UFC's "Generous Offer" to Fedor
by poundnground on Jul 29, 2009 10:11 PM EDT
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So we all know the deal with M-1 and what they are saying about co-promotion. I'm not here to say who's right and wrong in this deal, but I can tell you some of the specifics that were offered to Fedor.....
- The UFC offered Fedor a 6 fight, 30 million dollar contract. That's 5 mil a fight
- The UFC offered Fedor an immediate title shot
- Lesnar/Fedor would be the biggest PPV in MMA history (we assume), and the UFC offered M-1 Global a cut of the PPV on top of Fedor's purse.
- Fedor was free to wear as many M-1 logoed items as he wished.
- The UFC also relented on allowing Fedor to compete in combat sambo.
Apparently, for good or bad, M-1 refuses to sign a deal unless the UFC agrees to co-promote.
I can tell you right now, the boys at ZUFFA will never, EVER agree to that. So if M-1 doesnt relent on that item alone, the Fedor to UFC talks are dead. Look for Team Emelianenko to turn to Strikeforce next. With co-promotions already in the books with Affliction, that shouldnt be a stopping point.
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Well that's about as far as the UFC is going to take it. Ball is in M-1's court.
They just need to back off that co-promote bullshit and they will have landed their fighter a killer deal.
Deal will never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever get any sweeter than that.
Keep firing Assholes!
Thanks to Bisping's reenactment of the Battle of Cowpens, walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
I am dumbfounded.
Who the fuck else is going to pay 20% of that?
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by Derek Suboticki on Jul 30, 2009 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
If this deal is turned down, then it is clearly not about the money.
And kudos to Dana for going for it.
If true, that’s a heck of a deal for Fedor. Far beyond what I imagined the offer would be. The UFC is even throwing in a % for all of the scumbags that surround Fedor.
Time for Fedor do what’s best for he and his family.
Seriously, if that’s the deal being offered, the Fertittas and Dana deserve a medal. That’s how you operate a big time sports business.
I’ve always laughed when they said a more powerful UFC would pay fighters less. That’s actual professional sports money.
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by Derek Suboticki on Jul 30, 2009 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Too focused on Fedor making money…not focused enough on M-1 making money. that’s the only reason I can see it got turned down.
This is an insanely good deal.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jul 29, 2009 10:30 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
truth..
you saved me some typing time. haha.
by Anton Tabuena on Jul 29, 2009 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions
If M-1 is getting points on the PPV then they’ll be making millions per fight as well. I have a hard time believing this is actually what they offered, that must be twice what any other fighter makes.
I don’t think they’re actually going to let him kill me... And if he does kills me, book sales will really go up. Boom…win-win, bitch.- Forrest Griffin on Anderson Silva
by ufc4 on Jul 29, 2009 10:53 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, not to mention how pissed other UFC fighters, like Lesnar, would be.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 29, 2009 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
you know Randy would be pissed off
Yes, time flies. And where did it leave you? Old too soon...smart too late. - Mike Tyson
by lovingmma25 on Jul 29, 2009 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions
RANDY
How bout the whole UFC roster for a guy who is not a FUCKING DRAW
by The Bronzeville Bully on Jul 29, 2009 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions
exactly
just the fact that this offer is out in the open, whether he takes it or not… is gonna anger alot of people.
This is out in the open...
because the UFC wants it out in the open. Believe that
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jul 29, 2009 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This way no person can say the UFC didn’t try their asses off to get the best fighter in the world. It works out for them…they always claim to want to put on the best fights, now they save a ton of money and look good doing it.
If some fighter wants to bitch about it, tell him to go be undefeated his whole career and come back when he pulls that off.
"You guys are jerking eachother off with some pseudo deep bullshit." - Kid Nate
by Kaleb Kelchner on Jul 29, 2009 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok, Lyoto Machida now wants his $5 million a fight, where’s his deal?
I don’t think they’re actually going to let him kill me... And if he does kills me, book sales will really go up. Boom…win-win, bitch.- Forrest Griffin on Anderson Silva
by ufc4 on Jul 29, 2009 11:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
He’s working on it. lol
"You guys are jerking eachother off with some pseudo deep bullshit." - Kid Nate
by Kaleb Kelchner on Jul 29, 2009 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s part of what makes me doubt it, why would they make this public and risk pissing off every other top fighter on their roster? This would be akin to the Cardinals signing Albert Pujols to a $50 million per year extension, that would cause salaries for every other star player to go way up and end up costing MLB billions of dollars.
I don’t think they’re actually going to let him kill me... And if he does kills me, book sales will really go up. Boom…win-win, bitch.- Forrest Griffin on Anderson Silva
by ufc4 on Jul 29, 2009 11:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
oh and i should clarify that when i said...
…. “alot of people”, i shouldve said “alot of fighters”. whether this deal is accepted is kinda of irrelevant. just the fact that it was offered is gonna make a laundry list of other guys start yelling “what about me?”.
what was the offer they supposedly gave fedor that set off the couture/affliction mess in the first place? 3 million a fight? that’s small potatoes compared to this.
big difference: UFC can profit from it. Affliction couldn’t.
"Like a ballet of violence clothed in fine Brazilian silk." ~ MMASuPreMaCy
yeah, that’s kind of a seperate issue though. i was more speaking to the fact that a SMALLER offer than this, set off a chain of events where their heavyweight champion tried to jump ship. not saying that’s set to happen again, but they shouldnt be surprised if they big names start clamoring for bigger paychecks when it’s time to renegotiate.
Dana and Co seem to be quite adept at smothering those kinds of fires before they take hold.
"Like a ballet of violence clothed in fine Brazilian silk." ~ MMASuPreMaCy
Didn’t they say they topped the ufc’s offer? If money isn’t an issue then why the fuck would you not take it and have your brand be worn by the greatest heavyweight ever on the greatest org on earth? This whole co promoting bullshit has a lot to do with jealousy and mooching off of others success.
by poundnground on Jul 29, 2009 10:31 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
They spent way too much time...
on the press conference today talking about how great M-1 is. The fact that they’re basically saying “we want to be a big time competitor…now co-promote with us!” is just stupid
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jul 29, 2009 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions
just m1 copromoting?
good job supremacy..
by Anton Tabuena on Jul 29, 2009 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Yup, co-promoting is all they want. Easy enough right? LOL
I dunno…hahaha.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 29, 2009 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Co promoting. Give it a rest, they want a bribe.
by Michael Rome on Jul 29, 2009 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions
What would this bribe consist of? A shiny new stadium?
=)
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 29, 2009 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions
$30 Million,
they can built a stadium, by Finkie a pink Bentley, co promote with everyone but the UFC. These people are just retarded if this is true. With that much cash they could promote every single red Devil fighter and let them fight in Russia in their new stadium.
It’s fast becoming “not all about the legacy” also
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jul 29, 2009 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Right...
so it’s not about legacy, not about fighting the best, not about the money.
It’s all about…M-1?
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jul 29, 2009 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
He never said it wasn’t about fighting the best.
To be honest, Fedor probably doesn’t even know who the UFC has as HWs beyond Lesnar.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 29, 2009 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Eh? He knows Big Nog, Handy, and Cro Cop. Probably a few others.
by a tommy point on Jul 29, 2009 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I think he at least understands the general landscape, which big names are where, etc.
by a tommy point on Jul 29, 2009 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Sort of. They asked him once what he thinks about some American fighters, and he was like, huh? =)
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 29, 2009 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions
youre still taking their side?
they only want to leech of fedor via co-promotion which would mean even more publicity and cash to promote his business..
how is that fucking right?
by Anton Tabuena on Jul 29, 2009 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Taking their side? No. But I did predict that these negotations were not going to be easy. They both have to be able to meet in the middle to work it out.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 29, 2009 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions
The UFC just went 95% of the way over to Fedor’s side.
Keep firing Assholes!
Thanks to Bisping's reenactment of the Battle of Cowpens, walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
And that other 5% would jeopardize the business model that put them in position to offer a 6 FIGHT 30 MILLION DOLLAR CONTRACT.
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by Derek Suboticki on Jul 30, 2009 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
read the post...
isn’t that more than fucking meeting in the middle already?
by Anton Tabuena on Jul 29, 2009 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, I guess it all depends what M-1 is looking for, and who knows what that is.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 29, 2009 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions
MORE MONEY.. you're too blind and biased to see that?
by Anton Tabuena on Jul 29, 2009 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions
This has to be more than money, that’s my take, anyways.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 29, 2009 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s stupid then.
This is, by far, the most money they can expect. Yes, it’s less than some sick splitting of all the profits, but they have to realize they have absolutely no leverage here.
30 million is a lot of money. Just having Fedor wear M1 in the cage is much more effective than them actually saying, “this is a co-promotion with M1” during the broadcast.
If they don’t take this they need to lay off the vodka.
Dude COME ON!
Meet in the middle? Seriously?
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jul 29, 2009 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Ideally, but, it doesn’t look to be the case here…LOL.
Somehow, I don’t think Strikeforce will be offering Fedor a deal like that, so, who knows.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 29, 2009 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions
There is no middle with the current reported offer. It’s heavily in favor of Fedor and his people. There’s plenty of compensation to make them forget all about whatever issues they may have had with the contract stipulations.
Co-promotion simply isn’t an option. It’s not even on the table for discussion. There is zero incentive for the UFC to go down that road.
by a tommy point on Jul 29, 2009 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ll be shocked if Strikeforce offers Fedor ANY deal.
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by Derek Suboticki on Jul 30, 2009 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Fuck.
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by Eugene Schelfaut on Jul 29, 2009 10:33 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 2 recs
To be honest..
I’m not sure Fedor/Lesnar will top 1.5 mill buys. I do not think it will be the biggest PPV in UFC history. Especially since Mr. Logic said this fight will occur at 103, no way to have enough time to promote this fight.
Chuck vs Lesnar would be #1 PPV ever, I reckon.
=)
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 29, 2009 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions
They promote basically all of their fights for two weeks or less anyway.
by Michael Rome on Jul 29, 2009 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions
All that requires is having the people ready.
The one for BJ/GSP was aired the 3 weeks before the fight and filmed the 3 weeks before the fight, the stuff that was airing was from the previous week, some if it was 24 hours old.
Let Fedor
Sign with another organization and then they will go out of business bc no one else makes enough to pay him like this
by SouthAlaBamaRampage on Jul 29, 2009 10:34 PM EDT reply actions
If Fedor doesn’t sign it….
FEDOR FEARS LESNAR
by AlwaysRelaxing on Jul 29, 2009 10:35 PM EDT reply actions
not really..
it’s hard to decide on your own when the devil is whispering on your ear..
by Anton Tabuena on Jul 29, 2009 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions
ok cancel that.. #m1globalsucks is better..
i’m @antontabuena message me if you’d do that.. :)
by Anton Tabuena on Jul 29, 2009 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Nobody…. Not 1 person…. Can blame Dana White or Lorenzo Fertitta if Fedor Emelianenko does not sign with the UFC.
by AlwaysRelaxing on Jul 29, 2009 10:38 PM EDT reply actions
I don’t blame them at all. They are trying, so, what can you do. Good job Zuffa at putting the effort there.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 29, 2009 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions
ATTN D. White
I will fight Brock Lesnar. Just cross out Fedor’s name and let me sign that contract.
Keep firing Assholes!
Thanks to Bisping's reenactment of the Battle of Cowpens, walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
Them Russians aren’t crazy, they are delusional!
by steveoc24 on Jul 29, 2009 10:42 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
there has to be something we don’t know b/c this is making no sense at all
Yes, time flies. And where did it leave you? Old too soon...smart too late. - Mike Tyson
That’s what I am saying. I think there is more to it than just this.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 29, 2009 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions
There are probably a hundred things we dont know, like what Finkie puts in Fedro’s vodka to brainwash him.
I don’t think they’re actually going to let him kill me... And if he does kills me, book sales will really go up. Boom…win-win, bitch.- Forrest Griffin on Anderson Silva
by ufc4 on Jul 29, 2009 11:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, M-1 Global wants a hit and run, with Fedor taking the UFC HW belt, and coming straight to M-1. This is why M-1 wants co-promotion so bad…so the casual person will have even HEARD of them, and know that they have the UFC HW Champ. Thats the deal. That has to be it. UFC went as far as to give them a PPV percentage and it wasn’t enough. Vadim wants to be able to walk away with a money making machine and jumpstart M-1.
Fuck this “UFC isn’t Global” bullshit with M-1. FEDOR’S OWN BROTHER AND TRAINING PARTNER has said Vadim is using Fedor. I think the only thing we don’t know is how bad Fedor has been fucked over his whole career.
If my manager told me to turn down a 5 mil. a fight deal I would tell him to fuck off and sign the mother fucking contract. Period. No bullshit about it. My mom could be my manager and I’d tell her to shoove it if she told me to pass up this kind of deal.
This is a travesty.
"You guys are jerking eachother off with some pseudo deep bullshit." - Kid Nate
by Kaleb Kelchner on Jul 29, 2009 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I do believe Fedor thinks turning something like this down is smart. However, I think that is because of some influence from Vadim who is getting in his ear.
A good manager would have had him sign it already. That is really in the best interest for Fedor.
by AlwaysRelaxing on Jul 29, 2009 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions
For all the Dana haters reading who think Dana would do the same thing in Vadim’s shoes…this is exactly why he quit managing Chuck and Tito back in the day. So he wouldn’t end up wanting to line his pockets at the fighters expense.
"You guys are jerking eachother off with some pseudo deep bullshit." - Kid Nate
by Kaleb Kelchner on Jul 29, 2009 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions
If this shit is for real and he turned that down
It’s time to just, I hate to say it, Fuck Fedor and move on. This shit does not make any sense. That offer is something that would piss off a locker room and he turned that down.
by The Bronzeville Bully on Jul 29, 2009 10:55 PM EDT reply actions
With 6 fights, Fedor is going to lose. The UFC will put Brock Lesnar, Randy Couture, Lyoto Machida, & Anderson Silva as his opponents. And statistically, no one fighter is likely to come out the victor against all 4 of those guys.
I think deep down, Fedor knows they are just looking to get him beaten and get him out of there after his 6 fights are over. So he is now between a rock and a hard place…. He either gets a lot of money, gets beaten, and completely loses his aura…. Or he doesn’t sign, and looks scared now that Zuffa released these numbers.
The UFC has officially played hardball with Fedor. And they used the media to paint him into a corner.
by AlwaysRelaxing on Jul 29, 2009 10:57 PM EDT reply actions
This has to be the case, there is no way, they could guarantee any fighter that much money. No way!
by The Bronzeville Bully on Jul 29, 2009 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Even if they decide to go to Strikeforce, no way they make this kind of money even if Strikeforce agrees to co-promote with M1. Obviously Fedor’s management is not in it for his client’s best interest.
Key word here is obviously…I don’t know how some people can sit around and think Fedor isn’t getting robbed…it’s plain as fucking day.
"You guys are jerking eachother off with some pseudo deep bullshit." - Kid Nate
by Kaleb Kelchner on Jul 29, 2009 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions
They are just trying to milk the cow. They are trying to call UFC for their bluff. They will eventually have to fold into the UFC’s generous offer.
The UFC’s generous offer isn’t going to be around for another 2 years…Fedor WILL start to get old, and he may lose. Right now is the time to cash in for Christ sake! Did Fink ever take a course in busines…or common sense? I mean…seriously.
"You guys are jerking eachother off with some pseudo deep bullshit." - Kid Nate
by Kaleb Kelchner on Jul 29, 2009 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t see how it would be better to go to Strikeforce (that is if they want to copromote with M-1) and not make the amount of money that Zuffa is offering
I don’t see how and when their copromoting has helped any of the organizations they have worked with
Yes, time flies. And where did it leave you? Old too soon...smart too late. - Mike Tyson
Because it has nothing to do with helping the other organization.
"You guys are jerking eachother off with some pseudo deep bullshit." - Kid Nate
by Kaleb Kelchner on Jul 29, 2009 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm going to post this down here
just to make sure people see it. Please understand that if this is out in the open…it is only because the UFC wants it out in the open. This isn’t some massive leak…it was a strategic move by Zuffa.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jul 29, 2009 11:09 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
What else more could they offer really? M-1 has to co-promote every UFC from here on out? Thats redonkulous. It’s not enough that they will get a cut of the PPV for doing absolutely nothing?
by TannerMatthews on Jul 29, 2009 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions
It was definitely not leaked. They basically gave a detailed press release to one guy and told him to spread it. And he did… On multiple forums.
They obviously think Fedor and Vadim are acting irrational and think their offer speaks for itself. They are right.
by AlwaysRelaxing on Jul 29, 2009 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I will say, although I’m raising hell right now…I really think the deal has been signed. Because it is beyond all rational thought that Fedor and his management would turn that down. That kind of contract is almost a decade ahead of it’s time…and this isn’t going to happen for your everyday fighter…
"You guys are jerking eachother off with some pseudo deep bullshit." - Kid Nate
by Kaleb Kelchner on Jul 29, 2009 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions
This is for sure Brent, but do they really think it will work? What pressure do Fedor or Finkie feel by this being in the open? They live in Russia, they don’t give a fuck what the American public thinks. All this is gonna do is piss off dozens of the fighters currently on their roster. You think Brock Lesnar won’t remember this when his contract is up? He can’t have many fights left on his deal.
I don’t think they’re actually going to let him kill me... And if he does kills me, book sales will really go up. Boom…win-win, bitch.- Forrest Griffin on Anderson Silva
by ufc4 on Jul 29, 2009 11:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
They better give a shit about what the american mma fans think. M-1 is coming to LA aug 28th. And there’s no better place for MMA right now then North America.
by TannerMatthews on Jul 29, 2009 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions
After reading this post..
I think Dana will be announcing the signing of Fedor on Friday. No way they turn this down.
"Fedor says, "the offer which was made by ufc is not inrteresting to us.""
This guys has lost his fucken mind
I don’t think they’re actually going to let him kill me... And if he does kills me, book sales will really go up. Boom…win-win, bitch.- Forrest Griffin on Anderson Silva
by ufc4 on Jul 29, 2009 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
From Sherdog
M-1 Global suggested it could take legal action against Affliction regarding the cancellation of the Aug. 1 event. “We’re exploring all options at this time, legally, with regard to Affliction and what we believe took place,” said Mark Hines, attorney for M-1 Global and Emelianenko. “We’re not prepared to say where we’re going to go with this, but I can promise you and I can promise Affliction that if something was done wrong, somebody will be held responsible.”
Why doesn’t M-1 really know what happened? They were the copromoters, right?
Yes, time flies. And where did it leave you? Old too soon...smart too late. - Mike Tyson
two more quotes
Finkelstein said the UFC made a new offer to Emelianenko, and M-1 Global made a counteroffer. However, Finkelstein said Emelianenko would not proceed without a co-promotional effort between M-1 and the UFC where they shared expenses and profits.
This makes no sense – am I the only one that does not understand why M-1 would counteroffer?
"If we had such an offer two years ago which we got yesterday, maybe we would be (interested), but not in today’s situation –- we cannot accept that offer," said Finkelstein.
If this offer is no good today but would have been okay two years ago – how much do they really think Fedor is worth?
Yes, time flies. And where did it leave you? Old too soon...smart too late. - Mike Tyson
by lovingmma25 on Jul 29, 2009 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions
What possible expenses could M-1 have in co-promoting a fight? Travel? Hotel? Meals? What the fuck would they have to spend money on. They have virtually no infrastructure. It would be the UFC taking on the expenses and M-1 gobbling up the profits. That’s Vadim’s idea of “sharing”.
by a tommy point on Jul 29, 2009 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Sounds like the Affliction events are making him think that he can actually draw. Ridiculous.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito Ortiz on Vitor Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on Jul 29, 2009 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions
It's not
if he knocks out Brock Lesnar, or submits him, or beats him in a 5-round war. He won’t draw initially with a lot of newer fans in America, but he’ll draw fans in other countries and the hardcore MMA fans in this country. And if he beats Lesnar, and then were to beat Couture and possibly Nogueira? He’d sure as hell become a major draw…
you know what they say, If if was a fifth, we be drunk all day
Yes, time flies. And where did it leave you? Old too soon...smart too late. - Mike Tyson
by lovingmma25 on Jul 29, 2009 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree
He’s got his head up his ass.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito Ortiz on Vitor Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on Jul 29, 2009 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions
If this is the offer Dana gave...
And Fedor and his puppet master Fink said no, then I think Dana is going to be in war mode. War Dana
I know it would be spam
but this needs to appear as every 5th post on BE
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