What's Next for Josh Barnett and Why It Matters
Zach Arnold runs down the problems facing Josh Barnett in the aftermath of his positive steroid test and the collapse of Affliction:
- He lost a lot of money for the Fedor fight and a chance to solidify himself as the top heavyweight fighter in MMA.
This fight was probably one of, if not, the highest-paying fights Josh was ever going to get in his life. Whether you believe the figure is $300,000 or $500,000, that’s a lot of money to make for one fight. He’s not going to get that money anywhere else – not in Japan and not in UFC. ... What Barnett has to hope for is that there is still interest in Japan to book this fight on New Year’s Eve.- Casual fans will think that Barnett’s drug suspension brought down Affliction for good.
- Barnett’s image in Japan is that of a steroid fighter and he will have to deal with a culture that still values shame.
On August 9th in Tokyo at Ariake Colosseum, Barnett will be wrestling on Antonio Inoki’s show. There will be a lot of media writers .... Barnett can’t get away with issuing a ‘no comment’ because that will make it look like he’s hiding something or trying to run away from the heat. If he declares his innocence 100%, he’s still going to have to answer questions about how the Affliction fighters lost paychecks because of what happened. And if Barnett comes out and admits that he made a mistake and did in fact use steroids and apologizes to the Japanese fans, it might help his situation out but it would destroy his appeal in California.- Limited job opportunities and little leverage.
This is the big long-term problem Josh Barnett is facing. If he ever decides to eat crow and go to UFC, he’s going to have to take a deal where he may get $75,000 to show and $75,000 to win. He will never get a deal like the one he got in PRIDE or with Affliction, never. Plus, he would have no leverage in working with Dana White. He would have to do whatever Dana told him to do. That’s not really in Josh’s DNA.
Certainly Barnett has no one but himself (and maybe his black-market steroid connections) to blame for what has become of his career. He has been punished already and he will continue to suffer for his mistakes. This is only right. He's the goat of MMA and that's only fitting.
At the same time, those heaping derision on Barnett for his serious failures as a human being should take a moment to remember what an accomplished mixed martial artist he is. When someone like Josh Barnett does their best to flush their career down the toilet and shame their legacy, it's not just Josh Barnett the individual who loses, the sport and its fans lose too.
Sergio Non makes the case that Josh Barnett mattered and breaks out his greatest MMA bouts:
- vs Dan Severn: February 2000, Superbrawl 16.
- vs Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira II:December 2006, Pride Shockwave 2006.
- vs Aleksander Emelianenko: May 2006, Pride Total Elimination Absolute.
- vs Gan McGee:November 2000, UFC 28.
- vs Pedro Rizzo I:February 2001, UFC 30.
- vs Randy Couture:March 2002, UFC 36.
- vs Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira I:September 2006, Pride Final Conflict Absolute.
Other fights have more significance in MMA history, but for its drama within the ring itself and the technical artistry displayed, this semifinal bout of the Pride Open Weight Grand Prix 2006 is the greatest fight I've ever seen, without exception. There has never been a bout before or since from a major promotion that spanned the full range of mixed martial arts at such a high level from both participants.
His win in the eight man heavyweight tournament at Superbrawl 13 should also be mentioned. That tournament excited hardcore fans very much at the time as it established a sort of de facto American regional MMA heavyweight champion. Several of the small promotions that had arisen in the late 1990s sent their best heavyweights to contend in the tournament and the field was the cream of the crop of young American talent at the time. Some of the fighters went on to bigger and better things, some didn't but nonetheless, Barnett's victory over a field that included Heath Herring, Ricco Rodriguez, Bobby Hoffman, and Travis Fulton was a notable moment for Barnett and American MMA.
Barnett is also important because he is one of the rare heavyweights to be a true master of submission grappling. Only Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira, Fedor Emelianenko and Frank Mir can be considered his peers in that among heavies.
It should also be pointed out that Barnett has been one of the few active American fighters to study and understand the tradition of catch wrestling that is arguably the well-spring of all MMA. His knowledge of arcane submission holds and the hook and shoot traditions of legends like Billy Robinson, Karl Gotch, Billy Riley, Ad Santel, Ed "the Strangler" Lewis, the Great Gama and Georg Hackenschmidt.
His understanding of and respect for Japanese fighting culture is also virtually unique among American fighters. This is only fitting since Japanese wrestlers such as Antonio Inoki, Satoru Sayama ( Tiger Mask) and Yoshiaki Fujiwara have done as much as any living human beings to keep the traditions of catch wrestling alive.
Barnett's seeming willingness to seek illegal advantage in the ring has again brought shame on his reputation and hurt the sport. I hope that this time, he can be man enough to admit wrong-doing and work hard from there to repair his tarnished legacy because its a proud one.
Best of luck Josh, I for one will be rooting for you to do the right thing, now and for the rest of your career.
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It’s hard to list these as his greatest hits when he was popped for steroids after one of them (the Couture fight). The first fight with Big Nog is incredible, but how much of that was steroids-enhanced? Everything is thrown into doubt now. It’s like finding out your spouse cheated on you – you revisit your past, second-guessing the times they said they were honest, wondering if they really lied, and unable to trust their word in the future. No doubt, he has tons of technical acumen, and it will be missed, but he’s been blatantly caught twice, and another two more rumored times. I can’t bring myself to defend him or trust him again.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Jul 26, 2009 5:18 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I hope you don't think I'm defending him
I’m trying to assess how much has been lost through his bad acts.
I’m not going to close the door on the possibility that Barnett can redeem himself, just that its going to be very very hard to do.
On the other hand, I’m not going to suddenly discount his fights when there are other fighters that I suspect strongly to have been steroid abusers in their careers who skate on by.
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I meant by “defend” that I can’t in good faith look back on his clean-tested fights and say give him the benefit of the doubt, so to speak. He was caught here, left for unregulated Japanese MMA, and when he returns, gets caught yet again. Logically, I’m trying to be agnostic about the issue, but it’s too damn suspicious. The worst part is that his skill will be overlooked in light of the drugs – there’s no way you can almost submit Nog without some measure of talent.
Who else have you suspected of using PEDs? If you’d rather not say to prevent a shitstorm, I’d understand, but I’m curious.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Jul 26, 2009 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Barnett only does steroids when there is a chance of getting caught.
by Jahbulon on Jul 26, 2009 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
How about Vitor Belfort or Thiago Alves?
These are two guys who got popped once.
Who both have had periods where they suddenly added huge amounts of mass.
I basically assume that all fighters are using some sort of PED. If they weren’t caught, then they weren’t got and their accomplishments count.
And don’t even get me fucking started on GSP and greasegate.
How a guy can get all self-righteous when his corner was caught repeatedly greasing him up and it was so blatant the NSAC had to enter the cage mid-fight to get them to stop is beyond me.
Sure B.J. Penn is a whiny brat, but GSP was the one in the wrong in that instance.
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by Kid Nate on Jul 26, 2009 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nate always says what I want to say....
I'm like PacMan fightin you silly kids... throw ya Hatton the ring, and get knocked outlike Ricky did.
lol.
greasegate?
Run! Run! Run away!!!! Its back!!!!!
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Wow.
I disagree with every single thing you said. That’s rare
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 26, 2009 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought Alves was for a diuretic to help him cut weight?
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by ufc4 on Jul 27, 2009 9:48 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm not defending steroid use either, but...
as I note in the original piece I wrote, steroids didn’t teach him the techniques that made that fight memorable. You don’t learn kneebars and sweeps from a needle.
Sergio Non,
MMA writer, USA TODAY
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Isn’t this a rehash of the “steroids can’t make you hit a fastball” defense? Knowing techniques is not nearly as impressive as being able to execute them in competition. Steroids might not help with the former, but they sure as hell help with the latter.
by Jahbulon on Jul 26, 2009 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
steroids might not help you hit a fastball more often, but it definetly helps one hit it alot farther. sosa and bonds went from averaging 30 plus hr’s a year to averaging 60 year. that’s easy math.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 27, 2009 1:56 AM EDT up reply actions
i stated this on a fanpost, but ADMITTANCE would be a big key. we as fans seem to forgive atheletes who admit to their faults and take responsibility for them. then APOLOGIZE. fighters like stephan bonnar, chris leben, heremes franca and even big dummy (sylvia) all got popped but admitted to it and apologized, and where still able to fight and continue to be a pro-athelete (a big priveledge, imo). same as baseball, the guys who wont admit (bonds,clemens,sosa and big mac) are in the toilet. guys like giambi, a-rod, petite and man-ram admitted are were forgiven. manny is as popular as ever. josh should just be honest accept a suspension and fine, and then see what happens. jmho.
exactly
and remember because Josh failed his license re-application, he doesn’t even have to pay a fine or serve a suspension.
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He also doesn’t have a license.
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by ufc4 on Jul 26, 2009 5:39 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Well, lucky him?
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 26, 2009 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t see how his career can recover from this.
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he can still wrassle in japan right? they still don’t seem to care about ped’s in the pro-wrasslin, just like the americans don’t who are fans of the wwe.
I have no clue about wrasslin politics here or in Japan. As far as legit competition in Japan goes, his credibility there has taken a big hit. He also can’t be trusted anymore to be in a main event in the States because he could test positive again and ruin another event.
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Wrasslin' related quote
Antonio Inoki said that Barnett would be given a chance to fight on 8/9 in Tokyo at Ariake Colosseum for IGF. For a show that had little-to-no media attention going in, suddenly there will be a lot of focus by the media on Barnett. He will be answering a lot of questions.
From Fight Opinion
It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.
oh he'll be damaged goods
but could recover something. Maybe even a few more high profile fights.
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On that List
You should add in the OTHER TWO times he popped hot for Steroids.
This guy is garbage. His ONLY non-tainted win over a top fighter is a SPLIT DECISION over Nog… pathetic.
by Paradoxx on Jul 26, 2009 5:57 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
he wasn't tested in any of his PRIDE matches
And remember, before UFC 28 there was no drug testing in any of the fights so we can just assume that many if not all of the old school legends were roided to the gills.
Barnett got caught, that doesn’t make him the only sinner in the sea.
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and everyone in PRIDE
can pretty much be assumed to be drugged to the gills. Not just roids either, but pain killers and speed too.
Don Frye didn’t get both knees destroyed and keep fighting against Ken Shamrock just because he’s really tough.
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So what you’re really saying is you assume today’s fighters are doing PED’s at the same clip that they did before/without testing?
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 26, 2009 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I assume they've changed up their regimens
and hopefully there is little if any abuse of pain killers or stimulants on fight day.
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and don't get me started on the Brazilians in PRIDE
not so much the Nogueiras, but I strongly suspect Wandy, Shogun, Arona and Filho of using PEDs in Japan.
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Since we are going there, we shouldn’t forget about people in their mid forties performing at the highest level ala Clemons or Bonds.
Frank Shamrock too. They guy might as well have walked to the cage with a needle in his ass.
I really wanted to see if I could get your goat by throwing Frank Shamrock under the bus, but I guess you’re not biting, so I’d better retract what I wrote: I have no reason to believe that Frank Shamrock ever did steroids.
As for Randy, I’m not a fan of the witch hunts, but if accusations are going to start flying, I don’t think its fair to accuse some and ignore others based on popularity.
lol
If you’re going to go after Captain America — and I share some of your suspicions — you’d better build your case more carefully.
At least break up the trolling and the raising of serious questions into two separate posts.
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I don’t have the knowledge, ability, or desire to build a case against anyone, (especially Randy who is one of my favorites) but it is just so weird to me that every time one of these posts gets written, it is always “so and so put on huge amounts of muscle mass in a short time” and “so and so looks like he’s juicing” and “so and so looked like shit after coming from Japan”, but Randy’s name never comes up. I honestly didn’t want to mention anything, but I’m the type of person who always feels compelled to point out the 800 lb gorilla in the room.
It is funny that you would say:
If you’re going to go after Captain America — and I share some of your suspicions — you’d better build your case more carefully.
Why not say:
If you’re going to go after Thiago Alves or Vitor Belfort — and I share some of your suspicions — you’d better build your case more carefully.
What makes Randy special?
I guess I shouldn’t be surprised by it. If Tim Sylvia had beaten down Randy for 4 rounds and something like grease-gate happened, I’m sure we would have seen a fan response that was 180 degrees to what happened.
and Thiago and Vitor
have both served suspensions for testing positive for PEDs. Diuretics in both cases if i recall correctly.
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Hormone replacement?
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by ufc4 on Jul 27, 2009 9:57 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
After his stint in the WEC, I think Filho’s use is a given. Chute Boxe, probably, especially Shogun’s new doughy physique and Wandy’s drastic decline (though several bad beatings/KTFOs will also do that to you). Jeff Monson has also admitted to taking them in the past, though he says he cleaned up to avoid testing troubles.
I do think steroids are cheating, but how different is it from taking every legal supplement known to man? Instead of the whispering and fingerpointing, with the obligatory moral outrage at those who get caught, at times I just want to say, “Fuck it; legalize everything. It’s your health.” Probably not the best for the sporting world, but it eliminates the hypocrisy in it.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Jul 26, 2009 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd kind of lean in that direction
my ideal system would include full blood and urine testing at random throughout the year but without sanctions. The exceptions being things like painkillers and stimulants in your blood at fight time. That’s just too dangerous.
If fighters want to take the long term health risks presented by anabolic steroids, HGH, etc, I say let them, but let’s make it public so everyone knows what went into their achievements.
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Isn’t that already what MMA/boxing already is?
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by Scott C. Broussard on Jul 26, 2009 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions
MMA is a sport.
All sports are potentially dangerous…and they have rules to limit the danger.
Legalizing steroids is like legalizing loaded gloves.
don't put words in my mouth
I just think there’s no way to stop fighters from taking PEDs and that the danger will be best minimized by a maximum of transparency.
One would hope that the fallout of having to publicly acknowledge that you required PEDs to compete would prevent much of the drugging that goes on now.
Our current system does almost nothing to prevent abuse of PEDs or protect fighters health.
So get off your moral high horse before I call you a hypocrite.
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That was a question.
Anyone who truly advocates legalizing steroids has no respect for the fighters.
Should every fighter be subject to out of competition testing? Absolutely!!!
The solution is to improve the testing, not throw up our hands in defeat.
pfft
I’m not going to get political with you but that “zero tolerance” bullshit doesn’t work in any arena. Nor do tax payers care enough to invest the money in the testing regimen you propose.
Plus the really effective PEDs frequently are too new to have been banned yet.
You’re looking for easy answers and hand out blame and condemnation.
I’m looking to solve problems.
And don’t say I have no respect for fighters again. Consider that a warning. Next stop, the banhammer.
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by Kid Nate on Jul 26, 2009 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
If fighters want to take the long term health risks presented by anabolic steroids, HGH, etc, I say let them
I say stop them.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 27, 2009 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree
There has to be an attempt to stop the PED users or else it destroys the very essence of martial arts in MMA. I feel commissions are doing the best they can right now. Does it need improvement? Most certainly. But liked I said the use of PED’s needs to be monitored and stopped or else the sport become less of who is the best martial artist and instead more of who has the best chemist on their side.
by filipinomix2oo0 on Jul 27, 2009 1:34 AM EDT up reply actions
again I would like to see more monitoring of all fighters
for PEDS.
I think the public exposure will stop most of it in its tracks.
At the same time, I think its up to the fighters if they want to risk their health and that it really benefits no one to add a punitive regime into the mix because that creates a cat and mouse game that no one wins.
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I thought I remembered hearing that Meltzer insinuated a heretofore unmentioned, well-known Pride dude had used. But I can’t find any record of it online (stupid newsletter), so I probably shouldn’t say who I thought it was in regard to.
The point is: it’s not a name you would have expected. For that matter, who expected Royce Gracie to test positive, or Hermes Franca? I’d bet a pretty high percentage of steroid use is actually to speed injury recovery (which, if under legitimate medical supervision, might not be a bad thing per se; it just opens a can of worms). So the people using aren’t the ones who you might expect.
by An Old Friend on Jul 26, 2009 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t really see what “the right thing” is for him at this point. He fubar’d Affliction before we could get an awesome third card out of them, F’d the fighters out of their paydays and for what? To be made a laughingstock.
by Cory Braiterman on Jul 26, 2009 6:10 PM EDT reply actions
the right thing is to admit he did it
and God help him if he really is innocent because no one will believe him now.
If he sticks to his claims of innocence then fuck him.
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I like his style, I like the fact he is a HNK geek like me, I rooted for him against Nog and CroCop. I enjoy seeing him fight. He fucked up and he got a really bad karma right now, but he can still put up a good fight so I hope I get to see him compete again.
You don't look like a Tanaka.
and let's not forget
that two of Cro Cop’s wins over Barnett are tainted — one my Barnett dislocating a shoulder and the other by an eye poke by cro cop. Not that that matters a great deal except when Dana White writes off Barnett because Cro Cop “kicked his ass three times”. No he didn’t.
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No, but he did kick his ass once. Gloriously.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 27, 2009 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Barnett has done well for himself monetarily, considering that he managed to land a big-money contract with Affliction for fights with Yvel and Rizzo that didn’t sell a single ticket or PPV buy. Assuming he also made good money with PRIDE and in his pro wrestling gigs, as long as he has been smart with his money he should be fine on that end.
"His knowledge of arcane submission holds and the hook and shoot traditions of legends like Billy Robinson, Karl Gotch, Billy Riley, Ad Santel, Ed "the Strangler" Lewis, the Great Gama and Georg Hackenschmidt."
any interesting books or even web articles on this subject? never really heard those names before.
They’re professional wrestlers, though many of them also have amateur backgrounds. Brookhouse wrote an article dealing a little with Hackenschmidt and a different Gotch (Frank) here. Karl Gotch is an especially important figure in Japan; I think he’s the one who taught shoot wrestling to that first generation of Pancrase stars. Maybe even Ken Shamrock? Can’t quite remember.
I don’t know of any books on the subject, though I’d be interested if there were. I think there’s a Lou Thesz autobiography out there, but I don’ t know if it’s still in print.
by An Old Friend on Jul 26, 2009 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions
“The Story of Pro-Wrestling”
Takes it from the end of the US Civil war to the 90s
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It should be back to normal after 101 when Andy thrashes Forrest.
Look for subo to be rocking a Kansas City Chiefs logo after that one.
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ha! that was actually meant for “an old friend”. i can’t, as a reluctant card-carrying sabres fan, endorse sens (OR LEAFS) fandom :)
As a dude who spent his first 23 years in the South, I don’t really understand hockey (or any sport that involves snow or ice). But I’m glad to know there are other 13th Floor Elevators fans here.
by An Old Friend on Jul 26, 2009 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Silva's going down in a heap
At least you didn’t ask me to do a Raiders logo
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 27, 2009 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Fuck the Raiders
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by ufc4 on Jul 27, 2009 10:04 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
here's a few pieces I've written
Really Old School: Judo vs Catch Wrestling 1921.
MMA History Part III: More About Japan — this one goes into how MMA evolved in Japan out of the increasing fascination with catch wrestling on the part of a generation of Japanese pro wrestlers in the 1970s and 1980s.
MMA History XIX: The Humbled PRIDE of Nobuhiko Takada — more on the same topic.
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also
see this piece by Jordan Breen: “Ad Santel and Catching Our History”
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A couple questions
1. Is it possible for Barnett to secure a fight with Fedor anywhere in the near future, whether in the U.S. (prior to any suspension kicking in) or overseas?
2. If so, assuming that Barnett beat Fedor, would the UFC pick him up? I would have to think yes, Barnett’s tarnished image notwithstanding. I mean, I myself don’t find much value in MMath, but it seems that Dana does— at least when it comes to pointing out the flaws on the resumes of his rivals (whether promotions or individual fighters). Therefore, if he cannot get Fedor (and I do not believe Fedor will ever fight in the UFC, the next best thng he can hope for is that Fedor loses, and the UFC picks up the guy who picks Fedor off.
Th single best was for Barnett to save his image is to turn himself from the guy who giot nabbed on multiple occassions for steroids, or the catalyst to Affliction’s self-implosion, to the guy who beat Fedor. (And wherever this fight takes place, he HAS to (a) be tested AND (b) come back clean.
Barnett and Fedor could still fight in Japan, I believe Finkie even said something to that effect. Would the UFC pick up Barnett if he won? I dunno, I guess they could but that would pretty much be considered a tainted victory and they have already run Barnett off once after his first steroids incident so is it worth the risk of him getting popped again? Not to me it isn’t but crazier things have happened.
P.S.- try the preview button before posting next time it helps you catch a lot of those typos so your post sounds clearer
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by ufc4 on Jul 27, 2009 10:11 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, fuck Josh Barnett for what he did...
but when you get down to it, there are still some fun fights out there to be had featuring Barnett: Fedor, Brock, Randy. I don’t have to like what he did in order for me to root for him to succeed so I can see some more kickass fights…
I guess my point was that assuming he could secure a fight with Fedor in the near future, Barnett still holds the key to his own destiny.
kid nate, you talk about how accomplished josh barnett is as a mixed martial artist, and i do agree that he does have a very impressive record
however, after 2 positive tests, there is no way to remove a cloud of doubt over those past victories, and his record as a mixed martial artist will always be tainted
I think what’s worse is that this man hasn’t owned up to any of it so far. Instead of admitting to it the first time, he runs to Japan for a few years where this absolutely no testing. Admission of guilt right there? I think so. Then this guy has the gall to actually get caught again in America. Maybe if he admits his wrong doings and apologizes, his legacy can be saved, but I don’t think his ego will allow him to admit it.
by filipinomix2oo0 on Jul 27, 2009 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree
that was the entire point of my post. That when a fighter’s entire record is thrown into question by repeated failed steroid tests we all lose because its not just the fighter’s future career that is damaged, but all of his accomplishments.
Saying something is a tragedy doesn’t mean you excuse the person at fault.
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…have done as much as any living to keep the traditions of catch wrestling alive.
Wrestler? Man? Human being?
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