The Frustration of Fedor Emelianenko's Management
Since last Friday's bombshell that Affliction's MMA promotion was folding, M-1 Global's website has been a constant feed of information regarding Fedor's aspirations and the thinking behind what Fedor's management would want in order to put Fedor into the Octagon. The most notable quote that was also posted here recently is from Fedor's manager, Vadim Finkelchtein:
"We are now with Fedor in the U.S. and we hope to make a decision about his next fight within the next few days," Finkelchtein stated. "There are many business meetings and negotiations planned with all the major promotions. We will explore the possibility of Fedor fighting Barnett and will even look into whether the fight can take place as soon as August (since Barnett has not been suspended)."
Finkelchtein also believes that the cancellation of "Trilogy" could be used as an opportunity to jump start stagnant negotiations to bring Fedor to the UFC.
"This is the moment of truth that the UFC has talked about. Fedor and I are here in the States. If they want to come out and fly here, we are ready to conduct negotiations. Of course it still doesn’t imply we are ready to accept any conditions they’ll throw at us. We want to talk to the UFC about having Fedor compete against some of their fighters, but only within the framework of co-promotional efforts with M-1 Global."
Obviously, the most scrutinized piece of this quote talks about Fedor competing in the UFC "only within the framework of co-promotional efforts with M-1 Global". This is the deal breaker, and in my mind, this is the lone reason why Fedor Emelianenko will never step foot in the Octagon.
It's fairly hard for anyone to understand how Vadim Finkelchtein actually believes he has any power in this situation. They do hold the keys to one of the most dominant heavyweight MMA fighters in the world, but the UFC is making massive amounts of money without his services. Furthermore, Lesnar is a huge PPV draw that produces substantial profits for the UFC on top of creating a hot buzz around himself in regards to potentially being an unbeatable heavyweight champion. Why does Vadim continue to try to lure the UFC with Fedor's status?
It's obvious right now that Fedor isn't an immense draw on any PPV card. He doesn't have a UFC marketing team behind him pushing his image to the public, and he'd surely be a solid draw if the UFC had him under contract. With M-1 Global, he isn't going to be that type of draw. This gives the UFC a heavy advantage in the fact that they'll never truly have to worry about any match-up outside of the UFC hurting them with Fedor as a headliner. Furthermore, the UFC continues to be a place where all the best heavyweights continue to aspire to be involved in. Outside of fighting Barnett in Japan or taking on Overeem, Fedor doesn't really have too many more fights to battle outside the UFC.
The most perplexing argument that Vadim makes, however, is that fact that they still want a co-promotional effort from the UFC with M-1 Global. The UFC produces huge PPV buyrates and solid revenue for almost every event they've put on with the exception of some of the UK cards early in their expansion. Is Fedor's value as the top heavyweight actually a fair trade-off for the exposure the UFC would be able to give M-1 Global? No, it isn't at all. It also creates a situation in which the UFC would be helping out a potential competitor, something Dana White would never do. It astounds me that Vadim Finkelchtein actually believes Dana White would be open to the idea.
What will happen? The UFC isn't going to work out a deal with Fedor under the circumstances of a co-promotional effort, but a promotion like Strikeforce would definitely be willing to do so. They would likely be willing to give Fedor non-exclusivity or permission to fight in Japan as they have with several of their fighters. It's really a win-win for Fedor and his management under their known terms. Strikeforce could setup bouts with Brett Rogers, Alistair Overeem, and possibly Fabricio Werdum as well.
Most would say that Strikeforce doesn't have the money to pull off such a deal, and I'd be pretty adamant to agree with that. Scott Coker didn't push Strikeforce to where it is today by making ridiculous deals, but SHOWTIME may put a lot of the money up to bring Fedor to Strikeforce to push better ratings for their cards and potentially create a solid CBS event. It's a possibility for sure. If they did in fact sign Fedor, it really becomes a question of whether Strikeforce could market the show to casual fans in a way that is much more broader than what Affliction ever did. Signs on New York cabbies isn't going to cut it.
Strikeforce is still a tough sell for most fans. A situation in which FEG comes in throwing huge bucks at Fedor is definitely the best possibility, and they could make the Barnett fight happen depending on Barnett's media reaction when he battles it out in IGF on August 9th. The major frustration here is that after the Barnett fight, there really isn't much for Fedor to do in Japan other than possibly take on the forementioned names in Alistair Overeem or Fabricio Werdum on loan from Strikeforce.
In the end, Fedor is likely going to stay out of the UFC due to Vadim Finkelchtein's demands regarding exposure to M-1 Global. It's unrealistic, and I'm fairly certain everyone within the UFC's brass thinks Vadim is "crazy" for even proposing such an offer that obviously helps out their competition. Don't get too excited at the prospect of Brock Lesnar vs. Fedor Emelianenko unless Dana White somehow works out a "miracle" deal.
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It really is frustrating that M-1 Global pretty much leeches off of other promotions in the US. They talk about co-promotion as if they are going to do more than loan Fedor or their other fighters out. I do wonder though how much Fedor himself has as far as control and say as well. Josh Gross was saying on the Jordan Breen show that he feels that Fedor has A LOT more power than we think and that he is always planning his next move (whether that is true or not we will never know).
It's all true...
the idea that M-1 is in any position to “co-promote” with the biggest organization on the planet is just dumb. And you’re exactly right that the UFC has absolutely no incentive to cave to such a demand. They’re building up a solid heavyweight division as is and there are a lot of fans that already say they would take Lesnar over Fedor. now if that is true than even the “unbeatable aura” of Fedor is slipping.
He’s just not worth anywhere near what they want. The UFC is well within the right end of things to just do whatever they see as appropriate.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jul 27, 2009 12:13 PM EDT reply actions
Mousasi?
Are we in the same boat with him as we are with Fedor, management wise?
I heard that he’s aiming at getting a UFC contract, so I don’t know what the deal is…
I imagine he was simply under contract with Affliction, but buddy-buddy with M-1 Global since it was a co-promote. He might be clear of everything, but we won’t know for quite some time.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 27, 2009 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d say no, because demands such as this cannot possibly be associated with him. Vadim considers Fedor to be the single best thing in the world of MMA, so he’s his bargaining chip for co-promotions.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Charles Awad on Jul 27, 2009 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Call me an optimist
But I think Fedor’s coming to the UFC.
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by Derek Suboticki on Jul 27, 2009 1:26 PM EDT reply actions
Ok "optimist"
I will make an “avatar” bet with you that this doesn’t happen…. you’re too good when it comes to betting with money w/ the superior poker skill you have exhibited.
If Fedor does come to the UFC, I have to rock an avatar of your choosing for 2 months and I have to post something on here at least once a day.
If the signing of Fedor Emelianenko IS NOT apart of the huge announcements that Dana has in store on the 31st…. you’ll rock an avatar of my choosing but for only 1 month since you post on here a lot more and I don’t want to humiliate you too bad :)
George Lucas is a major douche bag... do everyone a favor and forget how to use the internet.
by Gunslinger20 on Jul 28, 2009 3:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Hmm.
I’ll get back to you on that. I’m afraid of what you’d choose.
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by Derek Suboticki on Jul 28, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I am curious as to what Fedor’s deal was with Affliction and if that transfers to UFC. If there is a contract with Affliction that has a clause that doesn’t allow Fedor to compete in the US , and UFC now holds that contract, then Strikeforce is out of the picture.
by SanDiegoMMA.net on Jul 27, 2009 1:26 PM EDT reply actions
According to mmalogics post, nothing has transferred to the UFC. We know that Fedor owes Affliction 1 fight. Logic says that the contract is a worldwide exclusive thing, so he can’t fight anywhere else until he does that fight for Affliction.
Instead of actually giving the UFC the contracts, Affliction is going to hold on to them and do exactly what Zuffa tells them to do with them. And since they aren’t going to promote a fight, and Zuffa isn’t going to want to live up to the terms of most of the contracts, the time period on all of the contracts is in effect an exclusive negotiation period with Zuffa and that fighter.
Well damn
That may be a dick move, but it would be sick to see:
Fedor
Barnett
Yvel
Buentello
Mousasi
Vitor
Santiago
Hieron
Daley
Gomi (maybe)
Horodecki (if he’s old enough yet)
all in the UFC. (sorry if I forgot anyone)
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by ElliotMatheny on Jul 27, 2009 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Wouldn’t it just?
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 27, 2009 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh yeah.
I could see guys like Josh, Buentello, Mousasi, Vitor, Jorge, Jay, and even Gomi going to the UFC though.
Considering that the best HW fight in the world couldn’t come to fruition, I am now starting to shift to the stance that it might be nice to see Fedor in the Octagon against the likes of Lesnar, Couture, and the rest of the HW division.
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by ElliotMatheny on Jul 27, 2009 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I guarantee Fedor will be in the UFC. This whole deal/collaboration was based around engineering this.
That's a bold statement.
I hope you’re right.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 27, 2009 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Well…that’s saying something.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito Ortiz on Vitor Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on Jul 27, 2009 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes
His terms are good for M-1, not Fedor, according to everything I have read.
Agent should act in the best interest of the fighter.
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by Well Read Idiot on Jul 28, 2009 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
i wonder if the ufc brass will be privy to the actual pay per view numbers from the two affliction cards, now that they’re dissolved. would be interesting to know exactly how much of a “draw” he was. unless those numbers were made public and i’m forgetting about it.
by woooburn on Jul 27, 2009 1:34 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
If Strikeforce signed Fedor they would become Zuffa enemy #1, and that is not a good thing to be.
Keep firing Assholes!
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Fedor is Dana's reticle
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by Charles Awad on Jul 27, 2009 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I GUARANTEE FEDOR WILL BE IN THE UFC. Whether Finkie knows it or not.
Listen closely and I’ll connect the dots for you:
Zuffa Hates Affliction. Zuffa doesn’t need anymore clothing sponsors. 3 weeks prior to Josh Barnett testing positive Affliction sent notices to Trump Entertainment and Golden Boy that this will be their last show and they were done in this business… (To Trump E in particular because Affliction paid some of their fees in equity and this was a notice to a shareholder).
So now ask yourself what does Zuffa gain by this “Collaboration”? Zuffa hates Affliction, Affliction was already going to stop promoting, Zuffa doesn’t need anymore clothing sponsors, etc…
I’ll tell you what Zuffa gains: Finkie’s Balls in a vice.
I guarantee Fedor will be in the UFC.
Or in court for a year
attempting to get out of it.
Tell me again why Fedor has to make concessions for the “privilege” of fighting in the Octagon? Other than the Brock Lesnar fight (which will still be lucrative two years from now) and the Randy fight (which loses all luster if Noguiera beats him) what fights does Fedor have to take featuring UFC guys?
However, if Fedor stays outside of the UFC, he can continue to help build M-1 Global into an internationally-recognized MMA promoter, leveraging Fedor’s fame into exposure for other fighters under that umbrella. He can increase the profile of MMA in Russia by being an ambassador for the sport in his dual role as Sambo champion and #1 heavyweight fighter. And he can continue to make millions every time that he fights.
Will appearing in the EA game increase Fedor’s profile in this country? I think so. Will fighting on CBS? I KNOW so. So I think Fedor will be ok.
Money.
The answer is money.
No one has any reason to believe Strikeforce would make all the concessions fedor wants. He can’t build M-1 Glbal into an internationally-recognzied MMA promoter without help of another org. If they were able to do it on their own, they would have. Instead of teaming up with Pride, Yarrenoka, Bodog, Affliction.
M1 can’t do it on their own, there’s a very good possibility that the way to get the most money for Fedor (and Vadim) is to give up on all the other copromotion shit, and just sign the standard UFC contract. No one else has the money to throw around. Strikeforce doesn’t, Japan doesn’t. Unless some other group of knuckleheads decides in the next year to be the next Pride, there will be nowhere to go but the Octagon.
Zuffa has had money for a while now. Why is today’s money (with the dollar being as weak as it is) better than next year’s money, or 2011’s money?
And I’m not reading anybody’s mind, but every public statement that M-1 makes suggests that “all the other copromotion shit” is what Vadim & Co. live for. You presume an urgency that just doesn’t exist. You presume an ego, and a sense that Fedor thinks that he has something to prove, when the fact is, he could retire now as one of the all-time greats. If he believes that signing the Standard UFC Contract is a compromise to his integrity and manhood, he’s well within his rights, and I say more power to him — after all, if Fedor can’t tell the UFC no, no one can.
Considering that the UFC HW division is the only HW division that actually matters worldwide if Fedor wants to fight the best competition he has to come to the UFC to do it. He has left more dead promotions in his wake that anyother fightert so the idea that M1 is going to become a powerhouse is laughable and delusional. Simply put Fedor isn’t a draw and unless he comes over to the UFC he won’t be and more importantly he is one loss away from losing it all. Fedor get KTFO by a no name fighter in Japan and out goes the UFC offer and all the hype and bs surrounding him.
by Raker on Jul 28, 2009 12:42 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Considering that the UFC HW division is the only HW division that actually matters worldwide if Fedor wants to fight the best competition he has to come to the UFC to do it. He has left more dead promotions in his wake that anyother fightert so the idea that M1 is going to become a powerhouse is laughable and delusional. Simply put Fedor isn’t a draw and unless he comes over to the UFC he won’t be and more importantly he is one loss away from losing it all. Fedor get KTFO by a no name fighter in Japan and out goes the UFC offer and all the hype and bs surrounding him.
I think you’re fooled by smoke and mirrors. If BROCK LESNAR gets KTFO’d by some random UFC heavyweight, like Cheick Kongo or Junior Dos Santos, the whole house of cards falls down. Would a 6-2 or 7-2 fighter be universally recognized as one of the greats? And would Kongo/Gonzaga/Velasquez/Dos Santos be viewed as #1 in the world if he knocked him out? UFC’s Heavyweight division has bodies, and solid talent, but Fedor can fight seasoned veterans that are just as credible outside of the UFC. And all it takes is a Brock Lesnar loss to dissipate all of the hype and BS surrounding him. Do I think that will happen? Not really. But do I know that it WON’T happen? Not at all. So maybe the safe play is to let UFC’s heavyweight division work itself out, so that Brock has a legitimate and stable claim to being the World’s #2 Heavyweight, rather than sign with the UFC in order to give their Heavyweight Poster Boy legitimacy by fighting him.
If Lesnar gets KTFO by Kongo then Kongo becomes a huge mega star and the UFC can build to a Kongo/Lesnar 2 fight which would be an even bigger buyrate and make more money for Zuffa. Simply put the only people worried about Fedor are a handfull of hardcore fans and their opinions don’t matter to the rest of the MMA fanbase. Whoever the UFC is automatically the #1 HW in the world considering that no other mma org even has half the talent at HW that they do that will continue it’s put up or go away time for Fedor.

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