Renato "Babalu" Sobral vs. Gegard Mousasi Back on at Strikeforce: Carano vs. Cyborg
by Luke Thomas on Jul 27, 2009 7:35 PM EDT
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From a press release in my inbox:
NEW YORK (July 27, 2009)--The highly-anticipated showdown between Renato "Babalu" Sobral (35-8) and Gegard Mousasi (25-2-1), which was suddenly cancelled by its original promoter last week, has been revitalized and will be contested with Sobral's STRIKEFORCE World Light Heavyweight (205 pounds) Championship on the line at San Jose, California's HP Pavilion on Saturday, August 15.
The title bout will be featured during the SHOWTIME televised portion of the STRIKEFORCE: "Carano vs. Cyborg" mixed martial arts (MMA) mega-card.
"I am very happy that STRIKEFORCE has resurrected this fight and that I will have the opportunity to become STRIKEFORCE world champion," said Mousasi, who is in the midst of a monstrous, 12 fight win streak. The 23-year-old was crowned the first Dream Middleweight Champion and Middleweight Grand Prix Tournament Champion last year in Japan.
"STRIKEFORCE is one of the world's top promotions and I am proud to be a part of their roster of world-class fighters," he said.
What a superb addition to this card. Provided Strikeforce can find a reasonable opponent for Nick Diaz, this card gains some considerable heft with another title fight, the addition of premier international talent to the event (if not the roster for further bouts) and a moderately recognizable name to casual fans (he's adored by hardcores) in Renato Sobral. An excellent move by Strikeforce to make this fight happen, particularly the speed with which the fight was arranged. And this is the sort of signing that makes one reconsider how detrimental or influential Coker's European travels have been. A merger between Strikeforce and Affliction may have fallen through, but that arrangement had considerable risks. By contrast, this one is a no-brainer. Well played, Strikeforce.
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Awwwww yeah baby! I was hoping this would happen! :)
GSP: I pulled my groin.
Greg Jackson: I don't care Georges! HIT HIM WITH YOUR GROIN!
by xFenixKnightx on Jul 27, 2009 5:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Now let’s see if they can get someone for Diaz. I heard rumbling sof Jay Hieron. Dont know if it would be for the strap though.
GSP: I pulled my groin.
Greg Jackson: I don't care Georges! HIT HIM WITH YOUR GROIN!
by xFenixKnightx on Jul 27, 2009 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i am hoping for Paul Daley vs Diaz… that could be a epic stand up war.
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by ekc on Jul 27, 2009 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hell yeah. Diaz vs Heiron would be sick! I’m dreaming of a reenactment of Heiron’s performance against Jason High at Affliction. Nighty night Nicky boy!
"The path to enlightenment is through suffering"
by RearNakedChoker on Jul 27, 2009 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It could happen! Diaz has a strike defense that is just begging to be exploited.
Everytime I watch him, I’m blown away watching him box. His defense is incredibly sloppy, yet he uses that slop to mess with his opponent’s head and be effective. Heiron’s not the bomb or anything, but the timing on that leaping right hook against High was sick! I could definitely see him catching Nick with one of the those.
But I’m incredibly biased. I’m really itching to see Nick snoring. That’s not fighter bashing is it? If so, my apologies. :)
"The path to enlightenment is through suffering"
by RearNakedChoker on Jul 28, 2009 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nick also has an utterly ridiculous chin, which doesn’t seem to be something High can lay claim to. I can maybe see Hieron wrestling out a decision, but not putting Nick to sleep.
by FRANKIE on Jul 28, 2009 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
WOOHOO!!
"I’m not going to stop yelling because that would mean, I lost the fight!"-Kenny Powers
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by ekc on Jul 27, 2009 5:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
the card is looking up again
i posted this in the fanshots little bit ago as well.
good work, strikeforce.
i would love to see diaz vs. hieron added as well as xfenixknightsx suggested above. the card would arguably be even better than originally planned.
by sonofapsycho on Jul 27, 2009 5:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
For the title too! Awesome!
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by Beer Monster on Jul 27, 2009 5:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
so how does this mesh with mmalogic’s statement about ufc having first dibs on the fighters who still owe fights to affliction? maybe that doesn’t apply to these two? just curious.
by woooburn on Jul 27, 2009 5:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Babalu, Buentello, and a few others were already signed to Strikeforce anyways.
Perhaps they will wait to see if Mousasi will pan out in at Light Heavyweight.
They are going after Belfort and Nogueira from reports.
by AlwaysRelaxing on Jul 27, 2009 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mousasi didnt have a contract – he had a bout agreement. So we’ll see.
by mmalogic on Jul 27, 2009 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice to see one of the best fights from te Affliction card being preserved only 2 weeks after at Strikeforce.
This is a very solid fight. My only concern is that the winner will have absolutely no challengers unless they sign with the UFC.
by AlwaysRelaxing on Jul 27, 2009 5:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Should Babalu win
and the next step is indeed the UFC, do hardcore and casual fans alike forgive him for his sin?
by rzor on Jul 27, 2009 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
People have short memories
I doubt it’ll even be brought up outside of a place like this, if even here.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 27, 2009 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh I'll bring it up
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by subo on Jul 27, 2009 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As will I, something like that is the last thing this sport needs right now, or ever really. Bush league move he made and he deserved to be exiled for that.
by Zack Gobie on Jul 27, 2009 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep. That’s the kind of shit you don’t get a second chance to do.
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by subo on Jul 27, 2009 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Danas memory
is what need to be short. Not ours .
by Riney on Jul 27, 2009 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some will. Some won't.
I don’t think it was that bad myself, but I suspect the only opinions that matter are that of the UFC’s management itself.
It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.
by capital L on Jul 27, 2009 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm leaning towards Seraldo right now
But I have to see what they look like at weigh-in’s. Close call… Who does everyone else got?
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 27, 2009 5:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Moosassy all the way. Much better standing, and good enough defensive BJJ and scrambling to stay out of trouble.
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by Beer Monster on Jul 27, 2009 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think we need to hire Tito to say every fighter’s name out loud so we know what to really call them.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 27, 2009 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have these quotes bookmarked for just such an occasion.
“Here we are with Seraldo Babalu, you did an awesome job, saw why you’re a black belt in jiu-jitsu, getting an awesome submission there, I want to tell me what you see, let’s go ahead and see by the fight, what you saw, in the ring.”
“Matt the Lindland Law…The Law Lindland.”
“I’m gonna have my interpreter here for Fedor Emelianenko. Everybody had questions on what type of heavyweight you were. You’ve showed it once on Tim Sylvia in 38 seconds. You’ve done it again against Andrei Arlovski in 3 minutes and 34 seconds. Let me tell you how you feelin right now.”
“Well, Belfort, we saw you with an astonishing left hand, that’s the left hand that I used to see you knock people out time and time again, we’re gonna go ahead and go over it. Walk me through it, show me exactly what you seen with this.”
“Well, like I said, you show your hand-speed time and time again Vitor, 185 pounds, lady and gentlemen, let’s give Vitor Belfort a round of applause, an awesome 105 pounder, you just beat the number two guy in the world, buddy, you’re on top of the world tonight!”
“Wow! That’s all I got to say. Vitor at 185 pounds. I don’t know. I see him beating the, uh, what was it, Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart because you have two great boxers, and, man, that was amazing. That was the old Vitor Belfort that we all want to see. Him at 131 years old. He’s back for vengeance.”
“Yes, and uh, my back will be better in about three months, so I know all the fans would love to see me and you get it on. You know what, you’re an awesome fighter, congratulations tonight. Everybody lets give a hand to Renato Babalu, one of the greatest light heavyweights, of the night.”
They never get old.
by a tommy point on Jul 27, 2009 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
Worst Tito Quote:
Jenna, let’s have children.
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by themachiavellian on Jul 27, 2009 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Actually, that was one of Tito’s smarter quotes. Who else was gonna be able to birth twins with basketballs for heads?
There’s a method to his fail.
by a tommy point on Jul 27, 2009 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
quite possibly one of the funnier things I have read today, nice
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by FR702 on Jul 27, 2009 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Never
I have Tito-isms and Tyson-isms in documents to cheer me up on a rainy day.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 27, 2009 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed. Mous is a beast, and personally, I think he’d do very well in the UFC. His offensive BJJ’s not to shabby either.
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by RearNakedChoker on Jul 27, 2009 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Awesome news
I was looking forward to this fight just as much as Fedor vs Barnett. Still think Babalu takes this.
by a tommy point on Jul 27, 2009 5:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This is a headline fight of its own! i put 100 bucks on mousasi! hes going to be the next big thing!
by pandaboy99 on Jul 27, 2009 5:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Awesome! X 3
Great Great News!
Strikeforce LHW Class shaping up nicely now and the August 15th event has been saved again. =)
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 27, 2009 5:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Who else does their LHW class have to offer besides Mousasi and Babalu?
..Bobby Southworth? ..Mike Whitehead? They’ve got to make some serious LHW signings if you ask me, but it’s slim pickinz for non-Zuffa LHWs.
"He hit like a bitch."
by SMC on Jul 27, 2009 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LHW is the division Zuffa has the tightest stranglehold on – and that’s saying something.
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by subo on Jul 27, 2009 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea. Maybe Feijao can come back looking Black House caliber again and tear some dudes up and fight the winner, but that’s bout’ it.
"He hit like a bitch."
by SMC on Jul 27, 2009 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah dude
Their LHW division stinks. It’s a great fight, but it doesn’t change their division, particularly because this is not a signing of Mousasi.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 27, 2009 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its shaping up nicely, is all I said. I don’t believe it means best LHW div ever! LOL.
This is what MMAJunkie reported:
Mousasi will compete on the card with a new Strikeforce contract, Afromowitz said, and not as a loaned commodity from M-1.
Mousasi is currently riding a 12-fight win streak, including a successful run to DREAM’s middleweight crown in 2008, as well as a current semifinalist in DREAM’s open-weight “Super Hulk” tournament.
The new contract is not likely to affect Mousasi’s position in DREAM’s tournament, as the Japanese-based organization and Strikeforce have a history of working together to share talent.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 27, 2009 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But it’s not. Good fight, for sure, but shaping up the division? No. Not yet, anyway. Maybe sign Lil Nog and King Mo and we can start saying “shaping up”.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 27, 2009 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I consider Feijao, Babalu, Mousasi, Southworth, Whitehead, Ralek Gracie, Hamman, Rosa shaping up nicely for a division that has most of the talent in the UFC. Adding King Mo, Lil Nog, and someone like Vlad would definitely take it there though, for sure.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 27, 2009 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mousasi, first of all, is not part of the division now. Everything after Feijao & Babalu (who is reportedly on the last fight of his deal and wants to go back to Zuffa, by the way) is a work in progress. Keeping Babalu, getting Mousasi to take more fights/sign a deal, Feijao being back in good health, some of the latter mentioned guys racking up quality victories and the signing of at least two more fighters, would start to sway me. Much too early to get excited, I say. But, again, awesome fight and big get for a card that’s taken some unfortunate hits.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 27, 2009 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But, again, awesome fight and big get for a card that’s taken some unfortunate hits.
Hoping for Diaz vs Hieron or Daley as well, though, Baroni was being thrown around as well. =)
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 27, 2009 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
NOOOOOO
Please— no Baroni for that fight. I’d gladly take either of the other two. Daley would be a fun fight (that he would no doubt lose), but Hieron is the better matchup.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 27, 2009 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Woah there...
Temper that enthusiasm. Awesome fight, but doesn’t really do anything for Strikeforce’s anemic 205 division.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 27, 2009 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope Mousasi beats Babalu bad.
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by subo on Jul 27, 2009 5:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Why’s that? Still hold the David Heath fight against him?
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by themachiavellian on Jul 27, 2009 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think subo is just in a bad mood today. He wants everyone to go to the hospital.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 27, 2009 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or the morgue.
I wonder how many consecutive bad days I need to have in a row before it just becomes the baseline.
And yes, themach, I don’t want Babalu back in the UFC and the best way to ensure that is a Mousasi victory.
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by subo on Jul 27, 2009 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d be more willing to penalize him for it if other fighters were held to the same standard by the UFC heads – I don’t see Rampage pounding on a KO’d Silva while the ref was pulling on him as any different, but he got off clean.
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by themachiavellian on Jul 27, 2009 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn’t realize you didn’t want him in the UFC. He might be the only great fighter you don’t.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 27, 2009 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep. He fucked up. If he gets brought back then it’s a story. Right now, it’s a cautionary tale and an example of Dana putting the org and the sport over the fighter.
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by subo on Jul 27, 2009 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
My opinion is that he’s already been punished. It was a bullshit move, but Heath is okay, Babalu did his time, and now we can all move on.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 27, 2009 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you think Rampage should have been drummed out for hitting Wandy, or MacDonald for dribbling Doerkson’s head, both while the ref was trying to stop it? I’d say punching an unconscious fighter & furthering brain damage is worse than choking someone out, which is a common occurrence in training. Not trying to cause trouble, I’m sure this has been debated to near-death, but I just want your perspective.
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by themachiavellian on Jul 27, 2009 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Babalu did the worst deed of those three, personally. But I maintain that he’s done his time and it’s okay for him to come back.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 27, 2009 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why’s that?
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by themachiavellian on Jul 27, 2009 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Holding onto a choke when the ref is pulling your arms away requires more conscious effort than throwing an extra punch or two. It’s possible that Rampage didn’t even know the ref was on him, he was so pumped – avenging those losses and everything after the truck incident. Babalu went in to that fight with a plan and executed it.
It’s like the difference between regular heat-of-passion murder and premeditated, drawing a map beforehand murder.
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by subo on Jul 27, 2009 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And this stuff
RNC in the first degree.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 27, 2009 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The “Pre-meditation>Damage” argument makes sense. It implies the ethical standard lies with the action itself, not the end result of the action. However, I’ve never understood why the ref never even stopped the Babalu/Heath fight when Heath was helplessly elbowed.
Speaking of disgraced athletes, Michael Vick is back in the NFL “on probation”. Asshole.
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by themachiavellian on Jul 27, 2009 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fuck that shit
Dog murderer. I’ll withdraw my Bronco fandom if they sign him.
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by subo on Jul 27, 2009 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
He’s not signed with anyone yet, and sounds a bit broken based on the quotes. Glad to see he’s (possibly) reformed. Still don’t want him playing again.
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by themachiavellian on Jul 27, 2009 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was about to say...
..not quite yet.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 27, 2009 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Only thing worse than his signing with your team is his signing with one of your least favorite teams and leading them to a great record. I doubt that’s likely, but I don’t think I can bear to watch this season if Michael Vick leads the Cowboys to an NFC East title.
by An Old Friend on Jul 27, 2009 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don’t worry we(the Washington Redskins) will sign him and he will lead the league in return yardage. Big Nasty Haynesworth and Vick will lead us to the Super Bowl. And fellows there is still room on the Skins bandwagon so feel free to jump on now.
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by ronniebonnie on Jul 27, 2009 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You’ll be lucky if they don’t finish last in the division, with or without vick.
by Phildo on Jul 27, 2009 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is comical, i wont go into too much detail considering this is an ultimate fighting website but her i go. We had the #4 ranked defense last year and we added THE BEST defensive tackle and a stud DE to our line which will increase sacks and turnovers. With the additions to the O line and with the maturation of Malcolm Kelly and Devin Thomas we are looking at 10-6 easily, the Giants are the only team i fear. Playoffs bitches.
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by ronniebonnie on Jul 27, 2009 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don’t worry, just taking a potshot, at least you’re fearing the right team.
by Phildo on Jul 27, 2009 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What?
Dude, that was sooooo homer, I don’t even know where to begin. Enjoy your season..
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 27, 2009 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There’s room on that bandwagon every Goddamn year.
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by subo on Jul 27, 2009 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kyle Orton
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by ronniebonnie on Jul 27, 2009 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jason Campbell
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by subo on Jul 27, 2009 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
MVP.....MVP.....MVP
and if not Colt Brennan baby
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by ronniebonnie on Jul 27, 2009 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This has to be parody.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 27, 2009 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rec’d, and this is coming from a Skins fan.
by Zack Gobie on Jul 27, 2009 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Added strikes are uncertain in the damage done. Holding onto a choke well after you’ve been stopped? He almost certainly did some damage.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 27, 2009 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d rather be choked out than knocked out any day of the week thanks.
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by Benicio on Jul 27, 2009 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Those guys were already knocked out
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by Blackout612 on Jul 27, 2009 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
Choking someone out in training after they tap is a common occurence? I do not train BJJ, no gi or otherwise, so this is news to me. I can understand it happening if a guy doesn’t tap but I have a feeling if a guy held a choke until his sparring/rolling partner passed out after tapping then he would be run out of the gym pretty quick.
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by Warhand on Jul 27, 2009 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I meant going out – holding while tapping is bad, absolutely, but if you train, expect to be put to sleep. I trained judo for only a semester and passed out. I sat out for 30min, then went back to rolling. Fighters submit (willing) interviewers all the time for fun. I’m just saying that holding a choke until unconsciousness is safer than hitting a guy who’s stiff. However, the tapout is sacred, and not letting go is wrong.
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by themachiavellian on Jul 27, 2009 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Damn, Subo WTF calm down. He held the choke for what,1…maybe 2 seconds longer than he should have. (Okay, 2 seconds) Watch it over I think Rogan makes it way worse than it seems. What Soko did to El Nortje in Dream was far worse IMO. Nortje did nothing to provoke Soko unlike Heath did with Babalu.
GSP: I pulled my groin.
Greg Jackson: I don't care Georges! HIT HIM WITH YOUR GROIN!
by xFenixKnightx on Jul 27, 2009 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let’s stick to UFC-only occurrences to decide how UFC should handle it. You think he should be let back in, then?
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 27, 2009 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hell yeah I do.
GSP: I pulled my groin.
Greg Jackson: I don't care Georges! HIT HIM WITH YOUR GROIN!
by xFenixKnightx on Jul 27, 2009 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What about BJ on Jens, way worse in my opinion. Or at least as worse.
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by ronniebonnie on Jul 27, 2009 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really? Babalu refused to let go until Heath was out, all while Big John was literally trying to pry his arms off of David’s neck, and then preceded to say that he deserved it. Way worse IMO.
by Zack Gobie on Jul 27, 2009 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is worth posting, just so we all have to be in agreement with what we are seeing.
I think that’s not good. It made sense to drop him from the UFC, it should be remembered in case he acts up again, and there should be monetary repercussions for not following referee instructions/prompts.
However, I don’t think he should be done in the sport or even in the UFC based on that incident alone.
It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.
by capital L on Jul 27, 2009 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was confusing, I meant that kicking him out of the UFC for a time made sense. Although it does seem inconsistent in some sense to let him back in later—I suppose I haven’t fully reasoned it all out.
It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.
by capital L on Jul 27, 2009 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was Maz
Big John would’ve gotten his damn arms off.
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by subo on Jul 27, 2009 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Similar business, really.
It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.
by capital L on Jul 27, 2009 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Except BJ at least rubbed him a bit and a little spooning after he let go. Babalu just acted like a jackass.
by Zack Gobie on Jul 27, 2009 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Losing to BJ has to be the worst because he’s all hugging you, telling you he loves you and inviting you to his train at his gym when all you probably want to do is go take a shower. BJ is my favorite fighter, but I would have laughed my ass of if GSP invited him to train with team Jackson after kicking his butt for 20 minutes.
by Jahbulon on Jul 27, 2009 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They are both bad and i just think singling Babalu out is just jealousy over his good looks and sweet haircut.
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by ronniebonnie on Jul 27, 2009 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
and his awesome sleeve
It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.
by capital L on Jul 27, 2009 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am afraid i can’t sign off on tribal. Sorry Renato:(
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by ronniebonnie on Jul 27, 2009 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
WEC sais hello.
GSP: I pulled my groin.
Greg Jackson: I don't care Georges! HIT HIM WITH YOUR GROIN!
by xFenixKnightx on Jul 27, 2009 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't doubt for a second that the UFC gladiator has a ton of totally sick tribal tats.
The original octagon man didn’t bother with that jazz.
It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.
by capital L on Jul 27, 2009 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It only looks good if you look like you belong to a tribe. Babalu – yes. Huerta – yes. Corporate douchebag – no.
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by themachiavellian on Jul 27, 2009 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is one of the sickest looking sleeves out there.
GSP: I pulled my groin.
Greg Jackson: I don't care Georges! HIT HIM WITH YOUR GROIN!
by xFenixKnightx on Jul 27, 2009 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don’t get me wrong, he’s a good looking dude. But BJ didn’t put him to sleep then say he deserved it for talking shit.
by Zack Gobie on Jul 27, 2009 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So your punishing Babalu now because his choke is better than BJ’s or because Heath is a narcaleptic
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by ronniebonnie on Jul 27, 2009 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m punishing him because he admitted that he to consciously held a choke while the ref was trying to get him off because he was pissed off. That’s a no go no matter who you are. And I don’t dislike Babalu at all, I think he deserved getting released and losing his win bonus.
by Zack Gobie on Jul 27, 2009 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.
by capital L on Jul 27, 2009 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s how he’ll find Mrs. Couture #3.
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by themachiavellian on Jul 27, 2009 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
So it’s okay because Heath talked shit? I reject that in its entirety.
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by subo on Jul 27, 2009 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno I still think Rogan blew it up more than it deserved. Its not like the ref couldn’t get Babalu off.
GSP: I pulled my groin.
Greg Jackson: I don't care Georges! HIT HIM WITH YOUR GROIN!
by xFenixKnightx on Jul 27, 2009 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He HELD THE CHOKE UNTIL HE WAS OUT! How is that blowing it up?
by Zack Gobie on Jul 27, 2009 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, you talk shit you get the choke held a little longer. Either that or you get the horseshoe pulled out of your ass and beat over the head with that summabitch.
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by ronniebonnie on Jul 27, 2009 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The controversy is that Babalu didn’t obey the tap or the ref, both of which are what prevents deaths in this sport. Lesnar did neither.
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by themachiavellian on Jul 27, 2009 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ignoring the tap is questionable behavior, but not obeying the ref is what really can not be allowed.
It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.
by capital L on Jul 27, 2009 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Freaking Awesome!
Strikeforce saves the day.
by Jmend255 on Jul 27, 2009 5:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Strikeforce need to sign Rogerio.
"He hit like a bitch."
by SMC on Jul 27, 2009 5:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
UFC please.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 27, 2009 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder if you caught the row Leland and I had about Lil Nog yay!
For the record, I still feel the same way.
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by subo on Jul 27, 2009 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Word
Lil Nog is awesome. His boxing is meaner than a mother fucker.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 27, 2009 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Um… read my link.
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by subo on Jul 27, 2009 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Man
I can’t sift through all that junk. I searched the term lil nog and read everything you wrote with that term. Quote yourself fool!
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 27, 2009 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here I'll get you started
Rogerio would be about the eight best LHW in the UFC.
Search my name or that, fool – then read below. I feel I acquitted myself well.
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by subo on Jul 27, 2009 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
One more in case you are in fact that lazy
I hate Rush Limbaugh – I listen to his show just so I can feel secure in loathing him, and he never disappoints.
Limbaugh was full of shit – McNabb is a perennial Pro Bowler that led his team to four straight NFC Championship games (and was within a Tom Brady 4th quarter drive of winning a Super Bowl). Also, McNabb is already competing against the best in the world at his sport, so it’s not sheer projection to say ’he’d do x in the Big Leagues’. Rogerio’s strength of schedule over the last three years simply doesn’t support the argument that he’s a top five LHW, so there must be some other motivation to say ‘oh yeah he’d come into Zuffa and kick Jardine’s overrated ass’.
I think that people that give a shit what other people think feel obligated to hold some views just for the sake of maintaining a false sense of balance. While Leland is an unashamed UFC fan, it seems to me this is one of those arguments he can fall back on when accused of such and say ‘but I love Lil Nog! He’d fuck Forrest up! Would a UFC nuthugger say that shit?’ Or maybe he’s just in love with Lil Nog. I can’t be sure because I mostly got derision in response to my arguments.
Lucky for me, I stopped caring what other people thought of me about ten years ago. Thus, I look at each fighter, each fight, each situation individually, and whatever side of the mythical ‘UFC v. Fuck the UFC’ divide my opinion happens to fall on, so be it. In this case, I stand by Rogerio being the 7th or 8th best LHW in the world – and I think Cane would give him fits.
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by subo on Jul 27, 2009 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think honestly a lot of it (in this case) stems from him having a twin brother who was, until recently, undeniably elite.
How can he not be awesome?
Either way, he’s at least pretty good, and I’d love to see him fight better competition—inside or outside the UFC—to find out for sure.
It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.
by capital L on Jul 27, 2009 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What did you have to link THAT for?
Just say you don’t like him and be done with it. Shiiiiiiiiiiit….
And, also; your basis of relativity to indicate whether you want him in the UFC or not is bonkers. They tried to book Hendo (who should stay at MW) against Franklin because they wore thin. There’s always room for more great fighters, and if you’re arguing that Lil Nog is not a top fighter at 205, you need to grab some tape.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 27, 2009 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How is #8 not a top fighter? I’d love to see him in the UFC.
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by subo on Jul 27, 2009 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Soooooo… what the hell are we talking about here?
We both want him in the UFC. I didn’t have to read your Limbaugh diatribe to catch that beach ball.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 27, 2009 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but I was more entertained by how pissed Leland got. Maybe his Manhoef posters face Lil Nog statues or something.
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by subo on Jul 27, 2009 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also
195?
Stock it up, son..
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 27, 2009 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh yeah
And eat my asshole; I thought that “Lil Nog would fuck up Forrest” quote was, in fact, yours. And I’m super lazy for being here, not for missing your whole thread of comments. I’m running a company over here, hombre!!
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 27, 2009 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Give me a job and we’ll discuss the asshole thing.
Also, r-e-a-d.
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by subo on Jul 27, 2009 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You do what I do
While still reading all of my literary genius, and I’ll pay you what I pay me.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 27, 2009 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Josh Thomson might be out of his fight with Gilbert Melendez. Source is MMA Junkie.
This might be the weirdest card ever. And it might get more weird depending on if Thomson is in fact injured…. And then who they might get for Werdum & Melendez.
by AlwaysRelaxing on Jul 27, 2009 6:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Put your hands together
Werdum vs. Melendez.
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by subo on Jul 27, 2009 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damn it- I really don’t want to see Melende-Gurgel for the interim belt or something silly like that.
"He hit like a bitch."
by SMC on Jul 27, 2009 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And make subo an official Strikeforce matchmaker with that idea!!
So of the 5 title fights for this card: 3 have injuries, 1 is a late replacement, and 1 is likely to have one girl overweight.
It’s Showtime!!!
by AlwaysRelaxing on Jul 27, 2009 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would be pissed. This card has gone through the ringer..
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 27, 2009 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Strikeforce could yank Gomi (who was training for his Affliction fight, of course) and put em in against Melendez (if Thompson is in fact out), then that’d be bomb.
Unrealistic?
"He hit like a bitch."
by SMC on Jul 27, 2009 6:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It makes sense to get a guy like Gomi, Horodecki, or another Lightweight from Affliction.
However, they need to have their champions signed to longer term contracts. It is hard to do that on short notice. It would be risky to have any of them win the interm title and then book out of the company.
They already have enough issues getting Overeem back. And I question if Mousasi is actually signed to a Strikeforce contract.
by AlwaysRelaxing on Jul 27, 2009 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mousasi will compete on the card with a new Strikeforce contract, Afromowitz said, and not as a loaned commodity from M-1.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 27, 2009 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There’s a chance what Anderson Silva does will blow all these injuries, canceled fights, positive steroid tests out of the water… every KNOWN contingency is being prepared but there are so many variables nobody fuckin knows whats gonna happen. I swear this guy is Bi-Polar.
by mmalogic on Jul 27, 2009 7:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
???
Is he still talking about retirement? Is he done at 185? Speak, damn you.
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by subo on Jul 27, 2009 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here’s logic earlier:
I guarantee Fedor will be in the UFC. This whole deal/collaboration was based around engineering this.
I think he’s right, Sup. What say your desperately-searching-for-a-new-Zuffa-foil ass?
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by subo on Jul 27, 2009 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As for Fedor, I already mentioned that I don’t mind where he ends up. Now, they can do all this to negotiate with and and possibly sign him, but exclusive and long term is something Fedor don’t do. It will be interesting to see how that turns out. Many people don’t see it happening in the matter of a week though.
As for Anderson Silva, this is his latest interview:
http://www.fightersonlymagazine.co.uk/news/viewarticle.php?id=2809
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 27, 2009 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s a neat interview, he was kinda testy.
It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.
by capital L on Jul 27, 2009 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He hasn’t been a happy camper for a while.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 27, 2009 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Best quote
"There are people better than me who could defeat me – but we don’t know them."
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by subo on Jul 27, 2009 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have no clue… I am prepared to witness one of the most bizarre instances in MMA history.
I am pretty certain he’ll step into the cage and stay there until the bell rings… after that I have no clue.
by mmalogic on Jul 27, 2009 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wanted this to happen when Affliction folded, it only made sense that the StrikeForce LHW champion fill in one of the spots on the main card, and thankfully they aquired Mousasi for the bout… I can’t wait, the first 16 days of August are going to be awesome for me, I’m going to UFC 101 and this Strikeforce event, I cannot wait
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by FR702 on Jul 27, 2009 7:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nice
Now fix the typo in your sig :-D
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by subo on Jul 27, 2009 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha NO, I’m not going to let you bully me around like I’ve seen you do to everyone else…. :-D maybe in due time Subo
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, viloence or insanity, but they've always worked for me." ~ Hunter S. Thompson
by FR702 on Jul 27, 2009 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don’t make me get viloent.
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by subo on Jul 27, 2009 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is the fight that is going to make Mousasi famous.
Mousasi by 2nd round TKO.
I am so glad they put this fight back on, it was the 2nd best fight on the card IMO.
by DirtyML on Jul 27, 2009 8:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Mousasi On Fighting In A Cage and For 5 Rounds
“I’m actually more excited because it’s in a cage,” Mousasi told me. “I think it’s better for a stand-up fighter, so I think it’s going to work out well for me. I have no problems going for five rounds or so. I’m still training twice a day, every day.”
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 27, 2009 8:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
WTF!!!! AHHHHH!!!!
Josh Thomson’s injury not fully healed, Aug. 15 Strikeforce title fight may be in jeopardy.
Via Junkie… :(
GSP: I pulled my groin.
Greg Jackson: I don't care Georges! HIT HIM WITH YOUR GROIN!
by xFenixKnightx on Jul 27, 2009 9:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yup, which is why this fight is great on the card.
MMA fans are somehow hoping we now see Melendez vs Gomi.
=)
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 27, 2009 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oops, just read this.
Enough of this shit!!!!! Dude, Im fighting unless something happens to my big toe again. LOL If ya got anything from my dam radio interview is was that im gonna nut up an fight this fight cuz I dont know a fighter who hasnt fought without an injury. I wasnt a 100% the 1st time an I wont be this time but sometimes you just have to have a lil faith in God an myself to pull me through. Enough said, Im fighting an thats the end of this post!
Josh "thepunk" Thomson
GSP: I pulled my groin.
Greg Jackson: I don't care Georges! HIT HIM WITH YOUR GROIN!
by xFenixKnightx on Jul 27, 2009 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good to know. I’d rather see Thomson vs. Melendez than Gomi vs. Melendez—which would still be a good fight. Maybe down the road?
by An Old Friend on Jul 28, 2009 2:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Affliction folds
And Strikeforce grows stronger, solidifying itself as a great alternative organization to the UFC. Why is Affliction folding a bad thing for MMA again?
by cyph on Jul 27, 2009 9:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Affliction T-shirts inside the octagon again
It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.
by capital L on Jul 27, 2009 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito Ortiz on Vitor Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on Jul 27, 2009 10:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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