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UFC 101 Preview: Kenny Florian's Improvements Must Shine Against B.J. Penn

Penn_v_florian_faceoff_mediumKenny Florian's upcoming bout with UFC Lightweight champion B.J. Penn at UFC 101 is definitely one of the more interesting match-ups to come along within the division in the last few years. Most notably, it will feature a Kenny Florian who seems to be improving by leaps and bounds in nearly every single fight against a B.J. Penn who isn't receiving the confidence vote from fans since his beating at UFC 94 against Georges St. Pierre.

The interest in the fight doesn't only come from the fact that this is a title fight, but rather that Florian is increasingly better in nearly every single bout in the Octagon. The Boston-native went from being overpowered by the behemoth lightweight wrestling powerhouse in Sean Sherk at UFC 64 to defeating Dokonjonosuke Mishima, Alvin Robinson, Din Thomas, Joe Lauzon, Roger Huerta, and Joe Stevenson.

Most notably, Florian's boxing, Muay Thai, and jiu-jitsu have benefited from the extra hours that have been put into those pieces of his skill set. Florian recently talked with Derek Bolander over at MMAMania.com regarding his upcoming match-up with B.J. Penn, and he's added top-notch strength and conditioning to his regiment along with a helping hand from Georges St. Pierre's camp:

Derek Bolender (MMAmania.com): Everybody knows by now that you did some training up in Canada with Georges St. Pierre for you upcoming fight with BJ Penn. Did you decide to go up there to get help with a game plan since GSP just fought him or were you going simply to hone your overall skills?

Kenny Florian: Really I was there to hone my overall skills. I’ve been wanting to train with Georges St. Pierre and his camp for a long time now. I started working with Jonathan Chaimberg, his strength and conditioning coach. He’s my new strength and conditioning coach. I’ve been working with him for the last three months in preparation for this fight. I got to work with Firas Zahaby as well who is a phenomenal trainer. And, of course, I got the chance to learn and spar and train with Georges St. Pierre.

Anytime you get the chance to train with one of the best pound-for-pound guys and feel that pressure and intensity in training it’s going to help you grow as a fighter. Were there things we talked about with BJ? Yeah, there were things that I already knew, but as far as game planning, everybody is different. I’m a much different fighter than Georges St. Pierre. Some of the things he can do I’m not going to be able to do so I have to come up with a completely different game plan for BJ Penn.

One of the key areas that I thought Florian really lacked was raw power. The Lauzon fight was a bit of an awakening to that problem as he had Lauzon full-mounted, but Lauzon was actually able to withstand the punishment. The fight was stopped mostly due to the fact that Lauzon just couldn't improve his position or buck Florian, but added power to those punches would have likely been a welcome attribute. This isn't to say that Florian needs that type of power, but it can only help his overall skill set.

Getting into the cage with someone like Georges St. Pierre will also give Florian some sort of idea of the kind of pressure he would need to put on Penn if this becomes a ground war in which Florian would need to avoid submissions. As Florian states in the answer however, gameplans are completely different from fighter to fighter in some cases. It's definitely true in this case.

Penn's hand speed at 155 is uncanny, so it'll be Florian's fight to show fans he can hang with one of the speediest strikers in the game. The same will be true on the ground as Penn's perceived skill level being considered very high.

A lot of fans have tried to downgrade Florian's past accomplishments, and they may have a slight case against where he's actually ranked among lightweights. Typical arguments aim at the fact that Robinson was a prospect, Thomas blew his knee out, Lauzon wasn't a significant step-up in competition, Huerta fought with a terrible gameplan, and Stevenson isn't a top-notch lightweight. I would only agree with some of those statements, but I think a Sean Sherk rematch would surely solidify Florian as an upper-echelon lightweight. Instead of a rematch with the man that fueled Florian's desire to become one of the best MMA fighters in the business, he'll take on an even tougher task in B.J. Penn. It should truly tell us whether Kenny Florian has improved remarkably once again in the face of being an underdog.

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I agree that it's unfair

to discount Florian’s opponents after the fact. Those are quality wins, but when comparing these fighters as common opponents, in my opinion it seems BJ Penn has been more impressive in victory (or defeat, in the case of Ken-Flo vs. Sherk). I think strength may be a problem for Florian again, as I think a misplaced kick could give Penn the opportunity to put Ken on his back, then use the GnP game to work for a sub or the back and TKO.

by rzor on Jul 30, 2009 11:42 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Well, discounting the Din Thomas win is fair. The dude’s knee popped out – and not from anything Kenny did.

Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones

by jemaleddin on Jul 30, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kenny’s celebration annoyed me almost as bad as Frank’s celebration on TUF 9

Yes, time flies. And where did it leave you? Old too soon...smart too late. - Mike Tyson

by lovingmma25 on Jul 30, 2009 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or Nate Diaz in his TUF Finale win over Manny.

Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones

by jemaleddin on Jul 30, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah I know

I believe that Manny gave Nate that fight

Yes, time flies. And where did it leave you? Old too soon...smart too late. - Mike Tyson

by lovingmma25 on Jul 30, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’d kill to see that rematch.

"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito Ortiz on Vitor Belfort at Affliction:DOR

by Rundownloser on Jul 30, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Too bad Manny’s fighting at featherweight now.

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by Richard Wade on Jul 30, 2009 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think the only way Kenny can win this fight is by cutting up BJ Penn’s head with elbows. Thats the only way.

by Bandaka on Jul 30, 2009 12:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

GSP couldn’t cut BJ with elbows but Kenny’s elbows are on a whole ’nother level

Yes, time flies. And where did it leave you? Old too soon...smart too late. - Mike Tyson

by lovingmma25 on Jul 30, 2009 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Welcome to the forums, Mr. Goldberg. Glad to have you. ;)

Seriously, though, how many wins-by-elbow-cut does Florian have? Goldberg talks them up, but I only recall the one.

"I'd love to be a Cheick Kongo looking brother that could actually move and do a lot of funky stuff - Jiu Jitsu, takedowns, kicks and stuff." - Jon Jones.

"The training's going great for UFC 101. I'm making sure not to overtrain." - B.J. Penn.

by outlander78 on Jul 30, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

he cut Lauzon with an elbow to the back of the head

he bloodied Sherk in their title fight

can’t think of any others…you?

Yes, time flies. And where did it leave you? Old too soon...smart too late. - Mike Tyson

by lovingmma25 on Jul 30, 2009 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You are right about those.

Cutting Sherk worked against Florian, as Sherk bleeding down into Florian’s eyes made it hard to see (Florian said this during one of the pre-UFC 100 best-of shows).

Except on ultimate fighter, though, did Florian ever get a doctor’s stoppage due to a cut he inflicted?

"I'd love to be a Cheick Kongo looking brother that could actually move and do a lot of funky stuff - Jiu Jitsu, takedowns, kicks and stuff." - Jon Jones.

"The training's going great for UFC 101. I'm making sure not to overtrain." - B.J. Penn.

by outlander78 on Jul 30, 2009 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

none that I know of, but I thought the Lauzon fight should have been stopped after the elbow to the back of the head

Yes, time flies. And where did it leave you? Old too soon...smart too late. - Mike Tyson

by lovingmma25 on Jul 30, 2009 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, an elbow to the back of the head that has been the topic of the whole “headphones” elbow rule.

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by Leland Roling on Jul 30, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am wondering if there should be a rule on a mandatory 1-3 min timeout for fighters that have been hit to the back of the head

too many times a fighter takes a hit to the back of the head and continues too soon (IMO) examples like Lauzon and Miller come to mind

Yes, time flies. And where did it leave you? Old too soon...smart too late. - Mike Tyson

by lovingmma25 on Jul 30, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He cut Leben.

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by Richard Wade on Jul 30, 2009 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This non-Fedor article is throwing my equilibrium off

by Nick Travaglini on Jul 30, 2009 12:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Personally, I need it. I cannot take another Fedor article

Yes, time flies. And where did it leave you? Old too soon...smart too late. - Mike Tyson

by lovingmma25 on Jul 30, 2009 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

^this

I realized that I was getting all tense reading all the comments. This is a welcome break from the Fedor-mania right now. LOL

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by funnytiger on Jul 30, 2009 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m done reading Fedor stories until I see something groundbreaking pop up in Outlook from my BE RSS feed. No more… seriously. Damn it. I don’t know if I can do it.

by cmsove on Jul 30, 2009 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

MMA is always going to be about the lighter wieght classes to me anyways.

by Bandaka on Jul 30, 2009 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, thank you!

Always dynamic and exciting. Leave the headlines to the heavyweights, and the highlights to the lightweights (or FW and WW).

by rzor on Jul 30, 2009 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed. I have yet to see a WEC card that doesn’t impress the hell out of me.

by cmsove on Jul 30, 2009 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The thing to me is that Penn seems to let the fight be dictated to him. He seems to be so comfortable standing at distance or on the ground that he’ll let the fight go wherever his opponent wants to take it. This indicates to me that whoever has better stand up will win the fight, which is a really interesting question.

by Meester on Jul 30, 2009 1:11 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Lets not forget, Freddie Roach said BJ has the best hands in MMA.

by Bandaka on Jul 30, 2009 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes he did. However, boxing isn’t MMA, and just like punches raining down can limit a BJJ expert, Penn can only put on a boxing clinic if his opponent goes along. If Florian kicks and circles, Penn will have to close, or wrestle, or do something other than use those awsome jabs of his.

"I'd love to be a Cheick Kongo looking brother that could actually move and do a lot of funky stuff - Jiu Jitsu, takedowns, kicks and stuff." - Jon Jones.

"The training's going great for UFC 101. I'm making sure not to overtrain." - B.J. Penn.

by outlander78 on Jul 30, 2009 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Man, it’s a good thing BJ isn’t fighting GSP again!

Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones

by jemaleddin on Jul 30, 2009 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

a) That isn’t BJ’s attitude any more: he’s stated that after watching his own fights, he’s realized that unless there’s a change in MMA judging, you just can’t spend a round on your back.
b) Sherk didn’t stand and trade just because he wanted to try out his hands – it was because he couldn’t take BJ down. Does MonthlyFlow have better takedowns? :-)

Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones

by jemaleddin on Jul 30, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He tried a single, weak takedown. Later, he said he was angry with BJ and gave in to his desire to punch him.

If Sherk tried a few takedowns each round, then I’d buy that he couldn’t take Penn down, but a one-off attempt doesn’t count. This wasn’t Bisping v Henderson, where any attempt was amusing.

"I'd love to be a Cheick Kongo looking brother that could actually move and do a lot of funky stuff - Jiu Jitsu, takedowns, kicks and stuff." - Jon Jones.

"The training's going great for UFC 101. I'm making sure not to overtrain." - B.J. Penn.

by outlander78 on Jul 30, 2009 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

all very true, but if you go back and watch it Sherk’s attempted takedown was weak as hell

Yes, time flies. And where did it leave you? Old too soon...smart too late. - Mike Tyson

by lovingmma25 on Jul 30, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Okay, how about this: we’ve seen him shrug off many takedowns from some of the best in the game and it’s only the very top wrestlers like GSP or Matt Hughes (when he works at it) that are even capable of taking BJ down.

And Kenny isn’t that guy.

Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones

by jemaleddin on Jul 30, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

correct

Yes, time flies. And where did it leave you? Old too soon...smart too late. - Mike Tyson

by lovingmma25 on Jul 30, 2009 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

agreed

"I'd love to be a Cheick Kongo looking brother that could actually move and do a lot of funky stuff - Jiu Jitsu, takedowns, kicks and stuff." - Jon Jones.

"The training's going great for UFC 101. I'm making sure not to overtrain." - B.J. Penn.

by outlander78 on Jul 30, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m not saying that KenFlo will try to take BJ down, just the opposite in fact.

IF Kenny tries to take Penn down, I see BJ going to the ground happily. Penn’s fighting style is unique in that he allows his opponent to dictate where the fight takes place. He’s also unique in that he uses his BJJ to GnP more than for submissions.

by Meester on Jul 30, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

These days, I cheer for Penn’s opponent – doesn’t matter who they are. However, at this point Florian seems to me to be like Penn, but not quite as good. Penn has better power standing, and on the ground has legs he can use as a second pair of arms – the guy’s flexibility is truly sick – sick as in, is that broken?

I’ll be cheering for Florian, but I expect Penn to win. If anyone can argue this, please do – it’ll be a pep talk.

"I'd love to be a Cheick Kongo looking brother that could actually move and do a lot of funky stuff - Jiu Jitsu, takedowns, kicks and stuff." - Jon Jones.

"The training's going great for UFC 101. I'm making sure not to overtrain." - B.J. Penn.

by outlander78 on Jul 30, 2009 1:29 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

So wait, you agree with some of those criticisms? Which ones? Are you saying that Thomas didn’t blow out his knee?

Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones

by jemaleddin on Jul 30, 2009 1:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I disagree with people saying he legitimately beat Din Thomas and that it affects his ranking because he still won. I’d almost just pass over that fight at legitimate in pushing his rankings, but that’d almost be unfair considering the fact there are plenty of fights over the course of the last three years that we could say that.

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by Leland Roling on Jul 30, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’d need to re-watch the fight, but I got the feeling that Kenny was winning. But I’d be a fool to count out Din Thomas with 2 rounds left, so it’s hard for me put much credit on Kenny for that win.

Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones

by jemaleddin on Jul 30, 2009 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I just thought of something too, Din didn’t get any slack like Cote did when his knee gave out

Yes, time flies. And where did it leave you? Old too soon...smart too late. - Mike Tyson

by lovingmma25 on Jul 30, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Penn in the second round

by what ever he wants.

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by babar1 on Jul 30, 2009 2:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

One of the strategies that Florian picked up from the training with GSP and might be useful against Penn is implementing a lot of feints in his standup. I think it was Greg Jackson who said BJ’s initial reaction time was one of the quickest he’s seen, but the recovery time after that first reaction was quite a bit longer and allowed GSP to take advantage of that (kinda like the whole Machida Karate ‘kyo’ thing). If Florian has dynamic enough skills to successfully mix in feints with his striking and takedowns he can pick Penn apart in some exchanges. I think it is one of the only strategies that GSP used against Penn that wil work for him and his game plan might revolve around this standing.

I am still picking Penn to win tho

by Davey S. on Jul 30, 2009 2:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Sadly for him, Kenny doesn’t have the speed, strength, and size advantages that GSP has over BJ, so that’s not going to work for him.

Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones

by jemaleddin on Jul 30, 2009 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I envision BJ coming out and attacking Kenny in a similar fashion that he attacked Joe Stevenson and Caol Uno (in their first fight – of course)

Yes, time flies. And where did it leave you? Old too soon...smart too late. - Mike Tyson

by lovingmma25 on Jul 30, 2009 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Me too. I like Kenny, but I just don’t think he can hang. As dominant as GSP is at WW or A.Silva at MW, BJ is that far ahead of the guys at LW.

Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones

by jemaleddin on Jul 30, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

spoken truth

Yes, time flies. And where did it leave you? Old too soon...smart too late. - Mike Tyson

by lovingmma25 on Jul 30, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Preach.

"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito Ortiz on Vitor Belfort at Affliction:DOR

by Rundownloser on Jul 30, 2009 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I mostly agree...

Kenny is not as strong or as big as GSP, but I think the speed is comparable. Kenny looked pretty quick against Stevenson and Huerta. I still think the he will try and try and bait BJ into making a mistake by using those feints.

by Davey S. on Jul 30, 2009 2:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

damn...

in reply to jemaleddin…

by Davey S. on Jul 30, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

S’okay – it’s not like this is a 500-comment Fedor-fest. :-)

He is pretty quick, but that first punch in the BJ/Stevenson fight tells me all I need to know about BJ’s speed and power. :-)

Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones

by jemaleddin on Jul 30, 2009 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes indeed

Yes, time flies. And where did it leave you? Old too soon...smart too late. - Mike Tyson

by lovingmma25 on Jul 30, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

true true

 and im kinda glad this isn’t a comment bonanza, but this post is kinda weirding me out… there is no Penn hate yet… im waiting for it, but its not happening…

by Davey S. on Jul 30, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know what you mean, sometimes I almost don’t want to make any comments in a BJ topic thread b/c the haters come out of the woodwork

Yes, time flies. And where did it leave you? Old too soon...smart too late. - Mike Tyson

by lovingmma25 on Jul 30, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Amen

I felt that same angst this morning when I read this article. I would’ve been the first poster…but it was like… “Here comes the hate mail”. War Penn

by Tony NJ on Jul 30, 2009 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He’s an incredible talent. I think even the guys who hate BJ for the pre-fight talk have to respect his skill

by woomikee on Jul 30, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Would be nice if we could get a smoggy gif of BJ’s opening attack on Joe Stevenson and Caol Uno

Yes, time flies. And where did it leave you? Old too soon...smart too late. - Mike Tyson

by lovingmma25 on Jul 30, 2009 2:20 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I can probably email him for it. Lemme try to get a hold of the ol’ smoog. Or someone could dig it up.

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by Leland Roling on Jul 30, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah I’m ridiculously excited for this fight.

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