duped into thinking Fedor was finally going to fight in the UFC and now we are feeling a massive Kelso BUUUUUURRRRRRRRRRRRNNNNNNNNNNNN!!!
If you throw enough shit against the wall, something is bound to stick… just not this.
Sorry bro...
I don’t see the Fedor fighting in the UFC…
by Gunslinger20 on Jul 30, 2009 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Just stating my opinion…. don’t pull a Vadim and be a total douche about it…
by Gunslinger20 on Jul 30, 2009 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s a damn shame, but I remain hopeful that Coker wisens up.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 30, 2009 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Officially the biggest douche to ever walk the face of this earth…
by Gunslinger20 on Jul 30, 2009 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Wrong.
That title belongs to Gary “Jerry” Millen. It’s not up for discussion.
by a tommy point on Jul 30, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Vadim “Massingale” Finckelstein….. I think there could be a tie for the biggest douche in the planet….
Vadim is a human enema then… the world’s finest in fact.
by Gunslinger20 on Jul 30, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
HELL YEAH!!!!
Thats only about a 25 to 30 min drive for me…. I don’t suppose Toner would be the Muay Thai instructor? Who’s gonna do the BJJ?
by Gunslinger20 on Jul 30, 2009 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m sure Tyler and Duane will be making occasional visits, but I think it will primarily be Vallore, who is training with them full time now.
Head instructor will be Mario Correa, Gracie Barra Blackbelt and a world champion. He will be teaching most of the BJJ, though I am sure all of the instructors will drop in from time to time.
If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.
Thats good news, thanx for passing that along...
Vallore was at the Fight Factory in the brief time I was there, definitely a talented guy.
Getting trained by Tyler and Duane would just be awesome though… can’t wait for ROF to see Tyler whoop some ass.
by Gunslinger20 on Jul 30, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions
That is going to be a tough, tough fight. Wouldn’t surprise me if he moves up to a bigger promotion with a win. The guy he is fighting is a BJJ blackbelt.
If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.
I know
I gots tons of faith in Toner and I bet he has his BJJ defense to the point where it needs to be to keep the fight standing and get a brutal KO.
I still say Toner beats Dober…. maybe we’ll see that fight in the WEC if Toner goes up or Dober goes down.
by Gunslinger20 on Jul 30, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Do me a favor and if you come up, let me know, or at least tell Mario that Mark sent you in to check it out.
Thanks man!
If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.
You bet man
I’m still rehabbing my back but once I’m done and able to train again…. I’m all over heading to Easton. Hopefully by September.
by Gunslinger20 on Jul 30, 2009 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Should be going strong by then and have all the “bugs” worked out.
If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.
Bugs = people like BJJDenver :-o
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 30, 2009 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t have any faith in Strikeforce’s marketing team to turn Fedor into a star. To be honest this just smells like a crippling deal to me.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jul 30, 2009 4:38 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
I’m glad someone on staff concurs with me, Brent. I’m sorry it had to be you.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 30, 2009 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Strikeforce’s hype machine may pale on comparison to the UFC’s, but how much marketing will they really have to do? They’ll be on CBS.
What else do they need? A countdown show?
by a tommy point on Jul 30, 2009 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
a bankruptcy lawyer
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by ANance on Jul 30, 2009 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
This.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 30, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
The only thing they’re missing out on is PRIDE footage, which is kind of a big deal.
by a tommy point on Jul 30, 2009 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions
The UFC has the Affliction video vault so they have no footage!
by SouthAlaBamaRampage on Jul 30, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Who has the Affliction footage?
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 30, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I believe i read the UFC got the footage when they came back to be a sponser so that would leave strikeforce with what?
by SouthAlaBamaRampage on Jul 30, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I could bemistaken, but I believe I read somewhere that M-1 owns all non-PRIDE Fedor footage. Part of their “co-promotional efforts”.
by a tommy point on Jul 30, 2009 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I am gonna look it up and if the footage is still up for debate im sure the UFC will force Affliction to give it to them if they want to sponsor
by SouthAlaBamaRampage on Jul 30, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
If Affliction doesn’t own it, they can’t give the UFC anything.
by a tommy point on Jul 30, 2009 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Zuffa has the affliction footage and pride footage. Finkie can use the affliction footage outside of North America.
by mmalogic on Jul 30, 2009 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
So what you’re saying is Finkie couldn’t use Affliction footage to promote Fedor for Strikeforce because his fights were in America?
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 30, 2009 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, la dee fucking da. It’s not like they have the Internet in Japan with which to watch Fedor’s fights.
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by Derek Suboticki on Jul 30, 2009 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Thats how i take it.
Maybe Strikeforce will build a Arena in Russia, they could use all the footage they want.
by SouthAlaBamaRampage on Jul 30, 2009 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Hrm, interesting.
Maybe Strikeforce can use the Flesh Zombies to recreate all of Fedor’s greatest moments.
by a tommy point on Jul 30, 2009 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
They’d have to make a chubby one.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 30, 2009 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Don’t some of the NFL shows on ESPN do that with the Madden engine?
by a tommy point on Jul 30, 2009 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions
What footage?
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Jul 30, 2009 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He means show a rendered Fedor Zulu’ing some nondescript group of pixels.
by a tommy point on Jul 30, 2009 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions
My point being there is nothing indicating they are even close to having a showable game, let alone one that could be used to hype up an actual fight.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
Gotcha.
I think their poster said 2010 release date. Not too far away. Delays happen, though.
by a tommy point on Jul 30, 2009 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions
CBS is not some magical answer that will save everything.
They weren’t giving Elite enough money/promotion/whatever to keep doing whatever the hell they were trying to do. It’s going to cost a lot more money to keep Strikeforce going with Fedor and M1 in the mix.
by Phildo on Jul 30, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
CBS clearly thought enough of MMA to go seek out another promotion for a deal. Having it on their network was, apparently, good for business. Though, doing business with the Shaw family wasn’t a smart move.
by a tommy point on Jul 30, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
This is the crucial point: Strikeforce has been very good at what they’ve done so far (running a clear second tier promotion with a strong regional base). By signing Fedor, they’d be doing something else entirely. Would they be good at it? Possibly, but history suggests the odds are against him.
by An Old Friend on Jul 30, 2009 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
LOL… strikeforce is offering pretty much the same deal they offered tito. Tito didnt accept it.
Fedor has guaranteed over 10 million dollars in the UFC even if he loses every single one of his first 3 fights and an upside of 30m plus (not to mention the untold fortune after that). If Fedor loses one single fight outside of the UFC then FEDOR INC is out of business along with any promotion that bet on him.
Fedor and Finkie is a LANDMINE for any promotion. Fedor vs Barnet was trending less than 70k buys and showtime really got behind it.
First the problem was Sambo – solved.
Then the problem was M-1 stickers and banners – solved
Then the problem was champions clause – solved
Zuffa doesnt need to go to war with anyone… Finkie can finish off all the competition on his own.
by mmalogic on Jul 30, 2009 4:44 PM EDT reply actions 5 recs
Does the guarantee stand?
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 30, 2009 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
where are we with the whole “fedors next fight has to be with the ufc, cus he owed it to affliction” (paraphrasing of course) stance? if that were true, how is he even negotiating with strikeforce?
not busting your balls, just curious.
Fedors next fight will be in the UFC.
by mmalogic on Jul 30, 2009 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You are really that confident? Let me ask you this, is there a deal maker/breaker we don’t know about that is gonna really determine if this deal sinks or swims?
"You guys are jerking eachother off with some pseudo deep bullshit." - Kid Nate
by Kaleb Kelchner on Jul 30, 2009 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
i.e. They keep thinking someone is going to make a better offer than the UFC, and it just ain’t gonna happen. haha
"You guys are jerking eachother off with some pseudo deep bullshit." - Kid Nate
by Kaleb Kelchner on Jul 30, 2009 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s all I needed to hear.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 30, 2009 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions
One more thing, it seems to me like UFC has Fedor 100% when it comes to this last Affliction fight…and what the UFC is trying to do is just transfer over into a full fledged contract, rather than letting him only have his 1 fight.
"You guys are jerking eachother off with some pseudo deep bullshit." - Kid Nate
by Kaleb Kelchner on Jul 30, 2009 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
If it was anything other than that, I think we would have had a video blog of Dana saying “Fedor is a blankity blank blank blankity communist” a few days ago.
"You guys are jerking eachother off with some pseudo deep bullshit." - Kid Nate
by Kaleb Kelchner on Jul 30, 2009 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions
i guess that’s why logic has been saying that fedor’s next fight is in the ufc but didn’t say anything beyoond that! ahhh it all comes together
maybe this is also why Vadim has been so adamant about finding a way to sue affliction,oohhh
i bet fedro’s first fight will be against randy,so randy doesn’t have the itch to go to strikeforce if they can’t get a deal done and then if the ufc sign a deal with fedor then his first fight would be a title shot against brock…oooohhh and aahhh
The only way...
Is if M-1 is trying to get a better offer. If not, you’re wrong. If they are playing the free agency game, then it’s possible.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 30, 2009 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Listen… Im going to translate 2 quotes for you from their press conference yesterday. This was the only content worth mentioning from the entire thing:
“We’re exploring all options at the time, legally with regard to Affliction and what we perceived took place,” Steve Bash, M-1 USA vice president of legal affairs, said. “I can promise you and promise Affliction, if something was done wrong, someone will be held responsible.”
Translation: “It seems we have been fucked… we have no idea what to do at this time because Finkie is not accepting the situation so I have been delaying the inevitable in fear of being donkey whipped”.
"We’re not going to wait," Finkelstein said. "We have to move forward. It might be that very soon we will be able to make a deal with some other promotions. I’m going to tell you that we’re only going to work under co-promotion conditions."
Translation: “I came here expected to be paid mutherfuckers… I need to get paid and something needs to be signed asap that ensures I control where the money goes…”
So give it some time and because they are going through the natural stages of grief:
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Shock stage: Initial paralysis at hearing the bad news.
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Denial stage: Trying to avoid the inevitable.
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Anger stage: Frustrated outpouring of bottled-up emotion.
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Bargaining stage: Seeking in vain for a way out.
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Depression stage: Final realization of the inevitable.
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Testing stage: Seeking realistic solutions.
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Acceptance stage: Finally finding the way forward.
by mmalogic on Jul 30, 2009 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
yeah something like loser leaves BE
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LOL
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by Leland Roling on Jul 30, 2009 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
“This event brought to you by Strikeforce and Tito Ortiz…”
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito Ortiz on Vitor Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on Jul 30, 2009 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I won't pay a dime to watch that bald headed commie fight!
by SouthAlaBamaRampage on Jul 30, 2009 4:49 PM EDT reply actions
Until
either Dana or M-1 or preferably both speak on the record about specifc terms, all people are doing is picking whichever anonymous-source report reflects their own personal bias.
by andherewego on Jul 30, 2009 4:53 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I still think this is why he no want to come to UFC.
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by ANance on Jul 30, 2009 5:01 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
Oh, my. This is my new pic until Forrest loses or Fedor signs.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 30, 2009 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.
by BJJDenver on Jul 30, 2009 5:04 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Thinking about it more, I’m starting to question how much of this is Coker’s doing and how much of it is CBS’s remember back when Elite was dealing with them there were reports about CBS basically running the show . Could the same thing be happening again are they forcing Scott’s hand to overpay for Fedor so they can get a primetime slot on CBS?.
Something doesn’t add up here i’ll say again, just like I questioned the 5 million dollar offer that the UFC reportedly made to Fedor. I’m questioning who’s idea this really is this goes against everything Coker has done up to this point could this be the only way for Strikeforce to get on CBS?.
Six fights for Strikeforce? How is that going to go?
Fedor vs Overeem
Fedor vs Werdum
Fedor vs Rogers
uh…
Fedor vs Obongo Humphrey
uh…
Fedor vs Werdum 2
um let me think…
Fedor vs Overeem 2
JUST SIGN WITH SOMEONE!!!
UFC, SF, DREAM, WEC – at this point, I just want the speculation to end, I want to hear Friday’s press conference, I want hours of sitting at my computer not doing anything but Wild Mass Guessing back!
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by Scott C. Broussard on Jul 30, 2009 5:57 PM EDT reply actions
Solution to the co-promotion issue...
Seeing as though M-1 Global are concerned with promoting MMA in Russia and other continents why don’t the UFC agree to co-promote with them but only in Russia and other continents!? So for example in America it will be UFC in Russia it will be UFC and M-1 Global! For example with football (soccer), in England certain games will only be shown on certain channels (for example Setanta), however abroad completely different channels will show it and the broadcast will be completely different only for the content.
Anyway, I get the impression that Fedor fears for his legacy and fears Lesnar and wouldn’t even accep such an offer even if the UFC are willing to bend some more!
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by Scott C. Broussard on Jul 30, 2009 6:09 PM EDT reply actions
Gabriel Gonzaga is an actual Australopithecus, released from an ancient frozen cave by quickly-eaten explorers. This fight was an anthropologist’s dream—could modern kickboxing techniques stand up to the savage combat instincts of early man? Well you win, Mother Nature, you bitch. It wasn’t even close. Cro Cop was manhandled, and then his own weapon was used against him: a nuclear kickblast to the head.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 30, 2009 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m obsessed with lists, so I check Cracked every day.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Jul 30, 2009 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Me too! Check out listverse.com, that should keep you busy for a while. Mentalfloss.com also has some pretty good lists, and links to other list sites.
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by RearNakedChoker on Jul 30, 2009 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions
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