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The Tale of Two Champions (Fedor & GSP)

This story begins with two fighters.  The first starts outside of Montreal, Quebec, Canada.  The fighters name: Georges St. Pierre.  The second starts inside Russia.  The fighters name: Fedor Emelianenko.  Through their fight careers they both have something in common.  And yet, their storied fight careers could not be more different.

GSP & Fedor are both at the top of their respective weight divisions.  Fedor Emelianenko is the #1 Heavyweight in the world.  Georges St. Pierre is the #1 Welterweight in the world.  Both are Top 5 Pound For Pound Fighters.  Their competition has been left is awe of their greatness.  However, the similarities end there.

GSP has done everything possible to remove any doubt that he is the greatest Welterweight alive today.  He has defeated an unbelievable level of talent that includes: Matt Hughes, BJ Penn, Frank Trigg, Josh Koscheck, Jon Fitch, Thiago Alves, Karo Parisyan, Matt Serra, Jason Miller, Jay Hierson, & Sean Sherk.  However, this is just a list of fighters names.  What is more important is when he competed against them.

Take Carlos Newton for example.  Does a win over him mean anything today?  Not really.  However, beating him in 2001 was a big deal.  It is the timing in which you fight your competition that is the true measure of how great a fighter is.

GSP has passed that test.  He beat Matt Hughes while Hughes was in his prime.  Beat BJ Penn while he was the #1 Lightweight in the world.  Best Alves & Fitch within a year of each other when each were more then the proven #1 contenders for his title.  To put in simply, GSP has not only beaten top guys, HE HAS DONE SO WHEN THEY WERE AT THE GREATEST THREAT OF BEATING HIM.

And that is where the story of GSP ends and the one of Fedor Emelianenko begins.  Fedor is the #1 Heavyweight in the world.  However, over the last 4 years, he has stayed as such with skill, carefull management, and a deception on what it means to be fighting "top guys".  The "Fedor Era" ended on August 28, 2005.  On this day, Fedor Emelianenko defeated a true top challenger in Mirko Filipovic.  Since that time, his fight record has not been the equivalent of GSP's.

  • After defeating Mirko Filipovic, he did not fight another Top 10 Heavyweight for almost 3 years (Sylvia).  During this time he fought: Zulu, Mark Coleman, Mark Hunt, Matt Lindland, & Hong Man Choi.
  • During that same time period, Tim Sylvia was the reigning UFC Heavyweight Champion (2006).  Fedor Emelianenko did not fight him.
  • During that same period, Mirko Filipovic won the Pride Open-Weight Grand Prix.  Fedor Emelianenko did not fight him.
  • During that same period, Randy Couture was the UFC Heavyweight Champion (2007).  Fedor Emelianenko did not fight him.
  • During that same period of time, Josh Barnett was a Top 5 contender.  Fedor Emelianenko did not fight him.

Here is a 3 year period in which 4 potential Top Level Heavyweights were out there, and Fedor Emelianenko did not fight them.  Some for promotional reasons, but the ability was there for others.  Then, in July 2008, he finally starts to fight better talent again.  He fights Tim Sylvia and Andrei Arlovski in back-to-back fights.

Much is made about Fedor Emelianenko beating "Former UFC Heavyweight Champions".  However, that isn't telling the whole story.  Tim Sylvia was 1-2 in his last 3 fights, with his only win over a natural Light Heavyweight (Vera).  This was no longer the Tim Sylvia of 2006.  Fedor fought him on the way down.  A win against Sylvia in 2008 is not the same as win over him in 2006.  Andrei Arlovski is another interesting example.  Despite being ranked as high as #2 in the world, he really never had earned that ranking.  His biggest win was against Fabricio Werdum, which in no way should have had him ranked even in the Top 5.  Yes, Arlovski was a former UFC Champion, but look at who he had beaten as champion.... Sylvia (who he later lost to twice), Buentello, & Eilers.  Hardly championship caliber stuff.

And then there is the question as to why Fedor never fought Barnett in Pride.  Or why he never gave Mirko Filipovic a rematch after he had won the Grand Prix.  It would have been like Matt Hughes not fighting GSP after he had defeated Jason Miller, Frank Trigg, Sean Sherk, & BJ Penn in order to get a title shot.  There would still be doubt today if GSP never had to fight Hughes after that hot streak.

And this is where the story ends.  GSP, a champion who has defeated his toughest opponents when they were on top of their game.  A fighter who will likely go down as one of the best ever.  And then there is Fedor.  A guy who since 2005 really hasn't beaten the guys on top, not in the Top 5 anyways.

So why is this so important?  The UFC will REQUIRE Fedor Emelianenko to have a top level fight in each of his 6 contracted UFC fights.  Guys who are not only tough match-ups for him, but guys who are mentally and physically at the top of their game, not fighters like Sylvia who were 1-2 before fighting Fedor.

Fedor management knows this.  They also know that with the UFC's slew of talent, nobody can stay undefeated forever.  Whether it be Brock Lesnar, Randy Couture, Lyoto Machida, or even Anderson Silva..... One of those fighters will figure Fedor out.  And once that happens, M-1 is worthless.  This is also why "Co-Promotion" is such a big deal to Vadim.  This is something the UFC will never budge on.  And it it why it is a "requirement".  Fedor's entire aura is built on being undefeated.  If he loses inside the octagon, that aura has been smashed to pieces....

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WAR GSP!!! lol if fedor doesn’t sign i think the ufc will heavily start pushing GSP as the #1 pound 4 pound fighter in the world without exception

by justizzer on Jul 30, 2009 2:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Only if Forrest beats Anderson, because Dana is already behind Silva as the number 1 P4P fighter.

by xDieseLx on Jul 30, 2009 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

that’s all the more reason to have silva vs. gsp… though i think gsp is afraid.

they could do it at catchweight of 178, makes alot of sense

by kanodogg on Jul 30, 2009 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cut off one of Silva's arms maybe...

Dude walks around at 220 and GSP walks around at 185

Thats a BIG difference.

GSP and Anderson as natural LHW’s would be a ridiculously good fight.

'He built his whole reputation as a waffle house chef. They’ve been serving him up ham and eggs with a side of canned tomatoes' - Don Frye on Fedor Emelianenko

by Well Read Idiot on Jul 31, 2009 7:30 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's easy

Georges St Pierre is interested in being the best fighter in the world.

Fedor Emelianenko is not.

I’d rather watch guys interested in being the best in the world.

When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift

by subo on Jul 30, 2009 2:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hmm

I prefer to judge fighters by what they do in the ring, and clearly Fedor is better than GSP. GSP has never beaten anyone like prime Nogueira or prime CroCop before, and even Arlovski is probably better than anyone GSP has beaten at the time he beat them (though I’m open to argument on that one).

by yarky1 on Jul 30, 2009 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

De-Rec'd

"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."

by Blackout612 on Jul 30, 2009 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL at Fedor has foughht better people.

Name GSP opponents that equate to Fedors
Zulu
Chicken Cream of Mushroom
Vegetable Beef
HMC
and they always tough Spicey chicken Jumbo

by Riney on Jul 30, 2009 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well obviously not those guys

Has the whole world gone mad?

by yarky1 on Jul 30, 2009 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Have you been living in a cave for the last 3 years?

Keep firing Assholes!

Thanks to Bisping's reenactment of the Battle of Cowpens, walla walla walla I'm an idiot.

by Ubernoober on Jul 30, 2009 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Arlovski = Marcus Davis.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Jul 30, 2009 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's not that bad

He’s more like Dan Hardy

by Captain7 on Jul 30, 2009 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Marcus Davis is probably a better fighter than Arlovski. The lack of depth at heavyweight is staggering. There just aren’t that many people who are that big when in shape.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Jul 31, 2009 2:50 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Have them fight

we’ll see which one wins.

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'09 is the year of the FW's.

by ElliotMatheny on Jul 31, 2009 4:24 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Perhaps minus a chin and any semblance of sentience when on his back.

"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito Ortiz on Vitor Belfort at Affliction:DOR

by Rundownloser on Jul 31, 2009 1:47 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Your post

made me look at Tim Sylvia’s official webpage. It says he’s a “5-time UFC Champion”??? Also, he needs to add the Ray Mercer fight to his record: http://www.tim-sylvia.com/fights.html, but I’m sure he’s taking his time on that.

by MMAInFeRioRiTy on Jul 30, 2009 3:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

wow

I also just saw this Tim Sylvia blind date episode for the first time: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euRNF_WN6iw

What a boring oaf. Girl to Tim: “I don’t find myself overly sexually connected with you.”

by MMAInFeRioRiTy on Jul 30, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Grasshoppers… “You know I happen to like whipped cream in my drinks”

by MMAcGyver on Jul 30, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thank you for this…

by Cunny on Jul 31, 2009 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't agree with Fedor ducking

I agree that GSP has fought top competition recently and Fedor hasn’t. Certainly in fights outside the UFC, Fedor has managed his record. That said, I’m not sold that Fedor is ducking top competition in the UFC.

I think co-promotion is the way Finkie gets paid. Its how he takes 50% instead of 10%. Finkie also has these dreams (maybe along with Fedor) of building a massive promotion called M1. Fedor is the man who might make that happen. Mind you it never will happen, but that’s the thought.

The UFC won’t agree to co-promotion and that’s the end of it.

by SES 84 on Jul 30, 2009 3:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

No matter how stupid or how much shit Tito talks at least hes ready to fight top competition again and rejoin the ufc. Im just ready for tomorrow so i can hear what dana has to say.
Fuck fedor and fuck m-1

by JaTinkles on Jul 30, 2009 4:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Tito doesn’t get enough credit for taking the fight against Machida.

by Jahbulon on Jul 30, 2009 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think He seriously thought he would win that fight too.

by Captain7 on Jul 30, 2009 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fedor! The best!

by Meshuggeth on Jul 30, 2009 4:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh GSP...

How we love thee.

Keep firing Assholes!

Thanks to Bisping's reenactment of the Battle of Cowpens, walla walla walla I'm an idiot.

by Ubernoober on Jul 30, 2009 5:29 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Indeed

He has the creepiest and most ignorant fans of any fighter out there. According to this guy, CroCop wasn’t in his prime when Fedor beat him, but Hughes was in his prime when GSP beat him. Huh? And the fact that Fedor didn’t fight guys who were with another promoter works against him, but the fact that GSP only fights UFC guys doesn’t work against him.

by yarky1 on Jul 30, 2009 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

um, what????

he did say cro-cop was his last fight against someone in there prime!!

by mma is #1 on Jul 30, 2009 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Um, this

“During that same period, Mirko Filipovic won the Pride Open-Weight Grand Prix. Fedor Emelianenko did not fight him.” In the context of explaining why Fedor didn’t face top guys when they were at their best.

by yarky1 on Jul 30, 2009 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It’s odd to me that anyone would find something so badly written and so obviously biased to be at all convincing.

by yarky1 on Jul 30, 2009 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Historically it may be debatable, but at this point in time GSP has beaten everyone who can even be considered a threat. Meanwhile, Fedor hasn’t fought any of the top fighters in the UFC (except Nog).

I don’t doubt that Fedor was once the greatest heavyweight in the world. But currently, there are a number of young and hungry heavyweights who want a piece of him, and he seems afraid that they might get it.

I hate to break it to you, but the facts are pointing to the idea that Fedor would rather make money than prove that he isn’t becoming the next Matt Hughes, a great fighter who has been passed over by the evolution of MMA.

by Captain7 on Jul 30, 2009 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

???

Why would you “hate to break it to me”? We’re just talking MMA, right? I don’t understand the intense emotional investment you guys seem to have in the idea that Fedor’s not as good as everyone thinks he is. Yes, he apparently is being badly managed, but geez. The guy is a great fighter, and he’s been proving it.

I really wish people would learn to ignore promotional politics.

by yarky1 on Jul 30, 2009 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ok, Fedor hasn’t fought a smart dominate wrestler since Mark Coleman (who is far from a “smart wrestler”). Meanwhile the UFC has four high level wrestlers in it’s heavyweight division, three of them have a good shot against him.

I really don’t care whose fault it is that Fedor isn’t in the UFC. I just don’t think that he has the ability to beat all of the up and coming UFC heavyweights.

GSP, on the other hand, has eliminated every threat to his crown. Fedor has several potential challengers, and unless he beats them I don’t think that he can remain the top heavyweight.

by Captain7 on Jul 30, 2009 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’d like to see these supposed “up and coming” HWs actually do something impressive before I’m ready to declare them viable challengers for a guy generally regarded as the best fighter in MMA history.

by yarky1 on Jul 30, 2009 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Read it again Yarky

It clearly gives Fedor all the props he deserves up until Aug 28 2005.

Also, did you miss the point about the deserved rematch? Why not fight Crocop again after he won the GP. Their first fight went to a decision. He deserved that rematch.

Hughes was the DOMINANT champ when GSP beat him the first time.

Also, to call this article badly written is terrible on your part. You can surely argue alot of the points, but badly written? Not at all.

GSP only fights UFC guys, well that would count for him since UFC has the majority of the top talent in the world. Who has the bias again?

'He built his whole reputation as a waffle house chef. They’ve been serving him up ham and eggs with a side of canned tomatoes' - Don Frye on Fedor Emelianenko

by Well Read Idiot on Jul 31, 2009 7:41 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

There was no opportunity for Fedor to fight a rematch with CroCop after the GP, plus CroCop’s career went downhill fast immediately after that.

I’m sorry, but it is very badly written. I felt embarrassed for the guy after reading the first paragraph, and it got worse as it went along. He was clearly trying hard, but didn’t have the skill to pull it off.

I’m not saying anything bad about GSP. I was making a point about the way MMA works. I think GSP is a great fighter. I don’t know how many times I have to repeat that.

by yarky1 on Jul 31, 2009 8:44 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m sorry, but it is very badly written. I felt embarrassed for the guy after reading the first paragraph, and it got worse as it went along. He was clearly trying hard, but didn’t have the skill to pull it off.

I think the 11 recs and the numerous positive comments speak for themselves.

I’m sorry, but I think your retorts have all been very poorly written. I felt embarassed for you after your first reply, and it just got wrose as you went along.

I am not impressed with your performance.

"The latest Brett Favre summer saga apparently has come to an end. The 39-year-old reportedly informed the Vikings on Tuesday that he will not come out of retirement for a 19th season."

The greatest news I've heard all year!

by TheViking83 on Jul 31, 2009 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Yeah

That’s about what I’d expect. Let’s stick to discussing the issues and the original post and not try to turn this personal, OK?

This was his first paragraph:

“This story begins with two fighters. The first starts outside of Montreal, Quebec, Canada. The fighters name: Georges St. Pierre. The second starts inside Russia. The fighters name: Fedor Emelianenko. Through their fight careers they both have something in common. And yet, their storied fight careers could not be more different.”

That would be laughed out of a freshman composition class. It’s not even punctuated correctly.

by yarky1 on Jul 31, 2009 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll take good points

and valid arguments over punctuation usage anyday.

This sounds like you completely grasping at straws because everybody has many so many arguments that makes yours look foolish.

“Oh yeah….. well…. his 1st paragraph sucks!”

"The latest Brett Favre summer saga apparently has come to an end. The 39-year-old reportedly informed the Vikings on Tuesday that he will not come out of retirement for a 19th season."

The greatest news I've heard all year!

by TheViking83 on Jul 31, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

one too many "many"s in there

whoopsie daisy

"The latest Brett Favre summer saga apparently has come to an end. The 39-year-old reportedly informed the Vikings on Tuesday that he will not come out of retirement for a 19th season."

The greatest news I've heard all year!

by TheViking83 on Jul 31, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not really

I happened to mention that it was badly written, someone disagreed, and I quoted the first paragraph. It sounds to me like you’re grasping at straws to insult me. If you just follow the progression of the conversation, my remarks make perfect sense.

by yarky1 on Jul 31, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You convinced me.

GSP sucks!!!!!

Keep firing Assholes!

Thanks to Bisping's reenactment of the Battle of Cowpens, walla walla walla I'm an idiot.

by Ubernoober on Jul 30, 2009 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jesus Christ

Get a grip. I think GSP is one of the greatest fighters of all time.

by yarky1 on Jul 30, 2009 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The “Fedor Era” ended on August 28, 2005. On this day, Fedor Emelianenko defeated a true top challenger in Mirko Filipovic. Since that time, his fight record has not been the equivalent of GSP’s.
During that same period, Mirko Filipovic won the Pride Open-Weight Grand Prix. Fedor Emelianenko did not fight him.

He says that he fought Cro Cop as his last fight against a true top contender. Then he points out that there was no rematch after Cro Cop won the Open Weight GP. If a rematch would have happened, then Fedor would have fought a “true top challenger.” But he didn’t fight him again.

by xDieseLx on Jul 30, 2009 6:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Meant to reply to the above posts.

by xDieseLx on Jul 30, 2009 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Didn't really have a chance to

Plus CroCop was never the same after losing to Fedor. The OWGP was a joke. He only beat one HW, and that guy had fought to a tough decision earlier in the night.

And anyway, answer something for me. Which do you think better characterizes the author? 1. Interested in looking at the facts and coming to a conclusion or 2. Using facts as (as the saying goes) a drunk uses a lamppost — for support and not illumination.

by yarky1 on Jul 30, 2009 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Please make a case for GSP not having faced the best available competition in the world at 170, and pose a rebuttal to his having literally nothing left to prove in the division.

It’s interesting that your analogy best suits you.

"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."

by Blackout612 on Jul 30, 2009 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He has fought the best in the world at 170

But the best in the world at 170 is in his organization.

Fedor beat the best HW in the world. After he beat them, he got a freakshow and a legend well past his prime. He then dismantled Tim Sylvia in 36 seconds and dropped Arlovski with one punch.

You cannot take away from GSP, but the circumstances dictate GSP will have the top fighters as competition. Co-promotion is out of the question and won’t happen, but if Fedor doesn’t come to UFC, that doesn’t mean he’s ducking top competition; it means his d*ck of a manager/promoter is looking to line his own pocket and found a more lucrative offer with Strikeforce. Fedor, although a very intelligent man by all accounts, is a pawn in this situation.

by Ryjo on Jul 30, 2009 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I stopped reading......

Here:

But the best in the world at 170 is in his organization.

That’s the point of this article. You can’t just change the argument. GSP has fought the absolute best competition available anywhere in the world and Fedor hasn’t. That’s the point the writer made and I don’t see the sense in manufacturing transgressions. The implied convenience of that fact does nothing to detract from its validity.

"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."

by Blackout612 on Jul 30, 2009 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

And to be clear

I love Fedor as a fighter; always have. And I do believe his victories over Sylvia and Arlovski were legit (particularly because Arlovski was doing a fine job before Fedor ended it). But AR makes some very strong points, which make the reader reflect on the fact that GSP, more than any champion of any weight class in any promotion— has licked his plate clean.

"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."

by Blackout612 on Jul 30, 2009 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly

With GSP there is no “but’s”, “if’s”, or “maybe’s” about him. He’s the best in his weight class. And in all likelihood, won’t be beaten for a loooooonng time.

By a welterweight.

by Captain7 on Jul 30, 2009 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

My point still stands

Fedor cleaned the plate back in the day, and now his management can’t strike an agreement to go where the best fighters are (apparently). That’s not changing the argument; it’s simply stating that he has continued to destroy everyone who he’s able to get a fight worked out with. That’s not taking anything away from GSP; it’s simply stating that, at the current time, an agreement can’t be made to give Fedor the opportunity to showcase his talents against UFC fighters in the UFC.

by Ryjo on Jul 30, 2009 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who gives a shit?

Back in the day? Able to get a fight worked out with?

It seems this whole concept is over your head.

"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."

by Blackout612 on Jul 30, 2009 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Barnett was a legit challenger back in the day....

What was that about clearing it out again?

Sure, they were meant to fight this weekend, but why the fuck didnn’t they fight back in the day instead of Zulu

'He built his whole reputation as a waffle house chef. They’ve been serving him up ham and eggs with a side of canned tomatoes' - Don Frye on Fedor Emelianenko

by Well Read Idiot on Jul 31, 2009 7:44 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why?

GSP has been facing top competition. I’m not denying that. GSP is a great, great fighter. So is Fedor, and Fedor has also been facing great competition and looking more impressive in the process.

by yarky1 on Jul 30, 2009 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

GSP

has made a ww division, in the ufc, that at one point seemed to be the most deepest and most talent rich weight division in all of mma, seem extremly one-sided and to the point where most fans and writers feel he needs to “move up” a weight class and fight another top p4p fighter in a.silva (bj was ranked as a top p4p and fitch and alves were top 10 p4p, according to most sites, as was hughes at one point). Fedor hasn’t even come close to doing this. there are alot of very good top hw’s that could challenge fedor that he will never have to face. what fedor did with him fighting lindland and then choi almost a year later, would be the equivalent of gsp fighting miguel torres(no offense to torres fans, and i don’t care what lindand weighed when they fought, that extra weight was just FAT) and then fighting manute bol. Total B.S.. i do give fedor credit for beating top hws in sylvia and arlovski, and thought he was back on track, but he seems to be going back to his old ways. i say within in 5 years GSP will be considered the greatest mma fight ever and unless fedor signs, Brock could be considered the greatest mma hw ever (laugh all you want). only time will tell. :-)

by bdw on Jul 30, 2009 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

WW is deep but not very top-heavy, and Fedor has also made his division look thin. The only reason there are perceived challenges to him is that a very good promoter is working hard to create that perception. I mean, be honest: If Cain Velasquez (to pick an example) were with another promoter and had the exact same opponents and outcomes, do you think anyone would be suggesting that he was a threat to Fedor? I don’t.

And, yes, Fedor has faced a few guys that aren’t good competition. So have a lot of people (everyone except for GSP, probably, though he did fight Serra twice). Most fighters aren’t judged negatively for that unless they lose or otherwise fail to impress. And I highly doubt that Brock will ever be considered the HW GOAT. He’s very dangerous, but I’d be surprised if he’s still fighting in five years, and even more surprising if he’s still fighting and doesn’t have at least a couple of losses.

by yarky1 on Jul 30, 2009 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’d rank GSP above Fedor if he managed to put his opponents away as quickly and decisively as Fedor does. His career path seems to be the opposite of Machida, as time has gone on he has lost the ability to finish his opponents, where Machida has gained the ability to.

Fedor is the definition of the complete fighter… he can put someone away standing, he can put them away on the ground, he can submit people, he has fantastic wrestling. GSP has the last point, but lately it seems not the previous 3.

by brad23 on Jul 30, 2009 8:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Again

This isn’t the argument. He doesn’t tout GSP as the P4P champion, or a superior fighter to Fedor. He never once suggests that Fedor would have lost to any individual that he hasn’t faced within the time period illustrated. He exclusively drives home the fact that GSP has taken on and persevered every task available to him as a 170 pound fighter in the world today.

"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."

by Blackout612 on Jul 30, 2009 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and again

Fedor has demolished against every heavyweight fighter available to him. If the implication is being made that he should step away from Vad/Russian mob, I’ll point out that not too many boxers were walking away from Don King in the ’90’s…

If Vad and Dana can come to an agreement, we’ll continue to see Fedor’s artistry, win, lose, or draw. In the meantime, he’ll continue to fight the best fighters his management team will allow him to fight.

by Ryjo on Jul 30, 2009 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You’re ignoring the entire principle of this article. I’ve made my point and you’ve gone backwards.

"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."

by Blackout612 on Jul 30, 2009 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Honestly

Where I stand, GSP is a great WW fighter.

But you put GSP against Fedor in a fight… and GSP gets mauled.

I understand that weight classes are in place because they encourage competition and level the playing field for smaller fighters… but I’m confident that Fedor would beat any FIGHTER in the world, regardless. And to me, that makes him the best fighter in the world.

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by ElliotMatheny on Jul 31, 2009 4:27 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I see your point

I agree with it. This article is not about that. It is about cleaning out divisions, which arguably Fedor has stopped doing.

'He built his whole reputation as a waffle house chef. They’ve been serving him up ham and eggs with a side of canned tomatoes' - Don Frye on Fedor Emelianenko

by Well Read Idiot on Jul 31, 2009 7:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

really enjoyed this article AR

thanks for putting it together!

"The latest Brett Favre summer saga apparently has come to an end. The 39-year-old reportedly informed the Vikings on Tuesday that he will not come out of retirement for a 19th season."

The greatest news I've heard all year!

by TheViking83 on Jul 31, 2009 11:40 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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