Should Mixed Martial Arts Fans "Vote With Their Dollars"?
Short of having a team of international assassins snuff out anyone who keeps the MMA paradise from being realized, the best move fans can make is to vote with their dollars. If it becomes clear the buying public will not support promotions that are doomed to failure, premier fighters will be unwilling to lunge headfirst into a temple of financial doom and we will reach the end game that much quicker. We’ll see the world’s best fighters negotiating with the UFC and securing their financial futures while delivering the promise that the UFC made from its very inception -- the world’s best fighters fighting one another.
I'm not so sanguine about the idea, most notably because it's generally been the UFC's success in getting customers and fans to fork over dollars that's compelled competitors to get into the business (at least insofar as North America is concerned). If you've got the time, Jay Larkin has lots to tell you about the illusion that MMA exists in healthy doses beyond the confines of the UFC brand.
However, I do concede at this point it is highly unlikely there is a group of investors ready to piss into the wind. That's progress and part of the education process about how the MMA market and its fans operate. I'm not so sure we could've arrived at this position without this type of discovery process. So while I do not deny Affliction's implosion has left numerous fighters in a serious lurch, I also recognize the process of challenging a market leader for larger shares is all but an inevitability. It's regrettable that fighters are suffering and float in limbo, but MMA fans are now and have long been voting with their wallets. And yet, we're still in this position. On the other hand, it's also why Affliction, EliteXC, the IFL, BodogFight and the WFA are no longer in business.
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What else are MMA fans supposed to vote with?
What else matters to the ultimate success of an MMA Promotion?
by Razreshat on Jul 27, 2009 9:34 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
It all depends...
is it more important to you have a single successful promotion or is it worth it to you to see a promotion try and succeed?
Was affliction doomed to financial failure? Most likely, yes. Were they still trying to do shows for the fans? Yeah. In my eyes they deserved my money because they were doing things to earn it.
Now a promotion like EXC was not doing anything to earn my money. I never would have paid for a ticket to one of their shows or paid for a PPV (had they ever tried to go that route).
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jul 27, 2009 9:53 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I already vote with my dollar.
I haven’t given the UFC a nickel since they banned Internet media outlets in 2005.
Although detractors decry (MMA) as a brutal, bloody form of human cockfighting, aficionados know it is a brutal, bloody, totally fucking awesome form of human cockfighting. -The Onion
by The Kittitas Kid on Jul 27, 2009 10:02 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sherdog, FCF, etc.
You know, the ones who kept it alive before the mainstream gave a shit.
Although detractors decry (MMA) as a brutal, bloody form of human cockfighting, aficionados know it is a brutal, bloody, totally fucking awesome form of human cockfighting. -The Onion
by The Kittitas Kid on Jul 27, 2009 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought it was the hardcore fans that kept it alive.
by mattman73 on Jul 27, 2009 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How did the hardcore fans get their info about results?
Especially for smaller shows and Japan? For me, it was those outlets. And when the UFC turned their back on them, I sent them an email saying I wouldn’t give them another dime until they re-instituted those sites’ access. And they haven’t yet, and I’m loath to go back on my word.
Although detractors decry (MMA) as a brutal, bloody form of human cockfighting, aficionados know it is a brutal, bloody, totally fucking awesome form of human cockfighting. -The Onion
by The Kittitas Kid on Jul 27, 2009 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m still thinking it was the hardcore fans that actually paid money to see the shows is what kept the sport alive.
by mattman73 on Jul 27, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was mostly the sites giving the hardcore fans a place to go for info…etc. Yeah, it helped when fans went to shows but those shows meant nothing in the long run if there wasn’t a place for those fans to then go and discuss the sport.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jul 27, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is your (and the fighters) loss.
I want to say thank you for supporting MMA and the people who make it happen. Cheers!
by Riney on Jul 27, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not my loss.
Although detractors decry (MMA) as a brutal, bloody form of human cockfighting, aficionados know it is a brutal, bloody, totally fucking awesome form of human cockfighting. -The Onion
by The Kittitas Kid on Jul 27, 2009 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It will be when UFC starts cracking down more on pirating the way pro wrestling has.
by Zack Gobie on Jul 27, 2009 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think its working.
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by Ubernoober on Jul 27, 2009 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Vote with your attention
That is the ultimate commodity in the modern economy (advertisers, sponsors, etc.). So far, none of these other promoters has been able to capture the attention and imagination of mainstream America the was UFC has.
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by thetakeover on Jul 27, 2009 10:24 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I do concede at this point it is highly unlikely there is a group of investors ready to piss into the wind.
Anyone who thinks the UFC is bad for the sport should also believe that poorly run promotions like Affliction are bad for the sport. While they give you that short term thrill of believing that the UFC has a rival or is in some danger, they ultimately end up making the UFC stronger and discouraging future competition. If a serious well run challenger to the UFC is coming some where down the road, their job is now going to be more difficult because of Affliction and EliteXC. It is going to be harder for them to get investors, harder to get media coverage, harder to sign fighters and harder to capture the interest of fans.
by Jahbulon on Jul 27, 2009 10:39 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
in addition to all that, every time an org fails it gives the UFC more leverage with the fighters in their next negotiation. IF another group decides to make a run on it, Dana has another name on his tombstone that he can pull out during negotiations and say, “they may be offering you more money, but what are the chances you actually fulfill that contract?”
by Phildo on Jul 27, 2009 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eh
I’m a fan of MMA, and I watch the shows that are compelling to me and pay for them if necessary. I’m not altruistic enough to want to make a political statement with my viewing/purchasing decisions. I find the UFC’s tactics when dealing with its fighters to be highly objectionable, so theoretically I’d like to see competition to either give more negotiating power to the fighters or to defeat the UFC, but I always pay for UFC PPVs, I’ve attended a couple of their shows in person, and I’ve even bought some merchandise from them. I guess I’m a whore.
by yarky1 on Jul 27, 2009 10:54 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
sure, “voting with their dollars” can have an effect, but that’s assuming the average fan actually cares how promotions are run, and doesn’t just wanna see entertaining fights.
by woooburn on Jul 27, 2009 10:55 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This is also a standard sports argument. Take, say the Chicago Cubs. Every year they suck people are on the radio claiming that fans shouldn’t go to the park to send a message that management needs to make the team better.
Okay, that’s fair enough…but at the same time if someone enjoys doing something (going to a baseball game, watching fights) it’s not up to them to make things better. Any organization knows that their job is to succeed to the greatest degree possible. If it takes fan’s not coming to their events to get that message across they’re going to fail anyway.
The idea that you should give up watching or doing something you enjoy to “send a message” may be true…but it’s not fair to the fans.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jul 27, 2009 11:01 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Yeah, I really don’t get why people should take extra effort to “send a message” any louder than simply paying or not paying a reasonable or unreasonable amount of money to see pay per views, or tuning in or TiVo’ing (or ignoring) a fight card that they can see for free, based upon their preferences.
If the UFC wants to own the MMA landscape, they should work for it just like an upstart would work for its small market sliver. There’s no free lunch…especially for a billion-dollar corporation.
by madiq on Jul 27, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like the relegation option that exists in European sports like soccer.
Your franchise sucks, welcome to the minors.
by Razreshat on Jul 27, 2009 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ll pay for fights that I deem worthy. I don’t care if it’s in the UFC, Affliction, Strikeforce, Wild Bill’s Fight Night.
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by Mike Fagan on Jul 27, 2009 11:45 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
It won't be in Affliction
Not sure if you heard Mike but they went out of business.
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by ufc4 on Jul 27, 2009 2:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Affliction went out of business?!?!
When did this happen?!?!
by GetItOn on Jul 27, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The strange premise of the Rios article is that the UFC with no major competition would actually be the wished-for “MMA utopia.” I understand the rush to that conclusion—one top organization with the best fighters is most fans’ dream, and the UFC is closer to that than anyone has ever been. But I’m not convinced that the UFC would be ideal in this regard. I mean, maybe they would really give us all the best fights between the best guys. But maybe they’d simply put on the most cost-effective fights possible, with an emphasis on crowd-pleasing stand-and-bang, while ridding themselves of fighters that are good but deemed insufficiently popular and overly demanding, with the knowledge that such guys have no place else to go. Do the Yushin Okami’s of the world have a place in a UFC monopoly?
Anyway, I’m sure it wouldn’t be that dire. I guess there’s nothing stopping them from dropping Okami right now. But the point is, I don’t think the UFC—or any other organization—could fulfill the fan’s ideal. Which makes asking fans to stop paying for good fights if they’re under the “wrong” banner a pretty weird suggestion.
by JRN on Jul 27, 2009 12:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think the problem lies in assuming that all fans have the same idea of MMA utopia.
I definitely wouldn’t want modern MMA to turn into nothing but stand and bang competitions.
by Razreshat on Jul 27, 2009 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is a false assumption. History has taught us that when a company becomes complacent, a new competitor will take its place. Boxing became complacent, and MMA is in the process of replacing it. MMA is here to not compete with each other but with other sports for eyeballs and dollars. There is a false dichotomy of the UFC and everyone else as competitors. There is that, but the greater competition is elsewhere. Casual fans make up the majority of all MMA viewers. There is competition for their dollars from all directions. The UFC will not allow themselves to sell copper as gold. Fans are not sutpid. Without a strong organization to compete against the NFL, MBL, and NBA for dollars and viewership, the sport will grow very slowly.
The UFC can never be a monopoly because MMA is not an industry. Sports entertainment is the industry and the UFC is a very small player in it.
by cyph on Jul 27, 2009 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I figured it wold be clear that by “monopoly” I meant the situation discussed in the post—the UFC as the one major MMA organization.
What I’m suggesting as a hypothetical danger is not that the UFC become complacent, but rather that with no competition, they might water down their product if it suits them to do so. They’ve always placed the brand before the fighters, and that strategy combined with no competition could (again, hypothetically) lead to further manipulation of the fighter pool for maximum revenue rather than maximum quality. I’d like to believe that maximum quality naturally leads to maximum revenue, but I’m not so sure.
by JRN on Jul 27, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is why I argue that it’s not possible for them to water down their product. There is too much competition from less shows such as Strikeforce while in the larger picture, they are competing against other sports as well. Most sports fans are not fans of one sport exclusively. Sports compete for the same dollar. If the UFC water down their product, they can expect to lose business.
by cyph on Jul 27, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess I’m not being clear—I’m talking about watering down the product from a serious fan’s perspective. Serious fans know that guys like Yushin Okami belong in the big show. If he disappears tomorrow, will the casual fan—the sort of fan that big PPV buyrates are built on—notice or care? With no competition (the scenario presented in the article would, I assume, disqualify Strikeforce as a serious competitor on the big stage), what’s to stop the UFC from lightening their payroll by getting rid of guys like this? The casual fan probably wouldn’t consider it “watering down.”
I’m not saying this would happen, necessarily, but I don’t think it’s out of the question.
by JRN on Jul 27, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let me ask you then, as a serious fan: are you willing to pay $45 for the PPV if you’re not getting your money’s worth? If you say no, then you have your answer.
by cyph on Jul 27, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s beside the point. Hardcore fans aren’t the ones turning out for PPVs in droves anyway. They’re not the primary audience.
by JRN on Jul 27, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So you’re basically saying casual MMA fans are dumb asses. Just because casual fans don’t know who everyone in MMA are, it doesn’t mean they’re sheep who will throw money to wind. Casual fans pay to watch their favorites fighters. Just because their favorite fighters are not guys like Yushin Okami (who many may have respect from hardcores, but not many would say he’s their favorite), doesn’t mean they’re willing to pay to watch crappy fighters.
Unlike most, I don’t have the same elitist attitudes as others. Casual fans are pretty knowledgeable in areas they’re interested in (UFC), they just have more pressing needs in life than to watch every single MMA fighter there are. =)
by cyph on Jul 27, 2009 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn’t say that casual fans are all dumbasses, nor am I saying that the UFC would come to consist entirely of crappy fighters. What I’m saying is much less dramatic than that: if they wanted to cut a legit, deserving fighter here and there when it suits them, they could do it with virtual impunity. The casual fan would never hear the screams of a thousand fanboys on the internet.
by JRN on Jul 27, 2009 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course not…but isn’t that like saying that because of the success of Transformers, movie studios are less likely to make movies like No Country For Old Men?
The job of being a hardcore fan/fanboy/elitist is to keep entertainment purveyors “honest” by levying fair criticism when warranted, so that as casual fans become better informed, they embrace the commonly-held beliefs of the more knowledgeable, rather than what the people selling their entertainment would have you believe.
I mean, if Anderson Silva, BJ Penn, and George St. Pierre got into a contract dispute with the UFC, and didn’t fight for a year, many casual fans would notice their absences, but without a closer attachment to the sport day-by-day, i.e., more than a “casual” interest, those fans would be far more susceptible to believing the Zuffa-centric version of the facts, a version that would tend to marginalize them and make them appear irrelevant. It happened with Randy.
Without Affliction, many American fans wouldn’t even know that there was some “Fedor” guy that the UFC should want to sign, and that his fighting Brock Lesnar would be a big deal.
by madiq on Jul 27, 2009 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really don’t know how many people Affliction educated about Fedor Emelianenko – their PPV buys were shit (one could argue that every person that bought those cards had seen either Sylvia or Arlovski fight before) and those NYC taxi ads were Gawd awful.
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by subo on Jul 27, 2009 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Finkie’s meal ticket?
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by ufc4 on Jul 27, 2009 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hereby propose that this be the last article that stupid ass picture of Dana White and Tom Atencio be used in. I don’t know why but that photo just gets on my nerves. All in favor?
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by ufc4 on Jul 27, 2009 2:51 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Aye.
The look on their facesmakes it even creepier.
A wise man told me don't argue with fools
Cause people from a distance can't tell who is who
by thetakeover on Jul 27, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t see the UFC cutting payroll to maximize profits. If you look at if from the vantage point of another sport, it would be the Colts cutting Manning or the Patriots cutting Brady, sure those teams might do ok without, but it makes the teams less interesting which, in turn, detracts eyes and dollars.
Plus if you dilute the fighter pool you end up with a situation very similar to that in which boxing finds itself. No household names, no faces of the sport, and most importantly you have no identifiable figures that you care to find out more about.
by Screwface on Jul 27, 2009 3:46 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think team sports is a good analogue here, and I’m skeptical about boxing too. Football has college, etc. acting as a widely watched source of new talent, and if I had to guess, I’d say the correlation between great playing and casual fan entertainment value is closer in team sports (though I’ll admit I don’t really know).
Boxing has been diluted by too many promoters and too many titles—not a problem if you have one organization acting as promoter and sanctioning body for title fights.
We’d be looking at one organization determining what MMA is and who is considered good for the vast majority of the audience. In other words, exactly what we have now, but more so. I can’t help but suspect that that privilege wold be abused.
by JRN on Jul 27, 2009 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whoops, by “too many promoters” in the second paragraph I meant to refer to the infamous alphabet soup of sanctioning bodies.
by JRN on Jul 27, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i understood what you meant
I just think that if you cut top-end talent and fill it with a bunch of mediocre talent that ýou’ll end up killing your promotion. Because you’ll still have your top 2 fighters in a division and then a huge drop off, or you end up with all mediocre talent in which everyone can beat anyone and you lose a fan’s rooting interest, whether you are rooting for someone to win or lose.
by Screwface on Jul 27, 2009 4:10 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
I’m not saying the UFC would cut all it’s top talent or anything like that. I’m saying they might deem it useful to cut a deserving fighter here and there, and as long as they didn’t go nuts with that privilege, the consequences would be virtually nil. And I think every time that happens, it’s a considerable loss for the sport.
by JRN on Jul 27, 2009 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree...
I think that would not only be devastating to the sport but the UFC as well. But there is only so much room. You can have 10 deserving fighters but the payroll for only 6 in any given weight class.
However, I feel Dana and the Fertitas know what it takes to present a good product and will keep themselves viable for as long as possible.
PS: Is it me or does a Fertita sound like something you’d get at Taco Bell at 2 in the morning?
by Screwface on Jul 27, 2009 5:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
I honestly don’t think fans should be the one’s responsible to make the decision, if you feel it’s worth the money, who cares.
I will proudly say that I had season tickets for the New York/New Jersey Hitmen. I knew it wouldn’t last, I knew these people weren’t very good at football, but I had 5 fun days with my dad and brother watching the shitshow.
by Phildo on Jul 27, 2009 4:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
They already have.
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by subo on Jul 27, 2009 5:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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