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Aleksander Emelianenko: "Vadim Finkelstein Uses Fedor for His Own Business Projects"

This Fan Post was promoted to the front page by Nick Thomas.

In regards to strict terms of UFC contract, we asked Aleksander Emelianenko to comment:

"You can deal with UFC, I know that they have flexible contract system. All these talks about "strict" contract terms with signing with UFC, come ONLY from Vadim Finkelstein, who wants to push his owns business projects through Fedor's fights"

-- Aleksander Emelianenko in his interview for Sports.ru.

HT: "valetudoru" for finding this and translating it.  (His translation originally posted on sherdog).

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I've never been that big of an Aleks fan

..until now.

Rec’d

Kuwabara Kuwabara

by J. B. Maddox on Jul 27, 2009 11:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Finally!

I hope this guy can get that through his brother’s thick head. Imagine Finkelstein wanting the ufc to fund the building of a rock stadium.

by pwdminotauro on Jul 28, 2009 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Damn.

Doesn’t look like anybody is on Vadim’s side anymore. Sans Fedor, of course.

"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito Ortiz on Vitor Belfort at Affliction:DOR

by Rundownloser on Jul 27, 2009 11:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Thank you. Rec’d.

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by Beer Monster on Jul 27, 2009 11:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, tellin’ it like it is. I’ve always thought Aleks was a smart guy and talented fighter; he just hasn’t had the opportunity to really prove it these days.

by Ahhhoki on Jul 27, 2009 11:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I was reading through that Sherdog thread when you posted this. 90% of the posts are anti-Vadim. Regardless of what the truth is, there is no denying that the opinion of the MMA community has shifted seismically over the past few days. I was also shocked by the number of people picking Brock over Fedor in the post from earlier today about Brock saying he’d like to fight Fedor.

by Jahbulon on Jul 27, 2009 11:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

But really, he’s just the scapegoat for why Lesnar-Fedor doesn’t happen. Which is fine; that’s what he gets paid for.

by madiq on Jul 27, 2009 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Scapegoat suggests he has no impact on the situation.

Vadim has had issues with 3 of the last 4 companies Fedor worked with.
Pride, Bodog and the ill-fated Vadim/Cox version of M1.

He clashes with most that he deals with.

Luke Thomas, on the radio, commented that most MMA folk he talks to have little nice to say about Vadim and M1.

by Lynchman on Jul 28, 2009 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But what I’m saying is that Vadim gets all the criticism so that Fedor can be the “good guy” in all of this.

by madiq on Jul 28, 2009 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Vadim has more to gain

So Fedor and Management basically refuse to deal with the UFC for two reasons legitimate reasons. 1. Co-Promition. 2. The Champions clause. As I see it M1 has a clear desire to build a competing MMA promotion that it controls or benefits heavily from. Fedor is a partial owner of M1 global so he has something to gain, but now that other viable options have evaporated, it sems that Fedor will have to take a serious pay cut to fight out side the UFC?

The concern of couse is that Vadim is using co-promotion as a way to make more money off Fedor. If Vadim told fedor, I’ll take 50% of your pay, I’m sure Fedor would tell him to fuck off, but by co-promoting in a complex ownership structure Vadim can take more than his fair share of the profits. If Vadim suceeds in building even a third tier promotion using Fedor he also enhances his revenue stream.

At this point if Fedor doesn’t sign with the UFC he is either a. being manipulated by Vadim, or too stupid to realize that his interest in an M1 promotion company will not make up for the lost UFC salary.

by SES 84 on Jul 28, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Four words: “Passive Income” and “Revenue Streams.”

Would you rather keep 100% of what you earn when you work, or 5% of what 100 people earn when they work?

by madiq on Jul 28, 2009 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Vadim seems to go for the earn 50% of what one person earns when they work…In some ways this may be the best business model of them all…I know he manages some other fighters, but its mostly fedor.

by SES 84 on Jul 28, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

how, and why does a good protion

think that co-promotion is a good reason. People give your collective heads a shake if you think that co-promotion will ever work. UFC, and others trying to break out into the big time (and by big time I mean NFL or NFL status) will never co-promote, for one good, logical reason. They gain nothing from it, stand the most to lose, and it takes away from their overall goal. When was the last time the NFL co-promoted with another league, has a superbowl winning team ever gone to Europe to face one of their teams. NO and NO, co-promotion will not work ever. Vadim can drop it from his list of demands because the UFC will never work with it. I realize that Vadim is a business man and trying to do the best he can, but Dana and his partners didn’t put the UFC where it is by first, making bad decisions, and second allowing someone elses promotion to ride on the UFC’s coattails.

by proflex on Jul 28, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

When was the last time the NFL co-promoted with another league…

Super Bowl IV.

Not to mention the fact that the National Football LEAGUE is itself a “co-promotion” between cooperatively-owned franchises which compete with one another while they cooperate.

by madiq on Jul 28, 2009 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Technically true, but misleading. The AFL-NFL merger was already agreed to in principle before the first Super Bowl. The first four Super Bowls would be closer to a post-buyout co-promotion between Pride and UFC.

by An Old Friend on Jul 28, 2009 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That is a huge shift in thinking. People are thinking “Who will Fedor lose to?” instead of “Who will Fedor tear through next”

Keep firing Assholes!

Thanks to Bisping's reenactment of the Battle of Cowpens, walla walla walla I'm an idiot.

by Ubernoober on Jul 27, 2009 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bas Rutten likes this.

by woooburn on Jul 28, 2009 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Jerry fuckin Millen

Shivers

"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."

by Blackout612 on Jul 28, 2009 1:12 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Truly, a scumbag for the ages.

by a tommy point on Jul 28, 2009 2:52 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

say it again...

I'm like PacMan fightin you silly kids... throw ya Hatton the ring, and get knocked outlike Ricky did.
lol.

by Loot on Jul 28, 2009 7:32 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Zack, I was thinking Lion King for some reason when I read Loot’s comments – then you come along and put all together – thanks

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by lovingmma25 on Jul 28, 2009 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

perfect.

I'm like PacMan fightin you silly kids... throw ya Hatton the ring, and get knocked outlike Ricky did.
lol.

by Loot on Jul 28, 2009 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jeez, don’t Fedor and Aleks talk? It seems like Fedor is just taking this bs from Vadim up the ass, or maybe he just doesn’t care?

by filipinomix2oo0 on Jul 28, 2009 12:13 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I really love Aleks, ever since I read the big piece Sherdog did on him, I was sold. He speaks his mind, glad he isn’t worried about what his brother thinks of him calling a spade a spade.

"You guys are jerking eachother off with some pseudo deep bullshit." - Kid Nate

by kyfm621 on Jul 28, 2009 12:42 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

(In Russian accent) Fuckski youski Finkie

I don’t think they’re actually going to let him kill me... And if he does kills me, book sales will really go up. Boom…win-win, bitch.- Forrest Griffin on Anderson Silva

by ufc4 on Jul 28, 2009 12:51 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah I do think Vadim takes advantage of Fedor, but I also think Fedor doesn’t care. I think if MMA disappeared tomorrow Fedor would just be back samboing and not batt an eye lid. I think he’s just happy to have someone to take care of all his travel and deals for him without having to think about it.

"Japan panics about the rise of "grass-eating men," who shun sex, don’t spend money, and like taking walks."

Did they all get married?

- Ubernoober

by SamCupitt on Jul 28, 2009 2:00 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

"I also think Fedor doesn’t care"

I think this is the case too. Which, honestly, does not endear me to the man. I like my fighters to be passionate about what they do, and not that I think Fedor does it strictly for money, but it doesn’t appear as though he does it for the challenge either. I read something that said he doesn’t watch fight either, which I thought was strange. I am sure he is not the only professional athlete who doesn’t watch the sport they make a living from, but it’s weird to me. Bleh.

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by funnytiger on Jul 28, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Georges St. Pierre said on Beatdown that he doesn’t watch too much unless it’s a teammate or a future opponent.

by Zack Gobie on Jul 28, 2009 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Trigg says the same thing. I completely understand why a fighter wouldn’t be too interested in watching MMA after doing it all day. I know I hate doing or thinking about anything related to my field when I’m not on the clock. Nothing kills my interest in something faster than doing it as a job.

by Jahbulon on Jul 28, 2009 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Clay Guida is the other end of the spectrum, if there is a fight card somewhere he is attending it.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Jul 28, 2009 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hear lately he resorted to shadow takedowns

by greco-roman airlines on Jul 28, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kenflo and Tores also big fans.

by SES 84 on Jul 28, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i see gsp at alot of the live shows too. so i’d probably say he meant on he doesn’t watch reruns of unleashed for the 100th time, when he said he doesn’t watch fights.

by bdw on Jul 28, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think it greatly depends on the person and the job...

But I definitely get your point. I think that would be like a movie director that never watches movies or an artist that never goes to a museum… shrug

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by funnytiger on Jul 28, 2009 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That is a pretty common attitude with many athletes. A lot MLB players will tell you they never watch baseball, but are huge NFL/NBA/MMA fans. A lot of NFL players never watch football but love other sports. It’s just one of those things where if you participate in an activity all day, it’s not as much fun to watch it during your free time.

by Steve4192 on Jul 28, 2009 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Doesn’t Trigg do a radio show where he talks about MMA? Doesn’t Trigg commentate on MMA? One would think he would have to actually watch the sport.

by who me on Jul 28, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You obviously have never listened to Trigg’s show or to his color commentary.

by Steve4192 on Jul 28, 2009 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

OOOOOHHHH NNNNNOOOOO!!!!!!

by Steve4192 on Jul 28, 2009 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

"ohh--ohh--ohhhhh-ohhh no!"

Although to be fair that is pretty solid commentary for that fight.

It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.

by capital L on Jul 28, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Does hepatitis improve your business sense?

When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift

by subo on Jul 28, 2009 2:12 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Nice to see another fanpost logic. :)

Hopefully aleks talks some sense into his brother..

by Anton Tabuena on Jul 28, 2009 2:35 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Well, this is a start. Finally something I can better sink my teeth into than with the usual conjecture.

Probably won’t find anyone closer to the situation, M-1’s former business partner’s included, who is willing to speak out.

So is this suggesting that when Fedor, himself, objects to Zuffa contract stipulations, it’s mostly coming from Vadim? How would that even work? Is Fedor really that much of a rube? I’ve always thought he was a reasonably intelligent fellow. Am I wrong to assume such?

by a tommy point on Jul 28, 2009 2:38 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Fedor has never met Lorenzo Fertitta or Dana White, how can he know for sure what is really being offered if he’s never been in a meeting room with them? He says all these things about how restrictive the contract is when he’s probably never even seen it.

I don’t think they’re actually going to let him kill me... And if he does kills me, book sales will really go up. Boom…win-win, bitch.- Forrest Griffin on Anderson Silva

by ufc4 on Jul 28, 2009 9:12 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

So, now you’re calling Fedor a liar? I thought Vadim was the bad guy? Which one is it?

Fedor explicitly stated that he viewed the contract with his legal team. I’m not sure why anyone would have reason to doubt his word on that claim. To say that one needs to be in the same physical space with Lorenzo or Dana to have a full understanding of the contract language is kinda silly. The words say what they say.

No one has answered my original questions. /sad face

I will be lame and quote myself:

So is this suggesting that when Fedor, himself, objects to Zuffa contract stipulations, it’s mostly coming from Vadim? How would that even work? Is Fedor really that much of a rube? I’ve always thought he was a reasonably intelligent fellow. Am I wrong to assume such?

by a tommy point on Jul 28, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fedor didn’t say he reviewed it with a lawyer he said they worked with lawyers who told them it was impossible to sign, (that would be M-1’s lawyers). That doesn’t mean he reviewed it at all just that he trust what those lawyers told him. Of course guys with legal advisers sign those UFC contracts all the time without there being a problem too so there is a lot of questions as to that.

I’ve already picked apart that specific statement by Fedor and how it didn’t mesh with what we do know about UFC contracts currently and how the two just don’t mesh, that led to a lot of questions in my mind as to what Fedor thinks is in this contract. Something is just fishy about the whole deal, what he says is something no fighter would ever sign and we know that all sorts of fighters with high powered representation have signed with the UFC. Just going by what he says and what information is out there about UFC contracts he doesn’t seem to know what is in one.

by who me on Jul 28, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You need to pick it apart again

He doesn’t like the championship clause because in his mind if he completes the contract with the belt than he ought to be able to take the performance to the free market and get top dollar for it. You notice that the championship clause ends any legitimate shot at free agency? Of course he worries about it more than most fighters, they are just hoping for a title shot once in there life while he perpetually has a title.

by bignerd on Jul 28, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

See that’s one of the biggest misconceptions here, the championship clause does nothing of the sort. All it does is extend a contract one year or three fights (whichever comes first) if a fighter has a belt and can’t come to a agreement with the UFC at the end of the contract. It doesn’t take away any of the fighter’s leverage for negotiating a new contract at all it just gives the UFC extra time to negotiate with them before they are free to leave (they don’t have to fight at all in that one year time frame, once it’s over the contract is done even if they still hold the belt). The Championship clause would not stop Fedor from re-entering a free agent market, that’s just not at all what it does or how it is worded.

One thing that came out of the Randy Couture incident is that a standard UFC contract did get out and Sherdog was able to pick much of it apart, we do know what these clauses say and it’s not what Fedor is saying they do.

Sherdog.com has confirmed the existence of a so-called champion’s clause, which provides that “if, at the expiration of the Term, Fighter is then UFC champion, the Term shall be automatically extended for a period commencing on the Termination Date and ending on the earlier of (i) one (1) year from the Termination Date; or (ii) the date on which Fighter has participated in three (3) bouts promoted by ZUFFA following the Termination Date (”Extension Term"). Any references to the Term herein shall be deemed to include a reference to the Extension Term, where applicable."

This clause is designed to protect the company against a fighter leaving as champion and to prevent the company’s champions from using their contractual status to demand more money. Zuffa appears to see the clause as an option of last resort, though, because it has consistently refused to grant a title bout to fighters with only one fight remaining on their contracts.

http://www.sherdog.com/news/articles/Inside-the-Standard-Zuffa-Contract-9734

by who me on Jul 28, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

All it does is extend a contract one year or three fights (whichever comes first) if a fighter has a belt and can’t come to a agreement with the UFC at the end of the contract.

I really don’t see why you, and several others, constantly qualify the champion’s clause as relatively harmless. “Oh, it’s just a year of inactivity if he doesn’t want to sign! No biggie!” As I said below, those are one or two sizable paychecks that he would be losing out on. Hardly anything to dismiss lightly.

by a tommy point on Jul 28, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It’s not a year without paychecks unless that is what he chose to do, for Fedor it could be 3 more multi-million dollar fights for the UFC. It’s up to three fights at the previous rate or one year in length, he could fight once or twice or three times or not at all. The pressure would still be on the UFC to re-sign him and he would actually have even greater leverage with them at that point as a champion because they would be getting more and more desperate to get him re-signed during that year timeframe. That issue isn’t at all about money because if his contract ran out and he had the belt then he would hold all the negotiating cards, he would be the one with the UFC over a barrel. This only becomes a issue if the plan is for Fedor to win the UFC belt and then leave with it to help bolster M-1 at the UFC’s expense, are they already planning on leaving after the first contract is up?

The issue is his complete lack of understanding of what the clause means, what he has said about it isn’t even close to what it actually is, that speaks to a real problem here. The point is that Fedor obviously has been misinformed about what is in a standard UFC contract because he is going around doing interviews that give out information that doesn’t match what we know is in them.

by who me on Jul 28, 2009 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Too rosy an outlook

It what instance has the UFC ever extended one of those 3 additional fights past contract termination?

Plus, if given a fight past the termination period the contract amount for the fight could still be greatly under value. In a sport where one loss is devastating taking that extra fight for less pay carries a severe risks. The clause no matter what still greatly hurts a fighters free agency, it’s a year wait or three additional fights (almost double the original contract amount for most) before a fighter can accept a better offer . . . if the market does not cool.

by bignerd on Jul 28, 2009 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The UFC has never used the championship clause, they don’t like to let guys fight for a title with only one fight on a contract so they re-sign them before the contract is over instead of waiting. For all the talk this clause seems to get it’s really been irrelevant to the actual sport because it just doesn’t come up. The only reason it would be an issue is if a standing champion planned on leaving the UFC with the belt beforehand, it exist for the sole purpose of keeping the UFC from getting screwed over as they were a number of times in the past. They don’t put themselves in the situations they were in in the past now so it has never been used.

If given a fight past the termination period then the fight would be for the same amount as the fight before it, the only reason the fight would be greatly undervalued would be if the contract was greatly undervalued and we know that just won’t be an issue with a Fedor contract in the UFC, he will be making ridiculous amounts of money per fight. Even Fedor’s management has said that the UFC offer was the best monetary offer they have received, so that means the UFC most likely would be paying more for him than even Affliction was paying. Him getting a couple of extra fights as one of the highest paid MMA fighter in the history of the sport isn’t something anyone should be losing any sleep over.

One thing that gets me is this ideal of “before a fighter can accept a better offer”, it’s not like the UFC is going to be happy about a guy fighting under the championship clause either, it’s in their best interest to get the guy re-signed too, heck it puts just as much pressure on them to get the deal done as it would the fighter.They don’t even wait till contracts are up to re-sign guys without belts, why would they wait till a contract is up to re-sign a champion? They normally start negotiations one or two fights before they get to the end of a contract not after it is over and that would really be the case with a titleholder. They aren’t going to allow a guy to go a year or three fights under this clause unless the guy just absolutely refuses to negotiate with them for a new contract. It’s just too risky for the UFC to have a champion even getting within this clauses length of walking away with a belt. They will want a new contract with the fighter as quick as possible because the longer they wait the more leverage the fighter has. Leaving with a belt would be a disaster for the UFC.

Lets face it the only reason this would be an issue for Fedor is if he was planning on coming in and winning the UFC belt and then screwing over the UFC and leaving with it to get M-1 some press. If Fedor planning on only signing one contract with the UFC and then leaving? If he is then really they UFC should just give up on him to start with anyway.

by who me on Jul 28, 2009 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

That last paragraph is a disaster. Let me try it again.

Lets face it the only reason this would be an issue for Fedor is if he was planning on coming into the UFC and winning the belt and then screwing them over and leaving with it. Is Fedor planning on signing one UFC contract and then leaving the company immediately after it is up? If he is then the UFC should just give up on him to start with because it’s not worth it to build him up as a PPV draw for 3 or 4 fights and have him walk away to help M-1 become stronger competition.

This goes back to the idea of them wanting a one fight deal, they want to have Fedor go in and get all the UFC publicity and then come back out and give that rub to M-1 at the UFC’s expense. Not only that they want the UFC to present it as a co-promotion with M-1(something that just isn’t going to happen). If they are just using Fedor as a tool to build their own competing org then the UFC should just forget about Fedor now. There is no reason for them to sign a guy (even the best heavyweight in the world) who isn’t going to stick around.

by who me on Jul 28, 2009 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Winning the belt, fulfilling the slotted number of fights on your contract and wanting to walk away to another pasture isn’t screwing the UFC, I think that is where you are losing touch with the concern.

by bignerd on Jul 28, 2009 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's fulfilling the contract

In this country that is honest business.

by bignerd on Jul 28, 2009 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It’s more complicated than that in this situation.

by who me on Jul 28, 2009 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It’s not complicated for one party. The contract is done and they are taking there services to some place else. Protecting the sanctity of the belt isn’t the fighter’s concern. If its such a death blow to the organization than it’s up to them to negotiate the best offer.

by bignerd on Jul 28, 2009 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This whole discussion of the championship clause being a problem is sort of silly because the only way it would be a problem is if the fighter planned on leaving with a belt and utterly refuses to negotiate a new contract at all. Being in this situation is one of the very few times a fighter would have the leverage to really sock it to the UFC, it’s a amazing leverage position to be in. If Fedor is already planning on walking out on the UFC after his first contract is up and he hasn’t even signed a first contract then the UFC should never negotiate with him for any contract because that isn’t in their best interest. Why else would this be an issue for them unless they were planning on leaving after the first contract was up without negotiating for a new contract?

by who me on Jul 28, 2009 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You are looking at it in the wrong way, it’s not the fulfilling the contract part it’s the ruining the value of the title belt that screws the UFC in this situation. If the champion leaves with the belt then the next guy who becomes champion gets screwed because his title run has a huge question mark over it and the belt means less because the “real” champion left the company while holding it.

There is nothing wrong with leaving the UFC but for someone to leave with a belt would be a huge disaster for them and would effectively be screwing them and the meaning behind being a UFC champion over royally. It’s not some kind of knock against Fedor it’s just pointing out that it would do tremendous damage to the UFC heavyweight division. In that sense the UFC would really be screwed over.

by who me on Jul 28, 2009 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Fedor agrees to a 5 or 6 fight contract, as is standard for many of the big names, then what is the need for the champion’s clause? The fighter can be cut if he loses even one fight, yet is stuck sitting out a year or must take 3 extra fights, under the same pay scale, should he wish to leave undefeated? There no protection for the fighter under those terms. Which is why Fedor’s sentiment about having no freedom under a Zuffa contract holds some weight, even if he is a bit confused as to exactly why.

This notion that a fighter would be “screwing the promotion over” if he completed the agreed upon number of fights and then signed with a different promotion doesn’t make sense to me.

by a tommy point on Jul 28, 2009 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It’s screwing the promotion in the sense that it destroys the value of their title belt, if a guy walks away as champion to fight somewhere else then there will always be a question about the next guy who wears that belt and the value of the belt is lessened. What would be the press if Fedor showed up at a Strikeforce event and tossed the UFC belt in the trash? That is the kind of thing that the UFC can’t afford to let happen.

by who me on Jul 28, 2009 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Under those circumstances, I think the UFC would be more to blame for being unable to re-sign the fighter. This is where they become too heavy-handed, trying to so fully protect their product at the expense of the fighters.

by a tommy point on Jul 28, 2009 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It’s in that situation that the fighter would have the leverage in negotiations, the UFC just can’t let the guy walk away with one of their belts, it’s a good situation for a fighter to be in because they are negotiating from a position of power (one of the rare times a fighter would be in that situation with the UFC). As I have said over and over (and over and over) the only reason it would ever get to that situation is if the fighter refused to negotiate a new contract because the UFC would almost have to agree to about anything to get them re-signed at that point or risk their belt walking out the door. That’s why all this talk about the championship clause is a big fat red herring here, it is only an issue if Fedor is planning on refusing to re-negotiate for a second contract.

If Fedor went into the UFC with the intention of putting them in that situation but refusing to negotiate a new contract for the purpose of leaving with the UFC belt then that is where the UFC would get screwed. If Fedor was in that situation and wanted a better contract then rest assured he would get it.

by who me on Jul 28, 2009 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It’s in that situation that the fighter would have the leverage in negotiations, the UFC just can’t let the guy walk away with one of their belts, it’s a good situation for a fighter to be in because they are negotiating from a position of power (one of the rare times a fighter would be in that situation with the UFC).

Exactly. This is how every sport works. So, I’m not sure why you’re so insistent on the UFC getting special privileges in MMA? It doesn’t matter what the athlete’s intentions are, to stay for a set amount of time or be open to whoever offers the most money, that’s just the way things unfold in the sports world.

Lebron James isn’t worried about how the next guy might feel or be perceived in Cleveland or what fans may think of the Cavaliers organization as a whole without Lebron. That’s the Cavaliers concern. If they don’t want that problem on their hands, then compensate the athlete. No one should expect anything different for MMA promotions or fighters. Sports business as usual.

by a tommy point on Jul 28, 2009 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Maybe the NBA needs an “MVP” clause, where a player, if he wins the MVP award in his contract year, automatically gets his contract renewed on the same terms, so he doesn’t “screw the NBA” by taking more money to play in Europe.

by madiq on Jul 28, 2009 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t keep up with the NBA, do they have a player franchise tag like the NFL does? Because that would be basically the same thing(only it would apply to everyone in the sport not just world champion individual athletes which is much more invasive and restrictive than what we are talking about here).

by who me on Jul 28, 2009 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, in part because the NBA Players Union, while not as strong as the MLB Players Union, is stronger than the NFL Players Union.

What the NBA has is the Larry Bird Exception, which allows teams to pay salaries to franchise players that don’t count against the salary cap. However, this is different from the analogy that I was trying to make, which is that, after a player’s contract expires, he can leave the NBA and play elsewhere. This became sort of noteworthy when a few mid-tier superstars decided to play in Europe, where they really didn’t have a salary cap, and where the Euro was particularly strong. Pundits even wondered whether they’d lose a Kobe, Shaq, or Lebron to the European Leagues somewhere down the line.

by madiq on Jul 28, 2009 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just don’t follow the NBA but to be honest I wouldn’t be bothered if some of those wildly arrogant and overpaid guys headed for Europe :D

by who me on Jul 28, 2009 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The champions clause isn’t a special privilege it’s just a clause in a contract all contracts are going to have tons of clauses that go one way or another (the 18 page contract that amazed Fedor shouldn’t have). Bellator probabaly has something similar and it wouldn’t surprise me if Strikeforce started adding in one too as it becomes more and more important to their company to protect belts and championship fights. Heck this is something that is important enough that even Pro Wrestling goes to great lengths to make sure it doesn’t happen.

 If you want to compare it to getting the franchise tag tossed on a NFL player not a guy trying to switch teams in the NBA. When a guy gets franchised he is pulled from free agency and stuck on a team for a year and he doesn’t get to negotiate anything at all. Of course more so than that MMA isn’t a team sport nor is it a sport where a title is awarded for every season it’s a sport where the title is attached to one athlete and he defends it till he loses it.

by who me on Jul 28, 2009 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The franchise tag doesn’t keep pay scale the same. In virtually every case, there is protection offered to the player by significantly raising his pay to an average of the top 5 players at that position. It’s not a one-sided thing deal for the franchise.

The champion’s clause is solely for Zuffa’s benefit with no considerations made for the fighter. The franchise tag at least offers that extra incentive/protection to sign. Boost the pay on those 3 extra fights and I’d agree that the clause is relatively fair, though still not entirely.

by a tommy point on Jul 28, 2009 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And by “boost”, I mean by a large amount. Players getting franchised or, signing the RFA offer sheet, in the NFL often see a tremendous increase in pay while under the tag.

by a tommy point on Jul 28, 2009 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe the “Champion’s Clause” should say that the Champions should be the 5 Highest-Paid fighters in the company at the time their contracts expires, and if not, their purses and PPV percentages should be adjusted acordingly.

by madiq on Jul 28, 2009 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That could be a separate issue in the future.

In the case of established big name fighters (or any fighter, really) entering the UFC, though, the compensation for that year given up of FA should be extreme, as it is with the NFL. If I were the UFC, I’d go that route before a union pops ups down the line.

by a tommy point on Jul 28, 2009 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Eventually the UFC is going to want a union to push collective bargaining on the fighters so they can exert control in one fail swoop and can standardize everything. Of course a MMA union would probably end up like the boxing union has.

by who me on Jul 28, 2009 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think a MMA union would be far more effective than the boxing union, as there is one main promotion at the center of things. Boxing is sooo fragmented that it’s hard to get much of anything done, never mind make a fight.

by a tommy point on Jul 28, 2009 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually, a “UFC union” would work better, because everything could be tiered, and people could enter at the same level, have the same guaranteed salary, and the bonus structure could be standardized and open.

No need to try to put every professional fighter under the UFC Collective Bargaining umbrella.

by madiq on Jul 28, 2009 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Would a overseas fighter want to join a US fighter’s union and pay dues or be pushed into their collective bargaining agreement? MMA is a truly international sport, it would be a big mess (on many issues) to get one going and to make it work. Even if it was just UFC centric it’s going to affect all MMA fighters and organizations.

by who me on Jul 28, 2009 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well in Fedor’s case chances are he will be that to start with. Lets face it money isn’t the issue here, the UFC offer was for even more money than Affliction was paying him.

by who me on Jul 28, 2009 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

In the NFL, if you are already one of the highest paid you get a percentage in pay increase.

by bignerd on Jul 28, 2009 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Many times it’s not a boost at all because the guy getting tagged with it is already one of the top five guys at that position anyway. It’s not like they tag average players with it.

by who me on Jul 28, 2009 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You still get a % increase, as bignerd just mentioned above.

by a tommy point on Jul 28, 2009 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes but honestly it’s not that much especially compared to what he guy would be negotiating for in the free agent market, guys don’t like getting tagged with it. Lets not act like it’s something they want to happen.

by who me on Jul 28, 2009 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t believe I’ve said it’s something they want to happen. What I’m saying is that it’s far easier to deal with when there is at least some protection on their end.

by a tommy point on Jul 28, 2009 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And for a MMA fighter their protection is that their negotiating leverage is the best negotiation leverage that any MMA fighter will ever have with the UFC. A NFL team can let a good player go and just get a new guy to fill the slot, the UFC just can’t plug in a new world champion without taking a huge credibility hit. This entire comparison is still not a very good one either.

by who me on Jul 28, 2009 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fighters can redo their deals at any time, should the UFC agree to enter talks. Not sure how that offers protection.

by a tommy point on Jul 28, 2009 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The pressure is on the UFC to not let champions walk without the belt, the leverage is with the champ, the UFC doesn’t want to be in this situation they want to get fighters re-signed before the contract is up. Their protection isn’t in the ability to negotiate it’s in the fact that champions have so much negotiating leverage in this situation. In this situation all the weight is on the UFC to get the fighter re-signed, they are the ones with something to lose here.

by who me on Jul 28, 2009 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It has to be a boost.

The franchise tag is either the avg of the top 5 guys in the position, or 110% of last year’s salary, whatever is higher.

That said, I don’t think Zuffa would be against putting into Fedor’s contract at the beginning that the pay for each of those 3 fights will be higher than the originally contracted pay, if that will help seal the deal.

by Phildo on Jul 28, 2009 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nope because the money has never been the problem for either side here, that is also a big red herring discussion here. If money was the issue then Fedor would of been in the UFC a long time ago, they even admit that the UFC financial offer was by far the best.

by who me on Jul 28, 2009 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

However, a Buyout provision for the Champions Clause seems a reasonable concession, as it would provide Liquidated Damages to the organization for the loss of prestige of its champion leaving the promotion undefeated.

by madiq on Jul 28, 2009 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And how would you judge what the buyout would be and are we really expecting fighters to pay the UFC?

by who me on Jul 28, 2009 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Money has always been the issue.

Not the fight purse, the total money that m1 gets from the fight.

The co-promotion is only partially about M1 getting publicity, it’s mostly about M1 getting a much larger cut of the revenue than they would any way else.

by Phildo on Jul 29, 2009 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why should they boost the pay “by a large amount” of a guy who is going to be one of the 5 highest paid fighters in the entire sport? I think an automatic contract extension for someone who couldn’t make 30% of what they make in the UFC elsewhere sounds pretty good.

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by ufc4 on Jul 28, 2009 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess you’d make a horrible agent then.

by madiq on Jul 29, 2009 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I didn’t say that if I was representing a fighter I wouldn’t ask for it, but if I ran the UFC there’s no way I would agree to it.

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by ufc4 on Jul 29, 2009 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes but that’s not really an issue for the Champion’s clause because during that year time frame all negotiations for a better contract are open and on the table for a new contract to go into immediate effect. A franchise player is stuck at that pay, a fighter with a champion’s clause has the UFC over a barrel and is ramming it to them in contract negotiations in a way that just doesn’t happen in normal UFC contract negotiations. I mean it’s not like the Champion’s clause is forced to last out that time frame, it would end when the new contract is signed (and the UFC has that huge sigh of relief that their belt isn’t walking out the door).

by who me on Jul 28, 2009 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If I’m not mistaken, I believe players can renegotiate with their team while under the franchise tag. Up to a certain point, anyway.

by a tommy point on Jul 28, 2009 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

For the next year not the current season. If your under the UFC champion’s clause you can negotiate to get that new contract immediately (it should also be pointed out that no fighter has ever got that far because the UFC always gets them re-signed long before their contract is up). This isn’t something that that the UFC wants to see happen either, this is a last ditch effort clause when everything else has failed so they can at least buy themselves some more time to negotiate.

by who me on Jul 28, 2009 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right, but in the case of a fighter like Fedor (or whoever) coming into the UFC, his value will undoubtedly be higher after his contract is up. Well, assuming he continues to win.

Anyway, the pay for those extra fights should reflect that increase in value. Not entirely, mind you, but there should be some protection. Just saying that the fighter can negotiate is not enough. A fighter can, technically, renegotiate a deal at any time.

by a tommy point on Jul 28, 2009 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes and they normally start negotiating them long before the old contract is over, that’s why when you get right down to it this is a complete non-issue unless you are intentionally going to not negotiate a new contract with the UFC for some reason.

This clause has never been used, nor has it even ever come close to having to be used, the UFC doesn’t want to use it they want to get guys under new contracts way before the old one’s are up. It’s not something there to be used for an advantage it’s a safety net of last resort if everything else fails and they can’t get a standing champion signed before his contract is up.

by who me on Jul 28, 2009 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The only things I can remember Fedor being confused about, with regard to the contract, was his thinking that the champion’s clause extended indefinitely and that he couldn’t give interviews (not sure why he’d have a problem with the second one, even if it were true, as he doesn’t seem to enjoy giving them). However, that doesn’t mean the champion’s clause is benign for a fighter such a Fedor. It’s a year with no paychecks, which are rather considerable for a fighter of his stature. The rest of his complaints seemed accurate.

Most everyone agrees to UFC contracts because the truly restrictive stipulations only apply to a handful of fighters. And just because those few agree to the terms doesn’t mean Fedor should step in line behind them. Though, for the sake of my fandom, I wish he would.

by a tommy point on Jul 28, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fedor had a half dozen serious issues with the UFC contract, most all of which made little sense by what we know is in one.

by who me on Jul 28, 2009 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good post.

While the sambo issue may have been solved a few weeks ago by Lorenzo , it certainly wasn’t back then (at least publicly). Fedor offered up these quotes over a year and a half ago, I believe, so criticizing him for being upset about that one isn’t entirely fair.

It does seem like his interpretation of the contract, more or less, came from someone else, though.

Still disagree with you about the champion’s clause.

by a tommy point on Jul 28, 2009 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That interview was only a month and a half ago. He said that at one of the Affliction Trilogy press conferences in an interview. I’m not criticizing Fedor I am just pointing out that even as of a month ago Fedor’s statements about what is in UFC contracts and what we know about what is in UFC contracts doesn’t mesh at all. Fedor seems like a real stand up guy and one of the true good guys of the sport but he just doesn’t seem to be in the loop here.

As for the Champion’s clause it’s not my opinion, I’ve been quoting it directly from Sherdog’s direct quote from it. You can make of it what you will but those are the facts as we know them (that is a very good article on the UFC contracts too, worth the read).

by who me on Jul 28, 2009 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, those quotes are from the end of 2007. Check the last page of this Sherdog article (date on first page).

http://www.sherdog.com/news/articles/1/Finding-Fedor-10538

by a tommy point on Jul 28, 2009 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Your right I linked the wrong interview. I was thinking it came from Bas’s interview with Fedor from last month but that quote was from a old interview.

by who me on Jul 28, 2009 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

who me does not fuck around.

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by Rundownloser on Jul 28, 2009 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Got off work early today, sitting bored in a hotel room with nothing to do but type on the computer. This is much more fun than OSHA paperwork.

by who me on Jul 28, 2009 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well done

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by subo on Jul 28, 2009 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Damn OSHA…

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by iiowyn on Jul 29, 2009 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It depends on which side you are on (I work for them now).

by who me on Jul 29, 2009 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Never say never.

If you had asked me a couple of years ago, I would have said Wand/Shogun would never leave Chute Boxe, Rampage would never leave Juanito, and Diego would never leave Greg Jackson. Unexpected shit happens all the time.

by Steve4192 on Jul 28, 2009 7:37 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Changing camps and dealing with a crooked manager who has all his assets based in a different country are two entirely different things.

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by ufc4 on Jul 28, 2009 9:19 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

I don’t agree. I don’t think Fedor really cares about the huge fights at this point. His money in Russia goes a long way. Fedor wants to bring Russia into the mainstream MMA scene as well, so I think he believes Vadim can do that even though he’s basically taking money off the top of each fight he takes.

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by Leland Roling on Jul 28, 2009 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

"to get Fedor, you have to pay off Vadim"

I’m sure there are a few MMA nuts who would be willing to fit Vadim with “cement shoes” for a lifetime of front row tickets to shows and backstage passes… I’m just saying…

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by funnytiger on Jul 28, 2009 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

shhhhhh...

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by funnytiger on Jul 28, 2009 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rec'd.

Well said, Rome. Seriously, Vadim seems as crooked as dog’s hind leg.

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by pud333 on Jul 28, 2009 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What’s all this about gang ties? I guess I wouldn’t be surprised, but is this verified or just speculation (kinda like Zuffa mafia ties)?

by JRN on Jul 28, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Zuffa doesnt want to seperate anything… All Zuffa wants is Fedor in the room so he knows the exact dynamics of the deal – Then he can make up his own mind what he wants to do. Zuffa will even have its own translator so nothing is lost.

Me personally – I think the outright theft that is going on is an utter travesty.

by mmalogic on Jul 28, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I have been saying for years now that Zuffa should have neutral translators

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by lovingmma25 on Jul 28, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That’s a good idea.

by a tommy point on Jul 28, 2009 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and the ability to extort the UFC once Fedor is champion

assuming he becomes UFC champ, that is… :)

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by TheViking83 on Jul 28, 2009 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Once Fedor signs the UFC he’s pretty much locked down that’s why he’ll never sign one, Finkie knows he won’t be able to pull any bs once Fedor’s name goes on the iron clad Zuffa contract.

Simply put Dana aint’ paying Finkie a dime, sooner or later Fedor will get beat and Dana will have the last laugh and then Fedor can fade into obscurity as that Russian guy that was really good but never fought in the UFC.

by Raker on Jul 28, 2009 4:39 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

All these talks about “strict” contract terms with signing with UFC, come ONLY from Vadim Finkelstein.

So there are no strict contract terms? Fedor would be able to compete in Sambo and they are prepared to waive the champion clause?

Im not quite sure what Aleks is trying to say. Is he saying the strict terms dont exist or that Fedor doesnt care about the strict contract terms, only Vadim? I have heard Fedor in interviews speak about the terms he doesnt like so this doesnt add up.

by GeeDub on Jul 28, 2009 7:45 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I don’t know about the champions clause…Lorenzo Fertitta has gone on record and said they could probably work something out with the Sambo competitions though.

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by Kelvin Hunt on Jul 28, 2009 7:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the sambo issue never really made sense to me.

Considering that I’ve seen plenty of UFC guys compete in ADCC. What’s the difference?

by willydynamite on Jul 28, 2009 1:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Sambo contains strikes which makes it somewhat different but Lorenzo has already stated that they will work with him on that, it’s not a problem for the UFC.

by who me on Jul 28, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I understand that there are strikes in sambo but it doesn’t seem like itd be that big a deal. In the sambo matches I’ve seen, they don’t use the strikes to get KOs or TKOs. They use them for gaining slight advantages in the grappling aspect of the sport.

Either way, I’m in agreeance that its not really an issue with the UFC. I’ve never heard of fedor missing mma fights due to sambo injuries.

by willydynamite on Jul 28, 2009 2:37 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

The only issue would be that they would want Fedor to notify them of when he would be fighting Sambo tournaments so they could schedule well around them just in case of injury, something that just makes sense. The whole issue was a big red herring in the negotiations talk, it’s not the problem people made it out to be, heck it doesn’t even seem to be a problem at all.

by who me on Jul 28, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’ve read some speculation that it might have something to do with his punching technique. Many Russian fighters seem to have a slightly different style of punching, and some other Russian fighters also seem to have issues with broken hands. Whether there’s any actual correlation between these “casting” strikes and broken hands is unclear to me. Additionally I’m unsure if this striking is something that originates out of sambo, systema or some older Russian boxing tradition.

It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.

by capital L on Jul 28, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, there are health issues in the boxing technique Fedor has been taught. It will often sneak punches past western defense techniques but it leaves the hand and wrist to absorb a huge impact.

by bignerd on Jul 28, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The clause has a lot to do with the Roy Jones vs. Anderson Silva type fight. Its a liability to the UFC to have their fighters fighting in all sort of combat sports as much for reputation as injury.

Since the UFC has no presence in Russia, I think they could make an exception, but still wouldn’t want a last minute injury.

I think its just an excuse for Fedor not to fight inthe UFC.

by SES 84 on Jul 28, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fighters sign it everyday with no problem. The Sambo issue isn’t a issue as Lorenzo has already said they would work with him and the champion’s clause is pretty standard stuff that Fedor’s statements have shown a severe misunderstanding of. It’s not a eternal extender it’s just something that adds 3 fights or one year to the contract length(whichever comes first) if a champion isn’t re-signed before the last fight on the contract (it’s never actually been used). They can’t even force a guy to fight he can sit it out for a year and be just as free and he still has the same leverage with contract renegotiation because he still has the belt. Heck the champion’s clause talk is one of the things that really makes me wonder what Finkelstein is telling Fedor because he doesn’t seem to have a understanding of that at all. Fedor rails against things when he’s talking that we keep finding out aren’t the big issues he makes them out to be. We know what the actual sticking point is, even Finkelstein has stated it, it’s that they will only sign if the UFC co-promotes with M-1(something the UFC just isn’t going to do).

Sherdog.com has confirmed the existence of a so-called champion’s clause, which provides that “if, at the expiration of the Term, Fighter is then UFC champion, the Term shall be automatically extended for a period commencing on the Termination Date and ending on the earlier of (i) one (1) year from the Termination Date; or (ii) the date on which Fighter has participated in three (3) bouts promoted by ZUFFA following the Termination Date (”Extension Term"). Any references to the Term herein shall be deemed to include a reference to the Extension Term, where applicable."

This clause is designed to protect the company against a fighter leaving as champion and to prevent the company’s champions from using their contractual status to demand more money. Zuffa appears to see the clause as an option of last resort, though, because it has consistently refused to grant a title bout to fighters with only one fight remaining on their contracts.

http://www.sherdog.com/news/articles/Inside-the-Standard-Zuffa-Contract-9734

by who me on Jul 28, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Fedor can do Sambo… his fights will be scheduled in the fall right before the tournaments and right after the tournaments.

by mmalogic on Jul 28, 2009 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Yea the Sambo issue really is just a big red herring issue, it doesn’t seem like it ever was much of a problem for the UFC like it was made out to be.

by who me on Jul 28, 2009 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Everyone time I see someone mention sambo as a reason Fedor isn’t in the UFC I want to stab a kitten.

Monte Cox had no problem with Fedor fighting Sambo and he still couldn’t get him to fight. It’s not a real issue, the other things Fedor/Finkie want are the issues.

by Phildo on Jul 28, 2009 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Monty Cox built a promotion around Tim Sylvia. Adrenaline Fail; Manager Fail.

by madiq on Jul 28, 2009 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Adrenaline MMA promotion was more about getting lots of Monte Cox guys tune up bouts than it was specifically about Tim Sylvia. Booking Tim Sylvia to box Mercer was a huge mistake though. (Having him fight him in MMA and not taking him down was also a mistake, but I don’t know how much Monte actually has to do with in-ring strategy or lack thereof).

It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.

by capital L on Jul 28, 2009 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Monte is responsible for the crappy booking but he’s not the guy who put all those Twinkies in Tim’s mouth.

by who me on Jul 28, 2009 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fedor and Monte Cox couldn’t get anything going way before Tim Sylvia had anything to do with the situation.

by Phildo on Jul 29, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Leave Rundownloser alone!

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by themachiavellian on Jul 29, 2009 6:23 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The kitten just wants to be loved.

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by Rundownloser on Jul 29, 2009 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

wow

I didn’t see that one coming.
Ud expect aleks to be able to make his own brother see sense more than vadim,but obviously not.
I mean,they’ve must of spoke of this before at some point in their careers.

One word: indoctrination.

by matty87 on Jul 28, 2009 8:53 AM EDT via mobile reply actions   0 recs

I don’t think the two brother’s are that close.

by who me on Jul 28, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Interesting comments.

Nice to hear from someone with this perspective. I’ve never known what to think of Aleks before.

by Razreshat on Jul 28, 2009 9:05 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

lorenzo already stated very clearly, something can be worked out over sambo, however the champion’s clause is just an insurance policy that guys don’t bolt the moment they win the belt and leave the ufc high and dry

i’m starting to believe what dana said a while back, that maybe fedor DOESN’T KNOW EXACTLY what it is the ufc offered to him

by theblade on Jul 28, 2009 9:14 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

confirmation

of what we’ve always suspected? now that vadim = don king comment seems on the money. also i wonder if this is why fedor doesnt speak english during interviews, so he doesnt say something finky doesnt want him to?

by dugmouth on Jul 28, 2009 9:28 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

And Aleksander probably knows a lot about extortion.

You don't look like a Tanaka.

by spectaa on Jul 28, 2009 10:06 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

mmalogic made some pretty serious accusations against Vadim in the post which reported Vadim’s initial comments, including a claim that Vadim is taking $1,000,000 from Fedor’s salary:

FInkie takes A 1 MILLION DOLLAR CONSULTING FEE FROM FEDOR. FACT. (this is in his personally controlled bank account – not M1 which he also controls)

I tend to trust mmalogic for three reasons:

1) I largely agree with his MMA world view, so I want to believe him
2) He’s been right before
3) When mmalogic’s credibility has been challenged in the past, the people who run this site have vouched for him. To quote Kid Nate:

MMALogic has shown himself to be a credible inside source in the past.

Given the importance of this story and the facts that bloodyelbow.com has given mmalogic a platform to put these things out there and given him credibility in the eyes of bloodyelbow.com readers, I really hope that someone on the staff is investigating his claims.

by Jahbulon on Jul 28, 2009 10:32 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

And while it is impossible to confirm if the $1 Million amount is accurate, it is completely in line with what Alexsander is saying…. That the manager is a sleeze ball.

by AlwaysRelaxing on Jul 28, 2009 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It also fits with comments that Dana and Lorenzo have made about Fedor: “We’ve never even met him” “I’m not sure Fedor even knows what we’ve offered him.”

It could be confirmed by Affliction people off the record, much like Rome’s story about the UFC-Affliction meetings. Here is what logic said about investigating:

All a journalist has to do is call 3 people and YOULL HAVE THE BIGGEST UNTOLD STORY IN THE MMA COMMUNITY:

1) Monte Cox (he’s a manager and he’s dealt with Vadim)

2) Tom Attencio or someone higher at affliction (this is where all the shit is)

3) Fedors people – to get their comments on all this shit found out by talking to affliction and Monte.

by Jahbulon on Jul 28, 2009 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

This can be easily confirmed…

This is an utter failure on the media. Josh Gross can easily confirm this – Loretta Hunt can easily confirm this.

They wont because it doesn’t fit with their “agenda”. Ken Pavia not being credentialed is more important to them.

Finie negotiated his OWN CONTRACT that pays him 1m per Fedor fight. This is seperate from the money that is taken from Fedor and sent to M1.

But lets say they’re really lazy and dont want to make a couple phone calls and emails.

THE SIMPLE FACT THAT NEGOTIATIONS ARE BASED ON WHAT IS BEST FOR M1 rather than FEDOR.

Is a gross abuse of fiduciary responsibility and dangerous conflict of interest… Fedor being a shareholder doesnt fly because his manager and others are also shareholders. So negotiating for the best interests of M1 – no matter what – is at the expense of Fedor… regardless of his equity position.

This by itself is a huge story…. if they dig deeper they’ll find outright theft.

by mmalogic on Jul 28, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Well why doesn't Steve Cofield or Kevin Iole confirm it?

(DOOM all capitals, no trick spelling)

It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.

by capital L on Jul 28, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I find this all hilarious.

First, props to logic for the post. In a week of chaos, I find this to actually be the most interesting tidbit I have read.

Second, while I love Fedor and think he is the best HW in the world, it cracks me up thinking about all the support of him in the past couple of years. Now, he truly seems like a good guy and I don’t want to bash him, but think back a bit. So many people talked about how he was just patriotic an d money meant nothing to him. How he was above all the exclusive contracts and wanted to fight Sambo because it represented Russia and blah, blah, blah. While I think all of these things are true to an extent, I can’t help but wonder, why, if he is such an upstanding person, so above all the politics and BS of the sport, above the Dana White’s of the world, why, why, is he so closely associated with a scumbag like Finkie?

Now, I’m not trying to say Fedor is a jerk or scumbag, simply, that he is no different than any of these other fighters out there and not some extremely moral saint that is above Zuffa, UFC, Dana, etc…

If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.

by BJJDenver on Jul 28, 2009 10:53 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I also love how people call Fedor “a personal friend of Vladimir Putin”.

by Jahbulon on Jul 28, 2009 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mike Tyson & Fedor

Tyson had Don King

Now Fedor has Vadim Finkelstein

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by ultmma on Jul 28, 2009 11:15 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Wait, Aleks Emelianenko is a trustworthy source all of a sudden? So does he also not have Hep, or do you only believe him when he says something you agree with?

by FRANKIE on Jul 28, 2009 11:28 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It's not like a frank and ken situation where they both want to kick each other's ass so they bash one another..

They are extremely close. They train together.. It even sounds like he’s just concerned that fedor is getting cheated by his manager.

by Anton Tabuena on Jul 28, 2009 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Accumulation of information.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Jul 28, 2009 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What a star character witness for the prosecution

Nothing like getting the finger point from Aleks.

Who wouldn’t believe:
1. An ex-felon and mob muscle man
2. Whose also a bitter ex-employee after being told he can’t get a license to fight due to Hepitatis
3. Has never seen a UFC contract to comment and has spent the last year getting criticized for pulling other mind boggling quotes out of his ass.

Come on logic! You guys had Affliction’s feet to the fire, didn’t you force them to sign a fabricated Finkie character witness statement before finalizing that agreement? Nothing screams dirty more than accusations from ex business partners. Especially those that sign away the company while the other is unknowingly flying across the pacific to attend the big event. Tell me you got more than disgruntled Aleks and vast media conspiracy to hide the truth.

by bignerd on Jul 28, 2009 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

1. Was he actually a mob muscle man or was that just the tall tales going around?
2. Why would he be bitter towards M-1 for CSAC telling him he can’t get a US license and for Affliction not being able to give him fights?
3. How do you know that he hasn’t had negotiations with the UFC in the past or that he doesn’t know fighters that have? Heck he may have more insight into their contract negotiations than any of us do because he may of actually been involved with it before.

Not sure about what Affliction has to do with any of this or what vast media conspiracy you are talking about?

by who me on Jul 28, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You should read my post below, it adds to your post.

by Jmend255 on Jul 28, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

With the exception of the “communist issue” you put together a very informative post, the above just seems to be doing the same kind of thing it is supposedly railing against.

by who me on Jul 28, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Where is the full translated article???

I followed the links…all I found was the snippet.

I love Aleks (and Fedor), but bear in mind:
-He says he doesn’t have Hepatitus. Buentello confirmed to my coach that it’s not just a rumor.
-He also says those star tatoos are unrelated to the Russian mob.
-He also says having the Nazi motto tatooed on his back is a coincidence.

I dont see why he would lie about this, but he hasn’t always been truthful..

Also, how would Aleks know if the UFC has a flexible contract system?

by Headkick on Jul 28, 2009 12:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Cocaine is a helluva drug…

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"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I’m not sure about the universe." - Albert Einstein

by Leland Roling on Jul 28, 2009 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I followed the link to a russian site and had Google translate

"Wait a minute. What did you just say? You're predicting $4-a-gallon gas? ... That's interesting. I hadn't heard that." --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Feb. 28, 2008

by lovingmma25 on Jul 28, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I love Aleks. He should just come to the UFC.
If he doesnt have hep.

by ufcstinks on Jul 28, 2009 12:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Sidenote: I hope I don't die before I find out what MMAlogic does for a living

The mystery of how he gets all his inside info is… mysterious.

Si Hoc Legere Scis Nimium Eruditionis Habes

by Paynuss on Jul 28, 2009 12:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

“His mysteriousness is so…mysterious”

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Jul 28, 2009 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I could not have put that better myself

Si Hoc Legere Scis Nimium Eruditionis Habes

by Paynuss on Jul 28, 2009 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i was trying to figure that out by looking at what he usually posts about. i think he could be a fighter’s manager…maybe someone who knows or manages some of the the extreme couture fighters…

not a fighter himself for sure…..not a zuffa employee…

am I getting warm????

by Headkick on Jul 28, 2009 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nope

He’s not a manager, I can gather that.

"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."

by Blackout612 on Jul 28, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I always figured he was a low level functionary that Zuffa encourages to astroturf in cyberspace.

by Steve4192 on Jul 28, 2009 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

^Not this

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Jul 28, 2009 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

^I see what you did there.

"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."

by Blackout612 on Jul 28, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

^These aren’t the droids you are looking for

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Jul 28, 2009 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Could be any number of things

from someone who works with a sponsor to medical dude to actual fighter even, as far-fetched as some of those possibilities may seem.

Si Hoc Legere Scis Nimium Eruditionis Habes

by Paynuss on Jul 28, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i was noticing if the post has a pic of couture, he is usually all over the comments so that got me thinkin his info comes outta extreme couture. he also seems familiar w/ zuffa and non-zuffa inner-workings…again got me thinkin extreme couture since they have fighters in almost every promotion. also a big vitor fan….but you’re right, for all we know he could just be the front desk guy and just overhear’s alot.

it’s fun to speculate though….

logic, feel free to tease and drop hints.

by Headkick on Jul 28, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have no idea, but I’m willing to bet he drives a Dodge Stratus.

BOOSH

by Farthammer on Jul 28, 2009 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

BOOSH

"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."

by Blackout612 on Jul 28, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

uh oh, internet bragging….

and ah ha! got you. a bentley and you picked Bisping over Henderson. There is a British connection….

by Headkick on Jul 28, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Beautiful job by all.

BOOSH

by Farthammer on Jul 28, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

A couple of things people should take into account

Now, I do believe that Finkie (like many managers) is a scumbag, but, you have to know a bit of the history of what is going on here.

- First, Aleks and Fedor are the Russian version of Frank and Ken Shamrock, though not as bad. It’s been previously reported quite a few times that Aleks and Fedor would pass by one another and not speak one word, this was obvious during the pressers of the first Affliction Banned event press tour and many instances before. They typically don’t get along, reported to never be in good terms, and don’t agree with each others decisions. There is a rich history of not seeing eye to eye between them.

Also, Aleks is currently looking at moving to the US and wants to join the UFC, so putting in a good word for the promotion you want to fight with is never a bad move.

- Second, Fedor and Finkie have some sort of mission statement for M-1 to help raise awareness of MMA in Russia and throughout the world. Fedor and Red Devil alone could not accomplish this, though they tried before, so they joined forces with Mix Fight, which is the biggest MMA promotion in Russia. Mix Fight, then created M-1 Global (which Fedor later joined) to spread MMA around Russia and expand around the world, and thus the M-1 Challenge was created. From here, the M-1 Selection was created that would pit the best camps in Russia to fight each other to see who will represent their country in the M-1 challenge. Now, M-1 has been able to create these sort of MMA drafts for other countries in Europe like Holland. Also, due to Finkie, M-1 was able to negotiate a TV deal with Russia for Affliction Trilogy, which would have put Fedor on National Russian TV for the first time ever. This would have been huge for Fedor and MMA in Russia.

-Third, now I don’t doubt for one bit that Finkie doesn’t take money from Fedor, but it does take money to get all these events done (which Aleks refers to as Finkies projects), but Russia is a communist country, where Sambo is the national sport. They are trying to get MMA accepted over there, and without the government’s approval of anything, you simply aren’t going to get any money to fund anything. Thus, having Fedor as your greatest asset to make money to spread MMA in Russia and Europe is essential for M-1.

-Finally, Fedor could care less about money, his legacy, or what people think about him. He believes heavily in the Russian communist motto of the greater good is the only good. He could be making millions but he really could care less. He loves competing in Sambo and MMA, and loves the competition, his fans, and the honor of the competing in combat sports.

-That being said, I am pretty sure Finkie gets a good cut of everything and possibly steals from Fedor, but if Fedor doesn’t care and is part owner of M-1 to try to accomplish his goals of spreading MMA for Russia, what can you do? Now, Fedor does trust Finkie to a very high degree and trusts that Finkie is doing what is best for their common purposes, but Fedor has also stated that everything that they do is approved by Fedor first. If Fedor disagrees with any decision that Finkie makes, he has the veto power to nix it.

Again, this is not to point that one side is more correct than the other, but it points out that M-1 (Fedor) and the UFC have completely different goals, and is why many in the MMA industry have said that Fedor in the UFC has always been a long shot.

by Jmend255 on Jul 28, 2009 12:56 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

That's a lot of words

On the Frank & Ken comparison, they have been training together, and have always got along, but are very stoic figures. They always compliment one another and say that the brother is the superior striker/fighter (something the Shamrock’s would never do). They clearly love one another and hold each other in a very high regard.

"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."

by Blackout612 on Jul 28, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I do agree that they respect and love each other, but they do not get along.
Here is an interview I was able to find, a while ago, one of many instances,

Correspondent – In November, your brother Alexander was competing in Pride that took place in Holland. Could you tell us about that?

Fedor – This fight was unfortunate for Alex. He lost to F. Verdum. Our coach said that Alex fought an amateurish battle and was doing everything he wasn’t supposed to do. Everything he was warned about he still did in the ring. Maybe Alex became overconfident too soon… It looks like Alex thinks way too much of himself as a fighter, and stopped training as he used too (we are not sparing together for almost 6 months already), therefore it’s he’s second loss recently.

Correspondent – Do you see a way for Alex get out of this situation? Is there anything you can do to help him continue his successful career? Not so long ago he only needed minutes, or even seconds to defeat his opponents.

Fedor – to be honest with you, I don’t even want to interfere. He’s a grown man and he’s making his own choices.

Correspondent – Maybe you’re right. It’s happens often that by giving advice you could be blamed later on for trying to help.

Fedor – We had this situation after Alex’s fight with Josh Barnett. Alex actually blamed me for his loss, even though he didn’t listen to any of my suggestions. I hope it was a good lesson for him. Therefore, from now on I am not going to get into his business.

by Jmend255 on Jul 28, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

None of that was very harsh. Many foreign cultures are more acclimated to being openly critical of their family members. I think that a lot of that was constructive criticism, and it’s some old news, to boot.

"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."

by Blackout612 on Jul 28, 2009 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Like I said, it was one of the recent articles I could find, but, a number of fans saw both Aleks and Fedor in Anaheim and they didn’t even speak to each other. A good amount of information shows there is definitely some beef between them.

by Jmend255 on Jul 28, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

There is a video of them recently training/sparing for the Barnett fight so I don’t really think they have some beef with each other. They do seem to be a bit distant but then I’m not close to any of my 4 brothers either but that doesn’t mean we have problems it just means that we just live our own lives.

http://www.fightbomb.com/FIGHTBOMB.com-Your-Global-MMA-News-Site/aleksander-emelianenko-trains-with-fedor-454-a-speaks-cat-at-250-qmeow-meowq.html

by who me on Jul 28, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, like I said, I attribute it to their stoic nature. I have a number of east european friends (yeah, I live in Minnesota) and many of them behave similarly with their siblings.

"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."

by Blackout612 on Jul 28, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well Fedor is stoic, Alek seems to be a different story but yea just because they aren’t best buddies doesn’t mean that they aren’t brotherly with each other. They do train with each other (and their younger brother), they just don’t seem to be all that close in a traditional sense. Nothing wrong with that at all, they are grown men with their own separate lives.

by who me on Jul 28, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Aleks is the black sheep with rumored felonies, hanging out with the wrong people, mafia ties, and being stubborn and not taking other people’s help or suggestions.

Also, everyone points out that they are training together, but this has always been the case, on and off. Though there is always a point where Aleks leaves and trains somewhere else due to some problems. He is ready to do this again and will be heading to the states soon, as he wants to fight in the US (UFC).

by Jmend255 on Jul 28, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just because he is the blacksheep of the family doesn’t mean he isn’t well loved by the family or his brother, heck lots of times the black sheep is the one they care about the most because they worry about them so much. The fact that Fedor keeps taking him back and training with him speaks to a deeper brotherly love and concern as opposed to them having some kind of problems between them.

by who me on Jul 28, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and i can guarantee you frank and ken shamrock have not traines together in years. their situation is totaly different than fedor and alek. if by chance they did walk past each other and did not speak to each other, it was most likely due to the situation, that they had already been in conversation and had ntohing to say. and furthermore WHY would aleks even be in aneheim for fedor’s fight if he wasn’t there to back his brother?. a little common sense will take you a long ways. :)

by bdw on Jul 28, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No!

Aleks and Fedor where both scheduled to appear in Banned, before Aleks got pulled by the CSAC (having Hep is the word from Buentello). Aleks and Fedor are never at their shows to support each other, more because they are fighting in the same show.

by Jmend255 on Jul 28, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jmend255

i thought you where talking about Trilogy not Banned, which was also scheduled in Aneheim. MY BAD. i still think you are grasping at straws, trying to compare them to the shamrocks and esentially trying to poke holes in logics fanpost.

by bdw on Jul 28, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I said in my original post its not as bad as them.

by Jmend255 on Jul 28, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Alek was in Anaheim to fight but he did stick around for the show after he was denied license. That doesn’t mean anything in and of itself.

Ken and Frank aren’t even real brothers, they were both adopted and Ken is like 10 years older. Your talking about two foster children that were taken in as teens by a man who took in 100’s of children at his ranch. Their problems come not from being brothers but from Ken being the person who trained Frank for MMA and how Frank treated their Foster Father Bob later in life. Their situation is world’s away from the Emelianenkos.

by who me on Jul 28, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

How did Ken and Frand end up looking so much alike considering they were both adopted? I;ve always found that strange.

I don’t think they’re actually going to let him kill me... And if he does kills me, book sales will really go up. Boom…win-win, bitch.- Forrest Griffin on Anderson Silva

by ufc4 on Jul 28, 2009 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

They both have been punched in the face a lot of times?

by who me on Jul 29, 2009 6:40 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Assuming everything you are saying is accurate.

Finkie and Fedor as overlooking the value, in Russia (btw, I love how you called Russia a communist state) of having a Russian beat Americans and be the champ in a U.S. promotion.

Russians are still very much living in the Cold War is some very important ways, especially their competitiveness with the U.S. Having a Russia beat the Americans and be a Champion over them would do wonders for MMA in Mother Russia.

by Razreshat on Jul 28, 2009 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is the problem. They don’t know who Fedor is in Russia and they don’t follow MMA. The biggest tv station in Russia which was going to televise Trilogy is majority owned by the government, and the cancellation of Trilogy was a huge blow to Russian MMA and Fedor.

by Jmend255 on Jul 28, 2009 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sambo is the “national sport” but they don’t know who the multi-time Sambo world champion is, that should tell you something about how seriously they take their so called “national sport” there.

by who me on Jul 28, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Actually, I believe Boxing is the most popular combat sport in Russia, but Sambo in terms of Martial Arts.

by Jmend255 on Jul 28, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

but Russia is a communist country,

You do know that the Soviet Union was dissolved in 1991 and the Russian Federation isn’t a communist country right? They haven’t been a communist country since Fedor was 14 years old. The Russian Federation is a Federal Republic with a free market economy.

by who me on Jul 28, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes I do, but the government controls majority still, so they are still transitioning. As an example, their biggest TV station is 51% owned by the government. If I could edit that statement to make it clearer I would.

by Jmend255 on Jul 28, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Transitioning?

They’ve seized private assets recently, so I’m not sure that’s the direction they are going.

Its not really communist in a classical or even soviet sense. Its kind of its own beast controlled by Ex-KGB/Putin Cronies and the Oligarchs who have been willing to play ball.

by SES 84 on Jul 28, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It’s the Putin regime (even though he isn’t actually President anymore) that is pushing them to where they are today. Communism has nothing to do with it besides some of the big players in the Putin system come from that background.

by who me on Jul 28, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The siloviki are pretty much the dominant force in Russia today—as I understand it that is Putin’s basic support base.

It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.

by capital L on Jul 28, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you said that in Russia you would make a lot of people upset, they are most defiantly not communist any more even if Putin’s government (cronies) slant towards the authoritarian side. Things like the government tv station isn’t a communist throwback it’s a Putin regime issue. The issues there now aren’t communism issues as that is long behind them it’s something brought on by the current power structure.

by who me on Jul 28, 2009 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

About Time

So an Emelianenko finally figured this one out?

by Paradoxx on Jul 28, 2009 1:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Takes one to know one

"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."

by Blackout612 on Jul 28, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why doesn’t Aleks try to sign with the UFC? Is he suspended or something?

GSP: I pulled my groin.

Greg Jackson: I don't care Georges! HIT HIM WITH YOUR GROIN!

by xFenixKnightx on Jul 28, 2009 1:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

He is. He is going to move to the US soon and is trying to sign with the UFC or American promotion soon, though there have always been rumored that he wouldn’t be sanctioned in the US due to his background and rumor that he has hep.

by Jmend255 on Jul 28, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Paul Buentello shows up at my gym from time to time. He was supposed to fight Aleks before the whole Hep thing occured. And while medical info is private and whatnot, Paul was more of less told by Affliction officials even before the rumors got out, that it was hep. Granted he didn’t say this to me, but he told my coach who then told me. So I know info gets distorted as it gets passed, but I’d still call this pretty damn reliable.

That woulda been a really good fight………

by Headkick on Jul 28, 2009 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Even if he had Hep B, if it was an acute infection it should clear itself out naturally, and even if it was chronic I believe some SAC’s have allowed fighters with Hep to compete as long as they are on medication and the risk for infection is minimal.

The notion that Hep is an automatic career killer is false.

by Steve4192 on Jul 28, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

hmmm, i dont know enough about it.

i was under the impression he had hep c. we had a fighter in our gym diagnosed w/ Hep C and his pro coreer was over instantly. he was more or less not allowed to do anything w/ contact either. all he can do is teach class.

my thoughts were the chances of passing blood borne disease from fighting was slim to none, but dr johnny benjamin had a blog about it being a very bad idea to fight someone w/ hep

i aint no doctor….

by Headkick on Jul 28, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If it’s chronic they won’t let him fight, a bloodborne pathogen is going to keep him out of the sport and that is all there is to that. Now if it was acute then CSAC wouldn’t of stated that he would not be cleared to get a license like they did.

"The one thing that I can absolutely say is that he (Emelianenko) was not and will not be cleared to fight in California. He is officially denied a license and that will stand for all of the United States of America".
http://www.fightlinker.com/aleks-emelianenko-was-not-and-will-not-be-cleared.mma

It should also be pointed out that Sherdog mentioned that he couldn’t get cleared to fight in Japan either but they didn’t really go into what that meant. Still that should get people scratching their heads.

With his unresolved medical situation blocking possibly lucrative fights in Japan and the United States, Fedor Emelianenko’s younger but bigger brother has to look to local organizations to keep his career alive.
http://www.sherdog.com/news/articles/10-march-tussles-worth-watching-16411

by who me on Jul 28, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yup. He is scheduled to fight in Korea, not Japan or US anytime soon as far as we know.

by Jmend255 on Jul 28, 2009 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

After seeing EASTERN PROMISES....

I’m wary of all those tatoos Aleksander’s got!!!
But it’d be cool to see him in the UFC.

by Lewish on Jul 28, 2009 2:28 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

That was a good movie.

I love me some Sexyama!

by pud333 on Jul 28, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

FUCKIN' SNAP!

Great find! Finally, someone close to Fedor says the obvious. Fedor is a puppet workhorse used to build M1 Global.

by Dexerion on Jul 28, 2009 5:20 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

But Fedor owns a piece of M-1 Global…

by madiq on Jul 28, 2009 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

How much of a piece? If he owns 80% then it would make more sense of M-1 taking 80% of his pay but if he only owns 5% or 10% then it is still a bit of head scratcher.

by who me on Jul 28, 2009 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess then it depends on how much M-1 makes off cards that Fedor doesn’t fight on, and how long they plan on continuing to promote fights after Fedor retires.

by madiq on Jul 28, 2009 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fedor doesn’t fight on any M-1 cards, they get paid all that money for him fighting on cards for different companies.

by who me on Jul 28, 2009 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right, but if he gets paid a percentage of the profits from the other 10 or so M-1 promoted cards they’ve put on, it could be viewed as him setting up an income stream for after he retires.

by madiq on Jul 28, 2009 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yea or he could get all the millions he earns for a fight now and just put it in a bank instead of the $300k he gets to keep now (which is what Finkelstein said is what Fedor gets, M-1 even gets his sponsor money according to Finkelstein). M-1 global sure seems like a real crappy 401k retirement plan. I can’t imagine a years worth of M-1 events makes as much as a single Fedor fight does.

by who me on Jul 28, 2009 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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