Antonio Silva Could Fight for Sengoku Heavyweight Title in December, Wants Josh Barnett
by Chris Nelson on Jul 26, 2009 6:08 PM EDT
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Antonio Silva gave Tatame some interesting news regarding the Sengoku heavyweight title picture on Sunday. Here's an excerpt (roughly translated by yours truly) from the post they've got up:
Pezão eyes title fight in Sengoku
Owner of three heavyweight championships (EliteXC, Cage Rage and Cage Warriors), Antonio "Pezão" [Silva] is training to return to Sengoku on September 23rd, and now has even more motivation to win. "I have two more fights in Sengoku, and, winning this fight... I'll fight for the title in December. They're going to create a championship and I'll fight for the title," said the American Top Team heavyweight, who is still without an opponent.
"I don't know who it could be, I don't have the slightest idea," he affirmed. But, given the choice, Pezão already has someone he'd like to see on the other side of the ring. "I'd like it to be Josh Barnett, since he won't be fighting in the United States. He has a contract with Sengoku and is trained, so who knows why this fight wouldn't happen," suggested the fighter, whose steroid suspension in the United States ends next week.
Word has been out for a minute now that World Victory Road have plans for a heavyweight mini-tournament, and last week we got confirmation that Silva would be involved in the title chase. With the fallout from the (*cough*) big news story this past week, it's looking more than likely that Barnett could be on the opposite side of the bracket from "Bigfoot," with both fighting in September and the title being decided at Sengoku's year-end "No Ran" show.
The good news is that it doesn't sound like Sengoku will be rushing Satoshi Ishii toward a belt anytime soon, but will instead move forward with their plans to build up the division as he (hopefully) develops into a true mixed martial artist.
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PEDs don't give you an advantage in cartwheels
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by ANance on Jul 26, 2009 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Roid Rage '09!
Battle of the juicers!
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by ufc4 on Jul 26, 2009 6:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I hope Sengoku is better than this.
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by subo on Jul 26, 2009 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm disturbed by how glib some people are when it come to steroids
by MMA_Messiah on Jul 26, 2009 6:28 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Sengoku tests for steroids
so they’ll be as clean as UFC fighters for this one.
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by Kid Nate on Jul 26, 2009 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How does the Japanese testing system work, is it completely run in-house by Sengoku?
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by Ubernoober on Jul 26, 2009 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I do not know.
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by Kid Nate on Jul 26, 2009 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes. If someone tests positive they are fined and/or given a suspension (not being welcomed back). They don’t disclose tests though
by gunranger on Jul 26, 2009 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So what you're saying is they could easily hide a positive test
Which is precisely why an athletic commission or similarly independent body is critical.
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by subo on Jul 26, 2009 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Still that is a very important step in Japan and shows that Sengoku is taking the issue seriously. Getting Japan as a nation to sanction MMA and create an athletic commission is something that would take a huge effort but at least having a organization take it seriously and test when they aren’t required to is a real start down the right path.
by who me on Jul 26, 2009 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
No
It means that Sengoku gets off light. They don’t have to publicize the tests. They don’t even have to do the tests. The occasional positive test – which carries with it no mandatory penalties and is completely at the discretion of the promoter – is awesome and hold the occasional offender accountable, but all this kind of voluntary testing does is obfuscate and diminish the need for real, true reform.
Sengoku deserves credit for what it’s doing, but to pretend it’s any kind of step toward what needs to be done is a little rich. If anything, it underscores the need for mandatory testing.
Think of a scenario where they have two fighters, both with positive tests, but one wants to resign and the other one wants to go to the UFC. Nothing stops Sengoku from publicizing one test and not the other.
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by subo on Jul 27, 2009 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s not the end product it’s just a step in the right direction.
by who me on Jul 27, 2009 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm disturbed
by how little people ACTUALLY KNOW about anabolic steroids.
IMO, if you’re a professional athlete, and have weighed the health risks, then using steroids should be perfectly legal.
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by ElliotMatheny on Jul 26, 2009 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why stop at steroids...as I fan I insist thay take all drugs regardless of consequences!
by MMA_Messiah on Jul 26, 2009 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anabolic Steroids,
HGH, EPO, etc. are all DRUGS (and not the psychoactive kind), and just like any allergy medication, Painkiller, antihistamine, and so forth, they have benefits and risks which need to be considered.
With the proper pre and post cycle treatments & hormone therapy, Anabolic steroids really have minimal health risks.
Saying that any drug is fine is just asenine, but when it has a practical application within the sport (like Anabolic agents do), then I don’t see what’s wrong with it.
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by ElliotMatheny on Jul 26, 2009 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
just like any allergy medication, Painkiller, antihistamine,
also drugs on the banned substance list.
by who me on Jul 26, 2009 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Totally disagree
I don’t want a sport littered with Ken Caminiti’s. I don’t want to tell my kids ‘yeah, I used to love watching him fight, he’d be my age today if his heart hadn’t exploded.’ The ‘do you want to be a fuckin’ fighter?’ speech does not need to be supplemented with ‘are you willing to deliberately shorten your fuckin’ life?’
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by subo on Jul 26, 2009 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
When used properly anabolic steroids have minimal health risks. You’re taking the case of someone who horribly abused them (and alcohol and cocaine) and applying it as a blanket case.
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by Mike Fagan on Jul 27, 2009 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then do it with a doctor prescribing it to you in response to an actual medical condition, and have it all declared before the fight happens. If a doctor doesn’t think you need it, you’re not allowed to use it.
If Mark McGwire, Sammy Sosa and Roger Clemens all drop dead at 50 you’re going to be whistling a different tune on this issue.
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by subo on Jul 27, 2009 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's
kind of a big risk.
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by ElliotMatheny on Jul 27, 2009 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
big IF*
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by ElliotMatheny on Jul 27, 2009 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Red queen's race
If people have to take steroids to be competitive they will, and they will die.
We’ll have 100 chris benoits in MMA.
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by Paynuss on Jul 27, 2009 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
If the athletic commission banned Twinkies from being in a fighter’s system before a fight and a moron went out and ate a bunch of Twinkies before he fought then he would deserve whatever punishment he got. Your opinion is fine and all but it has nothing to do with them being banned substances that all fighters know will get them in trouble if they test positive for. If you want to argue that the regulations should be changed then you would have a discussion on your hand but as long as they are on the banned substance list anyone who takes them deserves all the punishment they get, that point isn’t up for debate.
by who me on Jul 26, 2009 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tim Sylvia would DEFINITELY get suspended if Twinkies were banned.
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by ufc4 on Jul 26, 2009 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
False.
The athletic commissions shouldn’t be able to do testing on any other time than immediately before and after the fight. Any other time shouldn’t be within their jurisdiction.
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by ElliotMatheny on Jul 26, 2009 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why is that false (and what did that have to do with my point)? Getting your license as a fighter in a state is a agreement to abide by all athletic commission regulations and decisions (including testing scheduling). Fighters that apply for license accept and agree to all this before hand so the athletic commission has that right.
by who me on Jul 26, 2009 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's certainly one theory...
…but the reality of sports regulation suggests otherwise. Just ask any member of the pro cycling union how invasive things can get.
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by Sergio Non on Jul 26, 2009 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another big issue is how expensive they are. Even if they were completely good for you (which they arent, there are definately some health risks) it limits the ability for some fighters to compete based on whether or not they can afford drugs. It really doesnt seem neccessary.
by Rabbit915 on Jul 26, 2009 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, a joke becomes reality. Maybe.
If the positive tests have blown over by then (at least in Japan), this could be a solid start for WVR’s heavyweight division.
by An Old Friend on Jul 26, 2009 6:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Awesome
Throw Aleks in as an alternate too. Hell Sylvia tested positive once too, so there’s another fight.
4-Man Sengoku Super Steroid Disease Heavyweight Championship Tournament
by Sokonojudo on Jul 26, 2009 6:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
People are too quick to jump on the Antonio Silva conviction train. There are some serious questions about the judicial process that convicted him. Im still giving him the benefit of the doubt.
by Rabbit915 on Jul 26, 2009 6:39 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
+1
The way Silva has fought the CSAC’s ruling tooth and nail – even continuing to deny any wrongdoing long after the sentence was handed down and his appeal denied – combined with his pituitary(?) condition which would make it downright dangerous for him to take a steroid like Boldenone, really makes me wonder if he’s innocent. I won’t hold it against him.
by Chris Nelson on Jul 26, 2009 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know diabetics who eat eat and drink stuff that is dangerous to them…
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by ANance on Jul 26, 2009 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Steroids are dangerous for everybody.
by MMA_Messiah on Jul 26, 2009 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bullshit
sir.
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by ElliotMatheny on Jul 26, 2009 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
this is true
my son’s pediatrician is always trying to prescribe steroids for diaper rash and other assorted ailments. steroids have their uses.
FWIW my wife won’t let cortisone cream anywhere near his precious heiney.
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by Kid Nate on Jul 26, 2009 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is a misconception that steroids are illegal but they aren’t for the most part they are just like any prescription medication. They do have their many uses but there is also a reason they are on the athletic commission banned substance list too.
by who me on Jul 26, 2009 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ideally there would be some room for the use of steroids for legitimate medical reasons—quicker healing of muscle tears/strains, and so forth. Ditto for the use of allergy medication, psychiatric drugs, etc. Sadly, it’s very unlikely that any commission could consistently tell the difference between legitimate use and abuse.
by An Old Friend on Jul 26, 2009 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
INdeed
I was on and off of steroids for about 5 years when I was a kid/teen for Asthma.
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by Deo Wade on Jul 26, 2009 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My assertion was 100% true.
Yes, there are times when steroids are prescribed, but that does no make them any less dangerous.
I unfortunately will spend the rest of my life on steroids because I have Addisons Disease.
I wouldn’t suggest anyone take steroids (anabolic or otherwise) unless you are forced to.
by MMA_Messiah on Jul 26, 2009 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, so everyone who tests positive can fight tooth and nail, and you might side with them? What circumstances make his case different? Just the gland issue?
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by Leland Roling on Jul 26, 2009 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the CSAC regimen was so incompetent at the time
that the new commissioner decided not to test for several events rather than continue it.
That’s one big factor in Antonio Silva’s defense IMO.
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by Kid Nate on Jul 26, 2009 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes but Silva’s test didn’t revolve around incompetence of the testing org it revolved him saying he took Novedex as a defense but not being able to prove it at all. CSAC incompetence was one of Sherk’s complaints and has been a issue with several others.
by who me on Jul 26, 2009 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There were no serious questions about the judicial process at all his lawyer blew it at the hearing. His lawyer was the same lawyer that argued in front of CSAC that a drug test with questions about the chain of custody should be tossed out because it can’t be trusted during the Sherk hearing and then presented CSAC with a outside drug test on Silva with no chain of custody at all. They also stated that the reason he tested positive was because he was taking Novedex (a drug that warns on the box it will cause a false-positive for Boldenone)yet he did not provide any proof at all that he was taking it or had ever took it before. Maybe if he had been able to produce a container or a receipt for it or anything at all as proof beyond his word as to of taken that then it would of meant something but they provided nothing. Of course that story also contradicts his story about taking a clean drug test at a “mystery lab” after the fight too(how can you have a false positive caused by Novedex and a negative test right after it where the Novedex didn’t show up?). If you want to blame someone for what happened to Antonio Silva blame him and his lawyer for going to a hearing with no evidence at all to back up their claim.
by who me on Jul 26, 2009 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
All things considered, it isn’t a terrible fight.
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by Rundownloser on Jul 26, 2009 6:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The irony is delicious.
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by Mike Fagan on Jul 26, 2009 6:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
“the following is a 5 round steroid championship match sponsored by Steroid World, Steroid World, you’ll pretty much find whatever you need here”
by Nikolai_ on Jul 26, 2009 6:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Lumping Bigfoot in as a roider is unfair. He got suspended because of he didn’t declare his medication properly
Go Bigfoot.
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by Ubernoober on Jul 26, 2009 6:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Uh, he tested positive for steroids:
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by ufc4 on Jul 26, 2009 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, this was the link I wanted:
http://mma.fanhouse.com/2008/08/21/elitexc-heavyweight-champ-antonio-silva-tests-positive-for-horse/
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by ufc4 on Jul 26, 2009 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
By the way, that’s not to say it couldn’t have been a mistake or that he intentionally took them, that I don’t know, but he did test positive for them.
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by ufc4 on Jul 26, 2009 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The guy has a berzerk pituitary gland, roiding would kill him.
This is also the CSAC, the same comission that let an HIV+ boxer fight.
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by Ubernoober on Jul 26, 2009 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The UCLA lab does all the drug testing so it’s them if you want to blame. He still never said how Bolderone got in his urine, only that steroids could kill him. He needs to be more vigilant with his nutrition I suspect more likely.
by Sokonojudo on Jul 26, 2009 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It only started after Douglas came into power. The former lab was Quest. Quest still does their narcotic testing, but not PEDs.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 26, 2009 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ugh, I can’t keep all of these drug testing places straight. Does Quest also do NSAC? I’ve heard good things about the UCLA lab so I’ll give them more benefit but if Quest is the one who popped Giant Silva this gets more sticky.
by Sokonojudo on Jul 26, 2009 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He says Barnett won’t be fighting in America, but is that really true? Just because he’s not licensed in California doesn’t necessarily mean he’s suspended does it?
by George Lucas on Jul 26, 2009 7:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He’s not suspended but he doesn’t have a license to fight and I doubt anyone would give him one after this latest incident.
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by ufc4 on Jul 26, 2009 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would imagine that if he passes any drug tests they spring on him
that he should be licensed to fight.
I think its more likely that no U.S. promoter would want to risk that he’d pop again and ruin an event.
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by Kid Nate on Jul 26, 2009 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
After two positive tests? I would think Nevada would be unlikely to even allow him a fight.
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by ufc4 on Jul 26, 2009 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Barnett wasn’t punished for this test he was just denied a California license. He could apply for a NSAC license today if he wanted to.
by who me on Jul 26, 2009 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well of course he could apply for one, I’m not arguing that. What I’m saying is on the basis of two previous positive tests they could very easily deny him that license.
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by ufc4 on Jul 26, 2009 10:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
They would require him to re-test and probably make him jump through hoops but I don’t see where they would just outright deny him license. Have they ever denied anyone license for past positive test?
by who me on Jul 26, 2009 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Has anyone ever officially tested positive twice?
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by ufc4 on Jul 27, 2009 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think Silva is the most underrated HW in the world.. this guy is a top 5.. i hope he crushes barnett to prove it.
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by ekc on Jul 26, 2009 7:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Top 5 eh?
For losing to Eric Pele and only getting a split over an old Ricco?
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by JCS_FM on Jul 27, 2009 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Um, this. A lot.
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by subo on Jul 27, 2009 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They should add Roger Gracie and do a 5-man tournament!
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by BJJDenver on Jul 26, 2009 7:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What’s interesting is that C. Nelson translated the Tatame piece. I’m impressed as long as he didn’t just write whatever he wanted, because I’m too ignorant (and lazy) to know the difference. :) I’m positive the latter is not the case.
by Cannon Jacques on Jul 26, 2009 8:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He did a pretty good job on the translation.
by Viriato on Jul 26, 2009 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh i didn't notice that until you mentioned it..
i should learn to read more haha.. good job chris. :)
by Anton Tabuena on Jul 27, 2009 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let them use whatever drugs they want
crystal meth, PCP, whatever stuff Helen Hunt was on when she flew out that window in that after school special, painkillers, cocaine…
Just make sure there are men with cattle prods handy in case they escape their bonds
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by Paynuss on Jul 27, 2009 3:33 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
“Drugs are Bad”, “Jenny Eat Something”
If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.
by BJJDenver on Jul 27, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can’t realistically eliminate PED from sport . Two issues prevent this: testing dates are not random and the offenders can pay their chemists more than a sanctioning body pays their labs. Look at MLB and NFL. As long as improved performance = bigger contracts it’s always going to be a cat and mouse game of developing a new PED or masking agent w/ no current way to test for it.
The thing that really gets me is the people on these forums that think UFC fighters don’t use them. Like when Sean Sherk went for a jog after his last fight on the Vegas strip and wasn’t tested post-fight like many of the other fighters were. C’mon now, he was a known offender…probably good idea to test him.
This is America, pretty sure thanks to the NFL and MLB money we are the world leader in PED use and R&D. If I can pay more money, the guy that used to work at the Quest lab will come work for me and tell me how to get a passing test. It’s why you want an accountant that used to work at the IRS or a lawyer that used to work for the insurance company or whatever.
by Headkick on Jul 27, 2009 10:32 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Why wouldn't brazil be the world leader in PED use?
since they’re completely legal to abuse and easy to obtain there? Or one of the other countries where it’s the same way?
i mean, as long as we’re just speculating anyway and not using any kind of verifiable figures, you’d think one of the countries that treats them like candy instead of a controlled substance would have an edge
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by Paynuss on Jul 27, 2009 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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