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Why Fedor will go to StrikeForce

If you're like me then you're probably wondering what Fedor is going to do next now that Affliction went down.However ,  if you're mature enough to just wait and see how things fold without trying to guess what will happen then you can stop reading (and seriously , what are you going in the mma community anyway this is what we like to do..).

I am going to completely rule out that Fedor will fight in Japan . Yes , the Japanese fans know him and some of them like him (Fedor was actually much less liked than Cro Cop and possibly even Barnett and Nogueira) , but we all sense that in the last phase of his career Fedor and his management are trying to break into the american market which is now the biggest in the world .

Therefore , only two options remains - the UFC and StrikeForce .

What hasn't been said already about Fedor fighting in the UFC - how many tears were shed and angry words written?  Some like to blame Dana White and his arrogant and disrespectful way of negotiating with a fighter who should get the respect of a handful of champions . Others would blame Fedor's management and their perpetual demand for co-promotion . I don't think there are 'good guys' and 'bad guys' in this story , just people trying to promote their interests the best they can . Fedor is tied to M-1 by ways of friendship (to longtime friend and business associate Vadim Finkelschtein) and by financial interests . I don't know the exact details but I can only guess that Fedor has some shares in M-1 and probably sees his future in M-1 as a promoter when he finally retires . Therefore one can conclude that Fedor's relationship with M-1 is very important to him and of course to M-1 who other than Mousasi don't own any star-caliber fighters . Fedor , almost entirely by himself made M-1's name if not famous then at least semi-known in the mma world . That is why the co-promotion demand is perpetual and one can esaily understand why M-1 insists on it - without Fedor they will go many steps back as a promotion . The only thing that can make M-1 (and Fedor) yield is serious , serious money - which I doubt the UFC will be willing to pay .

Another important factor we need to keep in mind is that in the UFC Fedor will be 'unprotected' - he may lose to Brock , and then get another tough fight (Shane Carwin for example) and lose that one too - and in the harsh reality of mma fighting he's now 'washed up'  (much like what happened to Cro Cop). After milking the money on the Brock-Fedor fight , the UFC will just use Fedor as they see fit . In M-1 however , Fedor will be protected - case he loses a fight rest assured he will get an easy opponent after the loss. This is very critical for a fighter's market value and career.

So why StrikeForce ? Rumors have it that StrikeForce offers Fedor between 500-700 a fight and complete freedom of co-promotion and fighting anywhere he wants . If the rumors are true StrikeForce is very serious and the initial money offer can only climb and climb in negotiatons . The UFC will never want to co-promote for obvious reasons , and in terms of compensating M-1 they will be willing to go only that far. Dana will probably try to give StrikeForce a fight but will eventually "lose" because of the co-promotion issue. And lets keep in mind that Fedor still has at least two more years of fighting (if he wants it) . He can always re-negotiate with the UFC , only that then probably as the  StrikeForce champion and much more familiar to american audience . We might see Fedor ending his career in the UFC when he exhausted all other options and when M-1 knows they can bank the final and best payday out of him . But until then - we might enjoy watching Fedor fighting Overeem , Werdum or Rogers on american T.V ...not that bad in my humble opinion.

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I am going to completely rule out that Fedor will fight in Japan . Yes , the Japanese fans know him and some of them like him (Fedor was actually much less liked than Cro Cop and possibly even Barnett and Nogueira) , but we all sense that in the last phase of his career Fedor and his management are trying to break into the american market which is now the biggest in the world .

not entirely true.. you can’t “completely rule out” japan just cause their management wants to break into the american market.

by Anton Tabuena on Jul 27, 2009 5:19 AM EDT reply actions  

I was going to quote the same thing. I’m also not sure Fedor wants to break into the American market. Maybe to promote M1 global here eventually, but in many ways affliction was offering the biggest pay days. If Japan would pay Fedor they would go back I think…The question is can they.

by SES 84 on Jul 27, 2009 8:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Fedor is not going to Strikeforce. There are no money matchups for him there, and more importantly, Scott Coker is a smart enough promoter to realize that he cannot afford Fedor and that he should not allow a co-promotion with the likes of M-1. After all, M-1 has done wonders for Monte Cox and Tom Atencio in the past.

No sir, Fedor won’t be signing with Strikeforce.

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by Brett Jones on Jul 27, 2009 7:11 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Not only can he not afford Fedor

You gotta pay the guy Fedor fights, too. Coker is smarter than this.

When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift

by Derek Suboticki on Jul 27, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

in the voice of Cartmen – naa naa naa naa naaa , youhooo hooo hoo looo – oost. I mean , I was right and ya’all were wrong . very mature of me , I know

by JoelMan on Aug 4, 2009 4:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

The freedom thing is not what the issue is.

The only issue is money. M1 and Fedor want all the freedom stuff so that they can jump at a big money offer if one comes up. Finkie doesn’t think that Fedor is worth 500k-700k a fight, and Coker doesn’t have the cash reserves to offer that has reported money and then throw all the extra shit that Affliction did at them, so I doubt 500-700k a fight total is enough to satisfy the Fink, he can definitely get more than that from Zuffa.

As for the copromtion with Strikeforce, I’m not sure why everyone is so sure they’d just do that. They copromoted with elite because Frank Shamrock screwed them by signing with elite while under contract with Strikeforce. It was part of a settlement, and was very much in Strikeforce’s favor because they got some of their shows onto showtime and probably didn’t have to pay much production costs. Then they copromoted with Affliction, that was pretty much Arlovski fighting on the card, Affliction getting to run a bunch of ads and promos during the card. It looked and seemed like they were paid a pretty penny to do it also.

What does all of that mean? Strikeforce has a history of copromotion, but only when things are extremely in their favor, and I don’t really see what M1 brings to the table that could help them. They have an arena, they have no problem selling it out. They have a better TV deal than M1. Except for Fedor, they have a better fighter roster than M1. Why would Coker copromote with M1? Affliction did it because they thought they were going to get Randy/Fedor, they thought that was their winning lotto ticket. There’s nothing like that for Strikeforce right now. There’s no reason for them to do it.

by Phildo on Jul 27, 2009 7:37 AM EDT reply actions  

How would that be any different

than M-1 letting Fedor fight for Strikeforce, with M-1 running several advertisements?

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by ElliotMatheny on Jul 27, 2009 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

If that’s what m1 wanted, that would be ok.

But where is m1 going to get the money for these advertisements? Where is M1 going to get the money to pay Fedor?

by Phildo on Jul 30, 2009 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Fink loves having the freedom to shop E-Fed to the highest bidder …. but he loves money more.

I just don’t see him taking $500K per fight when he could be making five or six times that amount in the UFC with a cut of the PPV. However, if FEG steps up and offers him a couple million guaranteed for a one-night only appearance NYE Dynamite, I could see him jumping at that.

by Steve4192 on Jul 27, 2009 9:43 AM EDT reply actions  

Also, with no athletic commission in Japan, FEG could make the Barnett fight happen. That sounds like the kind of thing they would do to get a ratings bump on NYE.

by Steve4192 on Jul 27, 2009 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

It must be nice for Fedor to have such a honest and pure manager as Fink, who is willing to leave millions of dollars on the table and risk tens of millions in future earnings. I bet Fink is looking Fedor in the eye right now and saying “Don’t worry Big F, M1 and I don’t need the 3 million plus paydays, let’s go fight Brett Rogers for half a mil. A loss might mean we never earn close to what we’ve been getting again, but that doesn’t matter. You cant put a price tag on our happiness or friendship. Besides, M1 is really kicking ass right now, we don’t need you to subsidize it. This fight money is nothing compared to the profits M1 is putting into your bank account.”

by Jahbulon on Jul 27, 2009 11:08 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Most are forgetting...

Coker and Strikeforce might not have the money, but that doesn’t stop SHOWTIME from butting their heads into the negotiations and shaking money at Fedor to headline a CBS card. It’s always a possibility that SHOWTIME come in and help out.

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by Leland Roling on Jul 27, 2009 11:29 AM EDT reply actions  

Why exactly would CBS/Showtime do this?

They have to be smart enough to realize that Fedor, while a great fighter, is not a draw in North America. CBS has already proven they aren’t too concerned with the integrity of the sport. They want ratings and the idea that Fedor = ratings is ludicrous. Some anonymous Russian dude, no matter how talented, is not going to bring them the numbers they want.

They would be better off paying John Cena or some other quasi-celebrity to make the switch to MMA and promote the hell out of him.

by Steve4192 on Jul 27, 2009 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fedor is has not proven to be a big PPV draw but it could be worth it for CBS/Showtime to put him on one Strikeforce card on CBS at a reasonable price to see what kind of ratings he could get on free TV. If he doesn’t draw a good ratings number then they can walk away.

by mattman73 on Jul 27, 2009 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Putting Fedor on a CBS card would pretty much be taken by Dana as a sign of war, Coker has done alot of good for himself by not being an enemy of the UFC I doubt he’s stupid enough to chance that for one fighter.

by Raker on Jul 27, 2009 4:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Why is putting Andrei Arlovski on a fight ok but putting Fedor isn’t ? Andrei is arguably as big as a draw as Fedor is . StrikeForce would be crazy not to take Fedor at a reasonable price , and besides Fedor’s management already said they have an offer from StrikeForce .

by JoelMan on Jul 30, 2009 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

The reasonable price is why this won’t happen.

Strikeforce got a very good price for Arlovski, 0.

m1 isn’t going to pay Fedor’s salary to co-promote with Strikeforce because they don’t have the money to do that.

by Phildo on Jul 30, 2009 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

if fedor goes to strikeforce dana will start looking at them as the next promotion he wants dead

by ldglass on Jul 28, 2009 5:52 AM EDT reply actions  

I still stand by my gamble

We need to wait a few more days but if the rumors of the UFC offer were true (30 mil , 6 fights) and Fedor still doesn’t go then I’m POSITIVE he’ll go to StrikeForce .

by JoelMan on Jul 30, 2009 3:31 AM EDT reply actions  

A bit of a correction.

Fedor could easily sign with Strikeforce and DREAM, and combined what he gets from both promotions in terms of flexibility and guaranteed money is probably a much better option for Fedor and M-1.

P.S. I don’t think your prediction is a gamble at all.

by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 30, 2009 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t either but if u read the comments most people thought StrikeForce is a definite no go , now it seems like it is .
The child in me still hopes for a UFC singing though …

by JoelMan on Jul 30, 2009 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

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