The Ramifications of Fedor Emelianenko's UFC Contract Failure
Fedor Emelianenko has long been considered one of the top athletes in this sport in the past, present, and likely in the future. We can't take away his epic comeback wins, dominating performances, and sheer terror he's brought to the ring over the course of his career. We can't deny the fact that hardcore fans everywhere are absolutely intrigued by any fight he takes part in, but hardcore fans aren't exactly thrilled about yesterday's news that Fedor Emelianenko turned down one of the most lucrative deals to ever be presented to a fighter in mixed martial arts.
The deal is rumored to have reach a 6-fight/$30 million dollar deal with a cut in the PPV revenues. He quite possibly could have pulled in nearly $10 million on a PPV with Brock Lesnar. Not only was the money insane, he was guaranteed an immediate title shot, the ability to compete in Sambo competitions, and was given permission to cover his shorts, face, body, cornermen, and even a giant banner with M-1 Global logos and advertising. As Luke Thomas pointed out, this was probably the most unbelievable deal to have ever crossed a table between the UFC and ANY fighter.
As Luke pointed out yesterday, we can't fault M-1 Global in trying to create an opportunity to work with the largest MMA promotion in the world. After all, the UFC pulls in hundreds of thousands of fans for pay-per-view events, and they've managed to grab the interest of well over a million viewers in their free SpikeTV events. The ultimate question comes down to whether or not they are willing to drop the "co-promotion" term from their contract negotiations and let Fedor fight as a fighter... not as a man trying to use his leverage as one of the best heavyweight fighters in the world to create an opportunity for M-1 Global to get that massive exposure.
Being able to use as many M-1 Global logos and advertising as you want is nearly the same as being involved in a co-promotion. The main event of a Brock Lesnar vs. Fedor Emelianenko showdown will easily be the most viewed MMA fight of all time, yet Fedor's management won't budge unless they have a few M-1 Global logos on the turnbuckles and maybe a logo on the mat? The "co-promotion" term needs to be dropped in this case. M-1 Global is an organization, with or without Fedor. There are plenty of other stable promotions out there willing to co-promote with other organizations that have the opportunity to grab huge exposure. Just look at Strikeforce.
Another interesting point that could be made is that Fedor isn't worth $5 million a fight in the United States. If he managed to roll through the heavyweight division and defeat most of the best heavyweights in the UFC, he'd easily have the exposure to garner that kind of big money. Right now however, he is far from that kind of draw in the United States, yet the UFC threw huge money at him in order to push the best vs. best match-ups in the heavyweight division. He'll never see that kind of money in a contract ever again.
Hardcore fans everywhere have been waiting for this contract to come through, but unfortunately... Fedor has now lost a lot of footing in the United States. Most hardcore fans and casual fans that had kept up with the information coming out following Affliction's demise are absolutely disgusted at M-1 Global's terms in the contract regarding a co-promotion, and the denial of the contract due has only angered most of the fanbase. Undoubtedly, Fedor's stock has dropped substantially.
Fedor and his management have dropped the ball terribly. Being able to display M-1 Global logos on their entire entourage during the biggest PPV main event in history is unprecedented, yet they managed to turn it down like it was an insulting offer. It helps M-1 Global as a company, but they obviously don't see it that way. Fedor's reputation has been hurt by this whole ordeal, and with not many huge opportunities for great competition outside the UFC... he's likely going to head into retirement down the road without ever answering the question as to whether he could compete with the best in the UFC.
On a personal note, I'm a huge supporter of Fedor Emelianenko, but this whole ordeal has rubbed me the wrong way in so many ways. I feel that Fedor is trying to set himself up for retirement by helping grow M-1 Global, but he's also trying to bring more exposure for MMA to his own country along with building something successful that he can work with later in life. That's a commendable effort by Fedor, but the fact of the matter is that as a MMA fighter... you don't get offered $5 million a fight with PPV escalators EVER!
He not only has the chance to prove he's the best, something that Fedor always states he wants to do, but you'll be paid handsomely for it. M-1 gets some exposure, you get paid huge amounts of money, you have a chance to be a superstar worldwide with ACTUAL numbers backing that claim, and you turn it down because you must have M-1 Global's name mentioned by Joe Rogan, and a giant banner in the arena? You have truly failed, Fedor. I'll ultimately still watch you compete, but be very aware that many fans have turned their back on you.
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I still want to see him compete. Just to see him lose. It is obvious Fedor does not give a fuck about MMA. Who knows what the ramifications will be of Fedor snubbing one of the biggest contracts in MMA history. remeber last time this happpened? Randy Coulture felt like he was lapped in the face when they offered Fedor WAY moer than what he was getting. Now Brock is probably going to get pissy about his contract….
UFC will deny the terms, and as Snowden pointed out, they are probably far less than that. Those figures are likely a best case scenario.
I want to see Fedor compete, and I want him to win, but… it seems strange that’d he’d turn down such a lucrative offer just to have M-1’s name on the event. They could have promoted the hell out of the M-1 name on the biggest PPV event in MMA History.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 30, 2009 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
"Just to see him lose"
At this point in the game, that’s how I’m starting to feel about Fedor. As much as I’d enjoy seeing him batter the UFC stable – especially Brock Lesnar, someone ELSE I would enjoy seeing lose – it would be even more impressive to see him humbled, especially after all these demands his manager has been making. How about M-1 does what the UFC did; sign fighters, build their promotional brand, market themselves effectively, put on events at a loss for several years and then bust out in mainstream consciousness. Why the UFC is, in the eyes of Fedor’s management (and by extension, Fedor himself), obliged to entertain promoting another company just for the privilege of Fedor’s services is arrogance and, let’s be honest, a lazy shortcut to success that is not guaranteed when UFC PPV numbers will stomp all over anything M-1 does, co-promoting or no.
As for the retirement talk and using M-1 as some kind of money mill post-fighting career – if you can’t retire on $10m or MORE, then holy crap, you are officially doin’ it wrong.
Did you just say you want to see Fedor humbled? I’ve always considered Fedor to be one of, if not THE most humble fighter there is.
Don’t hate the player, hate the game!
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by RearNakedChoker on Jul 30, 2009 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Obligatory Rec!
Beautifully written, Melvin. ;) Fedor and Vadim are insane. Still hoping this is all just BS to come out tomorrow and really blow our minds with Dana saying he has been signed. Maybe 6 fights is too long for him? I thought they would do 4.
GSP: I pulled my groin.
Greg Jackson: I don't care Georges! HIT HIM WITH YOUR GROIN!
Hypothetical Question:
Say Fedor was to ultimately sign this deal and he enters the octagon decked out head to toe in a M-1 global three piece suit. Now it has always been my understanding, and I may be wrong, that elite fighters make a majority of their income from their various sponsors and endorsements. With M-1 so hungry for exposer I would expect them to be the only logos we see. Isn’t that M-1 just taking away another large opportunity to cash in?
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Its being reported at several news sources now that Fedor was not offered 5 million a fight PLUS PPV escalators. The 30 million of 6 fights figure was estimated with the PPV bonuses already figured into it. His actually base salary is much less, probably around the 1 to 1.5 million area.
by Nick Travaglini on Jul 30, 2009 1:38 PM EDT reply actions
Two other things
Things that may contribute to M1 balking at the UFC’s offer
1. Taxes- it is no secret that Japanese MMA companies were very good at paying their fighters under the table so no national taxes were incurred. It was also rumored that Affliction also helped in this area. I am pretty sure the UFC would not be willing to monkey with his numbers. They stand to lose to much if caught.
2. Co Promotional Fee- You say that M1 is holding up the deal over a few turnbuckle logos and one on the mat. You forget as the co promoter they are cut in on the PPV numbers as well. And its a larger number than the 1.5 to 2 percent that the UFC throws at their star fighters. Everything is centered around money.
by Nick Travaglini on Jul 30, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Nick,
This was written before that, so I’m sort of fucked in that respect… BUT… even 1 million per fight isn’t insane when you think of Fedor’s PPV draw.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 30, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m reading elsewhere that part of the problem is that the actual guarantee in the contract is less than the Affliction guarantee.
Newsflash, Affliction paid EVERYONE too much money. No one should really be expecting to see Affliction money for a few years.
Yeah, but the problem is that we don’t know what Affliction’s guarantee was. They reported Fedor at $300k when he defeated AA.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 30, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m not even talking about that, I hate the reported numbers. i wish they wouldn’t even put them out because they are some of the most useless numbers in the world.
The actual guarantee of what m1 got from affliction is less than what the actual guarantee they would get from Zuffa. People are saying that like it means something.
Who the hell turns down that kind of money!?
Offer ME 30 mil for 6 fights with a share of the ppv’s; I’d happily take my 6 ass whuppins and limp off into the sunset with a toothless smile on my mangled face! That’s why I say, either greed or fear is at work here.
My guess is, regardless of the contract specifics, this is by faaaar the most lucrative offer in the sport’s history.
As much as I want to see Fedor in the UFC, I’m almost glad he didn’t accept the offer. My reasoning is, that if he had, how much would it have irritated the other top fighters in the UFC? Would it hasten the retirement of Anderson if he didnt get similar money? Would Brock now demand the same? What about BJ, GSP, Lyoto, Rampage, on and on and on… I’m afraid if you give up this much, it would set a very dangerous precedent for future negotiations. And while I want these guys to get paid and have certain freedoms, I think this could get way out of control.
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by BJJDenver on Jul 30, 2009 2:44 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I posted something similar in one of the other threads on this topic.
I think its a very important point.
Dana could tell those guys that anybody who beats Fedor gets the same deal. :-)
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The problem is Fedor is running out of time. He’s not young, and the UFC has spent the last two years steadily rebuilding the heavyweight division from the days of Justin Eilers getting a title shot. They’ve developed Lesnar, Velasquez, Carwin, Dos Santos, Gonzaga; they signed Minotauro, Herring, and CroCop; they stuck with Frank Mir and Randy Couture, and on top of that they are just putting together a TUF season based only on heavyweights that include Roy Nelson, Wes Sims, and Kimbo Slice.
The HW talent pool is pretty think outside of the UFC right now – especially with the Sylvia (Mercer) and Arlovski (Rogers) crashes this year. So in a year Fedor will have torn through the three heavyweights Strikeforce has and we’ll be right back where we are and the UFC will have even more “hand” in the negotiations. He’ll never get that deal again. Ever. And who’s to say Werdum can’t catch Fedor with his BJJ, or Rogers can’t catch him with those fire hydrant hands, or Overeem can’t hit him with knees?
I get that M-1 wants to be a major player in MMA, but you can’t be that in direct competition with the UFC. Not right now.
"So in a year Fedor will have torn through the three heavyweights Strikeforce has"
more like in 2 and a half years
see i disagree because the UFC is doing such a good job with the HW division, whoever does beat Brock will be a legit contender, a legit heavyweight, and just as capable of holding the belt. So it its Mir again, CroCop, Carwin, Cain, whoever . . . the division is not strong enough that whoever is champion will be deserving.
There’s a HUGE difference between “legit contender” and “arguably #1 in the world.” I think that if Brock loses his next fight, he’ll be regarded as a bit of a fraud, or at least a flash in the pan. I think that if weaknesses are exposed, such as a less-than-stellar chin, questionable cardio, or difficulty off his back, the sheen of a Lesnar-Fedor matchup starts to go away, but it isn’t as if the guy who beats him captures Lesnar’s drawing ability, Highlander-style. I say that Lesnar’s NEXT fight is the most important one of his career, whereas Fedor could come back in late 2010 and he’s most likely MORE marketable than he is now.
Can EA make as many casual fans aware of Fedor as the UFC can? Well picture this:
“Randy Couture vs. Fedor Emelianenko: You won’t see this dream fight ANYWHERE but in EA MMA”
Nope, does nothing for me.
They missed the boat on that one.
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by Well Read Idiot on Aug 3, 2009 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Regarding the poll
I would have watched him regardless of who his opponent was in the UFC. Outside the UFC, it would need to be a very worthwhile opponent for me to go out of my way to see the event (since I don’t have Showtime or airline tickets to Japan.)
there was a time i would’ve rooted for fedor over lesnar, but after all these shenanigans if the fight does ever go down, i hope brock does something that makes his last post fight interview look like one of gsp.
i’ve heard that fedor & co want to turn m1 into the european ufc, i’m pretty sure that the ufc is hell bent on becoming the european ufc.
I've always been a Fedor supporter and hardcore fan..
But like you said… This shit rubs me the wrong way.
Dana White and the UFC have now bent over backwards for these “crazy russians” to try to cut a deal, but it STILL isn’t enough.
I’ll still watch his fights, but he is no longer my favorite fighter. I want to see my favorite fighter fight the best. There is simply no one else outside the UFC for Fedor to challenge himself with. I have no interest in Hong Man Choi match ups.
Don't care.
I never saw Barnett as a true threat to Fedor. If it still does happen.. great. But i’d much rather see him in the UFC fighting a whole stockade of good HWs.
by virginiatech on Jul 30, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I actually think it may happen.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 30, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
This is all getting a little ridiculous. Even if Fedor wasnt being offered 30 million up front, even offering him 2.5-3 million a fight is incredibly impressive, due to the fact that like you have already said, he will not be a huge draw throughout the US..(that is unless he is fighting the likes of Brock, of course. Something which surprise surprise, they offered him up front!). I have to say i salute Dana, the Ferttitas and the UFC as an organisation in what they’ve tried to do here. Offering the money they have done shows they have a confidence in Fedor as a fighter, yet still they cant reach an agreement. People will argue the UFC may have been thinking along the lines of “Brock will beat Fedor” and that may be the case. But either way, surely Fedor has a point to prove, if he wants to hold that #1 title?…Take the contract due to the fact that you see the UFC are incredibly impressed with what you have to offer, or take the contract and do your best to run wild throughout the HW division to prove them wrong. Alot of people knock the UFC’s HW division, but at the end of the day they’re the worlds biggest MMA organisation and why Fedor doesnt want to go and test himself, prove himself whilst making an unthinkable amount of cash (for the sport) within the process, is beyond me.
All this co promo crap is starting to wear really thin aswell. Sticking an M1 logo on the octagon canvas doesnt define co promo on top of what they’ve already offered. The UFC have essentially said
“Wear M1 trunks. Wear an M1 tee. Bring a huge M1 banner. Have your entire corner, covered in M1 gear, hell, stamp M1 across your forehead if you want, just come and figh with our heavyweights” . Their answer?
“no no, we want co promotion at events”….what!?
End of the day, i will always watch Fedor fight. He is a fantastic talent and some of his previous fights, comebacks, thrashing victories have been nothing short of magical. I doubt i will forget this entire contract debacle however. I’m pretty sure a small part of me will always have something against him..or maybe more specifically M1 for what has happened here. He may be a fantastic fighter with the #1 in the world tag, but at the end of the day the apparent #1 seemingly does not want to enter the worlds biggest MMA organisation and test himself against a new crop of fighters. Hell, its not like money is the issue. Fedor, M1, Fink, whomever, i dont care-just get off your high horse, sign the contract and give the fans, the fight they want to see.
::Yawn:::
I’m calling my Dr. to see if he will put me in a drug-induced coma until this is all over…
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This is like Kobe or Lebron turning down a multimillion dollar contract with the nba because he wants nba broadcats to say Kobe NBA productions. Its 30 million dollars! how can u turn that down!?
Actually, if the PPV buys are solid… he could reach it. Although, the deal isn’t 6 fights now. If he did 3 fights, won all of them, got PPV revenues, and added another 3 fight deal… it’s obtainable.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 30, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, it was reported as a six-fight deal. Then stated incorrect. And now it’s three-fights.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 30, 2009 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought the reason we all love Fedor is because of his stoicism, his seeming lack of emotion in what he does, his attitude, and his skill.
Don’t forget, we all call Fedor “robot”, “cyborg” “russian experiment” etc. to describe him.
This turn of events should not be too surprising. Fedor is a man that none of understand, and it’s a huge part of why we love him. Don’t turn your backs on him so easily! If you do, what kind of fan were you in the first place?
There’s a parallel example w/ the music industry, but I know everyone here likes alot of different music, so bear with me and my example :
Let’s say a band like The Doors decided to refuse the biggest record deal in history so they could sign w/ a smaller label for less money in exchange for more artistic freedom and a percentage of the label. Would we boycott the Doors? Would we be mad because they value ownership and freedom over loads of cash?
Would we stop listening to their music? And even if we didn’t like the new music, would that make us not like them so much that we disregard their old stuff?
It’s not exactly the same, but you catch my drift. Fuck Vadim, he’s the businessman. Support Fedor. He’s the fighter. And he’s given us all so many awesome, exciting memories. We would suck as fans if we forsake him now, without knowing ALL the details. I mean, just yesterday, we thought he was giving up a guaranteed 30 mil, and today we know different.
I still heart Fedor. He’s proven himself 30+ times in an artform that is mindbogglingly difficult. He fights for himself, his family and his country. There’s nothing wrong with that. He doesn’t fight for me. And I’m fine with that.
As far as I’m concerned, Fedor doesn’t owe me shit, and I’m proud to have watched this man perform, and will continue to watch him fight whenever I have the opportunity.
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by RearNakedChoker on Jul 30, 2009 4:26 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I still love the stoicism. I will still watch him compete, I just don’t understand why he turned this down. I mean, he must be very adamant about making M-1 Global a success, which I can’t fault the man for.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 30, 2009 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I still think he’s going to the UFC though. There’s no way in hell Dana allows Vadim to make the announcement, so M1 is helping Dana keep the secret so Dana can feel all cool when he announces it tomorrow.
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by RearNakedChoker on Jul 30, 2009 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s either that or M-1 is shopping for a better deal, then will go back and accept.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 30, 2009 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Personally, I think Dana is giving Vadim until 9:00 a.m. tomorrow morning to make a decision. I think it’s still not done yet, but Dana told Vadim no matter what he decides, to not give anything away.
Vadim is a businessman, and I think/hope to God he makes the smart decision.
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by RearNakedChoker on Jul 30, 2009 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with a lot of what you said...
but the Doors analogy doesn’t work. The quality of a musician’s product isn’t likely to be determined by what record label they’re on.
we’ve all gotten caught up in this frenzy over the past couple of days, and turned on the guy for doing what he’s been praised for in the (fairly recent) past. What’s the difference this time around? Why are we counting the guy’s money so closely? Why are so many of us taking it personally? Why get so mad about something that most people never thought would happen in the first place? With Affliction’s collapse it seems the Pro-UFC rhetoric around the blogs and forums has kicked into hyperdrive. Much of it is correct and deserved; the UFC has the top fighters and if you want to maintain your spot in the upper echelon you have to prove yourself against them, but Fedor is still an awesome fighter, and there are interesting fights left for him outside the UFC. So many people saying “Fuck Fedor” or that they won’t be watching him fight anymore… I partially understand the sentiment, but then my rational side takes over.
You’re right, it’s a far fetched analogy. :)
And I dig what you’re saying, except for one part :
“The quality of a musician’s product isn’t likely to be determined by what record label they’re on.”
I have to disagree a bit. Considering the fact that the music industry is influenced highly on recent trends, top level record companies often compromise the quality of their artists’ music in order to cash in on those trends.
Many musicians throughout the years have blasted their record labels, publicly and privately, for not allowing them the artistic freedom to make the music that they want to make, instead forcing them to work with producers who have the record companies interest in mind, not the artists. And many have ditched those companies to work with ones that will allow them more artistic freedom, even if it means sacrificing other perks.
Some people just value freedom above all else, and I think Fedor is that kind of guy.
I do agree with you completely though, in regards to the level of competition, and that being the reason everyone is getting so riled up. This whole debacle has given me a new outlook on the heavyweight landscape in MMA, and there’s just no doubt about it : The UFC is the place to be if you care about cementing a legacy, challenging yourself, and making lots and lots of money. I want Fedor in the UFC in the worst way, and I’m hoping for the best, but if for some reason it doesn’t happen then it just wasn’t in the cards. I’ll still watch Fedor fight, and I’ll still sing his praises to those new to MMA. He’s a living legend, a straight up beast, and a great example of how to keep your cool under pressure.
I think he’s signing soon though. Logic seems so sure of it. ;)
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by RearNakedChoker on Jul 30, 2009 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I also think that UFC 100, the emergence of Brock as a bona fide star (the “anti-Fedor” in many ways), and the willingness of Dana White to admit that Fedor is the #1 guy, has created a Moment that they desperately wanted Fedor to capitalize on, and now that they see that window of opportunity closing, they blame Fedor more than the UFC.
But in order to do that, they have to tacitly admit that the way the UFC does business, the “all out” approach, which has yielded them such success, is right, and trying to get the UFC to change its business is impudent.
“The Anti-Fedor”
That’s awesome. I’m not calling Brock anything else from now on.
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by RearNakedChoker on Jul 31, 2009 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions
the UFC should sign Kharitonov and hold UFC 108 in Moscow.
Not even to make money per say but just to say ‘fuck you’ to M1 hoe-bal.
by willydynamite on Jul 30, 2009 4:31 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Moscow is a terrible idea. They run into the same problem that Japan would be… organized crime, and Vadim has stated in the past that he has much of the promoting companies around Moscow under his wing, and they’d make it difficult for the UFC to come to town.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 30, 2009 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
if thats the case, why are they strolling into LA on the 28th all willy nilly?
Doesn’t dana know any mafiosos? Hell, the crips…anybody.
I still think they should sign Kharitonov tho. I’ve always liked him as a fighter.
by willydynamite on Jul 30, 2009 4:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
LOL
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by Leland Roling on Jul 30, 2009 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions
The poll says it all.
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by Derek Suboticki on Jul 30, 2009 5:10 PM EDT reply actions
What’s with all the racism?
I mean damn, so many people here are just making us look so bad with all the “commie, russian prick, vodka swilling” bullshit! Don’t forget where y’all are!
Bloody Elbow mofos! This ain’t Sherdog! If I were Fedor, I wouldn’t give a fuck about fans like this either.
At the very least, wait til tomorrow! Give this guy (that we all claim to love) the benefit of the doubt! What kind of fans are you, and who would want fans with that kind of attitude?
Y’all sound like a buncha Brock Lesnars! :p
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by RearNakedChoker on Jul 30, 2009 5:25 PM EDT reply actions
What would you say those people’s comments are alluding to then?
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by RearNakedChoker on Jul 30, 2009 5:34 PM EDT reply actions
Ok. Call it what you will. It’s still sucks seeing BE readers act this way. We’re better than that.
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by RearNakedChoker on Jul 30, 2009 6:11 PM EDT reply actions
“We’re better than that”
Don’t suppose you see the irony?
by Chris Barton on Jul 30, 2009 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t actually. Can you clue me in?
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by RearNakedChoker on Jul 30, 2009 10:56 PM EDT reply actions

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