Good Times, Great Memories - WAMMA Edition

Fightlinker has up this quote from a Sherdog post:
I actually chatted with the building manager before heading out. She said the WAMMA folks moved out of the building a couple months ago with everything of value in hand. What’s even more surprising is that she also said that everyone from WAMMA stopped returning their calls when they asked what to do with everything left inside.
The Fightlinker post (and the Sherdog thread) feature a host of pictures of WAMMA's deserted office space. I've actually been trying to contact WAMMA officials over the past few weeks to get an update on their status since their rankings hadn't been updated since May 15. I've not gotten a response on any of my phone calls or e-mails though so I assumed the worst (best?) and that they had finally crashed and burned.
I would say the combination of two and a half months without updating their rankings, no discussion of Fedor as WAMMA Champion prior to the Affliction event, no response on e-mails and phone calls from the press, and empty offices all adds up to the death of mixed martial arts' first "major" sanctioning body.
I hate to sound like I'm dancing on their grave but I do feel that I earned the right to throw a whopping "I told you so" on the table here. We here at BloodyElbow aren't content with allowing such a moment go by with a whimper, so after the jump is a look back at our time with WAMMA.
- Luke Thomas posted the initial news that Fedor vs. Sylvia in Affliction would be for the WAMMA Heavyweight Title and then cast doubt on their ability to do anything meaningful.
- I quickly decided the appropriate way to handle WAMMA, even though I was skeptical, was to interview their CEO (Dave Szady) and COO (Mike Lynch) to allow them to explain their intentions.
- The day of the big official belt reveal came and the world was blown away by the combination of bad hair and velcro.
- Luke continued expressing his doubts about WAMMA's ability to do...well, any meaningful.
- WAMMA attended the ABC Convention and presented paperwork stating that they would be looking to make money off of charging sanctioning fees in the future. This was a direct contradiction to what they had told me when I asked about sanctioning fees. Amazingly WAMMA officials responded by saying that they simply went to the biggest convention since their creation with a huge misprint in the paperwork they were handing out. So, have no fear! They're not liars! Just incompetent!
- I then allowed our readers to submit questions for WAMMA officials. This time in addition to Dave Szady and Mike Lynch we were joined by Pat Miletich. In the responses to the questions they gave my personal favorite quote:
As fans are aware, WAMMA recently nixed the idea that Matt Lindland v. Tito Ortiz would be for a WAMMA middleweight title. We would evaluate each potential fight on its merits according to our rankings. To the contrary, we here at WAMMA do believe that a match between Robbie Lawler vs Matt Lindland would make the cut for a legitimate WAMMA Championship match.
- The fan interview was the point that pushed me over the edge with them from just dislike of their goals to thinking they were horrible for the sport. I covered it in one of my favorite pieces I've ever written.
- In their greatest moment WAMMA threatened to sue a BloodyElbow reader for posting a satirical fanpost. And no, I'm not kidding.
- WAMMA was still able to get their rankings featured on ESPN.com's MMA Live which led to me stating that they now had a chance to save their credibility. Luke chimed in by pointing out that ESPN appeared to have some ties to WAMMA already. The absurdity of ESPN using a sanctioning body's rankings made me throw one more brick at their window.
- COO Mike Lynch stepped down and Ranking Committee head Sam Caplan became interim COO, but still (amazingly) remained as the head of the rankings.
- Almost one month later both Pat MIletich and Sam Caplan resigned from WAMMA. It was, in reality, the final nail in the coffin..even if Dave Szady didn't realize it.
Which brings us to today and the unofficial death of MMA's first major sanctioning body. Hopefully this serves to keep the boxing sanctioning body model out of MMA for good, but I still worry we're not far off from seeing a WOMMA come out from the shadows.
3 recs |
105 comments
|
Comments
Seriously, this is best month ever.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito Ortiz on Vitor Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on Jul 28, 2009 6:59 PM EDT reply actions 7 recs
Truth - but this one is special
I feel the same way about WAMMA that HST feels about Nixon. I beat WAMMA like a dog with mange every chance I could and I’m proud of it. They were scum.
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by subo on Jul 28, 2009 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You and me both on that one, brother.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito Ortiz on Vitor Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on Jul 28, 2009 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think they’re actually going to let him kill me... And if he does kills me, book sales will really go up. Boom…win-win, bitch.- Forrest Griffin on Anderson Silva
by ufc4 on Jul 28, 2009 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
This is some of the best news this week. With them dying it will slow down others who hope to leech off of MMA and hurt the sport in the way they did boxing.
by Riney on Jul 28, 2009 7:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Moonwalking through the daisies on this grave. It has been quite a month! No crazy elaborate boxing structures in this dojo!
by Kwisatz Haderach on Jul 28, 2009 7:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Shameless self-promotion! http://twitter.com/scb0212
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by themachiavellian on Jul 28, 2009 7:10 PM EDT reply actions 5 recs
Stick a fork in it!
Amazingly WAMMA officials responded by saying that they simply went to the biggest convention since their creation with a huge misprint in the paperwork they were handing out. So, have no fear! They’re not liars! Just incompetent!
Definitely my favorite WAMMA moment for sure.
Kudos to Brent for sniffing these guys out so early on. My suspicions came fullblown doubt after the they answered the BE community questions.
If there is still room, I too would like to dance on the WAMMA grave. Somebody queue the music! I recommend more cowbell. :)
I love me some Sexyama!
by pud333 on Jul 28, 2009 7:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
A Wamma Exclusive Interview
WAMMA: We’re gonna be a super awesome sanctioning body with kick-ass ratings!
Journalist: Wow, that’s nice WAMMA so are you going to be the non-profit protector of MMA?
WAMMA: What u talkin’ bout Willis? FUCK NO, we’re doing this for the $$$$. Sanctioning fees come to papa!
Journalist: But what about your credibility, and you’re wanting to crown the true champions in each division?
WAMMA: Huh? Yeah all that good stuff, sure, w.e. Just remember to keep all the $$$$ on the D-L. Okay, Our little secret? Hold on a sec, we need to fix this velcro strap, the glue is coming off.
Please don’t sue me WAMMA. SATIRE
by Sokonojudo on Jul 28, 2009 7:21 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Brent, you didn’t clearly mark this as satire. You’re going to get sued.
Oh, wait, it’s serious…?
WAMMA, I shall not miss thee.
"I'm AJB and I endorse this nut-puncher."
by AJB on Jul 28, 2009 7:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ding Dong The Witch Is Dead
Certainly worth a bad song and dance number :D
by who me on Jul 28, 2009 7:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i was saying the same thing last week, while pointing out that some WAMMA’S old ranking committe, are now a part of IWMMAR’S Ranking committe, like, johnathan snowden,jesse holland, jared barnes and ben fowlkes i think the IWMMAR might just be WAMMA in disguise. lets hope this IWMMAR’S does not start anointing champions and making cheesy belts.let me go grab my tin-foil hat. :-)
by bdw on Jul 28, 2009 7:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
For a second there I thought you were talking about the legendary YAMMA and thought “I thought those guys cut town long ago”. In the end, they amounted to the same thing when it was all said and done. They’ll both be remembered as a blueprint of what not to do and for the lulz.
by Zack Gobie on Jul 28, 2009 7:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
WAMMA had a permanent office? I’d always pictured them as operating out of the back of a pickup truck.
Keep firing Assholes!
Thanks to Bisping's reenactment of the Battle of Cowpens, walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by Ubernoober on Jul 28, 2009 7:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh Brent
You’ve waited for this shining, glorious day only to have your crowning story published just as Fedor finally signed with the UFC.
by bignerd on Jul 28, 2009 7:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah...
I know. thunder stealing bastard
Editor - BloodyElbow.com - SBNation's mixed martial arts headquarters.
by Brent Brookhouse on Jul 28, 2009 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hated WAMMA since the announcement or their formation, didn’t even give them a chance. Brent’s article on them is the reason I started visiting BE alot more and basically now exclusively, finally saw someone out there that knew what the hell was really going on.
Fuck WAMMA, from day 1 they were and always will be remembered as a joke…
by Reaser16 on Jul 28, 2009 7:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Office Furniture free for the taking and I bet the office sign will be a real collector’s item one day, maybe on par with the VWWVM belt.
by who me on Jul 28, 2009 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow...
VWWVM title was so good as was Lynch looking like he lived in some shack in North Dakota
Editor - BloodyElbow.com - SBNation's mixed martial arts headquarters.
by Brent Brookhouse on Jul 28, 2009 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still can’t believe that guy is a lawyer
by who me on Jul 28, 2009 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lynch
Seperated at birth?

I don’t think they’re actually going to let him kill me... And if he does kills me, book sales will really go up. Boom…win-win, bitch.- Forrest Griffin on Anderson Silva
by ufc4 on Jul 28, 2009 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Mate that thing with the guy on the cover of MAD Magazine and you get Lynch.
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by subo on Jul 28, 2009 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
WAMMA was actually bad for the sport. And if (like the rumors say) Fedor goes to the UFC, then the Zuffa Championship belts (minus the WEC LW Title) are the best in the world.
by AlwaysRelaxing on Jul 28, 2009 8:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It will be like the happy end of a long journey.
Until Shooto finally awards a 114lb belt—but of course the WEC will probably add that class as soon as there’s enough talent to warrant it.
It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.
by capital L on Jul 28, 2009 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Someone post the gif of their upside down belt…. that picture says it all.
by mmalogic on Jul 28, 2009 8:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
In what city is WAMMA’s aforementioned deserted office space?
by Cannon Jacques on Jul 28, 2009 8:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I believe it’s in Orlando.
Twitter: @Mike_Fagan_13
http://www.sackmikegoldberg.com
by Mike Fagan on Jul 28, 2009 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who was the money man behind WAMMA? Who paid for the velcro belt and Fedor’s commemorative rings?
Well look at that, I’m writing in the past tense.
by Jahbulon on Jul 28, 2009 8:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
They had angel investors
basically investors giving them money with no promise of anything back
Editor - BloodyElbow.com - SBNation's mixed martial arts headquarters.
by Brent Brookhouse on Jul 28, 2009 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
: )
Thank you again to everyone at Bloody Elbow.
by mattman73 on Jul 28, 2009 8:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, you sure did win that one.
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by subo on Jul 28, 2009 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did everything work out with all of that? Were you brought to court or anything?
by MattTil on Jul 28, 2009 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
WAMMA was a joke ever since they pulled that first belt out a cracker jack box.
by Paradoxx on Jul 28, 2009 8:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
lol
http://cgi.ebay.ca/b422-b-WAMMA-MMA-Fight-Badge-Neon-Light-Sign_W0QQitemZ260454061708QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3ca445968c&trksid=p3286.c0.m14&trkparms=65%3A12|66%3A2|39%3A1|72%3A1215|293%3A1|294%3A50
by Phildo on Jul 28, 2009 8:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Link fail.
But if you copy and paste it you should get there.
by Phildo on Jul 28, 2009 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brent should buy it and then video himself destroying it to post on the site. That sounds like a legitimate business expense, right?
by Phildo on Jul 28, 2009 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If I bought it...
I’d not be destroying it. I’ll start to build up memorabilia from companies I think I had a hand in bringing down.
Editor - BloodyElbow.com - SBNation's mixed martial arts headquarters.
by Brent Brookhouse on Jul 28, 2009 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Glue it to a tombstone or something.
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by subo on Jul 28, 2009 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah...
very Dana of me
Editor - BloodyElbow.com - SBNation's mixed martial arts headquarters.
by Brent Brookhouse on Jul 28, 2009 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brent, did you know that your WAMMA piece was the one that got me to sign up in BE?
I’ve been visiting the site a while before that, but after the whole wamma issue, their response, and your posts, it made me want to be part of the BE community.
so again, thanks for that. :)
by Anton Tabuena on Jul 28, 2009 9:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow...
thanks man. I’ve heard a lot of good things about the WAMMA work so today is actually really bittersweet for me. It feels like I (and BE as a whole) had a legitimate hand in bringing them down. But at the same time…I’m gonna miss them.
Editor - BloodyElbow.com - SBNation's mixed martial arts headquarters.
by Brent Brookhouse on Jul 28, 2009 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brent. To echo what everyone has been saying. The WAMMA work was outstanding. You gave them a chance but you weren’t gun shy about calling a spade a spade. The reader being threatened with a lawsuit was one of my favorite BE moments ever. I loved it, although I felt real bad for the poster. Did that work out for the fellow?
by MattTil on Jul 28, 2009 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I lost my shit when they threatened mattman. I think that’s where I really fell in love with this site and hit my stride.
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by subo on Jul 28, 2009 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The most fun I have ever had on the internet was the day WAMMA tried to sue mattman73. He’s definatly one of the heroes of the fight.
by who me on Jul 28, 2009 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So if nothing else, WAMMA are to thank for bringing Subo out of his shell!
'He built his whole reputation as a waffle house chef. They’ve been serving him up ham and eggs with a side of canned tomatoes' - Don Frye on Fedor Emelianenko
by Well Read Idiot on Jul 29, 2009 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
mattman...
just a few posts up is the guy
Editor - BloodyElbow.com - SBNation's mixed martial arts headquarters.
by Brent Brookhouse on Jul 28, 2009 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
PS, does this mean i can't use wamma belts in funnybone contests anymore?
by Anton Tabuena on Jul 28, 2009 9:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Now you could give out the real one.
Keep firing Assholes!
Thanks to Bisping's reenactment of the Battle of Cowpens, walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by Ubernoober on Jul 28, 2009 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by subo on Jul 28, 2009 9:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Also, note bignerd blaming the UFC for Fitch/GSP not being for a WAMMA belt.
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by subo on Jul 28, 2009 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I reread all those threads, & I had forgotten how dickish smoogy was. What took him so long to get banned?
Shameless self-promotion! http://twitter.com/scb0212
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by themachiavellian on Jul 28, 2009 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The staff liked watching me dismantle him.
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by subo on Jul 28, 2009 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He only made one important contribution

j/k. BE loves u.
by Sokonojudo on Jul 28, 2009 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
I can’t not rec this. I agree with subo on most everything, but this gif is priceless.
Shameless self-promotion! http://twitter.com/scb0212
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by themachiavellian on Jul 28, 2009 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he’s right about Fedor coming to the UFC, I better not see you using the second one around here.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Jul 28, 2009 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But if he’s wrong it will become part of the BE banner.
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by subo on Jul 28, 2009 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Indeed.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Jul 28, 2009 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lol he might say something else. Guess I’ll store it for a special day. Poor Supremacy. =(
by Sokonojudo on Jul 28, 2009 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's SuPreMaCy..
proper capitalization looks better. :)
by Anton Tabuena on Jul 28, 2009 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
^this. He’s earned having his name spelled correctly on the gif telling him to shut the fuck up.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Jul 28, 2009 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There SuPreMaCy, with screwed up name

by Sokonojudo on Jul 28, 2009 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, I like it all capitalized better.
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by subo on Jul 28, 2009 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Much better.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Jul 29, 2009 3:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It looked too weird so I changed it.
by Sokonojudo on Jul 28, 2009 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do the double-KO (with Shonie Carter as the ref!) and have STFU Logic at the top and STFU Supremacy at the bottom. We’ll have need of it before this is over.
"I'm AJB and I endorse this nut-puncher."
by AJB on Jul 28, 2009 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He did make cool gifs, contributed regularly to the community and quite candidly, was adept at keeping staff on their toes. But he was also an insufferable prick who couldn’t fathom the notion there are human parameters when interacting online. He believed we had a low threshold for tolerating mean-spirited snark when all we really have is a common repudiation for people whose identity is only vindictive snark.
We demonstrated the patience of Job in giving him leeway and that wasn’t enough. Ultimately he just wasn’t a good fit for the community.
by Luke Thomas on Jul 28, 2009 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
Beautifully said.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Jul 28, 2009 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess I just like arguing with people too much.
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by subo on Jul 28, 2009 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Considering this entire post is dancing on the grave of WAMMA, I don’t get how he can say that you don’t tolerate “mean-spirited snark”. He was a real fan of the sport, and knew so much about the more obscure orgs, Japanese mma, etc. Too bad he couldn’t unlearn being an ass about it.
Shameless self-promotion! http://twitter.com/scb0212
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by themachiavellian on Jul 28, 2009 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
we love mean spirited snark
but that’s all smoogy had on offer, that and gifs.
And after awhile it was just like, if you hate us so much, go the fuck away.
I had the pleasure of banning him…twice.
Follow me on Twitter @KidNate
by Kid Nate on Jul 29, 2009 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This might be random but..
Since we’re asking about where smoggy went, I was wondering recently what happened to Cannon Jacques. I remember him swooping onto this site and now he’s just disappeared.
by filipinomix2oo0 on Jul 29, 2009 3:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s around. He commented on this post, in fact.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Jul 29, 2009 3:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL oops.
Thanks for pointing out that I’m a dumbass. :-p
by filipinomix2oo0 on Jul 29, 2009 4:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You’re welcome.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Jul 29, 2009 4:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And how did that feel?
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Jul 29, 2009 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So did WAMMA
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by subo on Jul 28, 2009 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
WAMMA Gave Up
After failing the bet that Eddie would be Aoki.
by bignerd on Jul 28, 2009 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Since we’re on topic…
The thing that made me start reading BE was the YAMMA liveblog. Reading Michael Rome and Brent Bookhouse lapse into despair was hilarious.
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2008/4/11/22025/1561
Keep firing Assholes!
Thanks to Bisping's reenactment of the Battle of Cowpens, walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by Ubernoober on Jul 28, 2009 10:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I love how Tuscherer is now UFC bound.
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by subo on Jul 28, 2009 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I need a special Dana vlog to piss on Wamma’s grave talk about a total failure the moment they tried to pass of Sylvia vs. Fedor for their title after Tim had lost 2 of the last 3 fights I knew they were full of shit.
by Raker on Jul 28, 2009 10:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Caplan
Where did Sam Calpan wind up? Witness Protection? fiveouncesofpain was the first site I found when I was becoming a fan. And while the site went to hell in a handbasket, I still have decent memories of them. Caplan’s not even doing predictions on sportsline anymore. Does anyone know? Thanks.
by argyle on Jul 29, 2009 12:11 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think he's doing PR for M-1 Global
but maybe we should ask SuPreMacy how Sam is doing.
Follow me on Twitter @KidNate
by Kid Nate on Jul 29, 2009 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Back in the day, fiveounces was a pretty good site. I used to think that Caplan was the best writer on the web, until he started on his ego binge and banned all that disagreed with him.
by Captain7 on Jul 29, 2009 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Completely agree
Fiveouncesofpain was a site I visited every day along with MMApayout. It was great at being a blog with Caplan’s opinions being very interesting reads. Then he started getting too involved in MMA for his own good and that site turned to crap that I hardly ever visit, just like MMApayout. Good thing Bloody Elbow is still around for guys like me.
by filipinomix2oo0 on Jul 29, 2009 3:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is really the only site I ever go to. Occasionally junkie for the rumors page. Used to go there, 5OZs, and Mania a lot, but the discussion boards make ruin those sites, as opposed to here where the site is enhanced exponentially by the boards.
by argyle on Jul 29, 2009 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

by 






















